Alex and the Mad Dog

Yesterday, A-Rod appeared on WFAN’s Mike and the Mad Dog show; as Peter Abraham reports, he actually went up to their booth—at his own insistence; they generally interview players remotely—so they’d be face to face. That’s a good move on his part. It was, even still, a tough conversation. Over on the Banter, Cliff Corcoran has transcribed some of the key parts. You can play or download the thing yourself here. But here are the keys:

-Alex wants to remain a Yankee.
-He’s disappointed with his Yankee career so far, as good as it’s been.
-He feels he has not been treated fairly by the NY fans.
-He thinks he presses too much in the playoffs, going for the big bomb, and not adjusting his game.
-Unlike Jeter, he does not judge his year solely on whether he wins the WS
-This is the “do or die” year in NY. Either he’s wanted, or that’s it.

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  • Again. Uggh. Did someone put truth serum in Alex’s Gatorade? Why the sudden urge to open up and tell us everything he thinks and feels? Like I have said in the past I am a big A-Rod fan, but this off the field stuff is getting tired.
    Side note. Cashman was on WFAN yesterday, GREAT interview. He blames the Rivera situation on Mo. He said chances are they would have extended him once he came to camp and they saw he was healthy. His concern was the 3 weeks he was shut down in 2006. But once Mo went public he said he couldn’t sign him to an extension right away. He doesn’t want to set a precedent, even though Mo is a unique talent, for players with expiring contracts.

    Triskaidekaphobia March 14, 2007, 9:09 am
  • I find Arod’s comments just childish, really.
    “Alex wants to remain a Yankee.”
    I want to be a Yankee!
    “This is the “do or die” year in NY. Either he’s wanted, or that’s it.”
    But only if people like me!
    I realize those aren’t his quotes, but I trust YFs translation.

    LocklandSF March 14, 2007, 9:17 am
  • See, YF, that’s what I don’t get: Alex makes honest comments and you consistently give it attention (it is a great interview though).
    Schilling talks about Mr. Inevitable calling a game and you ignore it.
    BTW: No one pointed out yesterday how obvious Schilling was in his back tracking when he said: “I am making it abundantly clear that when Tek and I differ opinions, 99 times out of one hundred, he’s right.”
    So the King of Egotism on that team is saying he’s wrong 99% of the time?
    I call major BS. Schilling got caught talking straight, and then he realized what he said and couldn’t backtrack fast enough. It was Wily E. Coyote spinning his feet in the air trying to run away from his honest comment.
    Good stuff! Mr. Inevitable.
    Classic.

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 9:22 am
  • To be fair though, he’s mostly right though. Just didn’t expect him to actually say it! Maybe this will be a good year!

    Lar March 14, 2007, 9:23 am
  • The Cashman interview is great too. There’s the Mo stuff, Torre’s status, Bernie, and George still approving all decisions.

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 9:25 am
  • What, Trisk, what’s the “ugh” problem? Alex gets asked questions he’s been asked a MILLION TIMES, he’s completely honest and open about it, and you’re disgusted with it. Instead of giving canned, sterile, idiot answers, which you’d probably be disgusted with too.
    Don’t blame A-Rod for mediot questions. I applaud him for actually being honest where a less patient man would rightfully get fed up and avoid everyone.

    Andrew March 14, 2007, 9:28 am
  • I can’t believe I’m going to do this, somebody please stop me!
    Jim, seriously, are you that dull? Schilling said that WHEN he and Tek DISAGREE, Tek is right 99 time out of a hundred. Not that he is wrong 99% of the time. Reading is fundamental, buddy.
    Also, today on Shilling’s blog he brought it up again in response to another question:
    “Q-What am I thinking when Tito comes to the mound?
    A-Turn around and get your butt back in the dugout is usually first. I would hazard to guess that I am usually livid at the fact that I:
    A) Just shook off Tek, did something stupid and lost us the game
    B) Didn’t listen to myself, did something stupid and lost us the game
    C) Just shook off Tek AND didn’t listen to myself, then did something stupid and lost us the game.”

    LocklandSF March 14, 2007, 9:50 am
  • I’m not the Associated Press, Jim. I focus most of my attention on the Yanks, and, for the most part, let the SFs here tackle Sox internal issues. My time is limited. And in any event, I’m really not that interested in parsing every last phrase Curt Schilling utters vis-a-vis his catcher.

    YF March 14, 2007, 9:59 am
  • Exactly, he’s backtracking by saying Tek is right 99% of the time when they disagree.
    We’re really supposed to believe that coming from him? He and someone else disagree, and he’s wrong 99% of the time? Really? Really, huh?
    It just gets better and better. The biggest blowhard on the team can’t run away from the comment fast enough – Because it’s true!
    You listen to Varitek and “the inevitable happens”. Ask Beckett.
    Classic good stuff! Mr. Inevitable.
    Again, I don’t want you to believe me. Just watch as Beckett is more assertive this year. Of course, that won’t help DM much.
    Hard to love your catcher when he’s falling off a cliff and bringing the pitching with him? Don’t let it get you angry though.

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 10:01 am
  • Andrew do you want a cookie? Come on man nobody is a bigger fan of A-Rod the player then me, but I will not stand behind or try to defend anything he says off the field. he didn’t need to do the interview, he could have turned it down. But instead in his quest to make EVERYONE happy he did the interview and again the new “Red Light” came out looking bad. Spin it whatever way you would like you wouldn’t hear these comments coming out of DJ’s mouth.

    Triskaidekaphobia March 14, 2007, 10:03 am
  • Fair enough YF. To me, the only reason it’s newsworthy is because it helps to undo the Myth of Mr. Inevitable. When his own pitchers are saying he can’t be trusted to call a game, it’s very hard to say “Well, at least he’s a great catcher!” especially since he can’t throw out runners either.
    Indeed, you yourself have bought into that hype. The problem is that’s all there is – hype. In two years time we’ll be able to look back at Mr. inevitable for what he was – an average catcher for a one-time championship team. Nothing more.
    Meanwhile, Paul gets angry enough to devote a post to how Torre thinks RSN’s angry.
    Great, great, entertainment – that’s what makes this site so great. Thanks YF! Thanks SF! And most especially – thanks Paul!

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 10:09 am
  • Note to Joe Torre: The Sox and Yankees Were a Rivalry Long Before You Arrived
    http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/03/14/000049.php
    [QUOTE]In one respect, I shake my head and say that Torre just doesn’t get it. He has managed the Yankees long enough to know that the Red Sox and Yankees have been bitter rivals long before he even arrived in the big leagues as a player. He mistakes anger with passion. Why would Red Sox fans lose their distaste for the Yankees, and their desire to win even a spring training game against the Bombers, just because they won a World Series? Don’t tell me that Yankees fans don’t feel the same fanaticism about defeating the Red Sox, otherwise blogs like this would not exist, and the rivalry would not be so fierce. A rivalry at its very definition requires devout interest from two sides. Yankees fans care as much about what is happening in Red Sox Nation as Sox fans do about the daily happenings of the Evil Empire.
    For most Americans, arrogance is a trait that is highly detested. There is no reason to root for the Yankees if you are not a Yankees fan. The Red Sox are certainly not the underdogs against most teams, but baseball fans consider Boston as David and the Yankees as Goliath when the two teams meet. Very few people cheer for Goliath. Evidently, Torre was blind to the Yankees fans who for years carried “1918” signs and taunted the Sox with that chant. And apparently he wears earplugs when the Sox and Yankees clash at Yankee Stadium.
    So, Joe, remember this before you speak again without thinking. Red Sox fans are not angry at the Yankees, nor do they resent the Yankees. The Yankees are our biggest foe, and the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry is more storied than any other in all of sports. Of course Sox fans want to beat the Yankees and cherish every failure the Bombers’ taste. Last October, we remained Sox fans, but we became temporary supporters of the Detroit Tigers, just as Yankees fans became quick fans of the St. Louis Cardinals in the 2004 World Series.
    And, by the way, Sox fans do not dishonor Damon by showering him with boos. When you say that you will never play for the Yankees and then less than a year later wear their uniform, you demonstrate a lack of integrity. It’s your choice to take the money and run, and it’s our prerogative to let you know our displeasure about you not keeping your word. But that is a topic for another column.[/QUOTE]
    Why Redsox Fans always keeep bringing up the Yankees known as The Evil Empire? Is is hate or Jealousy? Please, Stop bringing up Yankees Payroll when Redsox spends $222 this offseason alone. If the Yankees are Evil Empire then the Redsox are Evil Empire Jr. According to Boston globe the Redsox payroll is $160 million while the Yankees payroll at $167 million. The Yankees are playing by the rules. George are paying luxury tax and revenue sharing to small market teams. As a Yankees, I would rather have George Steinbrenner to be the owner of my team, He puts a winning product on the field.don’t hold your breath. As for the Red Sox, if the Yankees are the worst in all of sports the Red Sox are not far behind. This is a team that spent $222 million this offseason behind only the Chicago Cubs. (The Yankees rank ninth in offseason spending this year.) . Boston is catching up and doing it quickly.
    So while that was a beautifully disturbing love story of the couple in Boston, the Red Sox are a team going with their fifth different shortstop in the last five seasons and also signed an outfielder that won’t play with a hangnail to a five-year, $70 million contract.
    Look in the mirror. The playing field is slowly but surely being leveled in baseball.
    If the Yanks are the worst in all of sports because they will do whatever it takes, again within the rules, then why even pick a team and devote your time to it?
    Why Redsox Fans Blame Damon for leaving The Redsox? . The Redsox didn’t offer him a a contract . Redsox Fans, should blame the Redsox Management. This Offseason Redsox spending outrageous amount money on Matsuzaka, Jd Drew and Lugo but can’t sign Damon to contract. Are you kidding me? Who’s fault is it?

    Jb March 14, 2007, 11:13 am
  • Every Fans and Media , Perception of the Redsox as Underdog and beloved while The Yankees known as a Goliath and hatred.

    Jb March 14, 2007, 11:25 am
  • Ack! We’re being trolled over!

    Paul SF March 14, 2007, 11:33 am
  • The Redsox nation suffers from inferiority complex. They want their team to be like the Yankees and win the world series every year.

    Jb March 14, 2007, 11:37 am
  • not this crap again. is there a way to block trolls?

    m.g. yanks fan March 14, 2007, 11:47 am
  • I’m sorry I’m not troll. I’m sorry if my post did bother you guys.

    Jb March 14, 2007, 11:52 am
  • Well, at least they are Yankee fan trolls. :-)
    This thread was over before it even started, damn shame really, little guy had so much promise.

    LocklandSF March 14, 2007, 11:54 am
  • I listened to A Rod’s interview online while it was happening yesterday. I didn’t hear what you read into it Lockland…at all. Your reaction is sort of the base issue for both Sox and Yank fans. He made good points. He said that two years ago in the Angels series he felt he blew it and that if he had played better the Yanks really could have won, he also said he hit poorly in the Detroit series but that Detroit slaughtered the Yankees from top to bottom. He is right.
    There’s really nothing else one can say to that.
    He seems to have a very healthy ego, and also a tremendous work ethic.
    Mad Dog is certifiably an imbecile.
    A Rod said he wasn’t happy last season (after he was prompted very specifically by Mike along the lines of “you looked unhappy here, bad fit…”). All of these things are true. There are alot of truly idiotic things being said by athletes all over the sports universe and frankly, A Rod isn’t one of them right now.
    There are more of those guys talking out at Red Sox camp.

    walein March 14, 2007, 12:31 pm
  • Trisk, I would like a cookie. You say you won’t defend what A-Rod says, fine, but why go the the distance and attack him for it unless you have a problem with anything he says. Do you, or do you just have a problem with him talking at all?

    Andrew March 14, 2007, 12:32 pm
  • A-Rod’s comments about not being appareciated in New York and this year being a year to see whether the fans truly want him seem dead on to me. With his talent, why play in a place where people hate you for no reason?
    The only beef I have is why not say that right away, instead of playing all this “Option? What option?” crap. I guess that’s all part of the turning over a new leaf he was talking about.

    Paul SF March 14, 2007, 12:34 pm
  • If you listen to the interview it’s seems very plain what A Rod feels about his option year.
    He’s going to leave if he wins a world series.
    Because Mike and the Mad Dog, like most interviewers are mostly interested in what’s bouncing around in their mind they don’t really pick up on the plain language he uses. He says something (almost verbatim, when being asked about the option issue) “an MVP and a World Series over four years would be a pretty good record in NY.”
    I don’t think you need to read between any lines. He’s been unhappy here since last year, he has too much pride to be “run out of town,” he thinks this team can win a ring (something he wants for all of the reasons people want rings), he needs to get back into doing more things in the city (because a: it gets him better press than when he’s just playing baseball and b: it helps to make his life nicer and happier).
    Also, next year is his option year!
    The guy wants to get another long term, big money contract somewhere (NY or otherwise). There’s no reason for him to limit his market value. You have to be wishy washy about your contract. Boras is his agent and the way things will go like this at the end of the year (win or lose, but especially if A Rod performs good or great in the season and post-season):
    A Rod says “I’d really love to stay in NY but I want an extension.”
    Boras says “there are a million teams offering A Rod an extension and after the numbers this guy has put up and the fact that he’s going to basically break tons of records, it behooves the Yanks to sign him to a career ending deal. I’ve even gotten offers for A Rod to play quarterback from the NY Giants” (which might actually happen).
    I don’t know what one expects from a player in his option year.

    walein March 14, 2007, 12:54 pm
  • Walenin, I didn’t listen to the interview, I was just taking YFs translation at face value. I just think it’s silly to say to the fans, if you don’t like me I’m going to leave. I just think giving the fans an ultimatum is a bad idea.

    LocklandSF March 14, 2007, 1:06 pm
  • Yeah. But when fans are unreasonable? Personally I’ve never been bothered by players who have antagonistic relationships with fans and press. Ted Williams had some pretty bad PR and fan interactions in his day.
    When some of your fans are the guys we saw in that video posted on the previous thread, can you blame the player?

    walein March 14, 2007, 1:29 pm
  • Yeah, why actually listen to it (free and easy to find) when you can blather on with ill-informed opinions. There was no ultimatum nor was there a threat. He’s more asking a rhetorical question – either he’s going to win or he’s going to get run out of town. Simple enough conclusion that squares nicely with reality.
    And there you go again Paul – you’ve got to chill, man and or at least go easy on the cheeseburgers – you’re a walking heart attack. There was no crap. His very first interview of Spring (again, free and easy to find) he said “I know what’s in my contract”. And even as he was egged on to renounce his option, he didn’t. That’s his contract and he has every right to decide what he wants. Options commence this year, though, walein.
    Me, I’m quite happy watching the greatest player of his generation. Last I checked he won a MVP at SS with a last place team and a MVP at 3rd with a first place team. The only thing missing is a ring – and that will come soon enough.

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 1:32 pm
  • BREAKING NEWS-
    Jim has confirmed a-rod has been shopping for jewelry. Is there an engagement in the wings? Details on the ring to be released soon.

    sf rod March 14, 2007, 1:54 pm
  • Boras says “there are a million teams offering A Rod an extension
    Where did Boras say that?
    Offering a player on another team an extension is tampering.

    john March 14, 2007, 1:58 pm
  • He hasn’t said it. I’m just telling you how things are going to go down the line. You think for one second that there wasn’t tampering going on with JD Drew opting out of HIS contract this off-season?
    It just magically turned out that one team (the SOX) were willing to up his price a few million a year?

    walein March 14, 2007, 2:03 pm
  • It was all a hypothetical, John.
    A-Rod in his initial interviews on the subject said he was happy being a Yankee and basically deflected all option-related questions as if the option did not exist. I think his position (ultimatum or not, at least the implication that if the fans don’t treat him with a modicum of respect, he will go elsewhere) is entirely reasonable. The only problem is that he should have stated it from the beginning.

    Paul SF March 14, 2007, 2:04 pm
  • Wow, even when you’re wrong on the basic facts, Paul, you still troll on.
    Alex said flat out – “I know what’s in my contract” and elaborated that the possibility exists for a reason and that it will be revisited at the right time – after the season. Then he reiterated his intention to be a NY Yankee. Find the interview and listen for a change.
    And yesterday he expanded on a simple thought – either he’ll stay and be successful (which he has every intention of doing) or he’ll be run out of town. That’s a pretty accurate assessment of what will happen.
    Somehow the AP managed to get the story straight. I guess when you rely on Post for news, it’s not too suprising when you get it wrong. I hate to hear you discuss anything of substance though.

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 2:20 pm
  • Jesus you’re an ass Jim, do you notice how the rest of us discuss and debate without attacking each other?
    Just try it, I’m sure you have some valid positions, but you don’t have to such a dick about it.

    LocklandSF March 14, 2007, 2:23 pm
  • Alright, enough of this attacking Paul for being angry. If you are a frequenter of this site, you’d know that Paul has presented some of the most thorough, analytical, and sensitive pieces about both the Sox and the Yankees. I am frankly tired of fans of both the Sox and Yanks using single posts to try to characterize the authors as being of a certain unitary mindset. That is hardly accurate.
    The collection of pieces that we all have written should serve as better indicators of our general attitude towards the teams we love as well as their rivals. In reviewing these, I think it would be apparent that all of us here at YFSF are pretty much in love with the game and the rivalry, and that anger is a momentary emotion that very rarely plays into our discussions but that none of us are immune to. It’s not absent, by no means is that the claim, but it’s certainly infrequent and anomalous.

    SF March 14, 2007, 2:27 pm
  • when a-rod (or as i like to call him “Mrs. Inevitable”) was traded to the yankees the rangers got soriano and a PTBNL. the rangers choices of PTBNL were…. ramon ramirez, rudy guillen, joaquin arias and robinson cano.
    knowing what we know now, would YF’s been ok with soriano and cano for a-rod?

    sf rod March 14, 2007, 2:28 pm
  • Stupid Texas…I like Kinsler but he’s no Cano. Was Arias more highly regarded then Cano at the time of the trade? Or are the Rangers just that incompetent? Their talent evaluation doesn’t seem too strong of late…See: Chris Young and Adrian Gonzalez for Otsuka and 2 months of Adam Eaton. In a couple years…that might be up there in the annals of historically bad deals.

    desturbd1 March 14, 2007, 2:36 pm
  • Lockland – Relax. Take a deep breath. I understand it’s difficult to master your anger. But it is only a game after all.
    SF – I reserve the right to criticize when folks have their basic facts wrong. If anything, Paul needs to take a breather. I think his anger is getting he best of him.
    SF rod – Finally an interesting thought. But yeah, even now. Two 2B for the greatest player of this generation. It’s at least a bit more balanced for Texas. I think that’s a nice deal. Soriano still hasn’t proven he can play the OF – so what’s his true value? And Cano has been more of a pleasant surprise than anything. But he’s got to keep up his second half performance.

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 2:45 pm
  • Man, Cashman really robbed Texas. It amazes me every time I think about it. Let’s see what it looked like from a 2003 angle: Texas wanted to get rid of its huge contract however it could. So they agree to pay basically a third of A-Rod’s remaining salary, while taking on an arbitration-eligible superstar who was going to be a free agent in a couple years, and some mediocre prospects.
    We YFs did get lucky that Texas didn’t want Cano (maybe because they already had Kinsler), at that time Cano wasn’t really highly regarded, by really anyone including the Yankees. We’ve been lucky with our team’s deals, that none of our prospects dealt in recent years have turned into servicable players, maybe with the exception of back-of-the-rotation guy Jake Westbrook and backup catcher-caliber Dioner Navarro. Juan Rivera might count too, but he and Nick Johnson were both already major league players, if just not as good as they are today.

    Andrew March 14, 2007, 3:19 pm
  • If ARod would just provide the following answers, it would shut all the critics up forever, as there would be nothing more to say about him that he hadn’t already said himself:
    – I’m overpaid;
    – I’m a head case;
    – I fall apart in clutch situations;
    – Derek Jeter is a big jerk;
    – Of course I wear blue-tinted lipstick;
    – I carry an invisible purse everywhere I go.

    Hudson March 14, 2007, 3:38 pm
  • Dioner’s a starter. And he will be for many years to come. Instead they’ll have Todd Pratt on the opening day roster.
    Westbrook would have been useful the last few years.
    But I think the point is more that Cashman seldom trades prospects because of the risk. Instead he holds them close and pets them like Lenny until they either thrive (Wang, Cano, Melky) or die.
    Then this off-season when he should have moved a prospect or two for a Broussard-type at 1B, he didn’t. Cashman just doesn’t trade prospects unless there seems to be a clear win (Justice, Rocket, Alex, Unit, Abreu) because of the salary involved.
    The one time he tried to moved prospects for prospects, he got burned badly (Vazquez for Stick and Rivera). Interestingly, he hasn’t tried that since. I think that stance hurt them in CF for 2004-2005, and may this year for 1B.

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 3:38 pm
  • Yeah Hudson–
    I think that strategy only works for Eminem in the movie “8Mile.”

    walein March 14, 2007, 3:55 pm
  • angry paul- any last thoughts you can tip me in on before i pencil in memphis over the mean green machine?

    sf rod March 14, 2007, 3:55 pm
  • Sorry SF Rod, I’m just so incomprehensively angry I don’t even know what you’re talking about.
    Not that it’s worth my time to respond, but here’s the A-Rod quote that I was referring to when I said he should have just acknowledged up front that he might exercise his option instead of dancing around the issue:
    “I want to be a Yankee and I understand my contract and I understand my options. My goal is to go in with Derek and Mo and open the new stadium. It’s pretty clear.”

    Paul SF March 14, 2007, 4:18 pm
  • Heh. I’m so angry, I used a word that doesn’t even exist. Incomprehensively? Hmm.

    Paul SF March 14, 2007, 4:28 pm
  • “The only beef I have is why not say that right away, instead of playing all this “Option? What option?” crap.” – Paul 12:34pm
    “I was referring to when I said he should have just acknowledged up front that he might exercise his option instead of dancing around the issue” – Paul 4:18 pm
    Which is it Paul? Either he didn’t acknowledge the option or he did and didn’t say that could exercise it. How many quotes you want to take out of context to support your flaky, and jumping, assumptions?
    Fact is: He acknowledged his options at the same time he reiterated what he wants. Still, you can’t fault a man for not knowing what happens a year from now – try as you might. He was as consistent one month ago as he was yesterday.
    He wants to be a Yankee. He has options. End of story until October.
    What’s so hard about that for you and the Post/Daily News crowd?

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 4:31 pm
  • It’s amazing, Jim, that you nitpick a comment in which I supported your guy. A-Rod took a stance nearly universally considered at the time to be avoiding the topic. He essentially acknowledged the option existed but then answered questions about it as if it didn’t, simply saying, “I want to be a Yankee, finish my career as a Yankee.” One can believe this, as far as it goes, but most commenters here agreed that A-Rod would exercise his option under many different circumstances.
    Now, he’s saying something markedly different — and markedly more accurate. He wants to remain a Yankee, IF he gets the respect from the fans he deserves, if his time in New York improves, etc. This is what everyone surmised anyway. It would have been better to have been up front about it to start with.

    Paul SF March 14, 2007, 4:44 pm
  • End of story until October
    We have a winner of the “naive comment of the day” award.

    SF March 14, 2007, 4:44 pm
  • sfrod: Re Sori+Cano for ARod? Good question. At the time, I don’t think Cano would have registered on my radar regarding the trade. We’ll see if Joaquin Arias starts tearing it up for Texas this year to make the question even more interesting.
    Jim’s follow-up:
    > Two 2B for (ARod)… Soriano still hasn’t proven he can play the OF – so what’s his true value?
    Some may question whether Sori ever proved he could play 2nd either. Anyway, he’s proven himself enough in LF for Lou to shift him to CF, and that’s good enough for me. From what I recall (mostly) reading and (some) watching), his early adjustments to LF were painful to witness, but by the second half of the season with the Nats, he was above average defensively and his arm is positively deadly. John Walsh of the Hardball Times said, “a perfect ranking system would probably rank Soriano as the top left field thrower in 2006.”
    > And Cano has been more of a pleasant surprise than anything.
    I suppose if you are comparing his 06 stats to his career minor league stats, yes, I suppose that’s a “pleasant surprise”, but that reads like a euphemism and it’s a curious turn of phrase to use there for a guy who finished third in the batting race.
    > But he’s got to keep up his second half performance.
    Pre AS: .325/.353/.439
    Post AS: .365/.380/.635
    11 HRs after the break. 1046 OPS in September.
    Asking him to keep up his second half performance is a bit much. His season-performance, sprinkled with a dose of plate discipline, would have me thrilled and would be far better than a “pleasant surprise.”

    attackgerbil March 14, 2007, 4:51 pm
  • You’re simply wrong on the basic facts, Paul. Universally nothing. Folks truly listening heard him for what he said. He wants to be a Yankee. He has options. That’s it. Nothing’s changed, unless you’re reading the Post or the Daily News. From your own adherence to the truth, that seems to be your standard for news and quotes.
    You listen to any of his comments and it’s very clear: He wants to be a Yankee. He has options. There’s nothing more to be said until October. Those basic facts won’t be changing. But I waste my breath. You’ll keep reading the rags for the “changing” story. Have fun with that.

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 4:53 pm
  • paul- i was refering to the NCAA tournament. 15 seed north texas takes on the 2 seed memphis. i like north texas alot, but to pick them to upset the 2 seed could be bracket suicide. i just figured the panhandle would be abuzz with mean green hype.
    when you get done eating puppies, and kicking cheesburgers, you should watch that game. north texas puts up a lot of points and loves to run.

    sf rod March 14, 2007, 4:57 pm
  • Cano’s true value is all in the SLG. Greater than .500 and he’s an All-star year after year for 2B. Under .500 and he’s just another average 2B.
    That’s the pleasant surprise, considering his mL numbers (in six seasons) showed a .425 SLG. And that’s what he demonstrated in the second half, as your numbers show. Again, the question is greater than .500 SLG – that’s the threshold, all else being equal.
    Soriano in CF is a mistake. By July it’s Felix Pie in CF and Soriano back to LF. He’s shown he can throw out runners, but his range is terrible.

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 5:03 pm
  • Paul, Oh no, it’s happening again. You’re turning green and your nice button down and jeans are torn again!

    Nick-YF March 14, 2007, 5:03 pm
  • Ever been to China? I hear dog is actually pretty good…
    Clearly, Jim adheres to the “you’re on the other side of the aisle, everything you say about anything, ever, is completely wrong; respect is for little pansies; once I form an opinion nothing will ever change it” school of debate. Got a real future with the RNC; they’re always looking for guys to hammer the same inane, nitpicky, or just plain wrong “facts” over and over again, and if you can repeat the same tired phrase ad infinitum, well, that’s an added bonus. (See: flip-flop, Inevitable, “He wants to be a Yankee, he has options, end of story until October,” Iraq-Osama, and Fox’s latest: Osama-Obama-Madrassa-in-Indonesia)

    desturbd1 March 14, 2007, 5:07 pm
  • A-Rod is a great player.
    But he’s such a mental pussy. Comes off as a whiny little bastard whenever he talks, and he cares way too much. The difference between him and guys like Papi or Pujols is that the other guys have ice water running through their veins. If they get the big hit, great. If not, it happens.

    Steve March 14, 2007, 5:09 pm
  • You know a thread is in trouble when people who can barely read the Post start drawing comparisons to politics.
    But I hear Jason Varitek is a fantastic catcher!
    Nothing quite like the blind leading the deaf.

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 5:12 pm
  • “The difference between him and guys like Papi or Pujols is that the other guys have ice water running through their veins. If they get the big hit, great. If not, it happens.”
    Except, you know, they actually do get the big hit.

    LocklandSF March 14, 2007, 5:15 pm
  • The difference for you, Steve, is that A-Rod is on the Yankees. It’s interesting that you include Pujols in the discussion, didn’t you hear his whinefest when he didn’t get the MVP this year? Even Papi said something after 2005. If you want to talk whining, look at your own Manny and Schilling. Schilling is more of a whiner than all these guys combined.

    Andrew March 14, 2007, 5:15 pm
  • Come on Andrew, body of work, Papi made some dumb comments, but for him it was the exception to the rule by far.

    LocklandSF March 14, 2007, 5:20 pm
  • Yup, Papi carried you guys right to the playoffs last year.
    Oh wait.

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 5:21 pm
  • I know that, but I’m saying that even the most respected players aren’t above ‘whining’ now and again. Steve’s comments are a little over-the-top, and he definitely wouldn’t be saying that about A-Rod if he were on the Sox.

    Andrew March 14, 2007, 5:22 pm
  • You bet Andrew. Like when Schilling was thinking “anything but fastball here.” And instead he trusted his catcher and “the inevitable” happened. That sack of crap blamed his mistake on his catcher!

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 5:24 pm
  • Andrew, come on…Pujols was right about the MVP. He’s a superior player to Ryan Howard in almost every way, but since Howard hit a couple more dingers and had a shred more RBI (probably only because Pujols missed a couple weeks,) he won it. People ignore the fact that Pujols is a better runner, defender, and far more polished at the plate (Howard strikes out 150 times compared to Albert’s 50.)
    The difference for me isn’t that A-Rod is on the Yankees. No other player comes off like he does in the media. Whether it’s saying stupid crap like he doesn’t understand why people hate him, maybe it’s because he’s good looking? Or talking about how he never sleeps over at Jeter’s place anymore…it’s just all whiny crap.
    The reason I don’t have a problem with Schilling is because he says things and doesn’t care what people thinks. A-Rod CLEARLY cares, he keeps going up front to try and get people to like him. It ain’t gonna happen. What he’s got to do is stop caring, stop putting on makeup, and go out there and play the game. The latter one he’s always done, it’s the first two that are the problems.

    Steve March 14, 2007, 5:26 pm
  • I always thought Schilling was seen as more of a blowhard; not a whiner, just someone who talks a lot and complains when things don’t go well. Doesn’t really bother me, even though I hate his politics, but I can see it pissing other people off. Manny’s clearly a nutjob; I don’t like giving him a pass but c’mon, he’s a loon.
    A-Rod’s whining is a little different from Ortiz and Pujols. The latter two were one-time things; it was very distasteful, and I wasn’t one of the ones defending Ortiz’s comments at the time, but in the long-run their complaints had more to do with egotism and frustration then anything else. Body of work, and all that. A-Rod’s whining is more a constant body-language type thing, and since it’s perceived to be a product of a mental instability that actually affects his play on the field, (supposedly) it turns into a bigger deal.
    At least, that’s how I see it; Pujols and Ortiz were acting like entitled d*cks but don’t usually behave that way, A-Rod just seems like a chronic moper. Much of it is the media’s fault, but there’s just something about his body language and the general feeling of many of his quotes that just seems…sad. But again, who knows what my perception might be if he wasn’t asked the same f*cking questions over and over again; that crap would make me sad, too.
    PS: Jim, NOBODY has agreed with you on this. Just drop it already.

    desturbd1 March 14, 2007, 5:27 pm
  • SF Rod, Texas is all abuzz with the tournament, all right, but when UT, A&M AND Tech are ALL in there, and all fairly highly seeded, the UNT contingent tends to get drowned out a bit.
    Myself, I know UNT from battling with them as a college newspaper editor in the intercollegiate journalism competitions. Good times. Plus my college roommate’s wife is a grad student there. It’s cool to see schools like them and Central Connecticut in the tournament. It’d be awesome to see CCSU take down a No. 1.

    Paul SF March 14, 2007, 5:27 pm
  • Hypothetical question for YFs, Game 7 of the World Series, Yankees are up in the bottom of the 8th, down by 2 runs, 2 out, bases loaded, who would you rather have at the plate Arod or Papi?

    LocklandSF March 14, 2007, 5:28 pm
  • Pujols. Your question is meaningless.

    Andrew March 14, 2007, 5:31 pm
  • That’s why it’s called hypothetical Andrew.

    LocklandSF March 14, 2007, 5:32 pm
  • Same question for Sox fans: Who would you rather have up in the same situation: Papi or Manny?

    Nick-YF March 14, 2007, 5:35 pm
  • Then you can’t really expect to conclude anything from it, can you?
    Who would you rather have on your team for the rest of their career, perm-DH Ortiz or future HOF-er and excellent fielder when he’s not in his head A-Rod? I know my answer.

    Andrew March 14, 2007, 5:36 pm
  • I’d think a better question would be whether YF’s would prefer A-Rod over another Yankee. I’m guessing most would put Jeter at the top…but I do wonder what the rankings would look like. I’m not even sure how I’d order the guys in Boston, either; Ortiz’d be first, Manny second, but that’s about as far as I can go without really thinking about it. (Ignoring the handedness of the pitcher, of course)

    desturbd1 March 14, 2007, 5:37 pm
  • Tough call, in Yankee Stadium I would say Papi, if it were Fenway, I would have to go with Manny.

    LocklandSF March 14, 2007, 5:37 pm
  • Drop what? Mr. Inevitable. Nah, that’s too good to ever drop. Plus it gives me reason to watch Beckett more closely this year.
    All I know: Your pitching goes south when Mr. Inevitable is named captain. A specific pitcher gives up twice as many homers because he trusts the knowledge of the catcher. And now a borderline HOF pitcher basically says he can trust the advice of his catcher (except you know, 99% of the time).
    And me, I’m not looking for anyone around here to agree with me. I’m just channeling truth to the ignorant masses. You know, the ones who if asked would have said Varitek is much better than Jorge at throwing out runners.

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 5:38 pm
  • Who is pitching?

    SF March 14, 2007, 5:40 pm
  • Tough one, that, Nick. Both make contact on a regular basis. Papi walks more, though partly because Manny is behind him for protection. Neither strikes out a lot — both hover around 100. Papi’s got the clutch persona, which I think gets into pitcher’s heads and leads to wildness and the resulting meatballs that he crushes, thus adding to his legend. Manny can crush any pitch at any time (Ortiz has issues on inside breaking pitches), and the fact that he’s somehow underrated might work in his favor. He also doesn’t have to deal with an overshift that takes away potential base hits.
    Throwing out all the stats, though, I’d be less nervous with Ortiz at the dish, so I guess I pick him. (My head says Manny, my heart says Papi). The best part though is that they’re BOTH on the Sox. :-D

    Paul SF March 14, 2007, 5:40 pm
  • If it’s a lefty, I’d rather have A-Rod up over Ortiz. Seriously. And that’s a good question you ask, SF.
    First situation: Mariano
    Second: Billy Wagner

    Nick-YF March 14, 2007, 5:42 pm
  • All this Manny and Papi discussion made me realize why Sox fans are so angry. Their team has two of the top three hitters in the whole game during their prime, and they’ll only have one ring to show for it.
    Meanwhile, the 1996-2001 Yankees had not one superstar hitter, and yet they managed to pull down four tasty rings.
    And for the record, I want Miguel Cairo batting in clutch spot.

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 5:43 pm
  • I’m going to need to go home and check, but I’m pretty sure Ortiz was still among the league leaders in slugging vs. lefties last year.

    Paul SF March 14, 2007, 5:44 pm
  • And Paul nails it! He’s happy to have them on the team. But angry, very angry, with the results.
    BTW: Joe Torre thinks you should be happy.

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 5:45 pm
  • Nick, I used that situation specifically because that’s where I think Arod’s head takes away from his ability a bit, that would be my fear.
    So, in both the Mariano and Wagner situation, I stay with Papi over Arod.
    Now, Papi vs. Manny in those situations, well, that a little more complicated, give me a minute.

    LocklandSF March 14, 2007, 5:46 pm
  • Wait, I just re-read your question, Nick. Are you saying that Manny and Papi are on the Yankees? ;-)
    I think at this point I’d probably take Manny in both scenarios. Is that blasphemy?
    I don’t love the Ortiz/Wagner matchup (though Wagner did give up a bomb to Barry Bonds last year to famously blow a game for the Mets – small sample size, no doubt). As for Rivera, ugh. I know the Sox have done better than most against him, but I don’t think, in the end, there’s a right answer to this hypothetical. Can I pick Mark Bellhorn?

    SF March 14, 2007, 5:46 pm
  • Jesus Jim, you’re like herpes, just give it a rest already.

    LocklandSF March 14, 2007, 5:48 pm
  • Lockland = angry. Once again, deep breath. Relax.

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 5:50 pm
  • Jim, I’ll just say that you really are one hell of a troll. Not only do you take things out of context, make assumptions left and right, and insult as justification, but to top it off, you’re not even funny.
    Congrats. You have successfully nailed the trolling Triple Crown.
    For your ignorance, Beckett shook off Varitek a TON last year. He’s publicly stated this ST that the best thing Matsuzaka could ever do is listen to and trust Varitek, and he’s also stated that he plans to do that more often. Beckett has called all responsibility for over-reliance on his hard 4-seamer on HIMSELF, often calling himself boneheaded or thick.
    Your argument has no merit. Crawl back in your hole, because nobody’s going to give you the time of day any longer.

    Steve March 14, 2007, 5:53 pm
  • Ortiz was 16th in baseball (10th in the AL)in OPS last year vs. lefties (.988). Ramirez was third (1.098!). So, yeah. Manny against the lefty. Ortiz (1.082) against the righty, and definitely in Yankee Stadium.

    Paul SF March 14, 2007, 5:53 pm
  • I think we can all agree at this point on a “No Feeding” policy, rational YFs and SFs alike.

    Paul SF March 14, 2007, 5:54 pm
  • Paul, now what about A-Rod versus Ortiz against lefties. Historically and even recently, he’s been stronger against them. If that’s how your basing your decision to put Manny up instead of Ortiz.

    Nick-YF March 14, 2007, 5:58 pm
  • And how sir do you explain the Sox pitching nosedive in 2005-06?
    Me, I really hope that DM “trusts” Mr. Inevitable. And Beckett, maybe he can triple his career HR rate. Schilling, we already know what he’ll be doing.
    And I hope the Yanks finally run on Tek at will.
    By the way, don’t flatter your team when it’s not justified. Mo has had a harder time with Baltimore and Cleveland than he has with the Sox.

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 6:00 pm
  • i’ll take sandy alomar jr., luis gonzalez, bill mueller, ortiz, and ortiz again. but i’m sure posada had something to do with those.

    sf rod March 14, 2007, 6:07 pm
  • ARod did hit better against lefties in 2006 than Ortiz, and I feel slightly dirty saying this, I would probably take ARod in a trade with Papi straight up based on stats alone.
    But Papi’s clutch factor — to whatever extent you believe in clutch — is far higher than ARod’s, both in late innings during the regular season and at any time in the postseason. There’s plenty of sample size issues there, and I do not for a second believe ARod is somehow unclutch. I just believe Papi is more clutch.
    Also, Papi’s clubhouse presence is unmatched. So now that I’ve shifted the question to one of a trade, I’ll say that I pick Papi over ARod in that sense, and Papi over ARod in the general scenario Lockland proposed. In general, against lefties, I would prefer ARod. Not sure I’d trust him late and close though.

    Paul SF March 14, 2007, 6:08 pm
  • And sf rod with the least well-thought out post of the day! Check the numbers, tough guy.
    The Sox have been a relative cake walk for Mo. 2.61 ERA in 82.2 IP. The Angels, no surprise, are actually his toughest team (3.94 ERA in 45.2 IP).

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 6:13 pm
  • “And how sir do you explain the Sox pitching nosedive in 2005-06?”
    Injuries. Everybody went down except Beckett, and Beckett’s was because he threw too many 4-seamers, which was HIS CALL, which he has taken responsibility for. On top of his homers, he still had the 4th best BAA allowed in the AL, and still missed a lot of bats.
    No team except for Boston has ever had legitmate sustained success against Mo. Don’t flatter your team when it’s not justified. With that rotation, if I were you, I’d be staying quiet.
    That’ll be the last response you ever get out of me, or anyone else. Feeding the trolls does get old.
    As far as trading A-Rod for Papi straight up, no. Intangibles matter. A-Rod hasn’t proven he can handle a hostile environment well…the guy can play, but I don’t want those kind of distractions, especially when you’re considering trading one of Boston’s biggest sports icons ever.
    In a clutch situation against a righty, I’ll take Papi all day. Against a lefty, it’d be tough, but since we have Manny, is it really a question? Go with him.

    Steve March 14, 2007, 6:17 pm
  • Injuires don’t explain it all – like the young guns who promptly sucked under the guidance of Mr. Inevitable.
    And it’s amazing how many people throw out crap without checking the numbers – Mo has done very well against Boston, thanks. Much better than against Baltimore, Cleveland, or Seattle, or the Angels.
    And the Yankee rotation I feel very good about, especially since they have about five league average arms in AAA. And that’s besides Hughes and Clemens. The Sox meanwhile have Lester and ???
    I bet we’ll see that RSN anger mighty strong though when Schilling throws a seven inning April gem, and your bullpen pisses it away.
    A-Rod vs. Papi is a no-brainer. One is a first ballot HOFer. The other is this generation’s Jim Rice. And you all will be whining in 2027 why both aren’t in the HOF.

    Jim - YF March 14, 2007, 6:24 pm
  • Last night’s thread was intense. I come home to this and I am glad baseball is coming.

    Rob March 14, 2007, 6:25 pm
  • Andrew- The worst part about this as Kay talked about today, was that Alex collected himself and said let me think about what I am about to say. This was not off the top of his head, this is something he thought about saying. He volunteered his time to be on the show, he wasn’t forced. This wasn’t after the game in the locker room. This was A-Rod, uncut and raw…..To leave his status up to the fans? Come on man. I will never question his performance on the field, but off the field this guy is a walking accident. Jeter and Moose were both on the show today and they BOTH answered what they thought was pertinent and didn’t leak any insider stuff or get negative. He should stick to playing baseball and stop trying to win over the world, not everyone hearts A-Rod.
    On that note due to the fact that I am sick and tired of the A-Rod off the field circus I am looking into a new name. Any suggestions? LOL.

    Triskaidekaphobia March 14, 2007, 6:49 pm
  • lol, Trisk, how about:
    Arachibutyrophobia
    Fear of peanut butter sticking to the roof of your mouth

    Paul SF March 14, 2007, 6:52 pm
  • A-Rod needs someone like Joe Torre or even Joe Girardi to take him under his wing and tell him every day how great he is. Sheff used to sometimes do that, with good results.
    Sure, A-Rod has more talent than Ortiz, which is not a knock on Ortiz. I’d trade them one-up because Ortiz is a leader and a hitter instead of a distraction, and does his job every year. It’s not like I’m proposing A-Rod for Coco.

    john March 14, 2007, 10:00 pm
  • Wow, Karstens is quietly winning a roster spot on the team. Word has it he has a revamped fastball around 91-92mph, and apparently it’s showing. Could be an effective back-of-the-rotation guy, or excellent trade bait. :)

    Andrew March 14, 2007, 10:29 pm
  • I think The only way The Redsox nation and Fans to stop hating on the Yankees and be happy is that The Redsox win all 26 titles in the 21st century and Yankees are in world series drought for 86 years.

    Jb March 14, 2007, 11:22 pm

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