Compare him to Barry Bonds all you want, but that’s wrong. Head here and do some good, just like Curt.
And here, too.
by SF on April 28, 2005 at 9:54 am in
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And he’s also very nice to his mom. And he likes puppies.
YF April 28, 2005 at 10:22 am
I’m pretty sure he doesn’t beat his wife, at least he hasn’t been arrested for it. I ain’t saying he doesn’t do some good things, but many people support charities, and most of them have the class to be gracious, not toot their own horn, and keep their pie-hole shut.
Joe in NJ April 28, 2005 at 10:28 am
I heard he sets aside an hour the second Sunday of each month to pick daisies. What a sweetheart!
And Barry has the “Family Fund”, I guess that makes him a good guy also. http://barrybonds.mlb.com/players/bonds_barry/about/foundation.html
That is when he isn’t lying to the a grand jury about steroid use. I heard Greg Anderson is the CFO of the Family Fund. Finances must be on point!
Hammy April 28, 2005 at 10:45 am
Hmm. Let’s see, who are the dickheads here? The guys who actually work their asses off for charity (and there’s no question Curt is devoted to the causes he supports, there’s more than enough anectdotal evidence out there) or the bloggers and commenters who dismiss and demean sincere work as nothing and feel free to sarcastically mock those earnest charitable endeavors? I think I know the answer to this question.
One other thing: Hammy’s point about Bonds having a “foundation” is actually useful – it’s true that any athlete can use a cover for a tax break and for image purposes – see a previous post which I will link to below on just that topic. Many of the times these foundations are vanity ploys – in Curt’s case, it clearly isn’t that.
The earlier post regarding athlete’s charitable giving is here:
SF April 28, 2005 at 10:58 am
The Observer link in that old thread is dead, unfortunately. Trying to recover the story somehow, but the NYO’s archives are non-existent.
SF April 28, 2005 at 11:01 am
SF’s right! Let’s make Schilling a consultant to John Bolton regarding the UNHCR. He certainly worked his ass off for Dubya’s presidential campaign.
YF April 28, 2005 at 11:06 am
“Hmm. Let’s see, who are the dickheads here”
Next thing you know you’ll be making homophobic comments.
I refuse to respond to such “drivel” by the way.
;) J/K of course SF. But truthfully speaking the only dickhead I see in this thread is Curt. I never said the guy didn’t have a heart, he obviously does, but it doesn’t make him any less of an arrogant blow hard dick. But I understand what you are trying to say. It just doesn’t work for Curt given everything else we have seen from him. If he would just stop running his mouth about every little thing that pops in his tiny brain maybe the perception people have of him would change. But it is pretty widely accepted that he is an asshole. And with good reason. His charitable organizations won’t change that.
Hammy April 28, 2005 at 11:09 am
See the thread title. PLEASE, PLEASE read the thread title.
SF April 28, 2005 at 11:11 am
Forgive us SF, I thought I detected some saracasm in the title. Not exactly out of character for you, or anyone else on this site, but I appreciate the sentiment now that I know you were just telling it as it is. Although “pinhead” doesn’t have the kind of ooomph a guy of Curt’s caliber deserves. But it’s a start.
What he needs is to see if someone out there has an Ankle Foundation. There has got to be some list he can get on.
Hammy April 28, 2005 at 11:23 am
mkay. this is stupid also, SF.
yanks fans get their panties in a twist over schilling, and that’s all there is to it. i’ve tried in many ways to get them to even see my side of it, and it has never worked. and they are right when they say that his support for charities has little to do with their other opinions on his character.
but like i said: if schilling were a yankee, the tables would be turned here. just like if a-rod were a red sox. that’s all there is to it, and the rest is just nonsense.
beth April 28, 2005 at 11:57 am
I don’t remember too many Yankees mouthing off like Schilling lately. There were Sheffield’s statements last year during the playoffs, and he got hammered for them, especially since he didn’t back it up. Notice he’s kept his mouth shut since then. I also don’t recall the Yankees bad mouthing any particular Sox players as some Sox did with A-Rod. Hey if they could all just learn, Sheffield included, to keep their mouth shut, to show a little respect and class. Come on, are we still in junior high here, how hard is it to remember the old adage, “If you can’t say something nice, shut the F*&! up!”.
And Beth, the eternal Sox excuse maker, just because some Yankee fans, just like some Sox fans, would not have a problem with Schilling’s behavior doesn’t make it right, or excuse it. Just like a fan who interferes with the game in Boston, Chris House, is just as big a jerk as a fan who interferes with a game in NY, Jeffrey Meier. Just because one roots for the greatest franchise in all of US sports history, the Yankees, doesn’t make him any bigger of a jerk than the fan who roots for a mediocre team from Boston, the Red Sox ;-). Except maybe in your eyes.
Joe in NJ April 28, 2005 at 12:37 pm
Now hang on, beth. Schilling has always had a problem yappin’ on about stuff that, really, no one’s interested in hearing. When he was with Philly, he was just as bad, as with the DBax, and now with the Sox. I mean, the guy goes to the Congressional hearings, and he thinks he’s David Boies, who he’s definitively not (‘Yes, I said that steroids was an enormous problem when I was quoted by SI…but, uh, I might have been wrong about that now that I’m sitting up here in front of a bunch of US Senators….’). It has nothing to do with team affiliation, or political affiliation, for that matter. It’s all about an opinionated, arrogant loudmouth who way overvalues his perspective and insight, and if he was on the Yankees, I’d still be cringing every time he grabbed the mic to deliver yet another inane personal commentary. I mean, see his recent comments re Lou Pinella, who yes, I realize, is an ex-Yank, but which history has nothing to do with the fact that Curt’s comments were a lame cheapshot, possibly untrue (are any of the DRays really gonna go tell Curt Schilling that Lou is an ‘idiot’?), and frankly, totally a-holish even given the Sox/DRays beanballing episode of a few days ago.
Be careful not to be so dismissive of all Yanks fans everywhere, and likewise, does everyone on the Sox automatically get a pass? Honestly, I get my own personal panties in much more of a bunch over Kevin Brown’s idiocy than Schilling’s ramblings, and I still haven’t warmed to ARod (though the recent rash of dings helps).
Spidey April 28, 2005 at 12:41 pm
“I still haven’t warmed to ARod (though the recent rash of dings helps).”
There’s SOME principles there. So what is it? Do you not like a guy because of his character (in A-Rod’s case it’s clear that he’s a hard-working and supremetly talented prima donna, arrogant, self-important, and maybe not the best-liked guy around the league) or do you like the guy just because he produces?
Therein lies a big dilemma for fans of any team or any player, and in particular with guys like Schilling – he performs, always flat out and through pain without whine, on the side does some good community work with deep sincerity, but after games and before games talks openly about lots of stuff on all sorts of issues, to a fault. He’s brash, arrogant, sometimes stupid (a Republican, so definitely stupid) and yes, a loudmouth. How do you decide why to like someone? When can you decide to like their results and their talents but not the man?
With Spidey, apparently all it takes are a couple of useless dingers and everything’s copacetic. Me, I’m conflicted (ain’t that the truth).
SF April 28, 2005 at 1:00 pm
If you’re a fan, you take what you get. That’s the nature of fandom. You hope you have all Jeters, but the reality is players are human, so you’re stuck loving (or at least putting up with) some characters who maybe aren’t ideal. That’s the story of life, though, right? Sometimes we’re a little hypocrisy is okay.
And we hope you’ve enjoyed this latest episode of Thursday’s with YF.
YF April 28, 2005 at 1:23 pm
Yes, athletes are just like everybody else, except they make more money. You like some, you hate some, you don’t care about some others (Would this actually be worse than hate?). My reaction as a Yankee fan last year when Sheffield made his comments was, “Oh man, just shut the F*$! up and play. Do your talking on the field during the game.” I root for the Yankees and I want Sheffield to do well, but he’ll never be like Mariano, Derek, Andy, Bernie, Paullie, Tino, Jorgie, Donnie, Reggie, Joe, Buck, Rags, Willie, Sweet Lou, Thurman, Chris, or Louisiana Ron. SF you’re not a Yankee fan but do you have any doubt about who any of those guys are? Maybe one day if he keeps his focus and his mouth shut, Alex, A-Rod, will also make the list. He hasn’t done anything for which he cannot be forgiven and he has a lot of time to do some great things with this team.
Joe in NJ April 28, 2005 at 1:24 pm
But wouldn’t a team of Jeters be kind of boring? We all need our Sheffields, our Schillings, at least in limited supply, to keep things interesting. 24 Jeters might lead to success, but it would be unentertaining as hell (well, maybe not THAT unentertaining). We all need somebody to love, but we sure as heck also need somebody to raise our blood pressure. If they are on the team we root for, well, then it all comes down to winning.
SF April 28, 2005 at 1:37 pm
Oh, criminy…y’know, for one who continually berates posters/YF for not getting your humor/sarcasm/tongue-apparently-deposited-in-cheek, you sure have an easy time not seeing it in others, SF. I mean, I suppose it’s part of your job as SF of YFvSF to instigate, but jeez, give me a teeny bit of credit, for f–k’s sake, and respond to the lion’s share of the post if you’re gonna retort. You know how I feel about ARod.
Spidey April 28, 2005 at 1:46 pm
There’s being interesting and there’s being an ass, can’t you do one without the other?
Joe in NJ April 28, 2005 at 1:48 pm
Apparently, you don’t like him. Who knew!? ;)
SF April 28, 2005 at 1:49 pm
“There’s being interesting and there’s being an ass, can’t you do one without the other?”
Professional athletes have established that it’s quite difficult for them, no?
SF April 28, 2005 at 1:53 pm
I posted this is another comment thread but in case you missed it Curt’s Guide to the Galaxy. Goes nicely with todays topic here on YF vs SF
Hammy April 28, 2005 at 2:03 pm
This is an “interesting” link:
A little sexist perhaps, maybe a little too tawdry for this blog (yet SFW, that means no nudity, right), but you definitely cannot say un-interesting.
Joe in NJ April 28, 2005 at 3:19 pm
i know that this site has a tendency to slip into flaming, and i admit i’ve been a major participant in that in the past. but i am seriously trying to make a point here, and i’m hoping you’ll at least try to understand where i’m coming from before you start telling me what a loser Sox fan i am.
//And Beth, the eternal Sox excuse maker, just because some Yankee fans, just like some Sox fans, would not have a problem with Schilling’s behavior doesn’t make it right, or excuse it. Just like a fan who interferes with the game in Boston, Chris House, is just as big a jerk as a fan who interferes with a game in NY, Jeffrey Meier.//
i’m not an excuse maker, because last i knew, the sox didn’t need “excusing”. for the record before you leap to your keyboard, i don’t think that about the yankees, either. and i never said anything about chris house, but you can find me on the record here and elsewhere agreeing that he’s an idiot.
but, i’m a sox FAN. i like the sox, and i like their players, and i like schilling quite a bit. my opinion differs from yours. and it isn’t changing, no matter how much you insult me about it.
would i hate schilling if he was with the yankees? i actually thought about this for a while before answering earlier. and my answer was, if i am to be totally honest, probably–even though i think i have good reasons for liking him (and no, i don’t care if you agree). would i like a-rod if he was with the sox? again, being painfully honest here, probably, just like i like most players in red stockings, whatever their shortcomings or irritating character flaws or strikeout ratios, etc. someone asked if sox players get a free pass? for me, yeah, they do. if you don’t like it, that’s really too bad. that’s how i am.
but to me, it works both ways. i’m not asking you to like schilling. you’ll notice i’m not attempting to defend him to you, because i know that would fall on deaf ears. but i’m asking those of you who think constant tirades about what an ass you think schilling is to see it as a matter of opinion, rather than fact.
it’s all well and good if you think not liking kevin brown or not having warmed to a-rod makes you a more discriminating or somehow better baseball fan. personally i think it would suck to follow a baseball team in which i didn’t even like the players. ultimately, though, if you really believe that which players you like / team you like says something about your character, i don’t envy you your life.
//Just because one roots for the greatest franchise in all of US sports history, the Yankees, doesn’t make him any bigger of a jerk than the fan who roots for a mediocre team from Boston, the Red Sox ;-). Except maybe in your eyes.//
i know this was said to get a rise out of me, but whatever. i don’t think that a yankees fan(leaving out your hyperbole) is necessarily any bigger a jerk than anyone else. but it seems like that’s not enough for some of you on this site, because what seems to draw the flaming from your side is that i also don’t think that someone who roots for the yankees is necessarily a *better* person.
really, talk all you want about how much you hate schilling. but don’t tell me that because i do like him, and the red sox, that makes *me* stupid. that’s what i can’t stand.
beth April 28, 2005 at 4:51 pm
If someone put up a website of all of Paris Hilton’s conquests she’d be called something that rhymes with glut. Are you admiring Derek for his promiscuity?
Dr. Ruth April 28, 2005 at 4:54 pm
Beth, Schilling’s an ass, its not an opinion its a fact, he has no class.
Dr Ruth, Jeter is a slut, so what you wrinkled prude?
MFY Fan April 28, 2005 at 9:09 pm
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