Batter Up!: Sox-Royals Gamer I

Snow melts. Flowers bloom. Buds appear on trees.  JD Drew mangles a body part.  Baseball returns.

It’s days like these, solemn and gray, that can be turned sunny and bright, simply through a whiff of freshly mown grass, the sight of stadia dressed in bunting, or a frozen web-browser caused by heavy traffic at mlb.com.  Today, April 2nd, is the first day of the rest of the 2007 baseball season, one that cannot come quickly enough after last year’s tough, disappointing campaign.  An offseason filled with drama (was there a more soap operatic non-event than the last 72 hours of the Matsuzaka negtiation window?!) now gives way to a season that we hope gives us even more: a pennant race, a playoff appearance, and, perchance, a run at the World Series.   We root only for the Sox to succeed, not for others to fail, though by virtue of our own team’s ultimate success all others will have done so.  Today, the "others" are the Kansas City Royals, who face Curt Schilling in an outing that we trust will last longer than 38 pitches.

Consider this your game thread for all things opening day, Red Sox style.

188 comments… add one
  • There’s a Red Sox game today? ;^)

    Hudson April 2, 2007, 3:25 pm
  • sorry. just wanted to be the first one on here. oh how sweet opening day is. go d-rays.

    sf rod April 2, 2007, 3:26 pm
  • i feel like i’m six years old and it’s christmas, but i’m awake two hours before everyone else. can’t.. wait.. any.. longer..

    Tyrel SF April 2, 2007, 3:27 pm
  • Some former Sox notes Nixon is 3-3 and Hanley is 4-5 with 2 SB DOH!
    Boston shoulda kept Trot and traded Crisp and had Trot and Pena platoon in CF

    TJ Sox Fan April 2, 2007, 3:28 pm
  • go sox

    dc April 2, 2007, 3:31 pm
  • Would Trot have signed a contract with Boston to platoon, to not be a full-timer?

    SF April 2, 2007, 3:31 pm
  • now that’s presumptuous

    dc April 2, 2007, 3:35 pm
  • Trot signed a contract with Cleveland to platoon, he probably would have done the same with us. THANK GOD the thought never crossed Theo’s mind. Trot and WMP platoon in CF – icky. Trot wouldn’t make it two months without hurting himself, and then we’ve got WMP and David Murphy as our CFs.

    Tyrel SF April 2, 2007, 3:36 pm
  • Best freaking day of the year.

    LocklandSF April 2, 2007, 3:36 pm
  • trots 3 for 3 with 3 runs scored. we’re gonna miss you christopher trotman nixon.

    sf rod April 2, 2007, 3:38 pm
  • tyrel, i thought sf’s liked wily mo…he and coocoo were both better than melky i think you said…

    dc April 2, 2007, 3:40 pm
  • Let us be real here, why would Trot not sign a part time player contract? He’s only been a part time player for the better part of three years anyhow, so what would the difference be?

    Brad April 2, 2007, 3:47 pm
  • dc:
    love WMP’s potential and his bat. don’t love his field prowess quite yet.

    SF April 2, 2007, 3:48 pm
  • I’d rather have Pena as a 4th OF then Melky Cabrera and his Ecksteinian power numbers. Kid does have great plate discpline, though.

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 3:48 pm
  • And dc, we do, and they are.

    Brad April 2, 2007, 3:49 pm
  • ditto brad.

    sf rod April 2, 2007, 3:52 pm
  • Former Sox notes: Edgar Renteria hits a 2-run homer to put the Braves over the Phillies by 2 in the top of the 10th.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 3:56 pm
  • Anyone else trying to tune in via MLBtv? First login attempt results in completely blank, frozen media player. Yay.

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:02 pm
  • dc. I like WMP as a 4th OF, maybe eventually as a LFer, not as a full-time starting CF.

    Tyrel SF April 2, 2007, 4:04 pm
  • I got in, SF.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 4:04 pm
  • Wow, MLBtv really sucks, despite the supposedly new high-bandwidth capabilities. Completely functionless at the moment.
    This is some job that MLB has perpetrated on the consumer, forcing those of us without Directv to subscribe to this POS service if we want to watch games live.

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:05 pm
  • Brad, I think Trot did sign a part-time player contract, splitting ABs with Blake, Michaels, Delucci, etc. We didn’t give him a chance to sign one with us. I love Trot, best to luck to him, but with our current roster, he’d be a fifth OFer.

    Tyrel SF April 2, 2007, 4:07 pm
  • game time boys.

    sf rod April 2, 2007, 4:10 pm
  • Hey, if Trot stays healthy then good for him (and better for the Tribe). But based on his age, past performance, history, and trends, there was no reason for the Sox to sign this guy and rely on him.
    dc just loves pushing the Trot button, so disregard the needling. The Sox used common sense in moving on, and Trot will forever be appreciated and acknowledged in Boston for his contributions, no matter that his career wasn’t spent entirely in a Sox uni.

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:11 pm
  • K swinging.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 4:14 pm
  • Sheets had himself a day.

    Brad April 2, 2007, 4:14 pm
  • Lugo works the count full… But strikes out on a foul tip on pitch #6.

    Hudson April 2, 2007, 4:14 pm
  • …chasing. As mediocre as he’s been through his career, Meche does throw pretty damn hard.

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 4:14 pm
  • They signed him thinking he’d be the next Carpenter. He has the arm. We’ll see…

    Nick-YF April 2, 2007, 4:15 pm
  • Youk singles…a little harder and it’s a double, but cut off by the right fielder.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 4:16 pm
  • Youks with the single to right!

    Hudson April 2, 2007, 4:16 pm
  • Youkilis is gonna have a monster season. I’ve been saying that all winter.
    And that was a nasty fricken change. 12 mph drop with movement.

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 4:16 pm
  • Two batters in a row have gone to 0-2…let’s hope Ortiz’s outcome is similar to Youk’s. Goes to 1-2 like Youk did…

    Devine April 2, 2007, 4:17 pm
  • sf, i didn’t push the trot button this time, i was just reacting to tyrel’s comment about a wily mo platoon…i thought you guys all loved coco, wily mo, and murphy, so why the concern?…
    play ball

    dc April 2, 2007, 4:17 pm
  • Lugo’s OBP tells me the Sox should have someone else lead off.

    bloodyank78 April 2, 2007, 4:17 pm
  • uh oh. papis back.

    sf rod April 2, 2007, 4:17 pm
  • Seriously, MLBtv sucks ass. I am screaming mad right now.

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:17 pm
  • RBI machine David Ortiz with the double to center!

    Hudson April 2, 2007, 4:17 pm
  • Papi doubles Youk home!

    Devine April 2, 2007, 4:18 pm
  • And then that happens. Surprised? Not even a little bit.

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 4:18 pm
  • “he and coocoo were both better than melky i think you said…”
    wasn’t me, but i agree with it.

    Tyrel SF April 2, 2007, 4:18 pm
  • oh yeah, Gil Meche meets David Ortiz, and then reality sets in.

    Nick-YF April 2, 2007, 4:20 pm
  • That called strike to Manny could definitely have been outside. Solidly hit on the next pitch, but the CF tracks it down. Go Drew!

    Devine April 2, 2007, 4:20 pm
  • How come Manny’s helmet is so revoltingly dirty you can’t even see the “B” on OPENING DAY! Gross.

    YF April 2, 2007, 4:20 pm
  • Should be a walk. The third-pitch strike was…pretty high. 3-1.
    Walks on the fifth pitch of the AB. Up comes Lowell.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 4:22 pm
  • Morgan: logic doesn’t apply on opening day. Brilliant.

    YF April 2, 2007, 4:22 pm
  • OOOOOWWWW!!! Joe Morgan!!! THE STUPID!!! IT BURNS!!!

    Tyrel SF April 2, 2007, 4:22 pm
  • SF, it’s a nationally televized game on ESPN; I’m pretty sure it won’t be on mlb.tv. I could be wrong, but that was how it worked when I used mlb.tv last year.

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 4:22 pm
  • I can get neither picture nor radio broadcast on MLB.com, this after having plunked down 90 bucks. FUCK THEM.

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:23 pm
  • That’s why you walk Drew, Joe.

    YF April 2, 2007, 4:24 pm
  • REALLY BAD camera work by ESPN as the pop fly behind the catcher and to his right is tracked as a fly ball to center by the camera man.
    Sorry, SF. I hope somehow your problems magically fix themselves.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 4:24 pm
  • Does Gil Meche really make the same amount of money as Curt Schilling? Does he make more than Mariano?

    Nick-YF April 2, 2007, 4:24 pm
  • No, there was a quick snippet of Morgan on video, then it froze, permanently. The ESPN thing doesn’t explain why I can’t tune into the radio broadcast, either.

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:24 pm
  • Nah, desturbd, I got ESPN on mlb.tv over here.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 4:25 pm
  • any security settings slowing down your computer, SF?

    Nick-YF April 2, 2007, 4:26 pm
  • Nope, Nick, not that I know of.
    I finally got the radio broadcast to work, but frankly I don’t want to hear Joe Castiglione, I want to SEE Curt Schilling.

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:27 pm
  • ESPN isn’t the issue – I just got half a pitch to David DeJesus on video, and then it died again. Back to Castiglione. Grrr.

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:31 pm
  • Sounds like Curt is itching to throw 100 pitches in the first three or four innings.

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:33 pm
  • Two on, 1 out for Schilling now.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 4:34 pm
  • Bases loaded on 3 hits in a row. Alex Gordon up for KC.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 4:34 pm
  • …3 groundball singles. That’s always fun.
    PS: That was a changeup on 0-2. Not a splitter. Thanks Jon.

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 4:35 pm
  • Nice, strikeout. Now here comes the real power.

    Andrew April 2, 2007, 4:37 pm
  • Struck him out with the splitter.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 4:37 pm
  • ROY whiffs. Big K!

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:38 pm
  • Oof, Curt’s looking at a 30 pitch inning.

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:39 pm
  • dc: “he and coocoo were both better than melky i think you said…”
    tyrel: “…wasn’t me, but i agree with it…”
    uh, i’ll ask it again, then why the concern tyrel?…damn

    dc April 2, 2007, 4:40 pm
  • Curt flirting with real disaster here.

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:40 pm
  • Ouch, not the most auspicious start for the Ace.

    Andrew April 2, 2007, 4:41 pm
  • 30+ pitches and he walks in the first run.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 4:41 pm
  • Tying run walked in. Blech.

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:41 pm
  • …an inauspicious beginning…

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 4:42 pm
  • Make that a 35-40 pitch first inning, potentially.

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:42 pm
  • has he reached 38 pitches yet?

    Nick-YF April 2, 2007, 4:42 pm
  • Tied after 1.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 4:43 pm
  • schilling will be fine guys…he’s still got it, just shaking off some rust…

    dc April 2, 2007, 4:44 pm
  • Curt Schilling just wrote a blog entry at 38 pitches about the tumultuos ride that was that 1st inning. Makes for great reading. Very insightful stuff.

    Nick-YF April 2, 2007, 4:44 pm
  • The mystery and deception of statistics holds here: Curt threw 30+ pitches, almost 70% of them for strikes, but couldn’t get guys out and walked in a run.

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:44 pm
  • Yeah.. thats a real rough inning for Curt. I agree he’ll settle, bu tit annoys me greatly

    Dionysus April 2, 2007, 4:45 pm
  • “Toast” up at the plate, and pops out weakly. Can we make that his nickname? Even if he makes a solid comeback, I think it would be cool if the Baseball Encyclopedia had that as his nickname.

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:46 pm
  • WHAT was Pedroia thinking?

    Dionysus April 2, 2007, 4:47 pm
  • What a pathetic base-running mistake by Pedroia.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 4:48 pm
  • OK nice hit by Pedroia…but is Hale a retard or did he just make a huge rookie mistake?

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 4:48 pm
  • Pedroia…yes, hitting down the left field line often means a double…generally not when you hit it hard and the left fielder gets to it quickly.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 4:49 pm
  • Coco taps weakly to second. Here comes Pedroia, who gets nailed at second by, according to Castiglione, a “mile”. He calls Pedroia out for a bad baserunning mistake.
    So there’s your “homer” for you, whoever it was who called Castig “disgusting” at some point a couple of weeks ago.

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:49 pm
  • What? It WAS a disgusting base-running error. Not a very good scenario to try and prove someone wrong, SF. Any person with eyes would have said that, no matter their allegiences.

    Andrew April 2, 2007, 4:51 pm
  • “toast”….that’s funny sf, and like a lot of nicknames, it probably won’t fade away, especially here…

    dc April 2, 2007, 4:52 pm
  • Morgan thinks Pedroia made a good effort there. Jon Miller clearly thinks he’s completely insane. “I beg to differ with you there Joe….”

    YF April 2, 2007, 4:52 pm
  • I may be wrong…but wasn’t that most likely Hale’s fault? I thought when a guy hits the ball to right, it’s his call with regard to whether he takes the extra base, but when he hits to left it’s up to the coach. I could have it backwards, though.

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 4:53 pm
  • dc, excuse me? you seem confused. the original suggestion was that the sox should’ve dumped coco, kept trot and platooned him with WMP. i expressed my doubts, because of trot’s injury history and the prospect of WMP manning a very difficult CF full-time is less than appetizing. i prefer coco, with WMP as a back up. i think both coco and WMP are better than melky. as a corollary, i would not want melky to be my everyday CFer.
    this is not rocket science.

    Tyrel SF April 2, 2007, 4:54 pm
  • Nice triple by Tony Pena’s son.

    bloodyank78 April 2, 2007, 4:55 pm
  • House.
    Of.
    Cards.

    YF April 2, 2007, 4:55 pm
  • Andrew:
    a “disgusting homer” wouldn’t have said much about that play, other than describing it as it happened.

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:55 pm
  • First, the Jack of Spades tipped over, and then the 8 of Diamonds followed and soon every card was face down, a mess.

    Nick-YF April 2, 2007, 4:56 pm
  • Ok, so the “house of cards” line has now been deployed by both YFs and SFs alike (myself included!). Can we now put a moratorium on it?
    It’s basically a stupid line, I think.

    SF April 2, 2007, 4:57 pm
  • Two straight pitches called on the outside corner, the final one for the K. Nasty.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 4:57 pm
  • When did Damon get the nickname “Jack of Spades”?

    Tyrel SF April 2, 2007, 4:58 pm
  • Single past Youkilis drives in KC’s second run.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 4:59 pm
  • Man Schilling looks like crap. This is mildly upsetting.

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 4:59 pm
  • Deal.

    YF April 2, 2007, 5:00 pm
  • Red Sox offense best get going, that’s the way to win this one. Bullpen’s gonna get going a lot earlier than Tito had hoped.

    Andrew April 2, 2007, 5:00 pm
  • Top of the order coming up. Go bash the Meche man around, boys.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 5:01 pm
  • And my god does typepad take a long time to post comments…this security check thingy needs to stop. Is there a way for you admins to disable it?

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 5:01 pm
  • Come on, it’s the second inning of Game #1, against the Royals. We could easily have 2 or 3 runs, and don’t. Relax everyone!!!!

    SF April 2, 2007, 5:01 pm
  • No, there isn’t, d1. I think it has to do with quickfire posts, to prevent bots from spamming the site.

    SF April 2, 2007, 5:02 pm
  • Gil Meche–The market says he’s a shut-down ace, and the market never lies!

    Nick-YF April 2, 2007, 5:04 pm
  • Yeah, I know, I was just hoping maybe it was optional for you guys. Not a big deal.

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 5:04 pm
  • I’d say this umpire’s strike zone is wide and kinda tall. Neutral observation–both pitchers have benefited.
    Lugo strikes out again, this time looking.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 5:04 pm
  • Youk is a hard out.

    Nick-YF April 2, 2007, 5:06 pm
  • Youkilis flies to right, just shy of the track.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 5:06 pm
  • Come home to see a 1-2-3 inning and us losing.

    Rob April 2, 2007, 5:07 pm
  • Weak grounder just this side of first for Big Papi. 3 up, 3 down.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 5:07 pm
  • Is Paul in KC yet, or is he just going to Matsuzaka’s game, or what?

    Whatever April 2, 2007, 5:10 pm
  • Yeah, this ump loves the outside “corner” to lefties. Gordon K’s looking.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 5:13 pm
  • Grounder to 3rd. 3 up, 3 down.
    Schilling at 69 pitches.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 5:15 pm
  • Obviously the spring did not work out the variable strike zone

    Rob April 2, 2007, 5:15 pm
  • Ok, two more efficient innings from Curt and that would be 5IP with 2ER, not too awful for an April start. Not ideal, but not awful. Come on, BATS!!!

    SF April 2, 2007, 5:18 pm
  • Agree SF…I on’t think that would be a bad warm up for the start of the season.
    Drew singles

    Rob April 2, 2007, 5:19 pm
  • I’m only half-watching the game. Has anyone noticed any changeups from Schilling?

    Tyrel SF April 2, 2007, 5:21 pm
  • Come on, Toast!

    SF April 2, 2007, 5:22 pm
  • Not yet…I cam in after the end of the 2nd

    Rob April 2, 2007, 5:22 pm
  • I’m watching that shadow creep up over home-plate. That could help Curt get through the next two or three.

    Tyrel SF April 2, 2007, 5:22 pm
  • Toast whiffs.

    SF April 2, 2007, 5:23 pm
  • You would think they would start protecting the inside part of the plate.

    Rob April 2, 2007, 5:23 pm
  • So much for the efficient inning thing. Buck doubles with 1 out. Stretch time.

    SF April 2, 2007, 5:29 pm
  • I want K-zone…that’s all ESPN broadcasts are good for and they aren’t even using it. Bah.

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 5:30 pm
  • Dang…double and now a walk.
    Time to turn two

    Rob April 2, 2007, 5:30 pm
  • And now a walk. Curt, can you get through FOUR innings?!

    SF April 2, 2007, 5:31 pm
  • Damn!!!!

    Rob April 2, 2007, 5:32 pm
  • Wow.

    bloodyank78 April 2, 2007, 5:33 pm
  • Jesus…are the gas house gorilla’s batting?

    Rob April 2, 2007, 5:33 pm
  • me: “That could help Curt get through the next two or three.”
    Or not.

    Tyrel SF April 2, 2007, 5:33 pm
  • Well this has been a depressing couple of hours.

    Anonymous April 2, 2007, 5:33 pm
  • Curt with the opening day stinkbomb. 4-1 Royals now.

    SF April 2, 2007, 5:34 pm
  • Suck, suck, suck, suck.
    SUCK, SUCK, SUCK!
    Ooooof.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 5:34 pm
  • The anon was me. He just looks really rusty; no command on any of his pitches. I’m not worried, but this just sucks to watch.

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 5:35 pm
  • David Ortiz now gathering clutchness flowers in his baseball garden of clutch. The intended result? 100-run, game-winning homerun.

    Andrew April 2, 2007, 5:35 pm
  • All right, then. Offense, you wanna go remind that dude on the mound that he’s Gil Meche?

    Devine April 2, 2007, 5:36 pm
  • I actually raced home to watch this. I was a giddy as a kid in a penny candy store thinking all day about this game. I ome home to watch Curt pitch BP.

    Rob April 2, 2007, 5:37 pm
  • Well that was not a f*cking strike to Crisp. This umpire’s strike zone to lefties is enormous.

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 5:40 pm
  • Am I the only one disappointed that we’re not getting the inside scoop between innings at 38pitches.com?

    stuck working April 2, 2007, 5:40 pm
  • You gotta be kidding with that 3rd strike call on Crisp.

    Devine April 2, 2007, 5:40 pm
  • sidenote: thanks to you all for keeping up the play by play…i’m on a horrible computer at work, and following these threads is far superior to gameday!!

    tom yf April 2, 2007, 5:41 pm
  • Not a pretty start for Lugo, 0-3 with three Ks.

    SF April 2, 2007, 5:44 pm
  • IMO the bat has to attempt to make contact in order to possibly get on base. Not like this ump having an enormous strike zone and waiting for 4 balls to get called is ever going to happen.

    Rob April 2, 2007, 5:44 pm
  • Yuck. Lugo doing about as expected in the leadoff role.

    Andrew April 2, 2007, 5:45 pm
  • …I hate this umpire. With a passion. Meche has been filthy, though.

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 5:45 pm
  • Would this be like the 6th straight loss for the Sox to KC or something?
    Pathetic!

    SF April 2, 2007, 5:46 pm
  • Is it to early to start the Youk back to leadoff bandwagon?

    Rob April 2, 2007, 5:47 pm
  • Nice DP turned

    Rob April 2, 2007, 5:49 pm
  • I’m pretty close to giving up and going to dinner…heh. What a miserable f*cking day this has been…
    Very nice DP there, though.

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 5:49 pm
  • The Youkilis back to leadoff bandwagon should be manned at all times!! Not that I want to see the RS with an optimal lineup, but come on, we’re not in the dark ages any more.

    tom yf April 2, 2007, 5:50 pm
  • Youk leads off…and gets nailed trying to turn a single into a double..eck

    Rob April 2, 2007, 5:52 pm
  • Then a wild throw and the ball bounces straight back to the fielder. No luck today, either.

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 5:53 pm
  • More first pitch swinging!
    I hate first pitch swinging, particularly in April on Opening Day against a guy who has thrown nearly 80 pitches.

    SF April 2, 2007, 5:53 pm
  • That wasn’t Youkilis’ fault. How was he supposed to know the ball would take that kind of rebound; there’s lots of foul territory and if it’d bounced a few feet to the right or left he’d have been safe.

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 5:54 pm
  • Why did Youk try to stretch that? We need baserunners, and several of them.

    SF April 2, 2007, 5:55 pm
  • arrgh!!!!

    Rob April 2, 2007, 5:55 pm
  • Meet the new Sox, same as the old Sox…
    (At least for one day)

    SF April 2, 2007, 5:57 pm
  • Welome to the big leagues meat.

    Rob April 2, 2007, 5:59 pm
  • sf, sorry to hear about the bad mlb.tv experience…that bites, especially if it’s your only option…i’m in the same boat until/if i switch to direct tv…what a bummer…at least espn had today’s games on…
    “…dc, excuse me? you seem confused…”
    “…this is not rocket science…”
    gee tyrel, why do you sf’s always resort to insults when you’re wrong?…you expressed concern earlier about wmp being your everyday outfielder or platooning with murphy, now he’s good enough to be your 4th outfielder…good stuff…of course you don’t like melky…he’s not on your team [another sf trait, welcome]

    dc April 2, 2007, 6:00 pm
  • And Buck crushes a pretty decent pitch…

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 6:01 pm
  • I’m surprised we haven’t seen Snyder. He was very effective as a long-relief guy last year, why not let him eat some innings here?

    Tyrel SF April 2, 2007, 6:01 pm
  • Anyone in Boston, using Comcast cable? ESPN switched to ESPNNews and the Sox were nowhere to be found.

    Andrew April 2, 2007, 6:03 pm
  • ” why do you sf’s always resort to insults when you’re wrong?”
    i’m sorry you feel insulted. i’m also sorry that you’re still confused. should i use smaller words?

    Tyrel SF April 2, 2007, 6:08 pm
  • jeez tyrel and dc, you can cut the sexual tension with a knife…

    tom yf April 2, 2007, 6:11 pm
  • ha.

    Tyrel SF April 2, 2007, 6:13 pm
  • …i know you’re new here tyrel, but the rest of the sf’s should be able to tell you that i don’t fall for the insult and name-calling bait…i’ll scold you for it, but i won’t stoop to that level by participating…i still think i got it right…go back and read your own comments about wily mo:
    “…Trot and WMP platoon in CF – icky…”
    “…dc. I like WMP as a 4th OF…”
    …no wonder i’m confused…i understand you don’t want him starting full time, but how does that make him an effective 4th OF?…now if you said “a 4th OF that will never have to start much [like melky had to]”, then i’d get it…those words are the right size…

    dc April 2, 2007, 6:25 pm
  • good one tom

    dc April 2, 2007, 6:26 pm
  • Perfect chance for the Sox to come back. Three best hitters in the Sox’s lineup coming up, against….Joel Peralta. Yeah.

    Andrew April 2, 2007, 6:35 pm
  • Eek. Too early for Ortiz’s clutch garden to be flowering, maybe.
    I think I might’ve jinxed it. Sorry Sox fans. Yanks fans…you’re welcome.

    Andrew April 2, 2007, 6:40 pm
  • Jesus, 2 triples in one game? This Tony Pena guy must be hella-fast.

    Andrew April 2, 2007, 6:50 pm
  • dc
    Thanks for the lecture. Over the course of this thread, you have put words into my mouth (“blah blah Melky blah”), invented inconsistency where there is none, and called me “wrong” for stating an opinion. And then you lecture me for calling you out on your homerism. Whatever.
    By definition, a 4th OFer is a back-up, while a platooner shares starting duties. Therefore a 4th OFer is a “lesser” position than a platoon, particularly a platoon with an oft-injured 30-something switching to a more demanding postion, as would be the case if Trot had stayed on to platoon in CF. The other option, for which I stated a preference, is the situation we have now, where Coco starts in CF, and WMP backs up everyone. How you find this to be inconsistent is beyond me.
    I like WMP. I like his power and his attitude. I particularly like to see him hit the ball 500 feet. I do not want him to be my everyday CF. Nor do I want Melky to be my everyday CF.

    Tyrel SF April 2, 2007, 6:56 pm
  • Went out like a fart last year and seems we started the year off with the same bad case of gas.

    Rob April 2, 2007, 7:04 pm
  • As things wrap up, would anyone mind if I provided the cliched “Chill out, it’s only one game” comment?
    No objections? Cool. Here it is: hey guys, chill out! It’s only one game. Opening Day is worth celebrating no matter what happens. Unless someone has a gruesome injury and is lost for the year. That just sucks.

    stuck working April 2, 2007, 7:11 pm
  • Agree stuck….after losing like almost everygame against the Royals last year (ok..we did win a few), I kind of expected a better performance on opening day. Not to have two base runners thrown out on plays that they should not have advanced on to begin with.
    We did have a problem last year with mediocre pitchers, which I hope is a trend we did not carry over.
    Today is great, baseball is back and should be great the rest of the season.

    Rob April 2, 2007, 7:16 pm
  • Harsh one…got to see the 8th inning Ortiz AB on a real TV. I felt bad, but not as bad as I might. One game, one loss. We play tomorrow, too!

    Devine April 2, 2007, 7:16 pm
  • Haha I echo the sentiment, Devine, but technically we don’t play again until Wednesday. :-(

    desturbd1 April 2, 2007, 7:18 pm
  • Damn. Fine then, that day!

    Devine April 2, 2007, 7:20 pm
  • Today, I heard the funniest thing I have heard in a long time. In the Royals second, when Pena hit that triple to left center and Crisp lost his footing, I heard a bear of a man nicknamed “Dino”, a cook at a sports bar where I stopped to check the score, shout with a volume that would stir the dead, “GET UP, COCO!” This man is very large, pushing a _solid_ 260 lbs. on a 5’10” frame. Everyone heard him, because he was louder than an earthquake. He came out of the back, saw me though I was trying to hide, and then let off a string of invectives about the Yankees and how he is certain they are one of the signs of the Apocalypse and the root of all evil. He’s very funny, and he hates the Yanks very very much. He has a unique talent in expressing that hatred, and he is in actuality a very nice guy. Every time I see him for the rest of the year, I am going to be hard-pressed to not yell, “GET UP COCO!”

    attackgerbil April 2, 2007, 7:38 pm
  • tyrel…sincerely man, welcome…i am a “homer” and proud of it…but so are you, and so are ALL of the guys on this site…we all have an allegiance of one kind or another, and to deny that is insincere…in fact, being called a “homer” is one “name” i won’t mind being called…it doesn’t affect my objectivity…i may be a prick at times because i’ll call people out for silly comments or make them explain contradictions, but one thing i am is fair and consistent…the other sf’s will tell you that i give credit to the sox where it is due, and i respect another’s opinion without resorting to name-calling or insults, even though i may disagree…to say i put words in your mouth is unfair and a bit revisionist…in fact, i quoted you verbatim…i would prefer not to have melky be my everyday outfielder either, but the fact is he was forced into action [a risk with the 4th outfielder] and he did very well last year…even a “homer” like you would have to agree…wily mo is right now anyway, quite unproven, and based on your earlier comments that seemed to trouble you…

    dc April 2, 2007, 8:30 pm
  • tyrel….are you out there?

    dc April 2, 2007, 9:30 pm
  • dc, at 3:40 you wrote – “tyrel, i thought sf’s liked wily mo…he and coocoo were both better than melky i think you said…” i had never mentioned Melky Cabrera on this blog until you attributed some quote about him to me. and now you write “to say i put words in your mouth is unfair and a bit revisionist…in fact, i quoted you verbatim.”
    to review – 1st – i don’t mention melky. 2nd – you say i mentioned melky. 3rd – i say you’re putting words in my mouth by saying i mentioned melky. 4th – you call me unfair and revisionist, while stating that you are fair and consistent.
    in sum, this conversation with you makes me feel like i’m on crazy pills. if we can’t agree that up is up and that down is down and that words have their intended meaning, i don’t really know what the point is. this is not intended to be insulting. i’m sure that you are a very nice person from a very nice family, and that sometimes you make very clear and lucid points based on rules of logic. this, however, is not one of those times.
    as far as Melky performing “very well,” sure, if your benchmark is me or you or Gabe Kapler. however, a VORP of 7.8 over 525 plate appearaces is wholly pedestrian. I’ll take WMP’s VORP of 14.3 in 60% of the playing time, especially since he was playing through injuries and he wasn’t getting consistent ABs.
    WMP has Ortiz-esque power, but no proper position until/unless Manny leaves. for now he is a wholly adequate 4th outfielder. this doesn’t trouble me at all.

    Tyrel SF April 2, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • wrong again tyrel…when i said “you” “sf’s”, i meant sf’s generally, not you personally, and you know damn well that’s what i meant…
    i said:
    “…tyrel, i thought sf’s liked wily mo…he and coocoo were both better than melky i think you said…”
    to which you responded:
    “wasn’t me, but i agree with it.”
    this didn’t start out to be about melky v. wmp…you made statements that you weren’t comfortable with wmp as an everyday player and i asked for clarification…i also reminded everyone that sf’s have gone on record in the past as saying that wmp was better than melky, and you agreed with the other sf’s by responding with the above quote…how is that misquoting you?…yf’s generally were very comfortable with the way melky played every day last season as a replacement, but of course we’d rather have our all star outfield in place, and i believe an objective comparison would show he fared much better than “me or you or Gabe Kapler” and wmp…trot out all the stats, not just those you’ve cherry-picked to make your case for wmp…if he’s that good, i don’t understand your discomfort…
    and, don’t patronize me with bullshit about being a nice person from a nice family and then insult me by saying that i’m not being lucid…
    and, i know you’re baiting me…it doesn’t work…

    dc April 3, 2007, 12:19 am
  • just to clarify what i mean by your “discomfort” in my previous post tyrel, you said this:
    tyrel at 3:36pm:
    “Trot signed a contract with Cleveland to platoon, he probably would have done the same with us. THANK GOD the thought never crossed Theo’s mind. Trot and WMP platoon in CF – icky. Trot wouldn’t make it two months without hurting himself, and then we’ve got WMP and David Murphy as our CFs.”
    that suggested to me that you weren’t crazy about seeing wily mo have significant playing time, which as the 4th OF could happen [see melky]…
    now you say:
    “WMP has Ortiz-esque power, but no proper position until/unless Manny leaves. for now he is a wholly adequate 4th outfielder. this doesn’t trouble me at all.”
    …i guess it’s been a long day, or it’s murphy you don’t like and not wmp…

    dc April 3, 2007, 12:32 am
  • I can’t believe I’m responding.
    Please look at what you wrote.
    “…tyrel, i thought sf’s liked wily mo…he and coocoo were both better than melky i think you said…”
    You begin by saying “Tyrel”. Meaning you are addressing me specifically. You then make a generalization about what Sox fans think about Wily Mo, which may or may not be true. Then you make a comparison of Coco, WMP and Melky, followed by “I think you said.” Not “I think SF’s said.” Not “I think you all said.” But “I think you said.” In general, the word “you” may be either singular or plural. As a reader, all I have to go on is context. You addressed me, rambled, then said “I think you said.” In this context, where you begin a posting with my proper name, it is presumed that the “you” is singular, and refers to me. If you meant to say “you all,” then it was poorly written.
    Of course, whether it is singular or plural doesn’t matter. Either you made something up and attributed it to me specifically, or you made a generalization about what Sox fans think and attributed it to Sox fans as a whole, with me as the intended addressee. Either way, you put words in my mouth.
    As for “baiting” – whatever. You can’t play dumb and then get all righteous when I call you on it. Unless you’re not “playing” dumb and you really don’t understand the difference between a back-up and a platoon. Which, come to think of it, might be the case. I’ll try to explain this as simply as possible –
    WMP as 4th OF, behind Manny, Coco and Drew = spot starts, pinch hitting, replacement OFer in case of freak injury to starter
    WMP in CF platoon with Trot = splitting starts with a injury prone 30-something moving to more strenuous position
    In the 4 OF scenario, WMP is a back up, unless a freak injury occurs to a starter. Freak injuries happen. They are not desirable, nor are they inevitable. In case of a freak injury, I am comfortable with WMP getting the starts. In platoon with Trot, injury to Trot is inevitable, making WMP the de facto starter, with Trot getting occasional starts when he’s healthy and Murphy as defensive replacement when he’s not. Do you see the difference? platoon > back-up
    As for the supposed discomfort, let’s look at my quote. “Trot wouldn’t make it two months without hurting himself, and then we’ve got WMP and David Murphy as our CFs.” The X factor here is Coco. The conversation began as an “either or” between Coco and Trot. The question boils down this – do I prefer Coco a our starting CF or a WMP/Trot patoon. I prefer Coco. He is better than he was last year, and I look forward to what he will do this year.This is no slight against WMP, just as your prefence for a healthy Matsui is no slight against Melky. I’m glad Coco is our starting CF. I’m glad Trot has moved to Cleveland, and I think he is glad too. I’m glad Murphy is getting his work in down in AAA. I’m glad WMP is our 4th OF.
    As for Melky, I’m glad he is not my 4th OF. How YFs feel about him as their 4th OF has no bearing on how I feel about him. As for “cherry picking” – like Bill James, I like VORP as short-hand for measuring offensive value. It’s not cherry picking to cite it. I also like batting average, on base percentage, slugging, home runs, and isolated power. Of these, the only one where Melky has the advantage is OBP. Corner OF is generally regarded as a power position, so I would want a replacement corner OF with some power. Melky’s power is well below average.
    Overall, WMP has a significant offensive advantage over Melky. In fact, his VOM (“Value Over Melky”) is 3.16. This means that when their plate appearances are equalized, WMP’s VORP is 3.16 times that of Melky. And this isn’t even assuming that he would have improved as he got in the rhythm of playing everyday.
    Then there’s defense. WMP is somewhat adventurous in the OF, I know. But he has good range. Overall, his defense was just below average last season, according to Baseball Prospectus. Melky was above average, though over the past few years Melky has been erratic defensively. Overall, I prefer WMP.
    Do you get it? There is no contradiction, no discomfort, no need for accounting lessons. Now run along.

    Tyrel SF April 3, 2007, 10:52 am
  • tryel, i’ll concede that i could have made myself clearer about which sf’s liked wily mo, but your comment that a platoon involving wily mo was “icky”, caught me off guard…i tried to explain myself, but instead of taking my word for it, you want to torture me with english lessons and baseball terminology…kind of insulting, but nice diversion anyway…look, i didn’t put words in your mouth….the words i quoted are YOURS…i got your position on wily mo…you want coco full time, and you hope nobody gets hurt in the 4th OF scenario so you don’t have to get too much wily mo…i already said i understood the difference…in a platoon [with trot], wmp’d get more starts…i understood that scenario was less preferrable to you, despite his talent and potential for better things than being relegated to the bench behind coco…i was just surprised you wouldn’t be willing to take more of a risk with him, that’s all…some sf’s think he’s got great potential which they believe would be realized with more experience…
    …i do love the way you try to bait me with the condescension and insults…fun stuff…it’s a tactic some other sox fans have used, especially when their argument starts to weaken [not to say yours did], but frankly i find it amusing…i do like conversing with you even if we disagree or have a misunderstanding, but i find your rather harsh rhetoric a bit of a bummer…i’m hoping we can clean the slate here a bit for the next conversation…

    dc April 3, 2007, 1:50 pm
  • “the words i quoted are YOURS”
    um, not all of them. we’ve been over this. see above.
    “i do love the way you try to bait me with the condescension and insults…fun stuff…it’s a tactic some other sox…”
    likewise, you’ve been baiting me, trying to get me to say something negative about WMP or whatever with your “oh gee, i thought you guys all thought this or that” type comments. cute.
    ” i find your rather harsh rhetoric a bit of a bummer.”
    likewise, i don’t appreciate being called “wrong,” “unfair,” or “revisionist” when i was none of the above.
    “i’m hoping we can clean the slate here a bit for the next conversation…”
    deal.

    Tyrel SF April 3, 2007, 2:14 pm
  • hahahahaha….you got it buddy, the slate is clean…but first, go back and read the thread again…I DID QUOTE YOU or someone impersonating you…everything i attributed to you was what you said [wow], with that one clarification…you did later agree with the statement, which makes this whole discussion silly, frankly….then you fired the first shot making it personal…i’ll admit i was trying to provoke a particular response by challenging you about how you really felt about wmp, but at least i didn’t make it personal with you, like you did with the condescension and insults…that’s what i mean by “baiting”…insults and name-calling don’t facilitate understanding each other at all…i don’t consider “wrong, unfair, or revisionist” a personal attack, but i’ll try to be more sensitive to your sensitivities…i’m going to let this one go because this pee-ing contest isn’t going anywhere….good stuff though, hahahahaha, i love [some] sox fans…so predictable…[some of them]

    dc April 3, 2007, 5:02 pm

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