As the Yankees Turn

This week’s episode:

George can’t decide whether he likes Joe or whether he should replace him with Lou. He’s conflicted because Lou likes Alex and George is trying to ditch Alex too. Derek stands up for Joe but doesn’t stand up for Alex because Alex dissed him five years ago, even though Alex’s poor performance cost the team important games. Instead Jason tells Alex to get his act together and Alex respond by whining about how much Mike is paid. Mike is still mad at Alex for costing him a win earlier in the season. Alex continues to tank when it counts and Joe and Derek get even madder as the team gets embarrassed during the playoffs.

Stay tuned for next week’s episode:

  • Will George dump Alex, Mike and Gary?
  • Will Jason issue another mysterious apology and drop 200 pounds?
  • Will Brian be free to make his own decisions or will George take over?

All these questions may be answered — or not — on the next As the Yankees Turn.

73 comments… add one
  • It’s more like Friends. Cash on Alex: “I fully expect him to be here. We’re going to figure this thing out together.”
    I guess Alex and Joe were just on “a break.”

    YF October 10, 2006, 7:07 pm
  • Joe just doesn’t do it as Rachel for me though, YF. I think we all can agree A-Rod is definitely Ross.
    In fact, Conan O’Brien cast David Schwimmer as A-Rod in the made-for-TV movie about the Yankee saga last night, IIRC.

    Paul SF October 10, 2006, 7:33 pm
  • Here’s some dialogue to work into a script.
    Stein: “I expect a great deal from you and the entire team.”
    Billy’s Ghost: “I hate you. Die, you bastard.”
    Cash: “We’re all about ‘team’ here.”
    Billy’s Ghost: “What the f*ck?”
    Joe T: “We’re all about ‘team’ here.”
    Billy’s Ghost: “What the f*cking f*ck?!”
    Jeter: “Mr. Torre says we’re all about ‘team’ here.”
    Billy’s Ghost: “You have the personality of a dial tone.”
    ARod: “I hit with an accelerated bat head.”
    Billy’s Ghost: “I’d hit you with an accelerated bat head.”
    Gator: “There is no ‘i’ in chew.”
    Billy’s Ghost: “Strangely, that makes sense.”
    Sheff: “The Brewers brought out the hate in me. I was a crazy man.”
    Billy’s Ghost: “Now that’s what I’m talking about.”

    attackgerbil October 10, 2006, 8:14 pm
  • Now that’s comedy.

    LocklandSF October 10, 2006, 8:17 pm
  • on both accounts, Paul and AG, I laughed very hard.
    AG, does misery produce your best work? You’ve been on fire of late!

    Nick-YF October 10, 2006, 8:30 pm
  • Misery and gin, Nick. Misery and gin.

    attackgerbil October 10, 2006, 8:39 pm
  • …paul, i missed the last episode of “days of our sox”…i think it was called “is there a catcher in the house?”…but then i heard the series was cancelled in august…the stars quit and there was a general lack of interest in renewing the series…can you catch me up on what i missed?…

    dc October 10, 2006, 9:25 pm
  • I like this plotline: George, Joe, Alex, Derek, Jason, Gary, and Mike all make the playoffs. Red Sox suck.

    tom yf October 11, 2006, 1:16 am
  • DC – you always have something to say. Like the kid who just can’t handle the joke, takes his ball, and goes home.
    Lighten up.

    Brad October 11, 2006, 8:30 am
  • i can’t wait for the episode that introduces the new yankee pitcher matsuzaka.
    ( )

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 11, 2006, 9:11 am
  • Matsuzaka is impressive, but the historical transition from Japan to MLB, let alone the AL East, for pitchers is not that good.
    30 million posting fee, plus at least a 30 million contract, will it be worth it?
    We will see.
    The posting fee doesn’t count towards the lux tax, but that’s still a shitload of money to risk on a “rookie.”

    LocklandSF October 11, 2006, 9:35 am
  • I remember seeing the same episode at one time or another – I think it was called:
    The Intro of any of the following:
    Tomo Ohka, Masato Yoshii, Hideo Nomo, Kazuhisa Ishii, Hideki Irabu, Mac Suzuki, and Kim – (hat tip to WW for the list of incredibles)
    All over-hyped, and under-achieved. Every one of them had untouchable stuff, amazing velocity, or some kind of screwy pitch we hadn’t seen before, and how’d it work out for any of them? Nomo, had a great year until guys figured him out, and then what?
    I don’t think it’s worth the price this guy is going to come at, but then again, it’s not my money. For the money spent, I think it’s a much better gamble to just sign proven guys like Zito (maybe) or Schmidt.

    Brad October 11, 2006, 9:39 am
  • Also, the posting bid is a sealed envelope bid, there is no bidding war, so it’s not a guarantee that Yankees will get him.

    LocklandSF October 11, 2006, 9:41 am
  • A lot of the Yankee fans I talk to assume they are getting Zito, Schmidt and Matsuzaka.

    LocklandSF October 11, 2006, 9:43 am
  • …brad, actually i thought paul’s post and the subsequent additions were pretty funny…i was just poking back at him a bit…sorry if i offended anyone…and sorry, i didn’t realize the jokes are only funny when sf’s tell them or i wouldn’t have posted mine…you guys seem to think it’s sport to poke fun at the other teams, but god forbid someone takes a shot at yours…funny, i don’t think nearly as much space has been used on this site to make red sox jokes at least in the past couple of months…am i breaking new ground…you’re the one that needs to lighten up…

    dc October 11, 2006, 9:44 am
  • re: matsuzuka
    he’d likely be an improvement on wright and pavano, with the potential for more.
    obviously, he might end up elsewhere, but i need some kind of daydream this winter.
    also, if we spend bora$ money on zito, i’d be shocked and disappointed. he walked 99 batters this summer. if george wants his players to be fierce competitors, cashman & co. had better check out zito’s blog about preparing for the alcs start:
    “Tonight, I’m just going to chill out at my house. Watch a movie, surf the Internet, play some guitar. Just relax. Same old stuff for me. It’s just another start. Everything around me seems a little more intense or amplified, but my preparation out there on the mound is just about 60 feet and six inches, me and a catcher and a hitter, and if we win, we win. If we lose, we lose. Time will play itself out.”
    not too impressive.

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 11, 2006, 9:56 am
  • Oh, for the love of it all, DC- I was only kidding. Jesus Christ, man. You’re like fighting with a my girl – no matter what, the fight is spun in one way or another to make it favorable to them. I’m done arguing, responding to, or even acknowledging you said something about anything – it’s like you have some kind of Yankee complex that allows for only good news or feel-good stories, or whatever… what the holy hell does it matter how much space has been taken up re: who cracks jokes on the other team? It’s easy to joke agaist the Yankees – it’s easy to do so with the Sox as well.

    Brad October 11, 2006, 10:25 am
  • …geez…i didn’t see that yankee fan in boston, thanks for sharing…yeah, zito ain’t gonna fit in if he says stuff like “…if we win, we win. If we lose, we lose…”….uh, he may be a bit too much of a free spirit, and not a good fit for boston or ny…he’d make the more intense guys on the both teams climb out of their skins…he should stay in california…

    dc October 11, 2006, 10:27 am
  • …uh, i was just kidding too…are we friends again…?

    dc October 11, 2006, 10:29 am
  • and yeah, I know the third place jokes are funny. I live in a spin world where the Sox are never right or correct in their moves, I root for a team that has young talent, just not good, young talent. Losing half of the Sox roster to injury is not a valid excuse for a poor month of basball. The Sox are cheap, penny-pinching third place in the standing pile of crap. The Yankees Owner is the godsend. Jeter is above all critisism from invented stats to tell differently, and the best team in baseball isn’t playing baseball still.
    We know all the arguments, DC. Tell us something that we don’t know.

    Brad October 11, 2006, 10:29 am
  • I also saw on BBTonight that the Yankees are the front runners for the Matzuska, and that Zito and Schmidt were also in the running to land there. Imagine that? There would be absolutely no reason for the rest of the teams to show up next year if that’s the case. That rotation would be better than anyone could imagine.
    But, my guess is that’s what Stein and Co. want – no challenge. Just buy what’s available and spend as much as possible to get it. Make it so unfair to other clubs (not including the Sox) that noone can compete on the field. Spend 5oo million, what’s it matter?

    Brad October 11, 2006, 10:34 am
  • It sounds like Brads the touchy one here. Take a joke much? Being a Sox fan you’d think so, but from the outlandish nature of your response to DC its obvious you can’t.

    Eric October 11, 2006, 10:34 am
  • Q: What’s the difference between a Fenway Frank and a Stadium Dog?
    A: Stadium Dogs are served in October.
    Everyone happy?
    My dad has a Yankee fan friend that used to love to tell that joke to me when I was a kid, I still hate that guy. (do they even call them Stadium Dogs any more?)

    LocklandSF October 11, 2006, 10:36 am
  • lockland sf….i think they might be called “yankee franks” now…but, i’m not sure…

    dc October 11, 2006, 10:42 am
  • there is no way the yankees get matsuzaka, zito and schmidt.
    cashman has already stated that his goal was to actually reduce payroll.
    (i know… that just sounds weird coming from the source, but give it a minute to settle in.)
    this is why sheffield will walk. (his comments the other day helped, too…)
    this is why mussina might be done in ‘stripes, too.
    this is why cashman will be “meeting” with pavano’s agent and reps from the players’ union. (so help me, if he can find a way out of that contract, the man would deserve a monument. …or at least a bobblehead night.)
    they will go after all three, but actually signing two would be a stretch.
    …current climate and all.
    the days of george’s free spending have (hopefully) ended. cashman is now (rightfully) in charge of such matters. (i think that has a lot to do with george’s turnaround on the torre situation, too.)
    they wont get all 3 pitchers. if i had any money at all, i’d bet every cent of it to that effect.

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 11, 2006, 10:44 am
  • yankee fan in boston, you make a good point…i think [hope] someone in the organization may finally be convincing george that spending money doesn’t win championships…the yankees just don’t seem to be doing as good a job with scoutng, talent assessment, and player development as the other teams, like the twins, tigers,, a’s, and yes, the sox too have done a better job of it than the yanks…

    dc October 11, 2006, 10:52 am
  • “If we win, we win, if we lose, we lose …” Isn’t that A-Rod’s motto?
    I have a hard time liking someone who can’t get up for a playoff game. You never hear the great ones (Clemens, Martinez, Schilling, etc) talking like that. And you saw the reason why there’s concern about him in last night’s game as far as his K/9 and BB/9 ratios — three walks and no Ks, couldn’t get out of the fourth.
    Meanwhile, Schmidt is 33 and a lifetime AAAA player. How well can he do in the AL East. The more I think about this free agent pitching class (Matsuzaka included), the more I think none of them will be worth half their exprbitant asking prices…

    Paul SF October 11, 2006, 10:59 am
  • A rotation of Wang, Moose (on a reduced contract), Matsuzaka, P Hughes and Karstens wouldn’t be too shabby, imho. Three guys making league minimum, Moose on about $10m per – the whole rotation would cost about $25m which is eminently sensible.
    In the lineup, I’d make Matsui the permanent DH, with Melky in left. Let Sheff leave and don’t bother to replace him – with Wilson, Guiel and AP we have enough cover at 1B/RF. Buy out Randy/Pavano/Wright, too.
    All that will mean (not counting the cost of the buyouts, admittedly) $40m less on payroll next year, even assuming Matsuzaka earns in the $12m-$15m range.

    Sam October 11, 2006, 11:01 am
  • You’re giving Hughes a callup from AA to start the season, Sam? Seems a bit heady to me… Maybe in a pinch, a la Lester this year, sure. Maybe second half when players wear down a bit. But Hughes won’t be starting the season in the rotation. It would be heard to justify that, imo…

    Paul SF October 11, 2006, 11:06 am
  • Paul- precisely. that said, i’d still go after matsuzaka. we need an arm. he’s young. he seems to have some composure in the limited footage i’ve seen. hopefully they don’t buy into the $30M rumors and play this sensibly.
    Sam- that sounds great, but giambi as a full time 1B?
    ugh. it sucks that this might be the only option.

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 11, 2006, 11:07 am
  • why wouldn’t the Yankees stop with all-this rotating GM stuff, release guys that can’t play everyday, make Giambi a full-time DH like Ortiz and get a real first baseman. There are some pretty good ones available – you might lose some offense, but what is gained by a great defensive guy more than makes up for it.

    Brad October 11, 2006, 11:14 am
  • I mean rotating DH, not GM.

    Brad October 11, 2006, 11:15 am
  • someone someplace suggested making matsui into the everyday 1B, putting melky in LF, and DHing giambi.
    i laughed at the pipe dream…
    …then i began to consider it.
    but giambi has no business owning a 1B glove.
    …matsui might actually be an improvement. melky in left is an upgrade over matsui, as much as i love the guy.

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 11, 2006, 11:19 am
  • What a position, huh?
    Where are we going to put all these unbelievable hitters to make the lineup potentially MORE potent?

    Brad October 11, 2006, 11:41 am
  • paul, you’re right, zito performed like someone who wasn’t up for the game…i don’t know how to take the state of pitching in general…i know the reason for my angst: i don’t want to see any more irabu, contreras, pavano [i hope i’m wrong about him], brown, or vasquez mistakes….geez….those moves have killed the yanks…so, the “best” they’ve been able to get in the past couple of years is the rapidly aging rj…that’s what makes guys like clemens [despite his age] look so good [he can still perform at a high level]…the yanks should consider resigning moose…maybe we just need to accept that a certain amount of pitching mediocrity is now the standard, and recalibrate our thinking about what a “good” pitcher is…
    brad’s right too….giambi’s natural “position” is dh…maybe trying to teach matsui to play there would work, but i wouldn’t count on it…the problem with putting another 1B there is that means melky sits…
    p.s. paul, actually i think “If we win, we win, if we lose, we lose …” is also manny’s motto…

    dc October 11, 2006, 11:47 am
  • i’m not complaining.
    but defense is indeed an important part of the equation, as you stated.
    also, somebody told me yesterday that ichiro had asked for a trade. he said that ichiro didn’t want to move to CF… i can’t find any word of that anywhere…
    this guy was full of it, right?
    if not, the sox would want to give that a shot… manny for ichiro? wily mo in left?
    this is likely a pointless topic, seeing as it isn’t turning up anywhere…

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 11, 2006, 11:49 am
  • re. my last post: “maybe trying to teach matsui to play there”…by “there”, i meant 1B…

    dc October 11, 2006, 11:49 am
  • DC, every player in the game that knows him says Manny is the hardest working, most dedicated player they know. His personality betrays his work ethic and drive.

    LocklandSF October 11, 2006, 11:52 am
  • locklandsf-
    is it manny’s personality that makes him not run out ground balls and stroll around in left?
    i don’t know how seriously that statment was intended to be taken.

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 11, 2006, 11:57 am
  • lockland sf, i never said he wasn’t hard working…i’ve heard the same thing…but his “personality” and actions are not indicative of someone who’s head is always in the game…as for work ethic, i’m not sure i can concede that one…manny’s sit down strkes every season have called into question whether he really puts the team first…paul suggested that arod didn’t care if the yanks win or lose…do you agree?…

    dc October 11, 2006, 12:01 pm
  • I honestly think Arod only cares about how he is viewed by the media/public.
    I actually do think Manny’s personality makes him occaisionally dog it on the basepaths and in left field. I just don’t think he’s “all there” all the time, but I certainly don’t think he does it intentionally to hurt the team.
    He works very hard to be the best possible hitter he can be because being the best possible hitter he can be is the best way to help his team win ball games.

    LocklandSF October 11, 2006, 12:24 pm
  • DC, I made that comment because I’m pretty sure it’s close to what A-Rod has actually said after a tough loss. I could be wrong though…
    Anyway, no one’s accused Manny’s attitude of costing the team wins (insert ridiculous argument about whether Manny was really hurt or not here). A-Rod clearly has issues that have cost his team wins, possibly whole series in the postseason. Zito didn’t care, and it cost the A’s last night.

    Paul SF October 11, 2006, 12:25 pm
  • Manny dogs it at times. Period. You get over that when you look at what type of ungoldy numbers he puts up every year.
    My question is this:
    If Yankee fans could rewind the clock, would they rather have ManRam for the past three years over A-Rod? If you answer no, then you’re letting rumors and questionable newspaper pieces get in the way of baseball truths and black and white facts. A-Rod is a hell of a player, but not the player Manny has been for the past three years.
    Interesting story:
    I have a buddy that was part of the crew that cleans Fenway before and after games (wiping down seats, etc..) while he was in college. He has told me numerous times that the question of Manny’s work ethic is insane. He say’s the guy is at the park every single day taking BP for hours at time before lunch. After that, the guy comes back and does it in the afternoon before the game. He said the guy may hit fifty or sixty balls to every part of the park and never, ever hit one out. All he does is practice his swing and hitting for average, the homeruns just happen becuase his timing and power are so perfect as a result of those hours.
    These statements are easily believable when you look at the numbers.
    All that being said, I think Manny dogs it a bit every now and then becuase he isn’t happy. Based on my own assumptions, I think Manny takes offense to being second fiddle to Ortiz. Things like his work ethic and personality were never in question as much as they are now he’s number two in town. Manny loves the spotlight, and in a way is a drama queen. WIth Ortiz around, he get’s neither on the level that he used to, so he creates situations that allow for him to be begged back by the fans and FO.
    Just my opinion, but I still take him. Would I rather have Vlad or Beltran or any number of guys at this point in his career? Yes. But that’s only because I’m tired of the schtick and negative press that revolves around him, not the player.

    Brad October 11, 2006, 12:45 pm
  • Do people really think that guys like Ramirez, A-Rod, Ichiro, etc., can perform at the levels they do without hard work? Manny’s occasional foul-ups are annoying, but if anyone extends those incidents into some sort of longwinded or short-brained thesis that the guy doesn’t work hard, or that his head isn’t in the game more often than not, well that’s totally foolish. You simply cannot perform at the level any of the best players do for extended periods of time (and that is, like it or not, what Manny has done, and mythically so) without strict and intense concentration, as well as hard work. Period.

    SF October 11, 2006, 12:55 pm
  • i really dislike what i’ve seen of manny’s play. (aside from the amazing hitting, that is.)
    he never seems to hustle.
    this is the first that i’ve heard of the extra hours of BP, but it doesn’t surprise me. the man can flat out rake. i think that his hitting being so damn good is what makes the “whatever” attitude more difficult for me to stomach. imagine what he could do if he applied a little effort in other areas of the game.
    as for the either manny or rodriguez question, as sick as i am of both guys, i’d begrudgingly take manny. yes, he phones it in if his team is out of it down the stretch, but i’ve seen that he can hit in the postseason. also, he’d DH.

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 11, 2006, 12:55 pm
  • I really, honestly, do not think Manny dogs it as much as people think he does.
    I watch the 160 games a year (I always seem to miss at least 2) and it’s actually a rare thing to see. But, when it does happen, it’s all over SportsCenter and BBTN, the press, etc… So out of market fans get the impression that it happens more than it does.

    LocklandSF October 11, 2006, 1:45 pm
  • For the record, I’m not saying he doesn’t ever dog it, it’s just not as much as the media makes it out to be.

    LocklandSF October 11, 2006, 1:52 pm
  • Lockland is right. Manny simply does not dog it to the extent that people are saying. It’s a ludicrous accusation, as far as I am concerned. The proof is in the performance. His achievements would be impossible for someone with no concentration, no drive, no work ethic. He’s not a great fielder, but them’s the breaks. Mark Belanger was a horrendous hitter, no matter how hard he tried, right?
    (Plus I have watched several hundred Sox games since he joined the team, whatever that’s worth)

    SF October 11, 2006, 2:02 pm
  • I think the issue with Manny is that he’s a bit of a clueless idiot. As a person, I mean. And a clueless idiot under so much scrutiny is going to mess up every now and again. But yes, I think the whole “dogging it” story is dumb because it would be impossible to dog it and put up his numbers.
    As for A-Rod…yes, I’d choose Manny over him in a heartbeat. And I say that as one of the few YFs seemingly left on the site who doesn’t want to see him traded this winter.

    Sam October 11, 2006, 2:07 pm
  • The BP stuff is fairly common knowledge, YFiB. It’s actually been reported in the Globe before, believe it or not. Of course, I wouldn’t expect you to know because you’re not a Red Sox fan (thus having little interest in following the team so closely) and those nuggets tend not to be reported as much as the once or twice over 162 games that Manny might not run out a ground ball or might misplay a ball in left (no one else in baseball ever does that, of course).
    One thing I think bears noting: Baseball to some extent is a zero sum game. You can work on being a better defender — and Manny does do this, taking a lot more fielding practice than normal this spring traing as one example — but it takes away time from practicing your hitting and could hurt you there. I read something about this recently where players were talking about the balance between working too much one aspect or another to the detriment of the others (unless you’re just ridiculously gifted of course). Mike Lowell has talked about struggling so bad as a hitter last year that he decided to focus on fielding, and we’ve seen the fruits of that.
    In other words, the ethic that Manny puts into his hitting might cost him in other areas — but I’ll take the incredible hitting and poor fielding over someone with moderately better fielding and a corresponding drop in hitting.

    Paul SF October 11, 2006, 2:11 pm
  • i’m not referring to the espn loops, but i know exactly what you’re talking about.
    i go to at least 3 games a year at fenway. i watch a bunch on tv as well. (admittedly not 160 sox games, though.)
    it seems that i’ve seen a number of balls drop in for a hit that might not have needed to. i’m not saying that it’s a constant thing, but i’ve seen it a number of times, both on tv and in person.
    obviously, this is quite subjective and i may even be seeing things. i have no numbers to back this up, but there have been a number of times where i have thought “he should’ve had that one.”
    i should also say that i have definitely seen him make some great plays, too. but this also feeds my frustration with the man.

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 11, 2006, 2:11 pm
  • should also say that i have definitely seen him make some great plays, too. but this also feeds my frustration with the man.
    amen to that.

    Anonymous October 11, 2006, 2:26 pm
  • dammit – it was me.

    Brad October 11, 2006, 2:27 pm
  • The difference between A-Rod and Manny? Check out their internal monologues at the plate at the plate:
    A-ROD: “Will I get a hit here? Accelerated bat head, accelerated bat head, gotta focus… Will I be a hero? Accelerated bat head…”
    MANNY: “Fruit Loops or Count Chocula for dinner tonight?”
    (I shamelessly stole the idea for this post from someone’s in-game post back in like June.)

    Hudson October 11, 2006, 2:47 pm
  • hudson- that’s a low blow calling jeter fruit loops. and i read in an interview that sheff no longer wants to be called count chocula any more.

    sf rod October 11, 2006, 3:13 pm
  • A plane hit a building in NYC, any of you near it?

    LocklandSF October 11, 2006, 3:43 pm
  • …i know brad thinks i’m picking on him, and he said he won’t acknowledge me anymore, so maybe one of you other sf’s can answer this one….his post at 12:45 in this thread says: “If Yankee fans could rewind the clock, would they rather have ManRam for the past three years over A-Rod? If you answer no, then you’re letting rumors and questionable newspaper pieces get in the way of baseball truths and black and white facts. A-Rod is a hell of a player, but not the player Manny has been for the past three years.”…but just a few days ago on the “five good things post” he said in response to who he’d trade manny for: “Oh, man – I wanted A-Rod buddy! Same player, same time in their careers essentially, and same money. Both teams benefit. A-Rod enjoys success in Boston, and Manny hits the cover off the ball in NY.”…uh, i can read between the lines that some of you sf’s think i’m a dope, but sorry, i don’t get this one…
    paul, i think the point some of the other guys were making was not that manny makes an occasional error…you’re probably right that his focus on hitting hurts his fielding…frankly though, i think he’s a pretty good fielder with a good arm…he plays the wall better than anyone…the point they are making is that he appears to dog it and lack hustle at times…but if that doesn’t hurt the team, then it’s a moot point, and we can take on the next topic…

    dc October 11, 2006, 3:45 pm
  • dc:
    I guess the idea is that Manny has been a better player for the Sox these past three years than A-Rod has been for the Yankees. Going forward, though (and this is the key to this) one could reason that Manny might be a better fit on the Yankees while A-Rod, damaged as he might be by the New York atmosphere, may work better in Boston. I don’t think his two seemingly contrasting comments are actually incompatible with each other.

    SF October 11, 2006, 3:58 pm
  • DC – I wanted A-Rod back at his normal positon, where I’m sure he’ll go back to his normal position of the best baseball player on earth when that happens.
    Also, if you’ll read my post on Manny you’ll read that I’m tired of the schtick and not the man. In my heart of hearts, I think A-Rod is much better than he has been over the past couple years, it’s just not going to ever happen in NY, and I think we have all be witness to his problems that I don’t need to go into. At this point in his NY career, he’s to far gone to recover in the eyes of NY fans. No matter what he does, as soon as it turns sour, so will the preception of him. I feel that if he could escape that stigma, and put it towards really giving them a reason to Boo, he would, and he would be really good at it (playing against them, I mean).
    Alas, I did say that if someone said they would not rather have Manny over ARod, they were not looking at it through unbiased eyes. I’m certainly not looking at it this way when I say I want A-Rod. I happen to love the guy as a player, and would take him on my team anyday, including a trade that involved Manny – eight days a week.
    Finally, If you have a question about something I posted, you can ask me directly because I certianly don’t feel “picked-on” – I promise.

    Brad October 11, 2006, 4:07 pm
  • oen minor thing, Brad, but you could argue that A-Rod’s 2005 was the best season of his already unbelievable career. Factoring in park factor, his offensive numbers were great, especially for a righty at Yankees Stadium.
    I’ve already said this but I think the Sox would be the clear winner in an A-Rod for Manny trade. There’s already a logjam in the outfield and DH position. And Manny’s 6 years his senior (I think). it just doesn’t make sense to make that trade from the Bombers’ perspective. In fact, there are very few trades involving A-Rod that make much sense to me. If the Angels want to pony up Santana, Wood and Figgins then I’d do that, but they’re not parting with Wood.

    Nick-YF October 11, 2006, 4:15 pm
  • Nick, I wasn’t pitching the trade, just saying which player I’d rather have on the Sox next year.
    Let’s be serious though, if the Yankees did not move an outfielder somewhere in order to let Manny in, that’d be crazy. He could easily play RF and put Bobby at first (hey, Sheffield did it, right?).
    Also, take a look at Manny Ramirez lifetime stats in Yankee stadium. They’re eye popping, really.

    Brad October 11, 2006, 4:20 pm
  • also, I can’t imagine that even with park factor or any other factor for that matter, A-Rod’s best year was 2005 when he posted those numbers in Texas. He did have to play half the games on the road, and those numbers on both sides of the ball are disgusting.

    Brad October 11, 2006, 4:24 pm
  • I think that Manny should be DHing at this point in his career. To me, he’s an awful left-fielder. The Sox have Ortiz and more depth at first, so Manny’s been forced to play DH, but his fielding is barely passable. Plus, he’s getting up there in age and late season injuries are more likely to occur with him playing in the field. To add Manny to a roster filled with a lot of good to great hitting poor fielders and at the cost of a player durable and athletic enough to play an infield position and contribute offensively doesn’t make sense to me.

    Nick-YF October 11, 2006, 4:28 pm
  • A-Rod’s 2005 numbers look a lot like his Texas numbers and there is a significant difference in playing half your games at Arlington as opposed to Yanks Stadium.

    Nick-YF October 11, 2006, 4:30 pm
  • …fair enough brad…thanks for clarifying…i’d rather not trade arod, unless it’s for pitching, but for the sake of the discussion, the boston atmosphere might be better for him, but i’m not so sure…it seems just as intense as new york at times, but i’m not in boston or ny to see it first hand…in that sense, sf, i’m not sure why a trade of a sure thing in boston for a question mark from ny is in boston’s best interests…seems like a big gamble that arod would be able to adjust…manny would thrive anywhere he goes…

    dc October 11, 2006, 4:31 pm
  • Nick, I think you are extremely harsh on Manny’s fielding ability. I see most games, and I really think that the fallback of most Sox haters is to say that he can’t play, but in reality he’s a pretty decent fielder. His range stats are a direct result of where he plays, and he does play half his games on the road – including Yankee stadium where he’s made some unbelievable plays. He just recently turned 34, which to me means that he’s got at least the term of his contract to keep putting up monster numbers.

    Brad October 11, 2006, 4:36 pm
  • Nick, I’d like to see those Texas numbers up against his NY numbers in certain situations. My guess is, they’re not even close.
    Also, Arlington is a launching pad, for sure.

    Brad October 11, 2006, 4:38 pm
  • DC – I don’t think it is any different in Boston (the media circus I mean) but I think if given the chance, he’d surely love to give back to NY what they’ve been giving to him every other at bat this year.
    Almost like when Clemens came to NY for the first time, and came into Boston to face the Sox. It was the despise of the organization’s front office that was on his mind and I’d bet he soaked up every second of it.
    Maybe we’re both wrong and neither player gets moved. But, how fun would it be to live through that drama? Neither team will ever deal with the other for just that risk – what if both players exceed all expectations (which they will, of course) in their new homes. Plus, NY would be resigned to having the second best SS behind A-Rod, again, and that will most definitely never be allowed to happen.

    Brad October 11, 2006, 4:43 pm
  • If you wanna see something insane, look at A-Rod’s numbers in 1996 – in only 145 games. That’s easily his best year as a player, and it was his first real year. Maybe he just did not command the respect as a player at that time, so guys tried to sneak it past him. Whatever the reason, that year was great for him as well.
    Oh, maybe hitting in front of Jr helped too.

    Brad October 11, 2006, 4:47 pm
  • i think we now have the latest chapter of “as the yankees turn”.
    the plane was cory lidle’s.

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 11, 2006, 4:47 pm
  • this is weird. Now off to class.

    Nick-YF October 11, 2006, 4:52 pm
  • …fox is reporting that the lidle was the pilot and he is dead…

    dc October 11, 2006, 4:56 pm
  • That’s horrible news. I’m sorry to his family and YF’s.

    Brad October 11, 2006, 5:00 pm

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