At least the team payroll is down from last season!
by Nick-YF on May 8, 2009 at 6:59 am in
General Yankees · 20 comments
it costs less money to stink this year
dc May 8, 2009 at 8:52 am
The other big difference between this and last year: our bullpen stinks this year.
Oh, and we’re in a worse ballpark.
IronHorse May 8, 2009 at 8:58 am
Wow, old name, haha.
I rather like the ballpark, though the shortcomings are obvious. I’ll get used to it..
Lar May 8, 2009 at 9:29 am
“our bullpen stinks this year.”
Not really, right now it does, but give a “healthy” Bruney and Marte the benefit of the doubt. Like I said yesterday…like it or not those two were slotted as the BP’s set up men. Losing BOTH set up men to injury is enough to send any bullpen into a tizzy.
I love the new ballpark, there are a few things I’d change, but all in all I love the new place. It’s playing small in Right, but you just have to deal. The HR hit to left last night to put them ahead (prior to Mo blowing it) would have been out of any park.
John - YF May 8, 2009 at 9:49 am
Well it’s nice that Cashman went out and spent money on elite position players and the starting rotation. But then he surrounded them with a bunch of AAA players on the bench and the in the bullpen. I know we have half a dfozen fairly key hurt right now, but come on Albaladejo, Gardner, Pena, Aceves, Cervelli, et al are simply not major league players.
Mark _YF May 8, 2009 at 9:59 am
Lar, the b-park still has me fuming a bit. It has already been covered by others here, but my feeling of it is that everything having to do with access, mobility, and comfort is good (big concourses, more leg-room, better and more food options, more bathrooms and therefore fewer lines, etc.) but that virutally everything having to do with baseball-watching experience (other than the beautiful hi-def jumbotron) is worse. What are affordable seats for many have been significantly moved back (as much as 20 rows from where the middle and upper tiers started plus shallower slopes making the furthest seats from the action much worse than they were in the old stadium) and this makes for a more distant and dispersed feeling and prevents the great “walls of sound” when the place erupts because you no longer have the feel of a virtually vertical gathering of fans close to the action. The freaking impenetrable moat around the field-level seats is so reminiscent of the curtain between first- and economy-class seating in airplanes that it just hammers home the have and have-nots feeling of the place.
And I guess if I am being honest with myself, I am also angry at allowing myself to swallow the hype and to pay just under 4 times what I payed for my partial season-ticket package in previous years for seats that are both significantly further from the action and on days (Mon/Tues/Wed) that I did not want but was told I’d have to take or get nothing.
I am not re-upping for next year. and for what it is worth, I think the problems they’ve had filling the place this year will only get worse next year, because I think a lot of people feel the way I do. Now that they know what they are getting for hugely increased prices – they are going to opt-out next year and only buy tickets for specific games rather than packages.
IronHorse May 8, 2009 at 9:59 am
Well you and I don’t agree IH. I have been to 4 games thus far and I have a 12 games package as well.
Game #1, I sat 5 rows behind the foul pole. $90. Great seats, affordable and very comfortable.
Game #2, I sat in Section 234. That’s 3rd base side, second tier, roughly row 15 or so. Those seats were $100, that much I didn’t understand considering we were second level, so I will agree there might be an issue pricing wise. Seats are also smaller and lot less leg room than 100′s.
Game #3, same as game #1.
Game #4, I sat in “My Seats” in the bleachers. Seats cost me $12. It’s an absolute steal! Last season I was 3 rows from the top of the stadium, now I am in the bleachers and I see everything and get full access to the stadium.
I have NO complaints. I have been with friends, I have also been twice with my wife. There is a ton to see, do and eat. Sure it’s more of a “Mall-Park” as someone said, but keep in mind not everyone loves this game like you and I. It’s also far more family friendly which makes me extremely happy being that I have 2 boys that I would have never dreamed of bringing to the old place. There are stands that sell kids food, there is a “Stroller Area.” All things we would have never seen in the old place. I guess it’s all relative to your needs, but I love the new place.
As for the bench, it’s weakened due to injury. No team could have been expected to be prepared for losing 2 catchers, both set up men, etc…Sure Cash could have built a slightly stronger bench in terms of backup infielders, but after that you have to take injuries into consideration and allow some wiggle room.
John - YF May 8, 2009 at 10:22 am
And if you went back to last years yankee comments, you’d get the same running discussion. “It’s early, and there have been injuries.” That’s what was said last year, that’s what’s been said this year. Of course, it got too late last year for anything to be done. Boston played with an unrecognizable lineup last night and didn’t miss a beat.
“Sure it’s more of a “Mall-Park” as someone said, but keep in mind not everyone loves this game like you and I.”
Haha. So it was built for the “I kinda like baseball if there’s nothing to do” crowd? Great job. But the mall comparison is apt. Big, impressive, soulless.
james May 8, 2009 at 10:31 am
James, I am not telling you how to feel. If you’d like to panic, by all means panic. My approach is that this team when healthy will improve. This isn’t 2008, the Yankees have a much improved pitching staff, there aren’t days we have to trot out Sir Sidney, or Dan Giese, etc…CC will improve, Burnett will get better and so on down the line. Last year’s team had no starting pitching depth, this team does. That’s the difference and the main reason I keep hope alive. But if you’d like by all means panic away. As for Boston, you are only proving my point…they are getting sick SP’ing right now, Nick Green or no Nick Green, you can win games when your starters have been as good as the Sox.
Nothing the Yankees did was going to make everyone happy. I coach the game, I play the game, I watch just about every game, I love the game. I am not a casual fan, BUT I understand why they had to make some concessions to include and make the casual fan comfortable. Nothing will replace the feeling you got in the old place, but it was small, antiquated and not for the casual fan. If you don’t like the new place, don’t go. For me, I like it and I don’t have any issues as of yet. That’s my opinion at least.
John - YF May 8, 2009 at 10:38 am
In other news…According to MLB Trade Rumors the Orioles are shopping Ryan Freel. He’s the kind of guy the Yankees bench can use. He can run, he plays multiple positions, he’s not 100. All things this team could use.
John - YF May 8, 2009 at 11:40 am
Separating the two issues here (how good/bad are the ’09 Yanks) and how good/bad is the new stadium:
1. I agree with everything you say John about the quality of the team. I was just spouting off about the bullpen stinking. A line-up that includes A-Rod and a pen that includes at least one if not both set-up men should help considerably. Will it help enough to win or at least seriously contend for the division title through Sept? Don’t know, but I agree with your call for patience here.
2. On the stadium, we do disagree on a few points, but it is also helpful to see your reaction based on where you sat. I have only been to 2 games and they were both in “my” seats for the season. I much prefered my pair of $12/each bleacher seats to in the old YS to my $45/each “terrace/foul pole” seats in the new YS. I prefered my Saturday package to the Mon/Tue/Wed package they offered and ultimately gave me. If I were in $12 bleacher seats I think I might feel very differently though I’m not sure I’d like the fact that the RF bleachers are now pushed back from the field considerably compared to the old stadium, but I haven’t been down there so don’t know if you really feel the difference as much as I imagine I would. I totally agree that it is more family friendly and when my two kids are old enough to go, I can see appreciating that very much. But based on where I am now (not going with family, just wanting to be close to and easily see the action, not wanting to pay exorbitantly for it, and having the day/location package I now do), I am unhappy and don’t plan to re-up.
IronHorse May 8, 2009 at 12:11 pm
I understand IH, trust me I am getting it from all angles. My PSL for the Giants was $20,000! I have had the same seats since I was a Fresh in HS, I am now 33. 45 Yard line, 14 rows behind the Giants bench. Even if I could afford the $20,000, my tickets per game are $775 per game. So it’s not just the Yankees, it’s the Giants too. It’s upsetting because I am going to have to give my seats up, but in the same breath it will make me enjoy this season that much more.
In comparison, I am going to Philly on September 12th to see the Mets play. I am sitting in ROW 1, right behind the dugout, so on the dugout really and the tickets cost me $50 face value. Things are crazy, but it seems like it’s just the NY teams. That same ticket in Yankee stadium or Citi Field would be how much more?
John - YF May 8, 2009 at 12:23 pm
I’m too emotional drained to really chime in…I just hope I am totally wrong and this team turns it around.
krueg May 8, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Hey, at least the Scranton Wilkes-Barre Yanks are pulling their weight – 20-5 with multiple .300+ hitters (Jackson, Rodriguez, Linden, Nunoz). Maybe we should just swap them out with some of our major leaguers…
IronHorse May 8, 2009 at 1:44 pm
We would have to trade all our over-the-hill, overpaid, sorry-ass players first…we are the laughing stock of baseball. Deservedly so. I don’t even want to watch tonight…
krueg May 8, 2009 at 1:55 pm
I fall somewhere between your jump-out-the-window frustration Krueg and John’s Zen-like attitude summed up by his appeal: “patience”.
On the one hand I think we are better than our record. We’ve had some strange and unfortunate bounces and have lost at least 4-5 games that really felt to me like they could have easily gone the other way.
The disappearing act of Wang, the struggles of Teixeira, and the injuries to A-Rod, Nady, Bruney, Marte, Posada, and now Molina are all things that I don’t see as permanent conditions (with possible exception of Nady – news of him is hard to come by lately). I think the line-up and bullpen especially should improve as some of these guys return.
At the same time, this is – as Francesa has droned on about lately – the reality of aging teams, and that is undoubtedly what the Yankees are. Damon, Jeter, Posada, Mariano, Matsui, Molina, and Pettitte are old or are quickly getting there and it shows – especially when you play teams with more productive and steady streams of young talent than you have – which describes pretty much every team we play these days. You can’t look at our situation at catcher and not think of the age factor.
So I don’t think we suck, but I also think our problems run deeper than a bad spate of injuries. Whether that adds up to making the post-season in ’09 I don’t know. But to bring things back full circle, my season ticket package will REALLY have not been worth it if the answer to that question is “no”.
IronHorse May 8, 2009 at 2:44 pm
I haven’t been to the new Yankee Stadium (I was in NY recently for a couple of days and was tempted to try to find tickets, but didn’t end up having time), but regarding the team itself, I think the real worry isn’t so much what the team can do when healthy but whether the team will be fully healthy again.
For instance, you have Posada going down now (and Molina, which makes for a pretty awful situation, but even a healthy Molina is terrible), but there’s no real guarantee that he’ll stay healthy even when he comes back. Two of your biggest producers right now are Damon and Matsui, neither of whom can be counted on to stay healthy. And who knows if A-Rod’s hip will flare up again.
On the other hand, you know Tex will hit eventually, your bullpen woes should subside a bit when Bruney comes back (assuming this is just a blip for Mo) and your starting pitching will be very strong.
When your team is all healthy, it’s an excellent team – the question is, how much of the year can it be healthy? That’s the real risk with an aging team like this, and I think the biggest advantage the Sox have over the Yankees this year – our team has more depth and ability to deal with the inevitable injuries that come with our rosters (well, that and our bullpen is just better even when yours is healthy).
Micah-SF May 8, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Wait, there is something wrong with the Yankees? What, exactly?
SF May 8, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Your core point re: age undercutting health is – I think – exactly correct.
One of your sub-points I would take issue with:
“even a healthy Molina is terrible”. The guy is a superb defensive catcher, pitchers love throwing to him, and he had the highest or second-highest caught-stealing percentages in the majors last year (don’t have time to look up the exact stat but it was in the high 40s percentage-wise). Is he poor at the plate? Yes. But he is a better option than most back-up catchers in the league and some of the starters too. Having said that, the starting catcher’s age and his age make for a very tenuous existence behind the plate, which is exactly what we suffer from right now. Cervelli, who hey brought up to fill the void was batting .190 (IN AA!). Ugh.
IronHorse May 8, 2009 at 3:23 pm
That’s true, I’m not giving Molina enough credit as a defensive catcher (and god knows the Sox could use him in that regard, after the Crawford debacle). But he was truly atrocious at the plate last year, and he really is a significant drop-off from a healthy Posada (as are most backup catchers from their starters, really).
But yeah, the fact that both of them are prone to injury is worrying; Cervelli is an unacceptable option.
Micah-SF May 8, 2009 at 3:31 pm
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