Bay State: A’s-Sox Gamer VIII

Everyone says Jason Bay should not be looked at as a replacement for Manny Ramirez. Of course, he’s playing Ramirez’s position and puts up his best numbers from Ramirez’s spot in the lineup. So good luck selling that one.

So Bay will understandably face a lot of pressure as he adjusts to Boston. Here’s a quick checklist to gauge how the Boston press will treat Bay’s performance tonight:

  • Home run: "Manny who?"
  • RBI: "Theo Epstein is a genius."
  • One hit: "Bay almost as good as Ramirez."
  • 0-for-4: "Red Sox lineup doomed for rest of season."
  • One or more strikeouts: "Theo is an idiot."
  • 0-fer plus an error: "Bring back Gagne!"

With that in mind, comment away!

Red Sox
1. Dustin Pedroia 2B
2. Kevin Youkilis 1B
3. David Ortiz DH
4. Mike Lowell 3B
5. Jason Bay LF
6. J.D. Drew RF
7. Jed Lowrie SS
8. Kevin Cash C
9. Jacoby Ellsbury CF
Starting Pitcher – Tim Wakefield

Oakland A’s
1. Ryan Sweeney RF
2. Kurt Suzuki C
3. Jack Cust LF
4. Frank Thomas DH
5. Carlos Gonzalez CF
6. Mark Ellis 2B
7. Jack Hannahan 3B
8. Bobby Crosby SS
9. Daric Barton 1B
Starting Pitcher – Justin Duchscherer

159 comments… add one
  • Before the game they’re playing “Bye bye bye” on mlb.tv, while doing a video montage of Manny.
    I’m tearing up a little bit.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 7:01 pm
  • Live press conference on ESPN, Manny in a Dodgers uniform. This is depressing as hell. Oh, and he’s wearing #99.
    Bay, you had BETTER take the pain away with a homerun tonight.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 7:04 pm
  • 10 pitches, 2 K’s to start the night by Wakefield.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 7:09 pm
  • 99? Um, inspired by Gagne?

    I'mBillMcNeal August 1, 2008, 7:19 pm
  • I don’t get it.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 7:25 pm
  • Okay Bay, time to make good with the awesome.
    Lots of cheers for him as he’s announced. LOTS of cheers.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 7:28 pm
  • Standing O for Bay. Very nice.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 1, 2008, 7:29 pm
  • Bay walks in the first. Good sign so far.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 7:29 pm
  • That was the longest cheer I’ve heard at Fenway since Pedro returned two years ago.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 7:30 pm
  • 99 was Gagne’s number, with the Red Sox and the Dodgers.
    Just strikes me as odd, given what a failure he was in Boston.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 1, 2008, 7:30 pm
  • Drew doubles!

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 7:31 pm
  • What? Gagne definitely wore 83.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 7:32 pm
  • Jason Bay scores the first run on a sac-fly!

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 7:32 pm
  • 24 is retired (http://mlb.mlb.com/la/history/retired_numbers.jsp), so maybe he just picked a random number.
    Or maybe it’s a Jay-Z reference?

    David (SF) August 1, 2008, 7:33 pm
  • TFMLBP Named Jed w/ sac fly, Bay scores, 1-0. So far so good.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 1, 2008, 7:33 pm
  • You’re right. Gagne did wear No. 99 with the Dodgers, right?

    I'mBillMcNeal August 1, 2008, 7:35 pm
  • IBM – wha??

    rootbeerfloat August 1, 2008, 7:35 pm
  • I’m not gonna worry about forgetting Gagne’s number with the Red Sox. I usually had my eyes closed.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 1, 2008, 7:35 pm
  • “The Future MLB Player” ?

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 7:36 pm
  • Wikipedia says: “In Boston, Gagné wore the number 83, as starting pitcher Curt Schilling already wore Gagné’s usual number 38,” so maybe that’s what he wore in LA.

    David (SF) August 1, 2008, 7:39 pm
  • No. 24 was worn by Walter Alston, the old Dodgers manager. It’s retired. Gagne wore No. 38 in LA. And apparently I was high the whole time.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 1, 2008, 7:39 pm
  • Now I’m gonna wonder where that 99 crap came from. …

    I'mBillMcNeal August 1, 2008, 7:40 pm
  • The knuckleball is really sailing all over the place tonight.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 7:41 pm
  • Hope someone tells Manny to set his watch back three hours. … Bradford said this afternoon that Manny took the team hairstylist with him. (… The Red Sox have a team hairstylist? …)

    I'mBillMcNeal August 1, 2008, 7:50 pm
  • Pedroia and Youk are awesome 1-2 hitters.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 7:51 pm
  • Ortiz misses a homer by 5 feet. Damn. Get on base Lowell so we can see Bay up with RISP.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 7:54 pm
  • Ah. Rick Vaughn, Major League, wore 99.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 1, 2008, 7:54 pm
  • Ahhh that makes sense Bill. At least Rick Vaughn made us laugh, whereas Gagne made us cry.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 7:56 pm
  • Bay, not Lowell, should bat cleanup. Lowell’s just not as good a hitter, power or otherwise.

    Paul SF August 1, 2008, 7:58 pm
  • I’d put Drew there, Paul. There’s no need to put TOO much pressure on Bay the first night.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:03 pm
  • Bay gets hit by a breaking ball; career OBP of 1.000 for Bay with the Red Sox.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:05 pm
  • Cash GIDP on a very hard-hit ball to 3B. Tough luck.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:10 pm
  • How the hell do the Angels not have a hit through 4IP… against Ponson?

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:11 pm
  • Unfortunately Theo didn’t trade for a good catcher…

    SF August 1, 2008, 8:14 pm
  • Nice, Ath! There’s a hit!

    SF August 1, 2008, 8:15 pm
  • JASON BAY MAKES A FANTASTIC SLIDING CATCH! Okay, Bay is officially awesome.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:17 pm
  • I think we already have one run saved by Bay.

    SF August 1, 2008, 8:17 pm
  • Thank you, thank you, once again I flex my jinx-related muscles. It was the first batter after I said it too!

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:17 pm
  • Really nice grab. Bay making himself quite welcome already. Good for him, he’s gotta feel pressure.

    SF August 1, 2008, 8:18 pm
  • Ponson just got squeezed badly on two horrible hitters, RIvera and Mathis, and walks them. Not that I care!

    SF August 1, 2008, 8:21 pm
  • MLBtv is AWFUL tonight. What, is everyone on earth checking out Jason Bay?!

    SF August 1, 2008, 8:22 pm
  • Ponson falling apart, walks the bases loaded.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:22 pm
  • SF, you’re getting mlb.tv lag too?

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:23 pm
  • Chone Figgins just exemplified why I don’t think the Angels will win anything: two guys walk, two balls, and he pops up a pitch to Jeter with the sacks full. Horrible approach.

    SF August 1, 2008, 8:23 pm
  • Terrible, Ath. And I can’t get Gameday to load either.

    SF August 1, 2008, 8:24 pm
  • Great, I miss hits by both Youkilis AND Ortiz thanks to lag. Good thing I have 3 monitors, and Gameday up in a different one.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:25 pm
  • Hmm, Gameday showed the fourth pitch to Ortiz off the plate and high, by a margin. Is this accurate?

    SF August 1, 2008, 8:26 pm
  • Chone Figgins just exemplified why I don’t think the Angels will win anything: two guys walk, two balls, and he pops up a pitch to Jeter with the sacks full. Horrible approach.
    The Angels offense is so hurried, so frantic in my opinion. They always seem like they’re scrambling to get as many runs as quickly as possible.
    Except for when they hit like 15 homeruns against the Red Sox in a series in Fenway.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:26 pm
  • My Gameday hasn’t even shown an Ortiz hit, Ath.
    And there’s a walk to Papi, apparently.

    SF August 1, 2008, 8:27 pm
  • Can’t tell SF, I can’t see anything on mlb.tv. Gameday showed Ortiz with a hit, but then undid that. He ends up with a walk instead.
    Come on Lowell…

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:27 pm
  • Seven baserunners for the Sox thru 4.2. Come one, efficiency! SCORE DAMMIT!

    SF August 1, 2008, 8:27 pm
  • Lowell grounds out on the first pitch. Sad face.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:28 pm
  • Nice, Lowell hacks away. Six left on, only one run.
    And Pudge GIDPs in the Bronx. He’s really paying dividends quickly.

    SF August 1, 2008, 8:28 pm
  • Bay does a great job of playing the wall, and he has a great arm too apparently; he fires it back in.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:32 pm
  • Implosion!

    SF August 1, 2008, 8:32 pm
  • Wow, now even my Gameday is lagging. It’s still showing 3 pitches thrown in the Suzuki at-bat.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:33 pm
  • Ok, my Gameday said Cust got a hit, then rescinded. WTF?

    SF August 1, 2008, 8:36 pm
  • NIce!

    SF August 1, 2008, 8:37 pm
  • Strike-em-out throw-em-out!

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:37 pm
  • Double Play!!!

    David (SF) August 1, 2008, 8:37 pm
  • This mlb.tv service is unacceptable tonight. I pay a lot of cash for the Premium service and it craps out on me? F*ck that.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:39 pm
  • Not only that, but it craps out on me on the only game I’ve been able to watch so far this week!

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:39 pm
  • Bay’s been walked, and HBP…
    How about Catcher’s interference?

    David (SF) August 1, 2008, 8:40 pm
  • Goddamnit I’m missing Bay’s 3rd AB!

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:41 pm
  • Well I guess that’s a good AB to miss.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:41 pm
  • Delcarmen puts out the fire with 4 pitches. Send him back out for the 8th, Paps for the 9th?

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 8:59 pm
  • Delcarmen trips and stumbles but throws the runner out from his knees. ANd it was 6 pitches, not 4. Stupid Gameday.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 9:00 pm
  • Youk singles again but is thrown out at 2nd, despite a lazy play by the fielder.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 9:07 pm
  • Oki in for the 8th. Please be the 2007 Okajima?

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 9:09 pm
  • GOD FUCKING DAMNIT OKAJIMA.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 9:16 pm
  • And Wakefield gets another no-decision, despite pitching awesomely. Son of a bitch.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 9:17 pm
  • I’d almost rather that Coco was hitting here in the 9th instead of Ellsbury. Sad.

    stuck working August 1, 2008, 9:46 pm
  • Well, he stayed out of the DP and advanced the runners — more than I expected.

    stuck working August 1, 2008, 9:48 pm
  • Shit, Lowell gets on base with an infield single but he injures himself running to 1st.
    Come on Jason!

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 10:09 pm
  • Jason Bay looks a lot like John Olerud.
    Bay draws a walk, RISP for Drew.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 10:10 pm
  • Bay’s been on base a lot for someone who’s 0 for 2 — I imagine we’ll see many nights like this from him. And when he screws up, we can call him a hoser! Oh, Canada…

    stuck working August 1, 2008, 10:16 pm
  • Full count, bases loaded! COME ON LOWRIE!

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 10:16 pm
  • Am I just being nostalgic or is Street having a very Hansen-esque inning?

    stuck working August 1, 2008, 10:16 pm
  • Except, of course, Hansen wouldn’t have gotten out of it.

    stuck working August 1, 2008, 10:17 pm
  • Lowrie flies out. Two wasted opportunities.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 10:17 pm
  • Another three left on base. This team looks almost no different from the team that has sleepwalked since the ASB. And now Lowell might be hurt. Starting to feel a lot like 2006.

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:19 pm
  • Cora in to play SS, Lowrie over to 3rd.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 10:19 pm
  • JESUS H FUCKFEST that was an awesome play by Cora/Youk!

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 10:25 pm
  • God, Tek is just so done. He can’t even hit a hanger.

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:30 pm
  • Remember the days when Jacoby got on base and stole? Seems like a million years ago, right?

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:31 pm
  • Dang, bad luck for Ellsbury. Though any normal left-fielder wouldn’t have fallen all over himself catching that. Cust is lumbering.

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:33 pm
  • It sure did. He had some good cuts during that at-bat though, and Cust made a good play in left field.
    Pedroia singles, time for a Youk walk-off homer.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 10:33 pm
  • Pedroia singles, another multi-hit game (and another LOB, probably!). Come on, Youk. Do it here. End this.

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:34 pm
  • Come on, Youk, don’t do your patented “I sweat everything out in the first half” fade…

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:36 pm
  • Good cut at 2-2, but fouled back.

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:36 pm
  • Oh come on, Youk called out on a pitch that looked clearly inside. Youk unhappy. Interested to see a replay.

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:37 pm
  • Youk called out on a close pitch, one that he shouldn’t have taken. And thankfully one of the base coaches runs over and hauls him in, because we’re out of bench players. Can’t let him get thrown out.
    Ortiz-Lowell-Bay for the 12th.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 10:37 pm
  • Amazingly, our new cleanup hitter is…ALEX CORA.

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:38 pm
  • Oh shit I forgot about that. Of course Cora will homer in his at-bat now.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 10:39 pm
  • Uh, Timlin? Masterson unavailable?

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:40 pm
  • Masterson was warming earlier, I don’t understand why Timlin is in instead…

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 10:41 pm
  • getting updates on phone. How hurt is Lowell?

    rootbeerfloat August 1, 2008, 10:42 pm
  • Timlin with a nasty curve/sinker. Shocker!

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:43 pm
  • Yeah, really? Timlin? Where’s Hansen? Oh, right…

    stuck working August 1, 2008, 10:43 pm
  • He didn’t look too bad RBF, probably just a little tweak.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 10:44 pm
  • Two down.
    Lowell has a strained hip, not sure the severity.

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:44 pm
  • Fister to left, squib single. Lame. F*ck. No f*cking luck this game.

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:45 pm
  • Solid play by Cora, inning out. Maybe Jason Bay can be a hero, that would be a nice closing.

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:46 pm
  • Glad to see Timlin not totally suck. Time for our #3, #4 backup and #5 hitters to rock!

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 10:47 pm
  • Alan Embree is pitching. His ERA is near 5.00.

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:49 pm
  • I remember when it was common to see Embree and Timlin in the game…

    stuck working August 1, 2008, 10:49 pm
  • I remember when Embree threw heat that had no movement and left the park in a hurry.
    Ortiz goes down looking at one. Totally fooled. Aaarrgh.

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:51 pm
  • And now Cora is up in the cleanup spot. Yeeesh.

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:51 pm
  • What shit luck.

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:54 pm
  • HOLY SHIT HE FUCKING DID IT!
    Oh god it barely misses being a homer. Triple!

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 10:54 pm
  • I thought that was gone for sure.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 10:55 pm
  • RED SOX WIN! RED SOX WIN!

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 10:56 pm
  • TURNING POINT!

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 10:57 pm
  • yes!!!!

    SF August 1, 2008, 10:57 pm
  • Got home just in time to hear the last few plays! On A’s radio even. And they are such non-homers that even they are excited for Bay.

    rootbeerfloat August 1, 2008, 10:58 pm
  • Welcome to Red Sox nation Jason!

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 10:58 pm
  • Not as dramatic of a performance as Manny’s first game in Boston, but not too bad either.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 11:00 pm
  • Perfect timing… now I get to switch over to the Dodgers game and watch Manny’s first at-bat.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 11:02 pm
  • And apparently his parents missed the game since they are on the way to Beijing to see his sister play for the Canadian softball team.

    rootbeerfloat August 1, 2008, 11:02 pm
  • Yeah, well, I’ll take it, Ath. Actually, Bay hitting a triple versus Manny hitting a HR is probably about what we can expect.

    stuck working August 1, 2008, 11:02 pm
  • Yeah I’m 100% satisfied with Bay, don’t worry stuck. I would have rather seen that triple go about 2 feet further though.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 11:04 pm
  • Wow, how funny for Manny’s 1st AB as a Dodger to be against RJ.

    stuck working August 1, 2008, 11:08 pm
  • one pitch out for Manny.

    rootbeerfloat August 1, 2008, 11:10 pm
  • Okay, Manny got a super-gay introduction… and they’re playing random techno music to his entrance.
    Wow, the Dodgers announcer just compared his entrance to Mariah Carey entering at a concert.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 11:10 pm
  • And look, Nomar is back on the DL! All is right in the world.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 11:14 pm
  • The radio guys compared him to Barbara Streisand (I think, the kids were making noise).

    rootbeerfloat August 1, 2008, 11:18 pm
  • Well, Bay walked in his first plate appearance, so the Red Sox win the trade! Hooray!

    stuck working August 1, 2008, 11:18 pm
  • David Murphy hits a walk-off in Texas!

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 11:19 pm
  • Are you just trying to remind me that we *lost* the Gagne trade, Ath? Thanks.

    stuck working August 1, 2008, 11:20 pm
  • Walk-off double, I should say.

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 11:20 pm
  • No Stuck, I’m just happy for him!

    Atheose August 1, 2008, 11:20 pm
  • Jason Bay’s line with the Red Sox: .333/.600/1.000, plus one fantastic catch.

    Paul SF August 1, 2008, 11:26 pm
  • Here’s a random Dodger question: WHY THE HELL IS ANDRUW JONES STILL IN THAT LINE-UP?!? I always knew that Torre had a soft spot for veterans, but that’s INSANE. He has 11 XBH on the season!
    Look at this line for the season, compiled over 196 ABs:
    BA .163
    HR 2
    RBI 13
    OBP .263
    SLG .245
    OPS .508
    BB 26
    SO 71
    It should be illegal for children to look at numbers like that in a box score.

    stuck working August 1, 2008, 11:28 pm
  • Manny singles.

    stuck working August 1, 2008, 11:38 pm
  • Not sure how to score Manny’s single vs. Bay’s HBP. Hmm. We’ll say that the trade still slightly favors the Sox, as of comparing their first two plate appearances. Sound good?

    stuck working August 1, 2008, 11:43 pm
  • Manny’s poor fielding just contributed to an AZ triple. Heh. Folks at Dodger Thoughts already starting with the “Manny being Manny…” reactions.

    stuck working August 1, 2008, 11:48 pm
  • Alright, this will be my last post about this Dodgers game: Torre announced he’s going to play Juan Pierre over Andre Ethier?? http://tinyurl.com/5hrjbb
    Man, that negates like half the value of the entire Manny trade. Sad. I’d like to see Manny in the post-season and that decision surely reduces the chances of that.

    stuck working August 2, 2008, 12:04 am
  • Yeah, well, I’ll take it, Ath. Actually, Bay hitting a triple versus Manny hitting a HR is probably about what we can expect.
    Except Manny would have been on first base because he watched the ball fly, the jogged to first, then thought about two, but the OF would have been well on the way to getting the ball back in, and we lose.
    Last two years, Bay has hit just as many HR as the tumor, and surprise, when he didn’t hit one, he actually legged out everything he could from the hit.
    It’s been awile since we’ve seen that from a LFer.
    The guy is a piece of shit, so lets stop deluding ourselves that we’re SO much worse off than we were a week ago. We’re better. Period.

    Brad August 2, 2008, 11:54 am
  • And lets stop with the Hanson love too – the guy has lived off a college career and Boras Hype. He was nothing short of terrible on the whole for the last three years. A few nice little moments tossed into a full bucket of suck.

    Brad August 2, 2008, 11:55 am
  • Sad. I’d like to see Manny in the post-season
    Sad, indeed.
    I’d like to see Manny have the worst two months of his career, then spend the next three years looking stupid (not that hard) in Shea Stadium being booed to the point of another “strained knee” or some other mystery ailment that keeps him out of the lineup.

    Brad August 2, 2008, 12:01 pm
  • As much as I’d like to get on Brad for his irrational hatred for Manny Ramirez, it’s hard today, what with Gordon Edes’ story in the Globe today that said Ramirez promised to be good if the Sox didn’t trade him and agreed not to exercise their option on him for 2009.
    If that doesn’t confirm that he wasn’t deliberately acting up these last couple weeks, I don’t know what does.

    Paul SF August 2, 2008, 12:24 pm
  • A) It’s not irrational
    B) I read that too, and didn’t surprise me one little bit. Boras and Manny both know that he’s going to put up better numbers (contract money making numbers), and have less opportunity to look like a totally incompetent defender if her were in Boston. They’re not stupid. Manny is going to appear to be a superior player in Boston than he is LA. He has more protection, shorter HR distances, and less ground to cover in the field.
    A full half season in LA is exactly what Manny deserves, though I can’t fully speak for Dodger fans – they probably don’t deserve it at all.
    Though, they may be smart, and put Jones in for Manny in late game situations for defensive purposes.
    Bay’s numbers will be far superior to Manny’s numbers in LA, and I’m sick of all the “we’re going to compare every AB of every night” between the two guys.
    Imagine what Manny’s numbers would be if he was being protected by Laroche and Doug M for the last year?
    Good riddance, and good luck getting that 100M$ slice of “mental peace” somewhere else. A city that leaves games in the sixth inning is exactly what this guy needs. Nobody to care what he does (or doesn’t do) on a nightly basis.

    Brad August 2, 2008, 12:47 pm
  • And Kudos to the Sox for telling Boras where to stick it when it comes to this bum.

    Brad August 2, 2008, 12:47 pm
  • Brad, it’s somewhat irrational.

    Nick-YF August 2, 2008, 12:56 pm
  • Chill out Brad, nobody above said that we’re a worse-off team. All I was saying is that after Manny’s first game (homer on first pitch) I was hoping to see some Bay-related heroics. We almost did (with a walk-off) but I’ll GLADLY take the triple. And I’m happy to have Bay replacing Manny, even if I do miss Manny a good deal.

    Atheose August 2, 2008, 1:02 pm
  • Brad, it’s somewhat irrational.
    Okay, I admit it.:)
    Ath, I wasn’t getting on you or your comments, Buddy.
    It was more a general statement, and I should have classified it as such. I know that some people miss Manny, I’m just not one of them. I do think the Sox are a better team without him, and apparently, a good number of the guys on the team thought so as well. From the attitude to the level of play last night (the did face one of the better pitchers in the AL this year) – everything was different, and I LOVED the difference.
    But again, I wasn’t jumping on anything you said. Although, SW’s comment about “we can expect triples instead of HR” strikes me as one that suggests that Manny has so much more power than Bay right now, and clearly the numbers suggest differently. He’ll hit just as many HR as Manny from here on, and that’s without the rest of the crap that comes with actually being Manny instead of him.

    Brad August 2, 2008, 1:14 pm
  • Fair enough Brad. Also, I for one think Bay is going to LOVE hitting with the Monster in left field. I bet you can see a giant spike in the number of doubles he hits.

    Atheose August 2, 2008, 1:21 pm
  • I agree – and actually being surrounded by competent hitters won’t hurt him either. This is why I suggested that he hit third and Ortiz then Lowell, then Drew, then Youk. It goes L -R the whole way.
    Bay has taken a good situation into an awesome one for him to produce, and Manny has taken a huge step back in LA.
    Only down side – Bay’s agent = Boras. ha. So the better he is this and next year, the Boras inflation percentage will automatically kick in. I hope it stays near JD Drew type money, and not Tex type money.

    Brad August 2, 2008, 1:46 pm
  • Bay got on base in 3 out of 5 at-bats, scored both of the Boston runs, played great defense in left, and had a huge clutch hit. Though I may be the only SF here who was sorry to lose Manny, I couldn’t be happier with Bay’s debut (sample size being miniscule, of course).

    Hudson August 2, 2008, 2:23 pm
  • Brad,
    Where does it say his agent is Boras? Cot’s and MLB4u both say Joe Urbon/Octagon Sports

    QuoSF August 2, 2008, 2:35 pm
  • Quo –
    In a moment of mental lapse, I took something I heard this morning on Mustard and Johnson for face value. But, you are correct.
    My apologies.

    Brad August 2, 2008, 3:04 pm
  • No need to apologize, just wanted to make sure there wasn’t a snippet of something I’d missed.

    QuoSF August 2, 2008, 3:17 pm
  • Bay was on base 4 times not three (triple, HBP 2 walks) and though a pair of walks is not as sexy as a pair of singles, it’s still a man on first.
    The run saving catch in the 5th by Bay could have been a total game saver.
    To my way of thinking for a first game, a two out 12th inning triple, one that leads to to a walk-off win, trumps an early game homer by Manny in his first Sox AB, any day, every day. Bay scored both Boston runs and while he might not be said to have dominated that game, he put his stamp on it.
    Manny’s stamp on his first Dodger game?
    2 for 4, two singles (the good) while defensively turning a double into a triple (the bad) AND with his team down a run in the 9th he grounded into a double play with none out (the ugly).
    I agree 100% with Brad and if I could retro-actively fine Ramirez for some of his more blatant behavior including some of his past stupidities, I would. If you aren’t for Manny all the way, in his mind, you are an enemy. The fact is, Manny has always been, and will always be, a spoiled child that has tantrums when everything isn’t exactly the way he wants them.
    Well, Manny the Man-child is gone and anyone who misses him is missing the point, at the end he was more of a cancer than even his greatest production numbers could ever hope to overcome.
    Thanks for the World Series wins Manny.
    Hope the door didn’t hit you on the ass as you left the clubhouse.
    P.S.
    Stay in the National League… K?

    Brian Houk SF August 2, 2008, 4:15 pm
  • I hope my Manny schadenfreude moves on rather quickly. I rather enjoyed seeing him and Jones dog it on that triple, as well as him hitting into a DP in the 9th. It was all so sweet, especially after Bay played such a vital role in the Red Sox’ victory.
    And I hope he grows up. That petulent child act has lasted far too long, and we have been his enablers. Well, we and his bat. And, yeah, I’m gonna miss that bat.
    With news that he lobbied to stay after the deal was done, it seems clear that he doesn’t think about consequences and only lives in the moment, that he’d never heard the phrase, “Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.” He suddenly realized that his comfort zone was gone, that he had no more room to “be Manny.”
    And when HOF time comes around, I want to know that kissing and making up part took place a long time before hand. Manny meant way too much to this organ-I-zation for it to end like this. I hope someone helps him realize it. (And I doubt that someone will be Boras, based on his comments in Shaughnessy’s column today.)
    I still feel like Papi, melancholy and uncertain, knowing that Manny did it to himself, feeling cheated because Manny quit on me, and knowing that it really didn’t have to be this way.
    OK, enough is enough. There’s a pennant to win. And it’s going to be tough, Manny or no Manny.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 2, 2008, 5:49 pm
  • “Where does it say his agent is Boras? Cot’s and MLB4u both say Joe Urbon/Octagon Sports”
    Brad and Quo: It’s been reported that Bay is represented by Boras. I heard it at least twice from the afternoon mouths on WEEI. Loudmouth Pete Sheppard repeats everything he hears.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 2, 2008, 5:53 pm
  • To be clear, I’m not suggesting that Boras IS his agent, only that I’d heard it reported, too. It is my understanding that Boras is NOT his agent.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 2, 2008, 5:54 pm
  • You forgot ‘Strikes out twice but scores the only two runs of the game including a clutch triple in the 12th.’

    SoxAddict August 2, 2008, 6:10 pm
  • No gamer for today I guess. Can someone explain to me why Varitek bats before Coco?

    rootbeerfloat August 2, 2008, 7:06 pm
  • Tek is ahead of Crisp in the line-up because if Varitek makes the final out of any inning you have Crisp (who has spent a good chunk of his career leading off) leading off next inning. Additionally, If he gets on base to start the next inning, with his speed, Crisp opens up all sorts of possibilities.
    AND, if Crisp makes the final out of any inning batting 9th, well then you are back to the top of the order.
    On the other hand if Varitek bats 9th and Crisp, batting before him, makes the final out of any inning, Varitek would lead off the next inning. Varitek is the worst possible choice to have leading off, if he gets on, while that is well and good, he’s so slow that there is a good possibility that double will not score him from first.
    Crisp, if he’s running, with his speed has a chance to score on a well placed single.
    So, that’s why Tek doesn’t bat 9th and Crisp/Jacoby do.

    Brian Houk SF August 3, 2008, 10:16 am

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