Around the Horn

Food for thought on this morning:

-Look who’s alone in first place in the AL East.
-Pettitte to make his re-debut tonight; Damon day-to-day; Villone a Yankee minor leaguer
-The Mets swept the Cards—only 6 months late!
-Bonds hits no. 735; Zito decent in game 1
-Sheets & Peavy: will this be the year they fight for the Cy?

17 comments… add one
  • Petey, The Pro, Jesus…
    Fee agents we didn’t sign. Just saying.

    LocklandSF April 5, 2007, 9:32 am
  • “jesus” had a pretty good season last time around. i’d rather they sit him on a cold rainy day than send him limping out there to slip and tear something.
    also, while we’re dishing out food for thought, i thought i’d pass this along:
    http://tinyurl.com/2wa7q7
    …and i always thought that the sox’s wally mascot was a bit creepy… he doesn’t even come close to entering the dank, musty, creepy and just plain wrong realm of “the grump”. look at that guy. wow.

    Yankee Fan In Boston April 5, 2007, 9:50 am
  • I was half joking YFiB, but I stand by my feeling that the jury is still out on the Damon contract. After watching him play in Boston every day for so long, abusing him self, finishing every season held together with super glue and duct tape, combined with his love for dangerous off season sports, frankly, Theo could end up looking good here. I’m not saying it’s a lock, but it’s still very possible.

    LocklandSF April 5, 2007, 10:14 am
  • Lock. You realize Gary Matthews got 50 million, Juan P contract was up there too. You should hope that Theo is a great predictor of injuries, or else why would he sign drew.

    Seth April 5, 2007, 10:25 am
  • i was just giving a gentle nudge back. sometimes i can’t resist. but your point is well founded and has been officially noted. the length of the contract may come back to haunt the yankees. …that said, i’d still take him over coco. unless coco can get things going at the level they had expected this year.
    all i know is, i can’t wait to watch daisuke this afternoon.
    are the sox still planning on going with a 5 man rotation with papelbon in his rightful place? (i need to know if i’ll see him when i go to fenway in a week… this is obviously of critical importance.)

    Yankee Fan In Boston April 5, 2007, 10:28 am
  • The Damon contract in this market looks like a pretty decent deal considering what Pierre and Matthews are getting. Damon is on the wrong side of 30, so your point definitely stands, although he has been one of the most durable players of the last decade (not sure if that’s a predictor of future performance). Still, it’s very hard to guage if Theo made the right move or not. You’d have to see how he re-allocated that money (would the Sox have been able to sign Drew this off-season for instance? Would the Sox be better off with Marte and Damon, rather than Crisp? These are impossible questions to answer basically.) I know for the Yanks it probably was the right move, given their centerfield position. But it was also the result of a mistake they made in that previous horrible off-season. I’d rather have Beltran at more years than Damon for the next three. The Damon contract as it is, is not a bad second choice.

    Nick-YF April 5, 2007, 10:28 am
  • The Damon and Matsui contracts look like absolute steals at this point. The Pettitte and Mussina contracts were steals even after the market exploded.
    That said, the Beckett contract looks pretty good too, even for a likely 4.50 ERA pitcher.

    Andrew April 5, 2007, 10:28 am
  • Jake Peavy, YF.
    Re: Pettitte. I think the jury should still be out on whether a $16M 1 yr. + a $16M player option with no buyout should be considered a “steal”.

    QuoSF April 5, 2007, 10:40 am
  • Ha. Already fixed it before my comment.

    QuoSF April 5, 2007, 10:40 am
  • I wouldn’t be concerned about Damon’s performance, if he can keep all his body parts on, in the right place, he will still do what he does. I literally think something might fall off, or he will get bit by a shark in the off season, or smack in to a cliff, sprain his neck with his wife’s fun bags, something like that.

    LocklandSF April 5, 2007, 11:29 am
  • Quo, a 2-year deal for any pitcher is a steal. Commitment matters a heck of a lot more than per-year money. Each of Pettitte and Mussina were gotten for less total cash than ‘wunderkind’ GIL MECHE. How Cashman pulled off 2-year deals for 2 elite pitchers in the age of Barry Zito’s 7 year deal, I have no idea. But it really does have to be noted.

    Andrew April 5, 2007, 1:01 pm
  • Okay, okay, but look who just cut the Yankees’ first place lead in half… ;^)

    Hudson April 5, 2007, 1:15 pm
  • I’m not trying to suggest that they Yankees got screwed in either case, just that the word “steal” is too much of an exaggeration.
    Pettitte’s success returning to the AL isn’t guaranteed, which is why the jury should still be considered out. It’s basically a $16M gamble that having to face a DH again and the comparative lineups in the NL Central aren’t going to make him underwhelmingly successful.
    Not sure using Gil Meche to support your argument is a great idea, whether you consider his track record or his recent success against the Sox.
    A “steal” is Wakefield for $4M/season as long as he and the Sox want him to pitch. League-average innings at $4M/yr. Any guarantee that Pettitte with the mitigating circumstances is going to be $12M/yr better?

    QuoSF April 5, 2007, 1:44 pm
  • How Cashman got those deals? Age, age, and age.
    Big difference between Mussina or Pettitte asking for 3+ with their age and injury concerns, and Zito with his age plus the fact that he probably hasn’t missed any significant length of time since his bout with chickenpox in elementary school (this may or may not have happened). Mussina’s deal is a great deal, Pettitte’s could be a good one, but in my opinion Pettitte’s is about what the market will bear. The “market” being Houston or New York, in this case. Which begs the interesting question of what, if anything, the Astros counter-offered.

    QuoSF April 5, 2007, 1:48 pm
  • Damon hurt? I bet Bernie is waiting by the phone …

    Adam White April 5, 2007, 2:24 pm
  • damon getting hurt and pettite not performing is sox fan wishful thinking…it’s a long season fellas…

    dc April 5, 2007, 7:25 pm
  • Quo – Gil Meche is what the market is bearing. His track record? You mean in the past four years his average ERA+ has been about 93, the definition of a below-average pitcher? Sure it’s a bad deal, but it’s evidence that the market is insane. If Mussina chose to be a free agent this season he could have easily doubled his years and increased his yearly salary. That’s what happens when you’re a top-10 AL pitcher. And Pettitte, with two back-to-back seasons of 200+ IP, could have gotten a long-term deal as well. Both are significantly better than Meche, and both got total less guaranteed cash. That’s why the Matsuzaka deal is such a good one, John “Warbucks” Henry just fronts the $51 million and the Sox pay a relative pittance on payroll. The pitching market exploded this season, and will explode after this season and after 2008 when Zambrano and Santana, respectively, are set free. Getting elite but aging pitchers, especially those who could have easily commanded much, much more money and years, to agree to short-term deals is admirable.

    Andrew April 6, 2007, 2:36 am

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