ALCS Preview? (Trash-Talking Edition) Yanks-Tigers Gamer I

The Yanks haven’t played in two days and have still managed to pick up a game in the AL East standings. They’re that good. Actually, Boston is that bad right now. A month ago it would have been hard to conceive that this game would mean more for the Tigers than the Yanks, but at this moment, Detroit holds a smaller lead over both Chicago and Minnesota in the central than the Yanks hold over the Sox.  Again, this dramatic change in the standings has to be traced mostly to a Sox team in the middle of a historic collapse. The question needs to be asked: When was the last time a $120 million team lost 20 games in a month? Actually, that question doesn’t need to be asked, but I can’t help but think that so much money could be used to better ends. I kid. This is YFvSF after all. Turn-around is fair play. Also, as many Sox fans have become philosophical and are all about perspective in recent days, we must not forget that this is just a game. Or, if that seems too trite and empty, you can take solace in the fact that you’re not an Orioles fan. Again, let’s not get too angry at this Yanks fan. I’m a freaking Yanks fan! Despite my generally civil and respectful tone, I can’t help but hate the Sox. It’s nothing personal. The regular Sox fans contributors here all seem like good people. Heck, I assume we’d all get along famously if we all sat down for a drink at team-neutral bar. But let’s not pretend that I’m not above indulging in a little schadenfreude right about now.

And with that I get to the serious part of the program. Really, this is meant in all seriousness. Big Papi, you’re a great ambassador for my favorite sport, you’re an essential part of the greatest rivalry in sports, you’re a worthy MVP candidate, and you seem like a splendid human being. Get better. I hope you’re back on the field soon.

Back to the trivial matter at hand. The Yanks and Tigers have been the two best teams in baseball for nearly the whole year (if you, like SF, are a loyal follower of Pythagorean records). This series is quite possibly a preview of this year’s ALCS. Most people, however, are discounting the Tigers’ chances in the post-season. But my question is why? It’s become a truism on this site and others that pitching and defense wins post-season series. The Tigers are basically the best pitching and defensive team in baseball. So, why no love for the Tigres de Detroit from so many posters and experts? Anyway, the game is set to begin soon. It’s Wang v. Robertson. Comment here.

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  • Tigers:
    Granderson, CF
    Gomez, RF
    Young, DH
    Monroe, LF
    Guillen, SS
    Rodriguez, C
    Casey, 1B
    Perez, 2B
    Inge, 3B
    Robertson, P
    Yankees:
    Damon, CF
    Jeter, SS
    Abreu, RF
    Giambi, DH
    Rodriguez, 3B
    Posada, C
    Cano, 2B
    Cabrera, LF
    Wilson, 1B
    Wang, P

    yankeemonkey August 30, 2006, 12:43 pm
  • Bernie was set to start yesterday against Robertson as the DH. I guess he’ll play the night-cap against the righty. Oh well.

    Nick-YF August 30, 2006, 12:44 pm
  • I was hoping we’d see Neifi “automatic out” Perez at leadoff again…Oh well. And no Ordonez?

    yankeemonkey August 30, 2006, 12:46 pm
  • Nick, I think the issue people have with the Tigers is just laziness. They can’t imagine Detroit being any good because it’s too much work to picture a team that was so crappy two years ago being a real contender this year.
    It was the same with the White Sox last season. Even though they led the Central virtually all year, no one thought they were serious WS material until they beat Boston.
    Did anyone see Rob Neyer’s article about Wang today? Not good reading. Basically, it states that given his underlying numbers, Wang would buck all of baseball history if he even goes on to win 100 games. Sobering stuff.

    Sam August 30, 2006, 1:07 pm
  • I just checked MLB cable and couldn’t find this game. It’s not on ESPN – MLB SUCKS!

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 1:12 pm
  • I take it back. It’s on Comcast’s Game 3 but it’s not in the Comcast guide. So I guess it’s Comcast that sucks.

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 1:15 pm
  • So I just missed all the early comments. How do the Yanks do against Robertson?

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 1:16 pm
  • what’s up guys. missed you during the rainout.

    YF in DC August 30, 2006, 1:16 pm
  • neyer’s article requires subscription

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 1:21 pm
  • The one sentence Neyer summary mentions lack of strikeouts — isn’t that true of many ground ball pitchers like Tommy John?

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 1:22 pm
  • Jeter got a single in the bottom of the first, but Abreu grounded into the 463 to end the inning.
    Monroe grounded out to lead off the Tigers 2nd.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 1:25 pm
  • Anon – the point is that Wang is at the extreme of the scale. He is last out of all 87 pitchers who qualify for the ERA title and his current 2.96Ks/9 is the third lowest figure of the past 11 years.
    He then compares historic pitchers under 30 with low K rates but also low ERAs – and that’s where it gets ugly. His peers are guys like Randy Jones, Steve Kline, Jim Barr and Ricky Bones. None of these guys won more than 68 games after their career years.
    The implied argument is that this is an anomolous career year for Wang, and he’s going to be a 500 pitcher, if he’s lucky for the rest of the way, and probably not even be pitching in the majors by the time he’s about 32.
    Of course, Wang had a good K rate in the minors, so that could change – this is just based on his big league numbers up to now.

    Sam August 30, 2006, 1:38 pm
  • Wait, Rob Neyer wrote an article that shines a negative light on a New York Yankee?!?!?!?!
    Sound the alarm, that’s news!
    Oh wait, he does it all the time (see: every article he’s ever written about Derek Jeter).

    YFinBeantown August 30, 2006, 1:42 pm
  • I thought I heard it mentioned someplace that Wang was working on developing a changeup? If he has a good one, plus an improved slider, his K rates would go up, most likely.
    Arod with a GIDP in the 2nd…anyone watching live? I wonder what the stadium faithfuls’ reaction was…

    yankeemonkey August 30, 2006, 1:44 pm
  • Awful lot of balls hit in the air from the Wangster….

    yankeemonkey August 30, 2006, 1:45 pm
  • To be fair to Neyer, he’s never hidden his anti-Yankee feelings. But he’s also backing DJ as the AL MVP this year and he believes the Yanks are the best team in baseball right now.

    Sam August 30, 2006, 1:45 pm
  • Career year? Weren’t his stats similar last year? ERA was little higher, a little over 4, but most of the year Wang has been a little over 4 or a little under 4.

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 1:50 pm
  • Cabrera advances to third on a double by Damon up the right field line. That’s Damon’s 32nd double on the year.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 1:54 pm
  • Jeter Ks. Abreu up with two away.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 1:57 pm
  • T John career innings / SO = 4710/2245 = 2.09
    Wang career inninngs / SO = 297/106* = 2.80
    * unless he has some this game

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 2:07 pm
  • Robi doubles Posada to third; two outs. Let’s get some runs, boys.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:13 pm
  • Time to get a two-out hit. Comeon, Melky!

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 2:14 pm
  • Mo 875.66 / 776 = 1.128

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 2:16 pm
  • Damn. Flyout to LF. Robertson continues to dance through the raindrops (6 hits in 4 IP).
    Keep them off the board, Wanger!

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 2:16 pm
  • Melky pops out to end the inning. *grumble*
    Six hits, no runs through four.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:16 pm
  • Neyer’s article on Wang is just an extension of what he’s been saying about him lately:
    He may be a statistical outlier, and if he continues to succeed w/o picking up his K rate, he will be. The whole statistical correlation between Ks and long-term success isn’t just something Neyer made up to bash the Yankees.
    Obviously, I’m rooting for the “extreme outlier” theory. :)

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 2:23 pm
  • Arg. Jeter’s error prolongs the inning. That would’ve been a clean CMW inning (three straight groundouts).

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 2:24 pm
  • Casey is on base due to a throwing error by Jeter. Should have been the end of the inning.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:25 pm
  • Thankfully, the next guy up was Neifi Perez and he did what he does (make outs). Another groundball. Good job, Wanger.
    74 pitches through 5. A little high for Wang :)

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 2:26 pm
  • Wilson!

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:29 pm
  • One-one change sent deep into the seats in left.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:29 pm
  • Damon up with no outs.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:30 pm
  • Damon walks.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:31 pm
  • Jeter singles on a line drive to right center, Damon to third, no outs.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:33 pm
  • Abreu ks.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:35 pm
  • Huzzah! I talk to my boss for 5 minutes and come back to a Wilson HR and now (yet again) two on with one out.

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 2:36 pm
  • Sac Fly Giambi, 2-0. I’ll take it.

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 2:37 pm
  • Damon scores on a sac drive by Giambi. NY 2.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:37 pm
  • Granderson makes a catch at the wall on the run to retire ARod.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:38 pm
  • Anon, I think your math is wrong. T John’s K/9 is 4.29, while Mo’s is 7.98!
    By contrast, Wang’s is 3.23 – and dropping.

    Sam August 30, 2006, 2:39 pm
  • ARod can’t get a break, eh?

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 2:40 pm
  • ARod with some fine leather work.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:41 pm
  • Yeah, Rob, that was a well-hit ball, looked good coming off the bat.

    Nick-YF August 30, 2006, 2:42 pm
  • If Rivera only had 1 K/game, he would not be a HOF closer. Now 1-point-whatever K/inning, that I could buy…

    Paul SF August 30, 2006, 2:42 pm
  • Two away on a grounder to Wilson.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:42 pm
  • Mo’s K rate was higher back when he threw his 4-seamer more. But I do believe the tradeoff with the cutter (more contact, but less HRs) is fine, especially since he still strikes out a fair number of guys.

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 2:43 pm
  • Dmitri Young up after Gomez singles to the corner.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:45 pm
  • Another comebacker to Wang ends the inning. I think that’s three?

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:45 pm
  • Rob, I believe that’s exactly the lesson Josh Beckett is learning this season, albeit slowly. Striking out 10 guys a game doesn’t mean crap if 10 other guys are hitting bombs all over the place…

    Paul SF August 30, 2006, 2:46 pm
  • Fastballs are only good if they move… or if you have ungodly breaking stuff (or at least a good changeup). For starters, anyway. Mo did pretty well with a straight 4-seamer in 1996, as a 1-2 inning reliever.
    Beckett… needs to get his curveball over in order to do well, at least against good hitting teams. No command of curveball = pasting. If he can develop another useful pitch, be it a changeup, a sinker or cutter, that might help too.

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 2:49 pm
  • I don’t understand how K’s are such a be all end all, of a good pitcher, it is just one piece in the puzzle. Nolan Ryan had the most K’s ever, he wasn’t the best pitcher ever. He wasn’t even a good consistently winning pitcher until he got older and learned how to pitch.

    Bozo August 30, 2006, 2:49 pm
  • But as I said, Mo’s K/9 is 8 for his career. That’s stellar in by anyone’s measurement.

    Sam August 30, 2006, 2:50 pm
  • Posada ks, then Robi gets an infield single.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:50 pm
  • Cabrera reaches first on FC and an error on Guillen allows Cano to second.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:51 pm
  • Mo does not have a high K rate, at least amongst closers. Yet you hardly ever see a hard hit ball against him, that why he has been the best closer the past 10 years. I think the HR allowed rate is a better indicator of a pitcher than K rate.

    Bozo August 30, 2006, 2:52 pm
  • Wilson advances Cano to third on a pop fly.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:53 pm
  • Damon grounds out 43 to end the inning.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:53 pm
  • “I think the HR allowed rate is a better indicator of a pitcher than K rate.”
    Agreed. Adjusted for ballpark, of course (Jeff Weaver, I’m looking at YOU).

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 2:53 pm
  • Arod can’t catch a break, can he….At least that’s 3 times he put the ball in play.
    If Wang continues to get results like he has been to this point, I won’t mind it if he doesn’t strike out another batter in the next 15 years.

    yankeemonkey August 30, 2006, 2:54 pm
  • Injury report update:
    Matsui took live BP today.
    Cairo, Phillips and Mussina are all expected to be available by next week.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:57 pm
  • Of course. I’m loving what Wang is doing. I also remember Derek Lowe having years like this… and years that weren’t so much fun. As long as that sinker keeps sinking…

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 2:57 pm
  • Isn’t the sabremetric view that HR is a good determinant of closers while k/9 is the best predictor/indicator for starters?
    Either way, Neyer’s point, YM is that it’s historically unsustainable for Wang to maintain results like these.
    It got me worried anyway.
    But as Neyer points out, Wang K’d 51 guys in his last 9 AAA starts, so you never know.

    Sam August 30, 2006, 2:59 pm
  • Guillen grounds back to Wang.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 2:59 pm
  • Would that be comebacker #4?

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 2:59 pm
  • Mein Gott!! Three strikeouts for Wang in 7IP! Stop the presses!

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 3:00 pm
  • Rob, I think so, or maybe 5 even.
    Pudge Ks.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 3:01 pm
  • I did career innings over k’s, not k’s per nine innings. Easier math. Plug two numbers into the Apple calculator widget and you’re done.

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 3:01 pm
  • I think I heard some one here or maybe at Bronx Banter mention that Wang had similar K numbers to an early Kevin Brown, who then became the top starter he was when he increased his K rate as he got older. Why wouldn’t that be possible for Wang? Neyer is just hoping for the worst, that closet Sox fan.

    Bozo August 30, 2006, 3:01 pm
  • Far more important, of course, is this:
    7IP, 2H, 1BB, 0R, and he pitched around an error. He’s at 97 pitches… I assume he’s done for the day?

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 3:01 pm
  • 12 ground outs, 5 fly outs, 3 ks.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 3:02 pm
  • K-rate isn’t the be-all and end-all, but it’s a better measurement of effectveness than wins. Ryan pitched for some horrible teams, for example, which significantly depressed his wins.
    As a closer, you *can’t* give up home runs, which is why HR/9 is so important for them. As a starter, you can give up three homers agame, but if you don’t let anyone on base, big deal. K/9 combined with WHIP I think gives you the best idea of effectiveness…

    Paul SF August 30, 2006, 3:02 pm
  • Hey, don’t get me wrong guys – I love Neyer, but I love Wang more. I sincerely hope that he sticks around for the next decade and a half and keeps on doing this sort of stuff. Just thought Neyer’s article had some interesting points.

    Sam August 30, 2006, 3:03 pm
  • Bozo, that would be Benjamin Kabak at the excellent Off the facade blog. If we were to get a younger, more sociable Kevin Brown in his primer….good times.

    yankeemonkey August 30, 2006, 3:04 pm
  • 3 k’s in 1 inning? He just increased his career total by 2.8%. Perhaps Neyer’s sample is a little early and small?

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 3:04 pm
  • *prime

    yankeemonkey August 30, 2006, 3:04 pm
  • So, Paul, what do you make of a 2.96 K/9 and a 1.35 WHIP?

    Sam August 30, 2006, 3:04 pm
  • no one warming in yankee pen

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 3:06 pm
  • I’m no expert, but like Neyer said, the numbers don’t look as good as the results he’s getting right now.

    Paul SF August 30, 2006, 3:07 pm
  • why can’t abreu hit robertson?

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 3:07 pm
  • A bunt? You’ve got to be kidding me?!?

    Bozo August 30, 2006, 3:07 pm
  • Abreu with the sac bunt? LOL.

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 3:08 pm
  • GRRRRRRRRRR no bunts!!!!

    yankeemonkey August 30, 2006, 3:09 pm
  • Bunting in that situation… screams “pitch around” Giambi. ARod up next… open base…
    I hope they walk Giambi and ARod makes them pay.

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 3:09 pm
  • Damn. No sooner do I type that then Giambi Ks. ARod up. 2 outs. RISP. Come on Alex!!

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 3:10 pm
  • Passed ball advances Jeter to third.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 3:12 pm
  • Anonyf,
    “3 k’s in 1 inning? He just increased his career total by 2.8%. Perhaps Neyer’s sample is a little early and small?”
    No, 3ks in 7 innings, which will bump his K rate this year up a little bit. His K rate last year was actually a little higher. But at this point he’s put up, what, ~250 innings of 3k/9 work? That’s a decent sample. Still, he’s young and he’s clearly rolling right now. It ain’t broke!

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 3:12 pm
  • WP not PB.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 3:12 pm
  • Anyone warming for the Yankees?

    yankeemonkey August 30, 2006, 3:13 pm
  • ARod with the clutch walk. ;) I kid.
    Time for Jorge to plate an insurance run…

    Anonymous August 30, 2006, 3:13 pm
  • 0-2 hits Posada to load the bases for Cano.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 3:14 pm
  • Posada HBP. Bases juiced for Cano (who has been pretty bad in these spots this year).

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 3:14 pm
  • Robi grounds out to end the inning.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 3:16 pm
  • And there’s that. Blah.

    yankeemonkey August 30, 2006, 3:16 pm
  • Aaaaand Robbie grounds out on the first pitch.
    Mattingly needs to have a long talk with him about situational hitting…

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 3:16 pm
  • 2 runs on 10 hits (plus 2 walks and a HBP). Ugh.
    Cano needs to understand that when the bases are loaded and a pitcher is up over 100 pitches, the pitching is in a heap of trouble and he knows it. Make him work to get you out…

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 3:17 pm
  • Gamecenter indicates Proctor is warming, but Wang is out there for the 8th. He gets Casey out on one pitch. Bravo, Wanger!

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 3:19 pm
  • Ground ball out on the first pitch to Cano.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 3:19 pm
  • i misread rob’s comment – but he still just added 2.8% to his career total in this game — 3 / 106 career strikeouts = .028

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 3:19 pm
  • Wang goes 3-0 on Neifi Perez. Yikes. You do not walk Neifi Perez. It’s just wrong.

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 3:20 pm
  • Sigh, Perez walks. Wang must be losing his command. Time to summon one more DP grounder, Wanger!

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 3:21 pm
  • Inge flies out to CF. Granderson doubles on pitch #109. 2nd & 3rd with 2 down. I assume that’s gotta be all for Wang.

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 3:24 pm
  • uh oh

    Bozo August 30, 2006, 3:24 pm
  • Crap.

    yankeemonkey August 30, 2006, 3:24 pm
  • nice game and nice hand for wang — but the tying run’s out there on second

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 3:24 pm
  • Great game by Wang.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 3:24 pm
  • let’s hope they leave men on just like the Yanks

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 3:25 pm
  • Proctor coming in?

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 3:26 pm
  • Magglio!

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 3:26 pm
  • Proctor gets Ordonez to pop out on the first pitch. Sweet.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 3:27 pm
  • Thank goodness for that.

    Sam August 30, 2006, 3:28 pm
  • Sweet! Proctor retires Ordonez. *phew*
    And now (barring a sudden offensive explosion from the Yanks), it’s Mariano time.

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 3:28 pm
  • Gah….that was TENSE!

    yankeemonkey August 30, 2006, 3:29 pm
  • Tigers first-round draft pick from *this year* in to pitch to Melky…

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 3:30 pm
  • Wow…talk about throwing the kid into the fire!

    yankeemonkey August 30, 2006, 3:31 pm
  • hey, i just had a comment blocked

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 3:35 pm
  • and again

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 3:36 pm
  • i’m trying to make a comment about mr. rivera and mr. torre but it gets blocked — is M_o_’s name a problem?

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 3:38 pm
  • One pitch, one out. Awesome.

    yankeemonkey August 30, 2006, 3:40 pm
  • Mo gets a ground out from Young, 6-3 on the first pitch.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 3:41 pm
  • Seems to work for me, Anon

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 3:41 pm
  • Monroe down on three pitches. K

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 3:42 pm
  • weird – go mo

    anonyf August 30, 2006, 3:42 pm
  • Guillen is batting righty againt Mo, even though he is a switch hitter. He’s behind 1-2. Mo misses high. 2-2 is fouled back. Another foul. Guillen is working Mo pretty well. Guillen hits a quail to center.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 3:44 pm
  • Pudge up.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 3:45 pm
  • Mo’s ahead 0-2 on Pudge. The next pitch is grounded to ARod who throws to first to end the game.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 3:46 pm
  • Yay! Game over! Wonder if Mo is available for tonight?

    yankeemonkey August 30, 2006, 3:47 pm
  • Wang is now tied with Halladay for the major-league lead in victories.

    attackgerbil August 30, 2006, 3:47 pm
  • Yeah, I put in a comment naming the Yankee skipper and it got blocked, too.
    Site hosts, can you please look into this?

    Sam August 30, 2006, 3:51 pm
  • Torre

    yankeemonkey August 30, 2006, 3:54 pm
  • worked for me….

    yankeemonkey August 30, 2006, 3:55 pm
  • I’ll pass the word along to SF and YF. They’ve been busy of late, so I apologize in advance if there’s any delay in fixing the problem.

    Nick-YF August 30, 2006, 3:55 pm
  • YM – try his first and last name. THat’s when I get blocked.

    Sam August 30, 2006, 3:57 pm
  • Yep, I got blocked too, Sam. Weirdness.

    yankeemonkey August 30, 2006, 3:59 pm
  • Sam, I got blocked too.

    Nick-YF August 30, 2006, 3:59 pm
  • There are some dastardly SFs causing trouble for us, guys…

    Sam August 30, 2006, 4:01 pm
  • Great game by the Wanger, with good work from Proctor and Mo too. Nice to win low-scoring games.
    16-6. Wow. And to think, I laughed out loud when Peter Gammons predicted Wang would win 20 (on BBTN, back in May or early June).

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 4:14 pm
  • Yes, his full name gets blocked as spam. That’s pretty funny.

    Rob (Middletown, CT) August 30, 2006, 4:30 pm
  • Funny that Wang is OK, but Torre is not. I mean, if Typepad was gonna trip on something, you’d think it would be the euphamisms.

    Paul SF August 30, 2006, 4:32 pm
  • im kinda answering an old questions but i dont think many people are counting on the tigers to win the WS because they depend too much on the HRS
    just look at the yankees in 2004, the yankees depended too much on the HRS, and i think like top in HRs or second, and ended up losing..sadly
    also, their entire team is like non-playoff experience.
    and technically, Wang can strike out guys with his fastball, but he relies more on his sinker.
    Basically, im trying to say that Wang can strike out guys, but prefers to use his sinker

    yankeeboy August 30, 2006, 8:18 pm
  • FYI, the current leader in the “Best MLB pitcher ever” ranking on http://www.rankopedia.com is Roger Clemens.

    mistersports07 December 28, 2006, 3:42 pm

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