Blogging-Related Injury?

From the Boston Herald:

Roughly a week before pitchers and catchers are due to report to
spring training, the Herald has learned today that right-hander Curt
Schilling has a significant shoulder injury that could end the veteran
right-hander’s season and is causing tension and friction between the
player and club.

While neither Schilling nor Sox officials could be reached for
comment, baseball sources have indicated that the club has at least
inquired about the possibility of voiding the one-year, $8 million
contract Schilling signed last November. It is not known to what
lengths the Sox have gone on the matter, but their threat has been
serious enough to create a conflict between Schilling and the Red Sox.

While the precise nature of Schilling’s injury is not known, it is
believed that the right-hander is suffering from an injury to the
rotator cuff and/or labrum that might require surgery. It is possible
that the sides disagree on how to treat Schilling’s ailment and that a
course of treatment, too, is a part of their disagreement.

If Schilling has surgery on his shoulder, it is almost certain that he would be unable to pitch this season. is suddenly on my must-read list these next few days.

Thanks to Sam-YF for the tip.

84 comments… add one
  • 1. Not surprised.
    2. No worried.
    3. Was surprised we gave him another year anyway.
    4. Thank god for pitching depth.

    LocklandSF February 7, 2008, 2:11 pm
  • Of course, if true, this hurts that pitching depth. I do wonder (again, if true) what the Sox will do.
    am I forgetting someone?

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 2:13 pm
  • Yeah, it’s a sting Nick, it chips away, but again, I was suspect of Schilling this coming year anyway.

    LocklandSF February 7, 2008, 2:15 pm
  • The irony is that, based on projections, this makes the Sox stronger…I think.

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 2:16 pm
  • No, this is bad news. Schilling was, reasonably healthy, going to be a serviceable pitcher, if no longer a top-of-the-rotation one. This can’t be spun as good for the Red Sox, losing a proven veteran who was expected to contribute, especially a pitcher.

    SF February 7, 2008, 2:21 pm
  • I think it could make them stronger on paper but at the cost of depth. What happens when Wake goes down or one of the young guys pushes up against his innings limit?
    Who is the next starter up SFs?

    sam-YF February 7, 2008, 2:21 pm
  • of course, it’s bad news. I didn’t mean to imply otherwise. Depth gives flexibility, fills in quality innings.

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 2:23 pm
  • is tavarez still around? he could be a swing man.
    (get it? ’cause he’s a brawler? AND he wanted to be a porn star? “swing”? it works with both of those… and he could spot start…)

    Yankee Fan In Boston February 7, 2008, 2:27 pm
  • I assume Theo has Billy Beane’s phone number? Joe Blanton, baby! Coco needs a place to play!

    SF February 7, 2008, 2:29 pm
  • Coco and some prospects. But which one?

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 2:30 pm
  • Masterson? Gotta throw a pitcher back, for sure.

    SF February 7, 2008, 2:30 pm
  • let’s focus on the bigger issue. john mccain now has his running mate.

    Yankee Fan In Boston February 7, 2008, 2:33 pm
  • so true, YFiB. So true. This is obviously a thinly veilled way to get on the ticket.

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 2:34 pm
  • has there been any other report to back this up? is this for real?

    Yankee Fan In Boston February 7, 2008, 2:38 pm
  • McCain/Romney wins in a landslide. It’s the best of both words for that side of the aisle.

    Brad February 7, 2008, 2:44 pm
  • And I think this forces the Sox to move Crisp, and probably get stronger in that department. I like the idea of Lester/Buchholz better anyhow, and do think that it’s a better option.
    This matters little to me, especially since if something is really wrong, Schilling probably knew all along.

    Brad February 7, 2008, 2:46 pm
  • yep. After several seconds of thinking about it, I’ve decided that I’m happy about it. Schilling that is. Not Romney dropping out.

    Anonymous February 7, 2008, 2:48 pm
  • Fantastic. I just traded for him.
    Schilling and Ichiro for Drew and Vazquez. Now I have even more reason to dislike this man.
    I don’t think it makes the Sox better, that’s silly. Schilling when healthy is a very solid pitcher, aged or otherwise. His experience and big game propensity will be tough to replace. The Sox are still the best team in the game, but it is a blow for sure.

    John - YF February 7, 2008, 2:59 pm
  • Any Democrat needs to be worried about Romney dropping out, I just don’t see either Obama of Hillary beating McCain, certainly not Hillary.
    Obama needs to get the nomination now for there to be any chance of taking the White House from the Republicans.

    LocklandSF February 7, 2008, 3:13 pm
  • the polls back up what you’re saying, lockland. obama has a shot against mccain, but hillary doesn’t stack up as well.

    Yankee Fan In Boston February 7, 2008, 3:15 pm
  • House of Cards! [JOKE!!!!!!!!]
    Let’s keep this to handicapping baseball, not elections. And in any case, as a supporter of both Clinton and Obama, let me just say I’m not dreading a ticket led by McCain, no matter his VP choice.

    YF February 7, 2008, 3:26 pm
  • not pulling the trigger on a deal that would send away masterson and lester looks even better for the sox now.

    Yankee Fan In Boston February 7, 2008, 3:28 pm
  • Uhm, sending Masterson and Lester for Santana would be a great move, and would still be considered a great move if this is true. With Beckett, Santana and Dice-K at the top of your rotation for the next three years, I really don’t think Masterson (a guy who has about 50 innings in AA, and is considered a future setup man) and Lester (who has yet to prove his ceiling is anything better than a #3) would be a big loss. Hell, they can go with two Kei Igawa’s and still have the best rotation in the AL. If Lester and Masterson for Santana were ever actually an option, Theo would have been an absolute fool not to take it.
    Anyway, this will just force the Sox to put Buchholz in the rotation. Less depth, yes, but probably better numbers anyway.

    AndrewYF February 7, 2008, 3:34 pm
  • So he probably passed a physical in November. Right? So what was he doing in the meantime that could lead to a shouler injury. Even if it was pre-existing, how did he exacerbate it? I wonder if his new training program designed to make him lose weight did him in.

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 3:35 pm
  • I agree, Andrew.

    Brad February 7, 2008, 3:36 pm
  • Lifting weights can hurt. Maybe he just overdid it.
    Maybe this is all blown out of proportion.

    Brad February 7, 2008, 3:37 pm
  • i was thinking that they could use one (probably masterson) as trade bait (probably with coco, as someone mentioned above).
    those guys aren’t the answer, but they have more bodies to shuffle.
    i guess having santana wouldn’t hurt, either.

    Yankee Fan In Boston February 7, 2008, 3:38 pm
  • Are the Sox regretting not trading for Santana now? I would think so.
    Even if this does allow Buchholz to start the year in the rotation, he’s not topping 160 innings, so the question becomes — as it is with the Yankees’ prospects — what happens toward the end of the season?
    Tavarez was serviceable last year, but I’d like to avoid a repeat. Hansack? Pauley? They’re still hanging around if need be.
    Though all this assumes the article is accurate. What baseball sources are they if they’re not with the Red Sox and not affiliated with Schilling? Sounds iffy to me.

    Paul SF February 7, 2008, 3:39 pm
  • true, Paul. Who knows the truth. Though, I think Tony Masserotti tends to get things right. But maybe I’m wrong.
    The issue is whether he definitely needs surgery. Obviously, even if an MRI shows something, he could decide to pitch through it a la Brad Radke because he’s finished after this year anyway.

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 3:44 pm
  • Yeah, Mazz is usually pretty good when he’s not unjustifiably bagging on Manny Ramirez, so it does lend some credibility. Still, I’m curious what non-Sox sources could know about this because federal privacy law doesn’t like employers giving out medical info to anyone.
    Sudden thought: Maybe it’s someone in MLB’s legal office who knows about it through the Sox’ efforts to void the contract. This actually makes a lot of sense.

    Paul SF February 7, 2008, 3:48 pm
  • Paul – if they just slot Buchholz in as the 5th starter, he’ll likely not go over 150 innings in the regular season. With Beckett, Dice-K, Wakefield and Lester, you’ve got guys who can all go 200 innings, Lester maybe something like 185.

    AndrewYF February 7, 2008, 3:49 pm
  • Kyle Lohse anyone?

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 3:53 pm
  • I really hope the Sox sign Lohse. He will get DESTROYED.

    AndrewYF February 7, 2008, 3:56 pm
  • The Sox may feel they’re all set with Tavarez or Snyder as the spot-start/long-relief guy. Not sure I feel the same way…

    Paul SF February 7, 2008, 3:56 pm
  • Rotowire brings up the name Freddy Sanchez as a possibility, someone I like as an insurance plan on the Yanks. He’d be back mid-season, and is a decent starter.

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 3:58 pm
  • I don’t want to call anyone an idiot, but there’s no way in hell McCain chooses Romney as a VP. They dislike each other too much for that to happen.
    Guliani and McCain are both good friends and have met several times since Guliani gave up last week, so he’s the most likely choice.
    The Red Sox have Tavarez/Pauley/Hansack to fill some innings, as well as Masterson down the stretch if need be. Coco needs to go somewhere, so he’ll probably be traded for a starter as well. Bedard hasn’t officially gone to Seattle yet, right?

    Atheose February 7, 2008, 4:03 pm
  • Good point, Andrew. Jon Lester and Julian Tavarez combined for 34 starts last season and threw 181.2 IP, so being at the back end probably will help manage Buchholz’s innings just because of the ebb and flow of the season.
    It’s purely irrational, but I’m suddenly excited to see Buchholz for a full season instead of Schilling.

    Paul SF February 7, 2008, 4:04 pm
  • It’s a tough loss and eliminates depth, but I think this just forces Buchholz into the ML rotation sooner, which isn’t all bad. The biggest risk for young pitchers is getting injured, and they can get injured pitching in the minors or the majors, so as a general premise, better for him to be pitching in the Majors.

    yankees76 February 7, 2008, 4:06 pm
  • bedard is headed to seattle for his physical. they’re expecting a press conference as early as tomorrow.

    Yankee Fan In Boston February 7, 2008, 4:06 pm
  • Damn you for the bad news, YFIB.

    Atheose February 7, 2008, 4:10 pm
  • I’m with Paul, I’m fired up to see what the kid can do.
    YF, not to keep talking about it, but I support Obama too. I just have little faith that enough of the American people are socially evolved enough to vote for Obama, or Hillary for that matter, and that makes me sad. Frankly, this election seemed like a slam dunk for the Democrats to me 2 years ago, I mean, how could they lose to the Bush party? Part of me, a selfish part of we, wishes the Democrats had run a more mainstream candidate and taken the gimme 4 years. I guess I’m a pessimist.

    LocklandSF February 7, 2008, 4:11 pm
  • I’m excited as hell to see Buchholz starting. I’m sad about Schilling, but at least there’s a silver lining.

    Atheose February 7, 2008, 4:15 pm
  • the globe is reporting the same story now

    sam-YF February 7, 2008, 4:17 pm
  • I think the Globe actually broke it first, with the Herald breaking the attempt to void the contract.
    Unfortunately, for purposes of this site, Nick and Sam broke this story, to my longstanding shame and chagrin.

    Paul SF February 7, 2008, 4:21 pm
  • is the report from the globe from a second source, or are they just referring to the same story?

    Yankee Fan In Boston February 7, 2008, 4:21 pm
  • Lockland: It’s still pretty much in the Dem’s hands. Don’t kid yourself by listening to Fox. As for the VPs mentioned here:
    -Romney delivers nothing but Utah.
    -Huck is strong with the evangelicals, but he’s a crackpot. the blow up the irs/no evolution thing is a killer nationally.
    -Giuliani delivers zero states.
    McCain supports a continued presence in Iraq, which is wildly unpopular, and the Bush economic/tax policy, and now we’re in a recession.
    Don’t kid yourself.

    YF February 7, 2008, 4:25 pm
  • ha.
    That’s pretty funny, YF. Daydreams are nice, but as much as normal people want to believe otherwise, this country is nowhere near far enough along to elect either Obama or Clinton.
    It was a nice thought though.
    Don’t kid yourself.

    Brad February 7, 2008, 4:29 pm
  • Lockland: It’s still pretty much in the Dem’s hands.
    Hey, everyone thought that in 2004, too. And of course Kerry lost horribly. Don’t get too cocky.

    Atheose February 7, 2008, 4:30 pm
  • we shouldn’t get sucked into politics on a baseball page, no matter how right some of us are. ha.

    Brad February 7, 2008, 4:30 pm
  • here’s the globe’s story:
    this has more meat to it than the herald piece.
    schilling says he can’t comment on the matter. that is not a good sign, but no one can confirm what the extent of the injury is.

    Yankee Fan In Boston February 7, 2008, 4:34 pm
  • Hehe, I would not underestimate the strength of a McCain-Huckabee ticket. Huckabee will bring on the conservative/Southern base that McCain might lose (look at the results in the Super Tuesday races), while the independents crucial to a Clinton/Obama election may find McCain more palatable — particularly against Clinton.
    Think about this: In the midst of an unpopular war, Bush managed to win more votes in nearly every single state, county and congressional district in the nation than he had in 2000. John Kerry was that bad of a candidate, and the GOP is that good about turning out its own side.

    Paul SF February 7, 2008, 4:35 pm
  • PLEASE dont talk politics here, its my only escape from a topic that has otherwise consumed me (it is after all the offseason). There are so many other places to talk about this stuff….

    sam-YF February 7, 2008, 4:41 pm
  • more democrats than ever showed up at the polls this week, paul. the dems might finally have an energized base.
    that said, i think this will end up being a squeaker again.

    Yankee Fan In Boston February 7, 2008, 4:42 pm
  • Ok, I’ll drop the politics. I used to be a lot more into it, until I started covering it for a living. Then baseball became my diversionary activity.
    Coco and Masterson for Blanton? Get it done, Theo! ;-)

    Paul SF February 7, 2008, 4:43 pm
  • That’s my concern too, I’m an independent and I really like Obama, he’s a breath of fresh air, if he’s the candidate, I will vote for him. The real problem is that I don’t really dislike McCain, I won’t vote for him, but I should really dislike him, the Democrats haven’t done a good enough job of that.
    YF, you’re not going to get anywhere throwing the FOX/sheep label on independents, it’s intellectual elitism that got the Democrats in to this mess to begin with.
    Also, I have never watched Fox News, but thanks for being a dick to a guy that supports your position, which I thought was, get the Republicans out of the White House as soon as possible.

    LocklandSF February 7, 2008, 4:44 pm
  • Ok, no more politics, sorry.

    LocklandSF February 7, 2008, 4:45 pm
  • whoa, Lockland, buddy! I say we move from this topic.
    Onto religion!

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 4:46 pm
  • A Blanton trade doesn’t seem likely given the paucity of rumors connecting the Sox to the A’s the last few weeks. This has been known for a while, no? Wouldn’t we have heard more Blanton talk the last couple of weeks if the Sox felt they needed to replace Schilling?

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 4:51 pm
  • Blanton? Really? Blanton is an innings eater, really unimpressed by him. I would wait and see what else you can get. I mean really all you would need is a #6 if you are confident that Buchholz can be a #5.

    John - YF February 7, 2008, 4:52 pm
  • what’s up with those scientologists?
    (kidding. please don’t sue me.)

    Yankee Fan In Boston February 7, 2008, 4:53 pm
  • also, according to Rosenthal, the Reds are in pursuit of Blanton.

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 4:53 pm
  • Sorry, but accusing somebody of being manipulated by Fox is about the greatest insult I think you can levy on a person. In one swoop you’re basically saying they are a pod with no ability for independent thought at all.

    LocklandSF February 7, 2008, 4:54 pm
  • I will leave politics at this, but to say that I did not mean to demean you Lockland, or suggest that you were a Fox fan, simply that your analysis aligns with what they are offering, and I think it’s based not on fact, but on their own sense of dogma. “AMERICANS AREN”T GOING TO ELECT A CLINTON!!!!!” That’s what they say, but New Yorkers are Americans, and we did elect a Clinton, and more Americans voted for her on Tuesday than John McCain. Those are realities.

    YF February 7, 2008, 4:55 pm
  • Take Hucks votes and apply them to McCain. It was more than a two man race for McCain.
    Okay really. Lets stop while we’re all still civil.

    Brad February 7, 2008, 4:59 pm
  • very funny, yfib.
    No matter the alliance, everyone loves a good scientology jab.

    Brad February 7, 2008, 5:00 pm
  • I expect Crisp to be moved within the week. Any takers?

    Brad February 7, 2008, 5:00 pm
  • YF, read my comments again. I thought I was clear, I don’t think it has anything to do with her being a Clinton. I’m worried about enough of the American people being SOCIALLY EVOLVED enough to elect with Obama or Clinton.

    LocklandSF February 7, 2008, 5:06 pm
  • I expect Crisp to be moved within the week. Any takers?
    I think you have to move him this week, before Spring Training starts. You don’t want to start moving people after that.

    Atheose February 7, 2008, 5:10 pm
  • I once went to a celebrity Scientology center and tried to convince the receptionist that I was a Czech rock star named Jiri. They weren’t convinced. It was New Year’s Day morning and I hadn’t slept the night before. Somehow I ended up at the Met looking at paintings with my friend. We nearly fell on a few classics as we were so tired. And then we discovered this celebrity center across the street, and rather lethargically I did my act. If I had more energy, I would have been in!

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 5:10 pm
  • Nick:
    I think a lack of rumors is more likely to indicate stuff going on then a lot of noise does!

    SF February 7, 2008, 5:23 pm
  • very true, SF, very true.
    I have mixed feeling about Blanton. He’s valuable because he’s durable, but he has a generally low k-rate, and he pitched in a ballpark and a defense that’s great for his style.
    You can probably cobble together a fifht starter out of Tavarez, Buccholz, and Harnsack and not be killed by doing that.

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 5:30 pm
  • I suppose it’s all a matter of how long the Red Sox knew about it. And if they had been negotiating for a while with a team, did the asking price just go up astronomically with the public release of this information?
    An interesting question, particularly from a reporter’s standpoint, as Tony Massarotti, Gordon Edes and Nick Cafardo may have directly cost the Sox XXXXXX by printing those stories, if that scenario is true.
    Though I’d counter (enjoying my public argument with myself?) that it was actually the leaker that did that. The reporters rightly printed news of significant interest to their readership once they had it confirmed.

    Paul SF February 7, 2008, 5:30 pm
  • so… clemens available or not?

    sf rod February 7, 2008, 5:30 pm
  • “so… clemens available or not?”
    well done

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 5:31 pm
  • actually, that’s kind of an interesting statement, sf-rod, because if the Mitchell Report doesn’t happen, isn’t Clemens to the Red Sox not a crazy possibility?

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 5:32 pm
  • paging bartolo colon.

    sf rod February 7, 2008, 5:33 pm
  • You can probably cobble together a fifht starter out of Tavarez, Buccholz, and Harnsack and not be killed by doing that.
    This is very true, witness this genius post. ;-)

    Paul SF February 7, 2008, 5:33 pm
  • I’d rather take a flyer on a Julian Snyder/Kyle Tavarez then on most of the dreck currently available on the FA market. It seems that while losing Schilling does cost the Sox dearly in depth, it’s easy to forget they still have it — with two pitchers with ML starting experience (Snyder and Tavarez) on the 25-man roster, another (Hansack) on the 40-man and a fourth (Pauley) in Pawtucket.
    It’s not ideal, but if Wake goes down for a month, you could do worse than cobbling together five starts from those four.

    Paul SF February 7, 2008, 5:40 pm
  • It seems Pauley’s also on the 40-man. My bad.

    Paul SF February 7, 2008, 5:42 pm
  • Wow, yesterday I posted about the omission of Buccholz from the YFSF speculative Sox roster, saying that an injury or implosion was almost inevitable, and hoping that Boston got to *pick* where to slot him in, rather than having to do so by default. Didn’t expect the outcome so quickly.
    That said, while I remain skeptical of any rookie before proven over a couple seasons (just because so few fulfill the high hopes of fans), Buccholz as a #5 is hardly a bad option for the Sox. The thing is, Boston no longer has a serious #3, unless Lester or Buccholz steps way up.
    [P.S. to Lockland SF: There are many Republicans who hate McCain, and Obama polls well among independents. Most polls show Barack ahead of Bush’s on-again-off-again-BFF.]

    Hudson February 7, 2008, 6:09 pm
  • Ok, I swear this is my last comment in this.
    “There are many Republicans who hate McCain”
    True, but do you really think those Republicans will vote for a Democrat?
    “Most polls” are +/- 3% apart right now, you want to hang your hat on that?
    Here is my point, really, this could have and SHOULD have been a LANDSLIDE, no doubt, no speculation. The DNC made it a race with the candidates they have put forward.
    I said the same thing in 2000. Had it been McCain instead of Bush, it would have been a LANDSLIDE for McCain, but no, the RNC then, much like the DNC now, stuck to “their guy” instead of going for the clear victory.
    This is what I don’t get, shouldn’t the victory mean more than the statement? I suppose both sides should be commended for sticking to their ideals, regardless if you agree with those ideals.
    It just frustrates me to no end, there is no reason GWB should have ever been in the White House.
    Ok, I’m done, I promise.

    LocklandSF February 7, 2008, 7:04 pm
  • I’d just like to point out that everyone here is on the internet reading a joint Sox/Yanks site and that we manage–by and large–to be civil to one another. That alone makes us a freakish statistical anomaly.
    That said, I was really interested to hear what political views the Dark Side holds.

    Adrian-YF February 7, 2008, 7:10 pm
  • That said, I was really interested to hear what political views the Dark Side holds.
    Darth Vader always struck me as a socialist.

    Atheose February 7, 2008, 7:50 pm
  • // do you really think those Republicans will vote for a Democrat? //
    I know plenty of Republicans, and the answer from them has been:
    * If it’s McCain vs. Obama, they will look at Obama seriously, but most likely they won’t vote for either;
    * If it’s McCain vs. Hillary, they will clothespin their noses and crawl over broken glass to vote against Hillary.
    They even have a name for themselves based on this — “broken glass Republicans.”
    Check out Romney’s speech today to conservatives, announcing his withdrawal — McCain’s name was loudly booed, though organizers had begged people not to, and McCain himself was booed again — like Dick Cheney at Yankee Stadium — when he appeared in person later.
    (And I will drop the matter, now, too.)

    Hudson February 7, 2008, 8:32 pm

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