Baseball Sources Leak The Inevitable Obvious

The Daily News reports:

"The Bombers have told A-Rod and his agent, Scott Boras, that they have
no plans to become part of the bidding process if Rodriguez elects to
become a free agent, but multiple baseball sources believe the Red Sox
will make a huge push to add the two-time American League MVP if he
becomes available."

Even if this is not true, even if the Sox have no plans to sign A-Rod (and why wouldn’t they? The Sox are likely to lose Lowell at the end of the season and Julio Lugo’s contract looks like a sunk-cost at this point. He’d fit well from baseball perspective and he’s a pretty good player.), they have to play at being interested. You think they’d let the Yanks off the hook that easily?

If the Sox do sign A-Rod, I am looking forward to the new Red Sox blog "Cognitive Dissonance". However, I am not looking forward to the 19 games played between the two clubs each season.

60 comments… add one
  • I mean…get him. I know a lot of Sox fans are hung up on the idea, and have loved to hate that guy (I even like to do that on occasion), but you don’t see players like this often at all. Perennial top 10 in certain categories, one of the three or so best players today, maybe the best, etc.
    Unless the FO thinks they can do something smarter than that with ALL THAT MONEY, of course, which they very well may. ($29 million? $30?)
    But mostly, I think the Yankees will pay his ransom no matter what the Daily News says, and I wonder just how interested the Red Sox would be. I would think they were foolish if they didn’t consider it a lot.

    Devine July 14, 2007, 1:14 pm
  • I would have no problems with the Red Sox signing A-Rod for $30M a season through age 39. None. Whatsoever. It would be the main reason, if I were Cashman, that I’d explore the possibility of a trade — assuming Cashman believes that a bidding war is inevitable, and that he’s telling the truth when he says the Yankees won’t get involved (I can’t imagine they truly wouldn’t. I mean, come on. The only thing worse for them than losing A-Rod is losing him to Boston).

    Paul SF July 14, 2007, 1:51 pm
  • The Yanks are over the luxury tax threshold and so $30 million a year is significantly more than that. The Sox are close to the threshold as well. I’d imagine that they’d likely go over with A-Rod and Manny on the books together, and since they’re a team that loves roster flexibility I’m not so sure they’d jump at the opportunity to sign A-Rod to such an expensive contract.

    Nick-YF July 14, 2007, 2:13 pm
  • Papi, ManRam, Arod… 3,4,5 in 2008.. Ugh. I think I need to lay down.

    bloodyank78 July 14, 2007, 2:30 pm
  • Cog Diss? Not from me. He’s awesome. I don’t like his personality, I find him narcissistic and painful to listen to, but I’ve found myself rooting for Curt Schilling…on the field. Sign him up.

    SF July 14, 2007, 2:53 pm
  • So far it hasn’t done the Yankees much sustained good to have a dwindling core of grinders and dirtdogs and an increasing layer of icing on the cake made up of guys who’ve landed with the Yanks in search of The Big Payoff.
    Wouldn’t it be refreshing to have ARod muzzle Scott Boras, and say he’s happy with his contract as it stands right now and he’s going to stand pat? And actually live up to “leaving money on the table”, remaining a Yankee at basically the same rate he’s getting now (i.e., playing out the terms of the original 10 year contract)?
    It’s not going to happen though. That’s why Scott Boras is laying down the groundwork now, and as the months go by, expect to see that $30M/year-5 year figure go up bit by bit until no one’s shocked or shuddering at $40M/year, or even $50M/year.
    They did it once for $20M/year stakes in 2000, they’ll do it again.

    KayJay July 14, 2007, 4:54 pm
  • A-Rod in a Sox uniform now (as opposed to back in 2004) would indeed be hard for me to stomach.
    He is clearly talented and from a hard-headed stats perspective there is no doubt that he is worth $30M/year, especially to a team with perennial shortstop woes like the Sox.
    What irks me is not that he has helped the Yankees enormously (they’d be dead without him this year, for example). It’s his occasional bush league attitude that makes him unpalatable to me.
    The Arroyo Slap is the most famous example… really classless, and it happened against the Sox. The recent shouting “mine” on a pop-up while rounding third is another, though it didn’t involve Boston.
    The only way I could maybe wrap my mind around this would be to view it as some sort of karmic payback for Damon…

    Hudson July 14, 2007, 5:02 pm
  • [Note that I do see A-Rod as far more valuable to Boston at *short* than third, especially with Youkilis being able to play both third and first.]

    Hudson July 14, 2007, 5:04 pm
  • Swallow hard and sign him. Of course, it ain’t going to happen. And if it did…I think he’d hate the fishbowl in Boston (cf. Lugo, Julio) as much as he dislikes the fishbowl in NYC. He needs to go to some place where he’ll be loved unconditionally. Unfortunately, the kind of money he will command makes that highly unlikely.

    DW-sf July 14, 2007, 6:16 pm
  • I am not sure about the signing A-Rod thing. I mean.. is he really gonna be worht the money at age 39?
    Also, where’s our gamer?

    Anonymous July 14, 2007, 7:12 pm
  • Als… Hudson. Remember how the Damon thing turned out. We were wise to let him walk. Granted A-Rod is a far superior player than Damon. They aren’t even on the same plane really.
    Besides… I don’t think Damon-to-Sox compares, in terms of twhat they mean to the essence of a team and its fans, to ARod-to-Yanks.
    Damon, at the time, compares more to Jeter.

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 7:26 pm
  • Papi has Homered spotting us to a 1-0 lead, top of the 2nd.
    Meanwhile Wang is getting knocked around in Yankee land. 3-0, 1 out.
    CRISP with an AMAZING throw off a Monster shot to get the out at 2nd!

    Anonymous July 14, 2007, 7:28 pm
  • Turns out Pedroia may have not actually tagged him successfully. Call goes our way and Crisp still made an amazing throw.

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 7:29 pm
  • Matsuzaka laboring a bit in this AB. 3-2 and a bunch of fouls.
    Walked him. Damn. Come on< Dice-K. DP ball please.

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 7:32 pm
  • two quick strikes then a grondball gets through and their are runners a first and second with one out.
    Dammit. I have a bad feeling.

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 7:33 pm
  • Duce K looking rusty early.

    Rob July 14, 2007, 7:38 pm
  • Tight zone tonight. This game is going to hell, I can feel it.

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 7:39 pm
  • This could be a looonnnggg night.

    Rob July 14, 2007, 7:41 pm
  • Thank god, you are here Rob.. I thought I was by myself.
    *listens to the game, while looking at possible new computers*
    Matsuzaka got oput of it. Yanks go down in their game, with the exception of a harmless Matsui double.

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 7:42 pm
  • I understand Dionysus. I spent many a night going the long slow solo road on game threads. Does seem to be a tight strike zone and Dice K had a few to many pitch ab’s that inning.

    Rob July 14, 2007, 7:43 pm
  • Devil Rays are jumping all over Wang eraly in the count. Most of the hitters are going at the first or second pitch.

    Rob July 14, 2007, 7:45 pm
  • Youk flies out.
    Interestign thing on Wang’s part. Even when he gets slapped around his pitch count is relativly low. He give up 3 runs on four hits with only 21 pitches

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 7:45 pm
  • That seems to be common for Wang, Rob. It’s like eeveryone hwo faces him swings early, no matter the count. This makes me wonder if hitters were more patient with him, they would have more success.

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 7:46 pm
  • Not sure. I think you have a better chance early in the count of seeing a plain old fastball from him than later. i think as he gets deeper into counts he continues to pound you with sinkers.
    Poor inning by the Boston bats.

    Rob July 14, 2007, 7:48 pm
  • Dice gets hir first K of the game.

    Rob July 14, 2007, 7:51 pm
  • Veyr poor, Rob.
    But with the sinker, there’s a better chance of throwing balls. I just wonder if we’d see Wangs walk rate go up.
    Maybe not. He is a very very good pitcher. I have never prescribed to the theory of soem Sox fans that his numbers last year were a fluke. I think he’s a clear ace and I’d loooove tro have him pitchign for us. Far more than I’d like to have A-Rod at 3rd.

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 7:52 pm
  • Rios walks on 4 pitches. Ouch.

    Rob July 14, 2007, 7:52 pm
  • Wang gives up another single, but Crawford flies out after a 9 pitch at bat to end the inning. Still 3-0, DRays.
    4 pitch walk with two outs for Dice-K. He really does not have the best command tonight, coupled with a very tight zone.
    Passedbal and the runner is in scoring position for Big Hurt. Ugh.

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 7:54 pm
  • I know ARod is a great player. Stats don’t lie. Some people have taken exception to the “mine” and Arroyogate. Those things aside, the teams he has played for usually have not done well. Seattle got better after he left. Texas, well they appear to have gotten closer to being a .500 ball club. The Yanks are going to usually win. Just seems like the teams he has been on have underachieved. Not sure I really want him in Boston. A Papi/Manny/ARod lineup is hella scary.

    Rob July 14, 2007, 7:55 pm
  • 3-1 on the Hurt.
    Now 3-2.

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 7:56 pm
  • Hinske/Lugo/Coco…that has no production stamped all over it.

    Rob July 14, 2007, 7:59 pm
  • I more worry about havign him at 39, Rob. Age kills and I don’t like old players. But we don’t really have a lot of 3rd base/short stop options in the minors.
    I just don’t know. Rather early to be worryign about it though. Lets focus on Francona gettign us a pitcher, preferably a starter by the deadline. Tavarez is done. I love his insanity, it amuses me greatly… I’d love to see him in Pineiro’s role, only throwing an inning or two. But not in the rotation.
    Dice-K gets out of it.

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 7:59 pm
  • … Sonnanstine (I’m not typing that again) coming unglued now against the Yanks.

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 8:01 pm
  • Lugo gets his 999th basehit. COuld he really be back?

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • There you go Lugo. Keep raising that BA!

    Rob July 14, 2007, 8:04 pm
  • Crisp triples! Sox up 2-0.
    I hope Lugo is back. I really want to see the player that pestered us when he was with TB.

    Rob July 14, 2007, 8:05 pm
  • TB manages to get out of the inning only giving up one run.

    Rob July 14, 2007, 8:05 pm
  • Coco!

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 8:06 pm
  • Man.. it’d be awesome to have that Lugo, Rob.
    PAPI! GROUDN RULE DOUBLE!

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • Man.. it’d be awesome to have that Lugo, Rob.
    PAPI! GROUDN RULE DOUBLE!

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • Papi with the GRD and then the IBB to Manny. Come on Youk, smash the ball.

    Rob July 14, 2007, 8:08 pm
  • You know.. I cant aqctually SEE the game, but is the zone consistant? Or is McGowan better at hitting the corners than Dice-K tonight?
    Youk grounds out, but still.. we got two.
    Goog time to settle down now, Dice-K

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 8:12 pm
  • Damn, Youk grounds into the FC. This is what hurt us last night. We need to do a better job again of plating runs with 2 outs.

    Rob July 14, 2007, 8:13 pm
  • The DRays act like, well, the DRays for Wang in the 3rd.

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • I can’t see the game either. I am watching via CBS GameCenter. I have NESN, which of course here in NC means blacked out in hill-billynese.

    Rob July 14, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • Glaus hits a home run and I go and vomit.

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 8:16 pm
  • Friggin Glaus. The guy is hiiting .375 at Fenway this year.

    Anonymous July 14, 2007, 8:16 pm
  • Matsui homer to cut TB’s lead to 3-2.

    Rob July 14, 2007, 8:18 pm
  • Dice-K gettign TAGGED now. He’s got nothin’. All three balls hit far. Home run, long fly out, long double.
    I’m gonna vomit.

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 8:19 pm
  • Thankfully Zaun with a pop out.

    Rob July 14, 2007, 8:21 pm
  • Dice gets out of the inning with a K.

    Rob July 14, 2007, 8:23 pm
  • He.. escapes. But he wont last much longer.
    Also if the Yanks manage to lose tonightxs agem, I will be amazed. The Drays are reall pathetic these days.
    Even if it doesnt make Wang less effectively, taking more pitches would at least get him out of the game faster

    Dionysus July 14, 2007, 8:26 pm
  • Hey guys, sorry about no game thread. Putting one up now.
    Go Sox!

    SF July 14, 2007, 8:26 pm
  • DIdnt read the whole tread but if Boston signs A Rod, that is the end of Manny in Boston. They will trade him in the offseason to offset the cost.
    We could then see Crisp in LF and Ellsbury in CF. My view has always been we cant have both of them in the same OF because of the drop of of power losing Manny, but adding A Rod would equal a cobined output of Lowell and Manny in 2008 (In all liklyhood) so that would help me deal with Crisp and llsbury in the sme OF.
    Now add to that Lugo and that could be one speedy lineup.
    As for Lugo, can we back off the cliff a little bit guys? He seems to have found his bat just like Pedroia did, just like Crisp has. Not to mention it looks like the power maybe arriving for Ortiz and Manny, this could be a nice second half.

    TJ July 15, 2007, 12:00 am
  • the yanks are making a weak attempt to exert “leverage” with negotiations by suggesting that they won’t participate in the bidding war…cashman should stay away from the poker tables because he’s a terrible bluffer…the yankees will likely try to overpay for arod because they can’t afford to have him leave, particularly if boston is interested…but he may leave ny anyway unless the yankee bid is significantly higher than everyone else’s…he seems to be the type of guy who’d get a kick out of sticking it to the yankees and their fans by going to boston, and he’d probably love to be aiming at the monster 4 or 5 times a game…frankly, i still can’t make up my mind about whether i want him to stay or go…i’m a bit tired of his drama, and occasional on-field fumbles, but you can’t argue his talent and value to his team…he’s already won one mvp with the yankees, and you’d have to include him in the discussion this year…what may hurt him is not being from a winning team assuming the yanks don’t turn it around…

    dc July 15, 2007, 8:05 am
  • I agree completely, DC. Cashman is trying to keep the cost low by making it sound like the Yankees won’t be involved, hoping a team like Boston won’t jack the price up too high. It’s a nice try, but not convincing in any way.
    Also, the Daily News story is gettin way too much play for its substance.
    multiple baseball sources believe the Red Sox will make a huge push
    When did what a couple people at other organizations thought about what the Red Sox might do become big news? And when did the fact that the Sox — who have deep pockets and whose 3B is a free agent at the end of the season and already tried to get A-Rod once — might make a push come as such a surprise? I’d be disappointed as a fan if the Sox don’t at least make some effort to acquire the best player currently in the game who also would happen to fill a potentially glaring hole.

    Paul SF July 15, 2007, 10:21 am
  • maybe they’re bluffing or maybe they truly won’t negotiate with him if he opts out. There is a ton of money on the table here for the Yanks to lose. If he opts out, they lose $22 million is Tom Hicks’ subsidy, so I can truly believe a team like the Yanks might actually take a hard line about the deadline. I guess I believe that the Yanks might actually be being honest about what they’ll do if he opts out.

    Nick-YF July 15, 2007, 10:35 am
  • I wrote this bak in April on my blog :)
    2008 ALCS Game 1 Recap
    You just had a feeling this would happen when Alex Rodriguez jumped ship from New York after last seasons monstrous year. You just knew he would come back to bite New York right on the ass!
    Rodriguez homered twice last night including a 3-run walk off shot off Yankees closer Mariano Rivera with 2 outs in the bottom of the ninth. Its the third time this season A-Rod has hit a walk off home run off the Yankees, and the second time Rivera has been victimized.
    David Ortiz also homered for the Sox who took a 1-0 series lead with the 9-6 win.
    Curt Schilling pitched 6 solid innings before the bullpen allowed the Yankees to take a 6-4 lead heading into the bottom of the eight when Ortiz and Rodriguez hit back to back shots.
    J.D. Drew and Jason Varitek added singles in the inning but Boston left the bases loaded heading to the ninth with a 6-6 score.
    Jonathan Papelbon struck out the side in the ninth. Dustin Pedroia and Kevin Youkilis singled around a Julio Lugo strikeout and Ortiz put one to the warning track to advance the runners to second and third with two outs.
    Up came Rodriguez who nearly won the triple crown this season batting .376 with 58 home runs and 145 RBI. He took the first two pitches for strikes before sending the 0-2 pitch onto the Mass Turnpike for the game winner.
    After the game Red Sox manager Terry Francona said that he was happy with the performance of the team and that he’s glad A-Rod is in his dugout now.
    Theo Epstein who was criticised for the Rodriguez signing showed plenty of smiles from the owners box throughout the game.
    Boston won their second consecutive American League East title this season while the Yankees took home second place and the wild card.
    Game two tonight promised to be another great game as the Yankees send Philip Hughes to the mound against CY Young hopeful Josh Beckett who went 24-6 this season with a 2.23 ERA. Hughes was an impressive 19-7 during his first full season in New York and is the favorite for Rookie of the Year.

    TJ July 15, 2007, 11:00 am
  • Lugo is starting to look less like a sunk cost lately. I think he’s brought his average up over 20 points in less than a couple of weeks (not hard to do when you are hitting .189 or whatever), but he’s certainly hitting it better and playing with more verve. If Lugo comes back to career average for the duration of the season, that will make it easier to (potentially) dump him at closer to fair value OR hold on to him as a useful player. Lugo’s resurgence would have major impact on the current team and it’s ability to plan for the future. Crisp has already done the same, for his part.

    SF July 15, 2007, 11:33 am
  • the more I think about it, the more I think it would take a lot of chutzpah for A-Rod to sign with the Sox. But it would also reflect the ill will developed between management and him over these last 4 years. I mean I get that it could all come down to money, but signing with Boston has that F-you quality that can’t be denied.
    regarding Coco, Seth Mnookin wrote that he was the first half defense based on his remarkable defense. Seems a bit hyperbolic but I’d be interested to see what you guys think about Coco this season.

    Nick-YF July 15, 2007, 11:50 am

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