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Who will man the marquee centerfield position when the Yanks open their new stadium next season? Apparently not Mike Cameron; the deal that would have sent Melky Cabrera to Milwaukee in exchange for Cameron is reportedly dead.

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  • I am not saying he has to go to the Yankees, but…Melvin would be foolish to hold onto a player in the final year of his contract and making 10 million dollars. He has watched Sheets and Sabathia walk, his closer retired and the majority of this team is young. Braun, Fielder, Hart, Parra, etc…make up a nice core, but losing Sheets and CC make them a middle of the pack team in the NL Central. It would make ZERO sense for them to retain Mike Cameron, he is not a going to put butts in the seats OR help that team as currently constructed, contend.

    John - YF December 18, 2008, 10:08 am
  • Bubba Crosby?
    I agree, John. To me, if the sticking point is the money owed to Cameron, the Yankees are making a mistake. But, the Brewers can see through Cashman’s tired “X is our starting center fielder” routine. They know the Yankees arent’t going to march Melky/Swisher or Tommy Right Hander out to the most famous position in all of baseball.
    It’s like buying a million dollar home, then complaining about the cost of heating it.

    Brad December 18, 2008, 10:18 am
  • There is no “sticking” point. The Yankee are clearly waiting because they know this deal ain’t going anywhere. The Brewers will make this trade now, in January, in March, or in June. No other team is signing up to pay Mike Cameron $10 million and give them something back.
    Instead, the Yankees can wait to see what happens to guys like Manny and Dunn. Better to spend the money on significantly better offense, and have a better defender in CF (Cabrera/Gardner, than try to solve a problem before they absolutely have to.

    Dave SF December 18, 2008, 10:35 am
  • If the Yankees are intent on paying Manny $22 million per season for the next three years, are they hitting the proverbial wall financially — especially given their reported difficulties in selling luxury boxes/sponsorships/high-end season tickets/etc?

    Paul SF December 18, 2008, 10:44 am
  • I am fine starting the season with Gardner, but that’s because I think he can be decent. Problem is if he isn’t decent then what? Finding a CF’r for this season is sort of a now or never type thing. GM’s, like Melvin, are going to now the Yankees are stuck and the price for mediocre CF’s like Winn and Cameron are going to sky rocket. So what could now be had for Melky, will require ______ in June or July.
    One thing I hadn’t thought about either was this: At the end of the season the Yankees entire OF as it stands now (with the exception of Gardner and Melky) become FA’s…That’s Matsui, Damon and Nady. Even if AJax is ready to play in 2010, that leave the corners to fill. Here are a list of OF’s in the FA class of 2010:
    Rick Ankiel STL
    Jason Bay BOS
    Coco Crisp * KC
    Carl Crawford * TB
    Jermaine Dye * CWS
    Vladimir Guerrero LAA
    Matt Holliday OAK
    Magglio Ordonez * DET
    Here are a few ideas:
    Sign Dunn. He may not be the best defensive OF’r ever, but he sure can hit and you can live with Damon in CF for one season.
    Try and pull off a trade with the Giants. They have Dave Roberts and Randy Winn. Randy Winn hasn’t played CF all that often recently, but he may be a upgrade from Damon defensively.
    Free Agents: Beat the Sox to Baldelli. If he was misdiagnosed he could wind up being a steal. Mark Kotsay? He’s always been solid defensively and I can’t imagine he’d rather be a bench player then come start for the Yankees.
    Again I am fine with Gardner, but I am not convinced Cashman is.

    John - YF December 18, 2008, 10:48 am
  • If I were the Yankees I’d trade Matsui to San Fran for Dave Roberts (they’ve expressed interest), and sign Dunn.

    Atheose December 18, 2008, 10:53 am
  • This all could have been avoided…Remember when the Yankees had a deal in place (or at least that’s what MLB Trade Rumors said…) They would send Melky to Pittsburgh for Gonzalez and McLouth. McLouth was nothing back then, he was a throw in…He would certainly help out the CF issue now.

    John - YF December 18, 2008, 10:56 am
  • I never heard about that John… when was it, in 2006? I’m sure glad McLouth isn’t on the Yankees right about now.

    Atheose December 18, 2008, 11:01 am
  • I like Winn much better, he’s slightly younger and he has better all around numbers. Also, Roberts hasn’t played full time in 3 seasons. The Giants have expressed interest in Matsui before, give it a shot.
    Melky and Matsui for Winn and an arm.

    John - YF December 18, 2008, 11:02 am
  • John - YF December 18, 2008, 11:09 am
  • If the Yankees are intent on paying Manny $22 million per season for the next three years, are they hitting the proverbial wall financially — especially given their reported difficulties in selling luxury boxes/sponsorships/high-end season tickets/etc?
    No.
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    Dave Roberts! Brilliant idea! He of the 65 OPS+ in 2008.
    Cabrera = 68 OPS+ in 2008
    Hmmmm, Roberts for Matsui – tough call.
    The Yankees could have also avoided this problem by signing Beltran.
    I think there’s something to Dunn/Manny with Damon in CF and Gardner/Cabrera as the defensive replacement.

    Dave SF December 18, 2008, 11:10 am
  • Winn is essentially Cameron with a higher OBP but lower SLG. Why would the Yankees trade Matsui too when they simply trade Cabrera for Cameron?
    Nah. They’ll wait this out. They’ve got nothing to lose and maybe a better hitter (Bradley and Burrell too) to gain.

    Dave SF December 18, 2008, 11:14 am
  • Relax Tiger, I don’t want Dave Roberts. My point in mentioning both was that they had someone to fill the need for Winn IF the Yankees didn’t send back an OF’r.
    Thus the comment “I like Winn much better”

    John - YF December 18, 2008, 11:15 am
  • Relax, kitten. I didn’t see you propose that absurd trade.
    Meanwhile, I was agreeing with you. I also agree with you on the Yankees 2010 OF. The better outfielders, apart from Holliday, are available this off-season. All of Manny, Dunn, Bradley, and Burrell are better than any thing in the 2010 market – except perhaps Holliday (if he proves himself outside of Coors). The Sox would be foolish to let Bay reach that market.

    Dave SF December 18, 2008, 11:19 am
  • Here’s my reasoning for trading Matsui for Winn…
    If you trade Matsui for Winn, the next move or the contingent move would be signing Dunn. Trading Matsui for Winn frees up roughly 5 million dollars. It doesn’t sound like a lot, but for a team with basically no bench and a alleged desire to sign a bat it’s a good chunk. My other reason is I just don’t know what to expect anymore from Matsui. It’s sad when Dunn is considered a better/healthier option for LF. With Dunn I know what we are getting and you could easily tie him up for 3-4 years, that’s appealing with all the holes that you’ll have in 2010. You get younger and more versatile all around.
    If Dunn couldn’t be had, then I would stick with Matsui and go your route of waiting on Cameron, but only then.

    John - YF December 18, 2008, 11:37 am
  • But does an NL team want Matsui right now when it’s not clear if he can play the outfield? If you don’t think he can handle the outfield, why should Sabean be different? Seems like the earliest they could make that trade is in March if he shows he’s healthy. Then that doesn’t help much with this year’s free agent market.
    To me, signing Dunn/Manny/Bradley/Burrell doesn’t need to be contingent on trading Matsui. The free agent is the LF or RF (since RF Yankee Stadium is so much smaller) and Matsui is the DH.
    Can’t Dunn also play 1B? Between the Matsui and Damon (in CF), what are the chances both stay healthy all season? That pushes Nady and Swisher to spot starts and not a bad makings of the bench especially with Gardner/Cabrera.
    Then in 2010, with both Damon and Matsui gone (and $26 million with them), this year’s free agent can spend much more time at DH. And the Yankees are set to make a major run at Holliday. There’s only a logjam this year if everyone stays healthy.

    Dave SF December 18, 2008, 11:53 am
  • The issue between my plan and yours is I don’t see Nady and Swisher as platoon/fill in players. But again I will say I have no data that can prove otherwise, but I still think Nady and Swisher can be very good in this lineup and on this team.
    As for Sabean, I don’t know how you convince him BUT I think the starting point is the instant offense it gives them. When Molina is your 4 hitter and leader in HR’s Matsui looks like Babe Ruth. The defense issue is legit, but they trotted out Bonds to LF and he was God awful near the end.

    John - YF December 18, 2008, 12:02 pm
  • Nady is probably the most tradeable of all of them. Isn’t he cheap and also on a one-year deal?

    Dave SF December 18, 2008, 12:37 pm
  • Nady made 3.35 last year, he is up for arbitration. Problem with trading Nady is too many LH hitters in the lineup. Nady gives you a little balance. Although it’s only a small problem.

    John - YF December 18, 2008, 12:51 pm

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