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Another Day, Another Ridiculous Way to Lose: A’s-Sox Gamer IX

Well, at least the offense appears to have broken out of its slump, right? Maybe this time all facets of the Sox' game will work at the same time. Stranger things have happened. Comment away!

45 replies on “Another Day, Another Ridiculous Way to Lose: A’s-Sox Gamer IX”

man we dont have hardees around here, i miss the monster burger, even though i havent ate fast food in a year i would hammer a few of them down.

I got the double thickburger with bacon, and I had a coupon for free bacon ranch fries. They’re both tremendous.
Hey Ellsbury, let’s get things started.

Pitcher hurt his back after that pitch. Trainers out to take a look at him.
That would certainly increase our chances of coming back.

Keep in mind this is the pitcher that threw a 2-hit shutout the last time he was here.
Ellsbury walks. Nice. Steal 2nd!

Youk walks! Let’s get some runs damnit.
It’s official: Freddy Sanchez is a Giant.

SHIT YEAH REVERSE JINX! Eck talking about how Lowell hasn’t homered in a LONG time, and he crushed a 3-run blast to the deep part of the monster. 5-3.

shit i was gonna go watch pawtucket play tonight but didnt want to sit in the rain. i porbably shuold have opted for the rain.

Oh shit, that guy from the Sopranos (and the first Matrix) is in the booth talking about how he’s an alcoholic, and talking about erectile dysfunction. I totally tuned in at a weird time.

Part of me thinks the only thing that gives the Sox a chance this season is Halladay. 3/5 of the rotation as good as it gets, and a rotation locked in for 2010 that is just fantastic. I’d be ok with Theo trading from strength, the farm, to nab this guy. It would be a treat to see a great pitcher in Fenway, hell, to see three phenomenal pitchers go 5 of every 7 nights a week. A good portion of my brain tells me this is a no-brainer.
The other part of me thinks they should go the other way, and look to trade Jason Bay, who may not be back next year, who frankly doesn’t appear to be an elite playe. Or maybe even Jonathan Papelbon, who seems destined to kiss Boston goodbye when he’s earned his free agency, and slot Bard in at closer, even if this is premature. This part of me has a strange yearning for a team in contention (or even out of contention) and reliant on the young and more innocent, an August and September that is about seeing young kids grow and develop (Lowrie, Buchholz, Bard) into longer-term contributors. I don’t think the Sox can have it both ways, though, make a couple of minor moves and think everyone will turn it around. That, to me, has the makings of an excruciating two months, a six to eight game division loss, and no future in the playoffs. The team looks moribund, schizophrenic (a great young core and too many old slow guys in seeming decline). I am not sure that what we are seeing right now is a slump or, scarily, what we’ve got.
I hope Theo commits to one of the plans, and doesn’t try to walk a tightrope.

SF, Beckett, Lester, and Buchholz could be pretty good too – as good as CC, Dickhole, and Joba.
I like the idea of trading Papelbon.

I don’t say that about Papelbon because I don’t like him either. It that he’s likely overvalued.
Papelbon and Bowden or Tazawa for Martinez?

I’ve let my husband know that I am leaving him for Mike Lowell if Lowell comes through.

He’s a fantastic closer who overvalues himself. He wants KRod money, when not even KRod is worth KRod money.

Closers are valuable, but not THAT valuable. A closer shouldn’t make more than 10m a year, in my opinion.

I agree completely. It’s the Yankees fault. They should have capped Mo at $11 or 12 million but given four years.

He may not be worth the money, but having him for that amount of money is better than not having him at all. So, in that sense, it’s still worth it.

He wouldn’t have taken $12 million/year?
According to fangraphs, he’s only been worth $12 million once since 2002 and that was last year.
No pitcher is worth $250k an inning. CC makes less than half that.

No pitcher is worth $250k an inning. CC makes less than half that.
This, so very much this.

I’m fine with my team paying the greatest reliever ever $250K an inning. It’s worth it to me, clearly it’s worth it to them. There are different standards of ‘worth’.
Of course he’s not worth whatever FanGraphs uses as their evaluation methods. Very few elite players, especially relievers, who make it to free agency are.
Again, having him at a premium is better than not having him at all. That’s not the case with the Red Sox and Papelbon, I agree.

I don’t think ANY reliever is worth that much, because they play such a trivial part of the game.
There are roughly 1458 innings in a season, not counting playoffs (and ignoring the fact that some games only go 8 innings). Last year Mo pitched 70 innings, or 4.8% of the season. He also made 15 million, or 7.2% of the team’s 209m payroll.
But that’s just Mo, whose value is easiest to defend. My argument is that relievers in general should not be paid so much. Last year Trevor Hoffman made 7.5m, or 10.3% of the Padres payroll.
K-Rod makes a little over 12m a year for the Mets, or 8.1% of their payroll.
Papelbon is still uber-cheap, and made 775,000 last year. That’s 0.58% of the team payroll.

To clarify: “trivial” is not the most accurate word. I guess I meant “small part” of the game, no matter the fact that it’s usually the part of the game that the team is winning by 3 or less runs.
I would also revise my statement to say that I don’t think a reliever should make more than 7.5m. I’m not knocking Mo, because if there ever was an exception to this rule it would be him.

But they’re showy and sexy! Why pay based on actual results when you can pay for their image?

There’s at least some evidence, though, that for whatever reason, even though it defies rational analysis, some pitchers just perform better in the traditional closer’s role, and that they perform worse when asked to step outside the ninth-inning bounds. Probably has something to do with their human brains refusing to conform.

Yeah, it’s probably a mental thing. Many closers get pumped up and use that adrenaline rush to finish out a game. When it’s not a save situation they may not get that rush.

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