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Just saw the video. Great moment.
Mariano threw down the gauntlet re: Jeter going after Rose. I don’t know. Multiple commentators are pointing outt hat Jeter reached this hit-mark at an earlier age than did Rose, but can Jeter keep it up for as many as 10 more years of health and relative productivity? Hard to imagine. Then again, it was probably hard to imagine Rose going that far when he had “only” reached the 2700+ mark and the way he played the game certainly wouldn’t have led many to predict longevity into the mid-40’s for him. Wherever Jeter ends up, it has been -and continues to be – a lot of fun following his career and rooting for the team he’s on.
Well done, Mr. Jeter.
I hope he doesn’t go for 4,000 hits…he never seems to care about individual records so if he can get another ring or two, he should just retire while he is still on top rather than pulling a Jordan or Favre and sticking around too long.
i don’t think he has the narcissism to go for/reach rose. the question is how high on the hit list does he go? 3000 seems a lock barring catastrophic injury. can he make the top 10? he’d have to get over 3300. certainly plausible, but that’s still a lot of hits.
worth noting that next year he should pass griffey as active hits leader.
also, incredible that irod is actually above the 2700 plateau as a career c, nevermind the ped rumors.
While admittedly a SF, I do agree with radio commentators such as the Mad Dog that this “milestone” is really Yankee-only news… that team records are for fans of those teams, and that the extent to which this has been built up into some staggering achievement is mostly testament to the Yankee franchises p.r. machine.
2,700 hits are nothing to sneeze at, even if about 2,000 of them are singles, and the guy doesn’t walk a lot. But it’s hardly Hank Aaron passing Ruth for home runs, which is what you’d think had happened based on the tenor of the news lately. Heck, off the top of my head, I’d have to pause a moment to recall the all-time Sox hit leader (Yaz), which shows how important such stats are even to diehard fans. If someone were to become the new all-time Red Sox hit leader, would this mean much of anything to non-Sox fans, if the number did not also have some significance in the broader A.L. or M.L.B. record books?
What I can appreciate about Jeter is that he has stuck with one team his whole career. That is rare, and that is why he reached this point. But let’s remember: There are more than 50 MLB players with more career hits than Jeter, some of whom few but the biggest stat geeks have ever heard of.
Soon enough Jeter will pass Luke Appling, Zack Wheat and Jake Beckley on the all-time MLB list. Will these milestones make SportsCenter or the front page of the Daily News?
I disagree with a couple points Hudson. Has this story gotten more national coverage than it would have if it were happening with any other player on any other team? Yes. Is that all about yankee organization pr? No. Like it or not – and I know this can be an enduring source of annoyance to yankee-haters – it is the most successful franchise in sports measured by both championships won and by its uniquely deep collection of iconic greats in its past. The accomplishment therefore has “significance to the broader AL or MLB” because the Yankee organization has a greater place within the sport than- say – the Milwaukee Brewers, or arguably any other team. Would some news or sports program cover this story simply for that reason even if they didn’t receive a press-realease from the Yankee pr machine? Certainly. And I believe that’s largely what happened here rather than the Yankee organization driving this story.
We all know that the Yankees are shameless self-promoters as are all sports franchises. But the yankees have enough history that much of their pr is done for them. For a Boston fan, I’m sure you could appreciate that it wouldn’t be strictly a local Boston story if a Celtics player with more than a decade of pristine image and multiple championships during an age of sullied reputation for the NBA were closing in on Havlicek’s franchise-career points-total record, even though breaking that record would only place him 8th among all NBA players. Part of the reason it would be a bigger story than the breaking of the franchise-points-records for all but a tiny handful of other NBA franchises is that the Celtics hold a similar place in the NBA (in terms of championships and historic icons) to the Yankees in baseball (though they get more competition from the likes of the Lakers than do the Yankees from any other baseball team).
I also think it is hyperbole to say that the Jeter story got as much attention as aaron passing ruth would get if it were happening today. We did not have cut-aways from regularly scheduled programming to each potentially-record-breaking at-bat and sportsceneter featured it as a top story, but Baseball Tonight didn’t dedicate nights of coverage in the lead-up to the record or an entire special to it upon the achievement.
Lastly, if 2721 is nothing to sneeze at then I wonder what the point of “even if more than 2,000 of them are singles” is. It’s frankly irrelevant. I don’t think any less of Ty Cobb’s 4,189 hit mark because over 3,000 of those were singles. Or Ichiro’s accomplishments for that matter. Baseball is a game full of stats and Jeter broke an important hits mark, not an OBP or slugging mark. There are leader-lists for those as well of course if that’s what interests you.
The next time Hudson makes a positive commment or compliment about the yankees or one of their players will be the first time. How anyone can find a way of seeing the “downsides” of an achievement such as this is beyond me.
larry bird isn’t the celtic’s career scoring leader?
learn something new every day.
ps: i don’t think passing that would be news anywhere outside of boston, ih, and there are some habs fans who will probably argue with you vis-a-vis franchise, but whatever. it’s a spectacular awesome brilliant wonderful milestone but the yes folks have definitely overdone it.
Agreed re: YES YF, but they are a NY regional network, not a ntnl one.
Who are the habs?
Habs are “Habitants” …….literally “homeboys”……. aka Canadiens
i said this the other day for a couple of other regular jeter detractors on this site, so let me remind you again…jeter didn’t pass joe bumhug everyday player for the bumbledoodey palookas….he passed lou gehrig…let me repeat that for the sox fans, and apologetic yank fans who tiptoe around sox fans, lou freakin’ gehrig, for the all time yankee, let me repeat that for the sox fans and apologetic yank fans who tiptoe around sox fans, the all time yankee record for most hits…that’s not trivial no matter how some of you wish it were…that’s what makes it news…by most accounts, gehrig is not only considered one of the most respected and beloved baseball players, but one of the best…in most polls he ranks in the top 20 of all time…the sporting news poll of top 100 had him at #6…some of the sox fans have been gracious…sf…about jeter’s accomplishment…some yankee fans…yf…have been strikingly indifferent to the feat…
While I don’t share your annoyance with YF dc (after all, he did describe Jeter’s feat as a “spectacular awesome brilliant wonderful milestone”), I do v much appreciate the point re: Gehrig, which I should have made. Gehrig is a heroic and iconic figure in the national past-time and much of the hype is also attributable to that.
thanks IH, i don’t mean to pick on yf…i’m sure that as a baseball historian he fully understands and appreciates the significance of lou gehrig, not only for the yankees tradition, but for all of baseball…to be fair, i don’t have access to the yes network, so i didn’t get to see the extra icing they put on this one, so yf may have a point…i differed with him on the significance of tying the record…i also disagree with the notion that espn or other outlets [except i'll concede probably yes network] have overplayed this moment…for sure this got some attention by espn, particulary since they had the rights to the game where jeter tied the record…but i don’t understand the debate that determines how much is too much…too much for one fan might be just right for another…that’s why God put mute buttons and channel changers on the remote…espn is too preoccupied with college football, brett favre, other pre-season football “news”, tiger woods, and other stuff to be too heavy handed with it…at least they took time out yesterday to pay homage to michael jordan…my beef is more with non-yankee fans [and i've been careful not to insinuate all fans of a particular fan base are doing this], who seem, yet again, to be going out of their way to tortuously diminish everything jeter does…that to me smacks of bitterness and jealousy…another slant on this story is that baseball needed a feel good story after seeing more and more high profile ped users outed and their records come into question over the past year or so…so far jeter has been above all that, and he’s given us no reason not to think he deserves the benefit of the doubt, and while his comments may be too bland for some, he does always seem to say and do the right thing…no, he didn’t break aaron’s homerun record or pete rose’s hit record, which explains bud selig’s appropriate silence, and the fact that there were no congratulatory phone calls from the white house…that we know of…to me it was more telling to see the reaction of the players in the opposing dugout when he got the hits [rays and orioles]…joe maddon said that he was happy for jeter, adding that “He carries himself in a manner that’s worthy of passing Gehrig.”…kevin youkilis was reported to have said of the time he spent with jeter in the wbc that he was one of the best teammates he’d ever had…peer recognition is where it’s at…
Amazing that Schilling says it best.
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