Give that handsome man a key to The City. And bring on Texas.
He deserves it. He went outside of his normal self tonight, and for it should be congratulated.
Congrats to the Yanks, for winning what I had thought an impossible number of wins in this series.
The Sox need to shake it off, and focus on smallball again. I can’t say that I agree with Brad-SF, but I understand what he is feeling.(referencing his post in the previous thread)
what do you mean…the Bellhorn thing?
Yeah, the K’s look terrible, but are they really? Wouldn’t you have rather seen Bellhorn strike out than Cora GDP? I know I would’ve.
I dunno man. I know the double play was a terrible thing to have happen (if it actually even happened), but Bill Meuller has more DP than anyone in the league, and we forgive him because of good defense and solid hitting. If Cora can make contact with the ball half the time, it’s an upgrade. I know Coras’ not the long time answer to the Sox second base problem, but his defense is better, and he looks worlds ahead of Bellhorn at the plate. I’m just sick of it I guess, and while I hate to be down on the Sox players, I simply can’t get past his terrible shortcomings. He makes some good plays on defense, but he’s not good enough there to overcome his below average AB’s. I don’t want a superstar there or anything, just somone average, with average power and contact ability and solid defense. He is batting .115 since this time in June….115! I’m not alone on this one; Every sox fan I know feels this way.
Yeah – I was referring to the Bellhorn/Millar post. Just standing up for you.
At this point, Bellhorn’s everyday appearance in the lineup is not justifiable, even by his walks. His OBP is still crappy, even with all of those BBs, and he’s an average fielder, not a good one. He no longer deserves to play. Last year his Ks were sustainable, because he was productive when he wasn’t whiffing. Not this year. And Alex Cora is not the answer either. This is a problem position for the Red Sox and Epstein.
SF, I could not agree more – can you tell? I don’t think Cora’s the answer either, but at least it’s better for now.
Hold on a minute here. Bellhorn has an OPS of .688. That’s bad…but it doesn’t make him the worst 2B in the league. It certainly doesn’t make him the worst number nine hitter in the league. Plus he makes under $3M.
Meanwhile, Renteria makes almost three times as much and has an OPS which is only marginally better (.716). What the OPS numbers don’t show is the GIDP’s: Renteria has 13, Bellhorn has just 4. Maybe those K’s aren’t so bad…
I only see the Sox when they play the Yanks, but I didn’t see Bellhorn throw any balls away.
As for offense, the Sox have 503 runs, the Yanks 499.
Now Millar …
The post had some interesting things to say about best 3 and 4 hitters http://www.nypost.com/sports/50292.htm Ortiz had 8 rbis in the 4 games
The Yankees next opponent has 492 runs.
Earl, you’re way off base here.
Rent has more GIDP because he actually makes contact with the ball! He’s easily the worst four spot in the league, and if you think I’m wrong head over to the horn and see what the stat dorks say about it…
It’s hard to hit into double plays when you cant ever touch the ball….and since when has this offense lowered its standards to the point that we are happy to have a strike out 109 times over a few double plays.
In case you were not watching, Rent hit some balls pretty hard this weekend, and minus the time Bellhorn found ont in his unchangeable swing pattern, he hit nothing but air.
I hate him on this team, and if you think the 3m is a big deal, I say turn to the Yankees and look what they did to solve the 2B woes. The answer is in the sytem already. Both Pedroia and Ramirez are better offensively and defensively than Bellhorn, which is exactly why they are both still there, but that set aside – Bill Meuller and Kevin Youkilis are a much better lineup than having him in there.
Youre way off base here man, and trust me, I HATE to ever say anything about the players and I constantly try to support them no matter what – but, it’s been a long 300 wiffs by bellhorn in the last year and a half.
ont = one
PS. I stand by my stement that the Sox give away an entire inning worth out outs every time they start Bellhorn, and if they lose, they deserve it. It’s Theo’s responsibility, and through all he has done right, and unlike the Yankee fans with Cashman, I will throw bad GM decisions under the bus – and this is a big one
If the “stats dorks” are really saying that contact is the difference between the two…well, they’re wrong.
Bellhorn has 283 AB, and has struck out 109 times. So he’s made contact 174 times. So he’s batting .351 when he puts the ball in play. With only a 2.2% chance of GIDP.
Renteria has 346 AB, and has struck out 54 times. He’s made contact 295 times. When he makes contact, he bats .322, with a 4.4% chance of GIDP.
In other words, Renteria has made contact 68% more than Bellhorn. Yet he GIDP’s 225% more. So contact hitting does not explain it.
Look, my point isn’t to defend Bellhorn — and I’m aware he’s in an atrocious slump right now. But he’s hardly the Sox’s biggest problem right now.
Well, those are good stats, and if you are happy with him, you can have him. But myself, and every other sox fan with eyeballs wants him gone. Also, Rent comes with a couple gold gloves and a knack for coming up in big spots – so I’ll give him some time to get back up to average. As for the strikeout king, he’s had his time, and it blew by him…swinging
Oh well man, it’s proably all for nill. It seems that Bellhorn does something (and I don’t see it) to please the brass. I watch every single game, and I go to my fair share, and it just seems all I ever see is what I’ve expressed here. Maybe Theo knows something that the rest of us don’t, I just wish share it!
Besides, theres enough to argue about on here lately without SF’s going at it over Bellhorn – the argument is as useless as him.
I’m off to bed, hopefully tonight I’ll wake to a nice win v. TB – but if the Yank games are any indication, they love to be the spoilers this year.
Not sure where I said I am “happy with him”. I simply said the Sox have much more pressing problems than a weak-hitting number nine hitter. It would seem that Theo agrees; and In Theo We Trust.
Also, you can be pretty sure Rent’s not getting another Gold Glove this season: he leads MLB shortstops in errors, with 17 (tied with Julio Lugo, who has 100 more TC).
Well, Bellhorn’s on the DL, so you got your wish. But I can guarantee that, after two weeks of watching Cora “hit”, “every other sox fan with eyeballs” will be delighted to have Bellhorn back.
Nope, Earl. We’ll be delighted when neither Cora nor Bellhorn are back.
No argument here, if there’s someone else to play 2B. Who do we get? Do we call up someone? Can Youk play second? [Terry had this to say: “We’ve talked to Billy. We’re not going to put Bill Mueller at second anymore.”]
Well, Cora had two hits when I came into work, so he’s already better in my eyes. Also, for what it’s worth: Rem and Orsillo said that Youk took practice at the position, and since Pedroia was hit by a pitch on the wrist the other day, Hanley has been moved to the four spot.
It seemed to me that tonight during his interview, Francona said the words long term second baseman when talking about Hanley, so hopefully, they have given up on Bellhorn.
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