Battle Royale: Sox-Ms Gamer II

Some games, like yesterday’s, are great to watch. Others, like tonight’s, have the potential for simple greatness.

Two great battles will be on display — Daisuke Matsuzaka versus Ichiro Suzuki, the beginning of which you can see here, and Matsuzaka versus Felix Hernandez.

Ichiro vs. Daisuke

The Monster vs. King Felix

This could be a game we discuss for years, on a par with the 1912 Wood-Johnson duel, the 2003 Martinez-Clemens playoff matchup, or the great Marichal-Gibson games of the 1960s. Two great pitching talents and two legendary countrymen facing off in the same contest.

Potentially great games often disappoint, and this one could, too. But it just might not, and that is exciting indeed.

248 comments… add one
  • is this game on ESPN?

    Nick-YF April 11, 2007, 6:28 pm
  • Hey Nick…it’s on ESPN2.

    Tucker April 11, 2007, 6:33 pm
  • Thanks! I just got home, and was too lazy to turn to on the TV.
    Gotta say, I’m lookign forward to this one, but that’s because I have a pulse.

    Nick-YF April 11, 2007, 6:39 pm
  • How can this NOT be exciting? I’ve ordered food, I’ve poured the first Sam Adams, I’m settling into the groove in my couch…game on!!!

    Tucker April 11, 2007, 6:54 pm
  • I think back to the legendary Matt Young – Charles Nagy duel of April, 1991.  Can this one top that? 
    Thankfully, Dennis Lamp has retired.

    SF April 11, 2007, 6:56 pm
  • lets get it on.

    TJ April 11, 2007, 6:56 pm
  • http://www.baseball-almanac.com/boxscore/04121992.shtml
    Another Nagy/Young matchup… aka The No Hitter That Wasn’t

    TJ April 11, 2007, 6:59 pm
  • Play ball!!!

    Tucker April 11, 2007, 7:09 pm
  • Thank God. No Joe Morgan, no Rick Sutcliffe.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 11, 2007, 7:09 pm
  • What a great night for baseball. Let’s go King Felix!

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 7:10 pm
  • throw the first pitch…

    Rob April 11, 2007, 7:11 pm
  • He is working the inside of plate on Ichiro

    Rob April 11, 2007, 7:13 pm
  • Like a cat….

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 7:13 pm
  • Nice grab taking Ichiro out

    Rob April 11, 2007, 7:13 pm
  • What a play! He’s a damn good fielder, too.

    desturbd1 April 11, 2007, 7:14 pm
  • Well, I don’t know how tonight is going to go down, and I have no idea how Daisuke will do over his Sox career, but for the night (and for the forseeable future) we are one lucky fanbase.

    SF April 11, 2007, 7:14 pm
  • what’s up with the gray undershirt?

    YF April 11, 2007, 7:15 pm
  • Slap single by Vidro the other way. Good piece of hitting with Lugo playing Vidro really far to the right side.

    SF April 11, 2007, 7:16 pm
  • what’s up with the gray undershirt?

    YF April 11, 2007, 7:16 pm
  • Yes we are very lucky. Odd to see a pither throw catch waiting to take the mound who does not take a prima-donna attitude.

    Rob April 11, 2007, 7:16 pm
  • not sure if it an undershirt or just a top piece of a shirt

    Rob April 11, 2007, 7:17 pm
  • ah. it’s a new-fangled baseball shirt: red collar, shoulders, arms and gray front/back.
    4 easy ground balls. that was awfully impressive. keeps the ball down nice, doesn’t he?

    YF April 11, 2007, 7:18 pm
  • I like how the ESPN2 guys are astonished by just about everything Matsuzaka does. “He plays catch in front of the dugout before the game!”…”He comes out early to stretch!”…”He blows on his pitching hand because it’s so cold out!”
    That said…pretty good inning for the boys.

    Tucker April 11, 2007, 7:18 pm
  • Glad he’s got that first inning done. No one could not have nerves that first inning.

    Devine April 11, 2007, 7:18 pm
  • Bit wild in the early going, but a good start all the same. He seems to get better as the game goes on anyway.

    desturbd1 April 11, 2007, 7:19 pm
  • It’s not an undershirt, it’s a dickie.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 11, 2007, 7:19 pm
  • Felix works quick, NICE.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 7:21 pm
  • i love the way ichiro basically walked out of the box while the ball was in the air on that first pitch. i know it’s kind of a hot dog move, but i’ve always loved it when players with a take on just walk out of the box before the ball even gets home.

    YF April 11, 2007, 7:21 pm
  • Hernandez is just…unfair. 99 mph to get Lugo on the groundout. Jesus.

    desturbd1 April 11, 2007, 7:22 pm
  • Felix has a SICK deuce.

    SF April 11, 2007, 7:23 pm
  • nice plays by sexton and lopez for the m’s to kick this thing off.

    YF April 11, 2007, 7:23 pm
  • It’s not a dickie, it’s the new cool base shirts. They are 2 tone.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 7:24 pm
  • Was the 84 MPH to Papi for a strike a curve or a change?

    Devine April 11, 2007, 7:24 pm
  • 88 mph changeup to Papi following a 98mph fastball. Felix looks awesome.

    SF April 11, 2007, 7:25 pm
  • lopez way back in short right for ortiz; worked.

    YF April 11, 2007, 7:25 pm
  • Come to think of it, are there people who throw 80+ curves?

    Devine April 11, 2007, 7:26 pm
  • Guillen is up, is it too early to bring in Donnelly?

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 7:27 pm
  • did the strikezone just shrink?

    Rob April 11, 2007, 7:28 pm
  • Not good…he’s way too wild.

    desturbd1 April 11, 2007, 7:30 pm
  • dm has a funky little hop-skip when he begins his delivery.
    guillen drills the monster. extra bases everywhere but fenway. johjima follows with an actual 2b.

    YF April 11, 2007, 7:30 pm
  • ruh roh….strike some people out please

    Rob April 11, 2007, 7:30 pm
  • Daisuke in a spot here, 2nd and 3rd, 1 out after Johjima doubles into the corner. More good hitting, as Kenji reaches and strongly pokes it to right.

    SF April 11, 2007, 7:31 pm
  • Decent throw by Manny….ball moved to the right of home plate.

    Rob April 11, 2007, 7:32 pm
  • Rat farts. A good throw by Manny, but a slightly better throw gets him.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 11, 2007, 7:33 pm
  • Wow, Jose Guillen is a freak. Manny makes a helluva throw and Guillen sneaks in under Varitek’s dropped tag, Guillen promptly hops up and effusively celebrates as if he just clinched a playoff spot.

    SF April 11, 2007, 7:33 pm
  • How does Johjima not get 3rd on that?

    YF April 11, 2007, 7:33 pm
  • Ahhhh shit, I thought Manny had that one. Can’t cry just yet.

    Devine April 11, 2007, 7:33 pm
  • Do you have a problem with dickies, Trisket?

    I'm Bill McNeal April 11, 2007, 7:34 pm
  • OK, that could have been worse. Though King Felix certainly looks like the type of guy who can protect a one run lead for several innings.
    Bats!

    SF April 11, 2007, 7:35 pm
  • Please, SF. When Guillen started I thought he didn’t have a chance. Manny makes a slightly off-line throw and Varitek is slow to the plate. I’d celebrate a first run from a sac fly too, especially on a play where I probably should’ve been out by feet.

    Andrew April 11, 2007, 7:36 pm
  • Cut Guillen some slack, for goodness sake! What’s wrong with a bit of emotion after coming out of a bang-bang play to put a run on a board in nationally televised game? Jeez.
    How old school do we all need to be?

    YF April 11, 2007, 7:36 pm
  • I think that Johjima didn’t pay attention running the bases

    Rob April 11, 2007, 7:36 pm
  • I’m impressed thus far. Works backwards and has thrown back to back breaking balls on a few occassions. That’s a very unique style. This guy is going to be tough to face on warm days when he can really grip those breaking balls.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 7:37 pm
  • hernandez is a good pitcher
    that kid can toss some great balls.

    TheTree1918 April 11, 2007, 7:37 pm
  • Manny = sloooooowwwwwww

    Rob April 11, 2007, 7:38 pm
  • Eh, too bad, Manny probably robbed of a single by Hernandez’ calf and Beltre’s arm on the ricochet job.

    SF April 11, 2007, 7:38 pm
  • No Billy, no issues with Dickies, but those aren’t dickies. But hey if you think they are, go with that.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 7:38 pm
  • …the way he’s throwing right now, 1 run is all Hernandez needs.

    desturbd1 April 11, 2007, 7:39 pm
  • Jeez. I fear for the day when the Yankees face King Felix. Wish I took him earlier in my fantasy draft :(

    Andrew April 11, 2007, 7:39 pm
  • So he DOES throw an 80+ curve…that one to Drew had good break.

    Devine April 11, 2007, 7:40 pm
  • This Felix kid looks like we are going to have a very long night at the plate.

    Rob April 11, 2007, 7:40 pm
  • Really, I’m just happy that someone else knows what a dickie is.
    And that strike 3 to JD was nasty.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 11, 2007, 7:40 pm
  • this is just amazing. the king is dealing. he keeps this up santana may not win the hardware this year.

    YF April 11, 2007, 7:41 pm
  • He just threw a 91 MPH CURVEBALL. Watched it 3 times with the TIVO. Not a slider, broke 12-6….that’s filthy!

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 7:41 pm
  • What does it being nationally televised have to do with anything? That’s a thin defense of his celebration, and if you are implying that Guillen was conscious of that and that influenced his reaction then my point is made even stronger. I have no problem with emotions being displayed, but the second inning of a regular season game? Guillen’s reaction was maybe a tad much for my taste.
    Meanwhile, it sure looks like Daisuke better keep the deficit at one…this Hernandez kid can throw!

    SF April 11, 2007, 7:41 pm
  • Ya. If only the Yanks got Freddy Garcia somehow..

    Lar April 11, 2007, 7:42 pm
  • Wikipedia says the Yankees tried to get Hernandez when he was a 16 yo, along with Atlanta and the Astros. Apparently the Braves offered him the most money, but he picked Seattle because Freddy Garcia was his idol, and because for some reason, that’s what his dad wanted.
    All I can say is, thank God a crap team like Seattle got him instead of NY.

    desturbd1 April 11, 2007, 7:42 pm
  • He threw an 88mph CHANGEUP to Papi right after a 98mph fastball in the first. Jeezus.

    SF April 11, 2007, 7:44 pm
  • d1, I read your mind.. ;)

    Lar April 11, 2007, 7:44 pm
  • Matsuzaka’s getting squeezed…needed the quick inning there.

    desturbd1 April 11, 2007, 7:46 pm
  • You know what you’re right, SF. This game vs. Felix isn’t a fair test of offense for ANY team.

    Andrew April 11, 2007, 7:47 pm
  • That was quick. It’s been good thus far, but for the Johjima double.

    Devine April 11, 2007, 7:47 pm
  • Matsuzaka looks pretty good if you forget that there’s another guy throwing for Seattle, but Hernandez looks so frickin amazing and his stuff is at such an elevated level, both velocity-wise and movement-wise, that Daisuke sort of looks garden-variety good, not much more. That’s scary.

    SF April 11, 2007, 7:47 pm
  • King Felix Vs. Daisuke Matsuzaka
    Moose Vs. Ramon Ortiz
    Boy we really got the short end of the pitching matchups tonight.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 7:47 pm
  • Is it too early (or too cold in Boston) to start talking about the Sox not getting any hits tonight?!

    SF April 11, 2007, 7:49 pm
  • Damn low strike on that call to Tek

    Rob April 11, 2007, 7:49 pm
  • Strike to to Tek = complete BS.

    desturbd1 April 11, 2007, 7:49 pm
  • In other, less important news, Devern Hansack was dealing today at triple-A. 5 innings, 2 hits, 2 walks, 10 count ’em 10 strikeouts. If Tavarez sucks it up in his next start, you could see Hansack up real soon.

    Andrew April 11, 2007, 7:49 pm
  • Hernandez just got a call on a 92mph curveball, which though it may have been low and/or inside, is still dumbfounding.

    SF April 11, 2007, 7:50 pm
  • shh SF

    Rob April 11, 2007, 7:50 pm
  • Two different Strike Zones right now…

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 7:50 pm
  • Agreed, d1.

    Devine April 11, 2007, 7:50 pm
  • My wife just asked “What’s that metal thing?”
    I say: “What metal thing?”
    She says “The thing sticking out of Varitek’s back.”

    Jim D April 11, 2007, 7:51 pm
  • Trisk, you guys got pretty close to a sure-win, unless Mussina’s first start were a harbinger of things to come. I’d be OK with that.

    desturbd1 April 11, 2007, 7:51 pm
  • Aw, I don’t know, guys. That call to Tek wasn’t so terrible. I don’t think the Sox are getting hosed here.

    SF April 11, 2007, 7:51 pm
  • At least Tek took 6 pitches. That and Manny’s up-the-middle-but-bad-luck shot are the offensive highlights for the Sox thus far.

    Devine April 11, 2007, 7:52 pm
  • I would bet Diamonds to Donuts that’s not a slider (Announcer keeps saying Slider) and that it’s actually a curve ball. The break is 12-6 sliders don’t generally move like that.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 7:52 pm
  • SF: I just meant that it’s a marquee game, with a lot of energy, a full house, a big matchup. It makes sense that the players are as jazzed as we are.
    Meanwhile the King is ridiculous. Matsuzaka’s been terrific but he’s been a piker compared to this. Early, of course, but this is just nuts.

    YF April 11, 2007, 7:53 pm
  • Eh, SF. I’d call it pretty far down, that “strike 2”.

    Devine April 11, 2007, 7:53 pm
  • My wife just asked: “who’s that clown who keeps starting flamewars on your blog?”

    SF April 11, 2007, 7:53 pm
  • D1, yeah but I will enjoy your matchup here a lot better. Nothing beats 2 aces dealing!

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 7:53 pm
  • OK, Hernandez did NOT strike out 15 in his first start. He struck out 12. Big difference folks.
    Ugh…I’m not even sure who I’d rather face: Santana on his game or Hernandez. I think Hernandez scares me more.

    desturbd1 April 11, 2007, 7:54 pm
  • Yeah!!! A walk!

    Rob April 11, 2007, 7:54 pm
  • There goes the perfect game!

    Lar April 11, 2007, 7:54 pm
  • Pedroia officially has the AB of the game thus far. Heck yes, he walked.

    Devine April 11, 2007, 7:55 pm
  • GO dPod

    TJ April 11, 2007, 7:55 pm
  • My wife just asked if your wife enjoyed her time with us last night.

    Jim D April 11, 2007, 7:55 pm
  • Ok, I have a beef with that call to Lugo on 0-0 – Daisuke not getting that high and outside call. Lugo grounds out – perfect game gone, at least.

    SF April 11, 2007, 7:56 pm
  • I hate to sound like the moral victory guy, but DP came back with a nice at-bat to draw the walk. He looked overmatched early.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 11, 2007, 7:56 pm
  • dPod…I like that one.

    Devine April 11, 2007, 7:56 pm
  • My wife told me no, she hates spending time babysitting for “the brats down the street”.

    SF April 11, 2007, 7:57 pm
  • Didn’t you hear: the umps said they hate Japanese guys.
    Actually, they just like the name Felix.

    Jim D April 11, 2007, 7:57 pm
  • Jim D has had some bad run-ins with the Billy Goats Gruff, that’s all.

    Devine April 11, 2007, 7:57 pm
  • I can personally accept Felix doing this to us. At least we are not having this done to us again by Gil Meche.

    Rob April 11, 2007, 7:58 pm
  • Yeah, Daisuke’s getting squeezed while Hernandez’s zone seems to be quite forgiving.
    Can anyone fault Boston for not hitting this kid today? Anyone? Gonna be honest, this was pretty much what I expected to happen. Only way to beat Hernandez is to hope he’s having a bad day and can’t find the strike zone with his slider/curve. If he can, you’re pretty much screwed and just have to try and foul enough pitches to get him out of the game early. Which isn’t easy to do since, you know, making contact is such an issue in and of itself.

    desturbd1 April 11, 2007, 7:59 pm
  • Didn’t you hear: the umps said they hate Japanese guys.
    Actually, they just like the name Felix.

    Jim D April 11, 2007, 7:59 pm
  • And so Orel calls it: gyroball = screwball.

    YF April 11, 2007, 7:59 pm
  • Yeah, that’s what I think, Rob. At least this guy is legitimately good.
    Be sweet if someone took him deep, though.

    Devine April 11, 2007, 7:59 pm
  • that was a friggin’ masterpice ab from matsuzaka. wow.

    YF April 11, 2007, 8:00 pm
  • Baby sitting? She said you’re the one that likes to wear diapers.
    Indeed, you do whine alot.

    Jim D April 11, 2007, 8:01 pm
  • Well that was strike 3 to Sexson. This is f*cking ridiculous.

    desturbd1 April 11, 2007, 8:01 pm
  • I agree Devine, I hate watching games when we are against a 4-5 starter who looks like Satchel Paige when the game is over

    Rob April 11, 2007, 8:02 pm
  • Okay, please ignore the trolls..

    Lar April 11, 2007, 8:02 pm
  • Jose Guillen is making friends across the seas now.

    walein April 11, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • Donnelly is giving him a high five after the inning

    Rob April 11, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • Uh oh. Guillen’s gonna have a fit the next time he gets pitched inside.

    Andrew April 11, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • YES!!! Here we go boys, it’s on like Donkey Kong! Who’s taking King Felix’s payback?

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • DMat isn’t exactly Doormat – great pair of K’s.

    Lar April 11, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • Who’s that trip-trapping on my thread?

    Devine April 11, 2007, 8:04 pm
  • Jose Guillen may be the only player in baseball whose team won’t feel at all obligated to “payback” another team for hitting him.

    walein April 11, 2007, 8:05 pm
  • I think Papi gets plunked.

    TJ April 11, 2007, 8:05 pm
  • I think umpires don’t call the “the batter made NO effort to get out of the way of the pitch so he can’t take first though he was hit by the pitch” enough. That Guillen HBP was a solid example of a pitch not insanely far inside on which there was absolutely no effort whatsoever to get out of the way. This is undercalled.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:06 pm
  • Wow, this is the pitching duel everyone wanted! *Knocks on wood*

    Lar April 11, 2007, 8:06 pm
  • Man, Johjima nearly took him deep. Ooooof.
    Followed by a Manny homer, TJ?
    Seriously, how about a single somebody?

    Devine April 11, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • Don Baylor would disagree with you SF.

    walein April 11, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • Felix losing command?

    Rob April 11, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • Youk walks. Papi coming up. Let’s make this kid work from the stretch for a little while.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:08 pm
  • Agreed. Hey look…maybe what I said will actually happen and he’ll lose the zone somehow.

    desturbd1 April 11, 2007, 8:08 pm
  • Jose Guillen: Kind of a dick. Something that even his mother agrees with.

    Nick-YF April 11, 2007, 8:08 pm
  • 3 runs this inning I FEEL IT

    TJ April 11, 2007, 8:09 pm
  • Papi GIDP. I fear history.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:09 pm
  • Nevermind…

    desturbd1 April 11, 2007, 8:09 pm
  • There might be a specific rule where a batter shouldn’t have to move his feet to get out of the way of a ball. Might be something to ask YFSF’s friendly umpire.

    Andrew April 11, 2007, 8:09 pm
  • damn it!

    TJ April 11, 2007, 8:10 pm
  • But yeah, I agree. Guillen is a dick through and through.

    Andrew April 11, 2007, 8:11 pm
  • Yep…Hernandez’s zone is a good 4 inches bigger all the way around.

    desturbd1 April 11, 2007, 8:11 pm
  • There is no rule that say you have to make an attempt to move out of the way. The batter’s box is yours. As the batter you cannot turn into a pitch, but you in no way have to make an attempt, that’s a myth.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 8:11 pm
  • No hits again….perhaps it is time to exercise some voodoo here in my house and see if that will work.

    Rob April 11, 2007, 8:12 pm
  • NOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTER.
    Ok. Let’s see how that works.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:12 pm
  • Here’s hoping Crisp or Lugo drop a douchey bunt down the line to break up the no-no.

    desturbd1 April 11, 2007, 8:12 pm
  • D1 you are right on man, there are 2 completely different zones.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 8:13 pm
  • As the batter you cannot turn into a pitch
    This is exactly what Guillen did – he lowered his shoulder into the pitch.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • Are you two serious about the “2 different zones?”
    I’m watching the game and Dice K has not shown anywhere near the control one needs to get borderline calls; he’s also not even coming close to borderline strikes.

    walein April 11, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • Could very well be the case SF, I didn’t really look all that close. Misunderstood.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 8:15 pm
  • ok…just chucked some chicken bones across the counter

    Rob April 11, 2007, 8:15 pm
  • He lowered his shoulder and pulled it into his body. The only way it can be an out is if he moves his arm into the strike zone to get hit by the pitch.

    walein April 11, 2007, 8:15 pm
  • This “2 strike zones” thing is something I just don’t see. Hernandez has gotten a couple extra calls, but they’ve been borderline, not horrible. He’s also been painting the plate in gorgeous fashion, so that comes with the territory. I don’t see grounds for this complaining.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:16 pm
  • Orel Hershiser just said the Sox “mortgaged the future of the franchise” on Matsuzaka.
    That’s really a stupid comment.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:17 pm
  • how about some damn sub titles!!

    Rob April 11, 2007, 8:17 pm
  • “Turning” into the pitch for the HBP rule only works if one is in the strike zone or if they actually swing for the pitch (in which case it’s a strike and not a walk).

    walein April 11, 2007, 8:17 pm
  • Walein, I am a Yankee fan so I don’t care if Daisuke ever throws another strike, but that 0-2 pitch to Lopez was strike 3.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 8:17 pm
  • Dice K got a border line strike….

    Rob April 11, 2007, 8:19 pm
  • Orsillo: “Ichiro has been Dice-K’ed”
    How long do you think he spent last night thinking about that?

    Devine April 11, 2007, 8:20 pm
  • SF
    Orel was referring to the money that was re-routed out of the Red Sox’ Teach-young-children-how-to-swing-a-bat-day-care-center, in order to sign Matsuzaka.

    walein April 11, 2007, 8:20 pm
  • Meanwhile, as I typed my comment about the two strike zones, Daisuke got hosed on an 0-2 call that turned into a bloop single.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:20 pm
  • He did, pitch 4 of the Ichiro at bat.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 8:20 pm
  • Mound visit? Anyone to the mound?

    Rob April 11, 2007, 8:20 pm
  • Ouch, suck. Good thing I’m leaving in 10 mins. Hope things turn around while I’m not looking.

    Devine April 11, 2007, 8:20 pm
  • Too bad – if Matsuzaka gets that 0-2 call the inning might have been completely different. As it was, he didn’t battle through and got what he deserved with the next couple of batters.
    Those three runs really feel like 15.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:22 pm
  • Seems like there should be cheese served, maybe a comte and rouqefort, with all this whine.

    Jim D April 11, 2007, 8:25 pm
  • come on Tekkie

    TJ April 11, 2007, 8:26 pm
  • This is honestly starting to smell like a no-no.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:26 pm
  • King Felix is pretty decent.

    Nick-YF April 11, 2007, 8:28 pm
  • Nice try, SF.. =P

    Lar April 11, 2007, 8:29 pm
  • stick a fork in “C”

    Anonymous April 11, 2007, 8:30 pm
  • Lar, the first one was a “try”, that last comment was very serious.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:30 pm
  • Well, Daisuke’s gone 6 innings, 3 runs, looked pretty darn good (if not great) but for a spot in the 5th. Nothing too special tonight: that’s been left for the King.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:38 pm
  • Rally caps on…please guys…please

    Rob April 11, 2007, 8:38 pm
  • Crisp. See ya.

    YF April 11, 2007, 8:40 pm
  • King Felix > Dice_k

    Jaycee-Yf April 11, 2007, 8:40 pm
  • King Felix > Dice_k

    Jaycee-Yf April 11, 2007, 8:41 pm
  • Pedroia. See ya.

    YF April 11, 2007, 8:42 pm
  • Wow.

    YF April 11, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • Rally? F that. We want a HIT!

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:44 pm
  • This is crazy. And something that seems to have been happening for a while: the Sox tear it up, offensively, for a game and then do nothing for the next game or two. Why is that? It’s like they use up all their runs for the series early on. The more they were scoring yesterday, the worse I started feeling about tonight’s game.

    Tucker April 11, 2007, 8:44 pm
  • Tucker, Felix Hernandez is pitching one of the best games I have seen in a long time. There’s no shame in not being able to hit a guy who is throwing like he is right now.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • guys, quit whining about the strike zone…it’s lame…
    i just want to see how good this hernandez guy is against real major league hitting…

    dc April 11, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • 6 innings, very concise 72 pitches. Interestingly, he only threw 43 strikes.. are the Sox not patient enough?

    Lar April 11, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • I am thinking big SF, but a small single to start it all off would be nice

    Rob April 11, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • Ha, dc.
    I agree about the strike zone whining – I only really saw one pitch I thought the ump botched, which in this day and age isn’t too bad.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • Meanwhile Ramon Ortiz is no hitting us…I can’t believe I am watching the Sox primarily and the Yankees only on commercials!

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • Ichiro still hitless.. Trisk, me too! D’oh!

    Lar April 11, 2007, 8:49 pm
  • Gotta love the Lumber Liquidators ad in Japanese behind home plate.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:49 pm
  • Whining? Like I said earlier, I hope all the Sox pitches are balls! I am just stating the fact that the zones are different for the two pitchers.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 8:50 pm
  • I agree, SF. Hernandez is looking fantastic. And I’m certainly not trying to take anything away from what he’s doing tonight. But over the past few years, I’d be interested in seeing how often a powerful offensive game for the Sox was followed by a scoreless or one-run game.

    Tucker April 11, 2007, 8:50 pm
  • DMat out of gas? Wasn’t close on Beltre.. now at 101 pitches..

    Lar April 11, 2007, 8:51 pm
  • I bet it’s less than you think, Tucker. One of those perception-reality things. You remember when it happens, but not when it doesn’t.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:52 pm
  • DMat with a clutch DP.

    Lar April 11, 2007, 8:53 pm
  • Moose hurt.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 8:53 pm
  • Sean Henn in.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 8:54 pm
  • you know i have to root for seattle sf, but i was psyched about getting to see dmat tonight…he’s having one of those games that is over-shadowed by his counterpart, but i have to admit, he’s good…if he leaves this inning, he’s still had a good night, regardless of how the game ultimately turns out…

    dc April 11, 2007, 8:54 pm
  • No way, man…my memory is flawless!
    OK, you’re probably right. I just wish the Sox would prove me wrong tonight already. How about repeating the output of just one of the early innings from yesterday.
    Rally cap has been donned.

    Tucker April 11, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • Hmmm. Was that the right call at first? Matsuzaka with the scoop on the tough 3-6-1 DP. The man can field!
    Probably his last inning. Under normal circumstances, 3 runs in 7 innings in the frigid weather wouldn’t be too bad, but tonight it feels really mediocre, such has been the wizardry of Hernandez and such has Daisuke’s control been a bit spotty. All in all, a grade of “B” for Daisuke from this Soxfan.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • See, it really has that no-no smell. Ibanez flubs the liner off the bat of Youkilis, but somehow dives into the catch for the first out. Those are the plays that end up saving no-hitters.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:56 pm
  • How come I have this paranoid feeling that when the Yankees play Seattle, they’ll miss Hernandez’ spot in the rotation, just like they did with Santana this week.

    SF April 11, 2007, 8:57 pm
  • for the love of god….someone please hit this kid…..

    Rob April 11, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • I guess this wasn’t too far off:
    Is it too early (or too cold in Boston) to start talking about the Sox not getting any hits tonight?!
    Posted by: SF | Wednesday, April 11, 2007 at 07:49 PM

    SF April 11, 2007, 9:00 pm
  • Wrong thread, but Jeter just made a sick play for double play.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 9:00 pm
  • This game so far, has been tremendously enjoyable to watch.

    bloodyank78 April 11, 2007, 9:00 pm
  • 85-51 through 7.

    Lar April 11, 2007, 9:01 pm
  • Sometimes pitchers get gifts from the opposition, they end up working not nearly as hard as they should, whether due to a lack of discipline by the hitting team or by virtue of a wide strike zone. But tonight Hernandez has been just fantastic, deserving of the results so far, no ifs, ands, or buts. The Sox are going to have to do something special to avoid being no-hit.
    What a great performance by the King so far.

    SF April 11, 2007, 9:03 pm
  • Florida vacation: 5K
    New Mustang Convertable: 30K
    Watching Dike K get outpitched in his Fenway debut: PRICELESS!!!
    Andrews

    Anonymous April 11, 2007, 9:05 pm
  • Pineiro in to keep Hernandez on the bench for a really long time, freezing up his arm.

    SF April 11, 2007, 9:08 pm
  • Ha, SF.
    -Andrews

    Anonymous April 11, 2007, 9:10 pm
  • Hernandez is scary good. No shame in losing to him.
    But I wouldn’t mind beating him, either.

    Michael Webb April 11, 2007, 9:12 pm
  • long break here for the king.

    YF April 11, 2007, 9:12 pm
  • NANCY!!!

    SF April 11, 2007, 9:13 pm
  • Damn! There go my fantasy points for a no no!

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 9:14 pm
  • YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Rob April 11, 2007, 9:14 pm
  • Wow, there are fantasy points for a no-no?

    SF April 11, 2007, 9:14 pm
  • Well, there’s a bad call. Lowell should have been rung up there.

    SF April 11, 2007, 9:15 pm
  • 25 extra!

    Triskaidekaphobia April 11, 2007, 9:15 pm
  • A no-no would have been icing on the cake, but Dice-K getting out pitched in his Fenway debut is fun enough for me.

    bloodyank78 April 11, 2007, 9:16 pm
  • Gah, Lowell misses a total hanger from Hernandez, maybe his only mistake of the night.

    SF April 11, 2007, 9:16 pm
  • Toast up. Chances of success? Low.

    SF April 11, 2007, 9:18 pm
  • Way to waste what looked like Hernandez’ only iffy inning.
    (—sigh—)

    Tucker April 11, 2007, 9:20 pm
  • There’s a Lugo special – gets to a tough ball, plants, and throws it in the range of Quincy. As in the South Shore.

    SF April 11, 2007, 9:26 pm
  • There’s a Quincy on LI? :)
    -Andrews

    Anonymous April 11, 2007, 9:27 pm
  • the king comes back out. i was kind of hoping that there would be one final indignity for the sox here: a blanking in the 9th by a putz. oh well. looks like he’s not going to get his save op–too bad if he’s on your fantasy squad.

    YF April 11, 2007, 9:28 pm
  • Strained hammy for Moose. Oh, frickin’ joy.

    Anonymous April 11, 2007, 9:28 pm
  • YF – As it has it, I have DMat, King Felix, and Putz. Ah well, I don’t mind, though I would like some saves.. (in a h2h league)..

    Lar April 11, 2007, 9:32 pm
  • This was just nasty..Felix is a scary pitcher

    Rob April 11, 2007, 9:34 pm
  • End it with a K. 1 hit cg shutout. Wow.
    Dice who?

    YF April 11, 2007, 9:34 pm
  • Game Over. Nearly a no-hitter, tough loss by DMat. But if that’s his off game, he should be fine!

    Lar April 11, 2007, 9:34 pm
  • The Sox got totally screwed that those Sea/Cle games keep getting rained out, pushing Felix here..

    Lar April 11, 2007, 9:35 pm
  • BRILLIANT work by Felix Hernandez. Cap tipped. Matsuzaka would have had to at least match the one-hit shutout to have given the Sox a chance, and that’s just asking too much.
    A decent debut from Matsuzaka, and nothing to make us think that he’s not for real, but sometimes the other guy is too damn good. Felix was that guy tonight. Awesome.

    SF April 11, 2007, 9:36 pm
  • Meanwhile, DM gives up 3 runs and 8 hits against the M’s? They have a decent lineup but is it even top 10 in the AL?
    Okay, so he dominated the Royals and pitched a quality start against the M’s.
    Yup, that’s a #3 or #4.

    Jim D April 11, 2007, 9:40 pm
  • With all the hype put on him, I’m thinking Matsuzaka did a pretty decent job. It would have been a very difficult task to live up to all the expectations.
    At least nobody went out with a hamstring injury. So we have that working for us…

    Tucker April 11, 2007, 9:42 pm
  • You don’t see games that well pitched very often – a real pleasure to watch.
    Andrews

    Anonymous April 11, 2007, 9:44 pm
  • “. It would have been a very difficult task to live up to all the expectations.”
    Please.
    Andrews

    Anonymous April 11, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • Eight games in and the Red Sox already have been a part of what, four outstanding pitching performances by opponents. No wonder the offense is struggling a bit. We need more Jeff Weavers.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 11, 2007, 9:48 pm
  • Do you doubt, Andrews? I mean, the guy was built up to be the second coming. I have no doubt that he will be a true force, but I think everyone needs/deserves some kind of transition time. If this was what we can expect during his “transition period”…I think he’s gonna be juuuuust fine.

    Tucker April 11, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • “…I think he’s gonna be juuuuust fine.

    Then why bother making excuses: ” It would have been a very difficult task to live up to all the expectations.”?

    Anonymous April 11, 2007, 9:59 pm
  • I didn’t think I was making excuses. Didn’t mean to, anyway.
    Just callin’ it as I see it, that’s all.

    Tucker April 11, 2007, 10:02 pm
  • @ Jim D:
    The M’s, before tonight, were hitting .167 as a team. That put them 14th in the AL.

    Kurticus Maximus- YF April 11, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • Daisuke’s effort was good. He kept the Sox in the game, in cold weather, in a home debut, under great pressure. There are no excuses: he wasn’t great, just solid.
    It was nothing not to be encouraged by. The guy sure looks like a darn good pitcher, better than a #3 or #4, at least in these two early starts. He looks like the type of pitcher that will, barring the unavoidable anomalies, give his team a chance in every single start he makes. That’s exciting.

    SF April 11, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • The M’s, before tonight, were hitting .167 as a team. That put them 14th in the AL
    I think they had played three games total, right? Big sample.

    SF April 11, 2007, 10:07 pm
  • I think he will be good, but it’s a stretch at this point to say he will be a “true force”. Will be fun to watch it play out. I agree with SF, a decent debut, nothing to hang his head about.
    Welcome to the big pond, Dice.

    Anonymous April 11, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • Andrews

    Anonymous April 11, 2007, 10:14 pm
  • @SF
    He looks like the type of pitcher that will, barring the unavoidable anomalies, give his team a chance in every single start he makes.
    Talk about small samples. Dice-K has only pitched twice, against mediocre teams, and already he’s going to be reliable in every single start, ever? That seems hyperbolic.
    The guy’s only 26, and he’s pitched twice in the big leagues here. There is absolutely no way to know how good he’ll really turn out to be. So far, he’s been pretty good. But that’s all we know.
    Granted, I took a certain amount of pleasure in Hernandez showing him up tonight, but it really doesn’t mean much for Dice-K. So far, he’s been pretty good. But it’s way, way, way too early to start predicting how his career is going to turn out, for better or for worse.

    Kurticus Maximus- YF April 11, 2007, 11:26 pm
  • That sample size sword cuts both ways.
    Especially when the Dice-K dataset only has starts against the Royals and Ms — two of the lower echelon offensive teams in the AL.

    johnmeister April 12, 2007, 12:02 am
  • Really? Man, never heard that one before…
    “Looks like the type of pitcher” is entirely subjective. With his stuff, I don’t really understand the argument here; with his stuff he SHOULD give Boston a chance in every start he makes. Can say the same about anyone with four or more plus-pitches; whether it’s actually true or not obviously remains to be seen.

    desturbd1 April 12, 2007, 12:11 am
  • Now we are grading on originality? We should probably then kill all the comments on the board.
    As for “He looks like the type of pitcher that will, barring the unavoidable anomalies, give his team a chance in every single start he makes,” — is there even such an animal?
    Even the great Pedro in 1999 got rocked in an ocassional start. Hershisher in 1988, ditto. Guidry, 1978 had a few rough starts. No one gives their team a chance in every single start. Except Bob Gibson in 1968. But I am not ready to put Dice-K in that category yet, four+ pitches notwithstanding.

    johnmeister April 12, 2007, 12:32 am
  • It goes without saying that I made my comment about Daisuke on a small sample size. But I am not going off of statistics, just my naked eye. So it’s obviously subjective. It’s like watching a hitter – can you get a sense of whether there’s a smooth swing, a good eye, while watching a young hitter, regardless of the number of at-bats?
    Matsuzaka, to me, looks like a guy who will keep the Sox in almost every game he pitches. I don’t see why this is a controversial statement.
    High Pedro, on the other hand, gave me a feeling that there was no way he could lose; that’s an entirely different level of confidence that practically nobody (save perhaps early Roger) has ever inspired.

    SF April 12, 2007, 4:15 am
  • I was at the “Who’s your daddy” game.
    See, even Pedro in his prime didn’t mean anything as far as rings go. It took the acquisition of another already declining 1A/2 to put the Sox over the top.

    Jim D April 12, 2007, 7:48 am
  • “…Matsuzaka, to me, looks like a guy who will keep the Sox in almost every game he pitches. I don’t see why this is a controversial statement….”
    it’s not controversial, the way you re-phrased it sf…
    i think johnmeister’s and KM YF’s objection was that your first rendition said that he would “…give his team a chance in every single start he makes…you did include the phrase “…barring the unavoidable anomalies….”, whatever that means [was that the qualifier?]….the insertion of the word “almost” the second time around seemed to clarify your point, and makes the notion more likely…for what it’s worth, i agree with you…dmat looks [and i know it’s only 2 starts] like the kind of pitcher who will bring a quiet confidence to the rest of the team and fans every single time he takes the mound…in “most” cases he will keep his team in the game and “often” pitch a real good and “occasionally” a great game…all this talk about whether he’s a 3 or 4, and i’m no expert, but my gut tells me he’s going to be much better than that…damn

    dc April 12, 2007, 8:41 am
  • Unit 06 gave his team a chance to win in almost every game he started.
    That’s a #3 or 4 in today’s game for the Yankees or Sox – giving up 3 to 4 runs in 6 to 7 innings. That’s a chance to win.
    But that’s far from advertised. Just like Unit.
    DM has the sheer number of pitches, but last night he didn’t show me he knows how to pitch. Three runs and eight hits against the M’s isn’t going to do it against the better hitting teams.

    Jim D April 12, 2007, 10:01 am
  • Re: “I was at the “Who’s your daddy” game.
    “See, even Pedro in his prime didn’t mean anything…”
    That wasn’t Pedro in his prime. He was already a 100 pitch pitcher by then, wasn’t he? I remember loving him and being nervous for him every start that season, watching for the flash of brilliance and hating each sign of wear. In his prime, he only made the other team’s fans nervous.

    Robin April 12, 2007, 12:17 pm

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