I hope Jeter wins (well, most of me, part of me really is rooting for Mauer), and there is no doubt in my mind he’s a very viable candidate (top 3), but I disagree with nearly everything Ryan said in that article. Heh.
Jeter should be the MVP. The Yankees have the best record in baseball after the Mets, who will fold soon. Given the injuries the Yankees had this year (Matsui, Sheffield, Cano, Moose) the fact that we are in first place by 11.5 games proves Jeter’s value. Without him we would not be in first.
Jeter is the MVP. Sox are in the toilet.
I am a happy man this year.
Try this fun fact on for size. If the Yanks go 5-13 in their remaining games…the Sox must go 17-0 to overtake NY. =}
(Thank Steve Lombardi over at WasWatching for that one)
Really, Joey, if you look at recent records, the Sox are the Yanks’ MVP this season, not Jeter.
Really Paul, if you take one look at the standings page you’ll find the the NYY have the best record in the league.
I guess by your sour grapes logic, the entire AL “are the Yanks’ MVP.”
You cling on to those should’ve would’ve could’ve fantasies real tight don’t you?
lp, I think Paul was being a bit sarcastic there. Lighten up a little!
He’s said the same thing multiple times over since the Sox’ collapse. And we’ve had an exchange about it before.
If I’m mistaken, pardon me for taking him seriously. I won’t do it again.
I also think he was digging at the Sox and their inability to beat the Yankees, too. Jumping on him for that is kind of silly, no?
I’d vote for Santana. The man leads the league, at least as of a few days ago (haven’t checked since) in K, IP, and ERA, not to mention wins. If that isn’t enough for a pitcher to win it, what is?
Wow, lp, just lighten up a little, please. If I can’t attack the Red Sox without being attacked by a Yankee fan for attacking the Red Sox, I guess there really is no end to the arrogant Yankee-fan mentality that all the baseball world must bow before the great and glorious pinstripes.
And considering that before the current six-game winning streak, the Yankees were somethlng like 15-13 in 28 games, I have a hard time seeing how you can’t credit the Red Sox for ceding them the division.
I believe they’re 31-15 since July 31. No so bad.
No, the six-game streak has definitely changed things.
what does that mean, Paul? Since the all-star break, the Yanks have a 39-20 record. They weren’t spectacular during that brutal 21 games in 20 days stretch, but basically they did the job. But since the all-star break, they’be been playing at a clip that 106-win clip.
English be not me first language. Whoa!
“I have a hard time seeing how you can’t credit the Red Sox for ceding them the division”
See, this is what I understood the meaning of your very first statement to be. You act as if the AL East was something the Sox owned to give away – and then you want to talk about arrogance.
Let’s talk DELUSION first.
With respects to the division race over the last 10 years, the Red Sox have never been anything but paper champions fueled by hype and RSN chest-pounding.
AL East Titles
Y – 9 RS – 0
Y – 6 RS – 1
Y – 4 RS – 1
And if it weren’t for an un(lucky) bounce of the ball in October 2004 and the Yankees’ subsequent collapse, there would be zeros down the column for the Sox.
You can’t give or cede what was never yours to begin with. And, again, I guess the entire American League has just handed them the best record.
The Sox were in first place at the All-Star Break and fairly well in control of their own destiny. Since then, their hideous play has given the Yankees the division.
The Yanks might have won it anyway; they might be in first place now, but it would still be a tight race. I think this year is different from last, when the Red Sox played well down the stretch but the Yankees played better. In this case, the Sox have been very bad and the Yankees have been good.
Since both teams play for the World Series championship, and not the division title, I’m not sure how all but the final row in your list matters anyway. I’ll gladly take the Wild Card and the Series win every year. And in that respect, the Red Sox are anything but paper champions, and they’ve beaten the Yankees to do it — lucky bounces or not.
After all, taking the last five years, that list reads:
AL East titles
NYY 5, Sox 0
NYY 2, Sox 1
World Series titles
Sox 1, NYY 0
In which case it’s the Yankees who are the paper champions.
If you’re looking for me to give the Yanks some credit, I’ll gladly do so: The Yankees this year are a better team then the Red Sox. I just think that’s the Red Sox’ fault.
Paul, no one needs you to give the team with the best record in the AL any credit. We just need you to come back to reality.
“I’ll gladly take the Wild Card and the Series win every year.”
Um, that happened ONE year for you – and you’re still milking it (and will probably continue to your grave). But, then again, it’s all you’ve ever known, so it’s to be expected – as annoying as it is.
Yeah, that’s right. Yankee fans NEVER milk certain events in baseball history long after they happened (1918, 1978). It’s only us poor, pathetic Red Sox fans who do that. Yankee fans, who of course are entitled to their wins year after year and are equally entitled to brag about their many wins half a decade after their last one, don’t need to resort to such tactics.
Ok, guys, this is absurd. Paul, a Sox fan, took a dig at the Red Sox, his own team. lp, you wouldn’t let him even do that, that wasn’t enough for you. What do you want from him?
And who WOULDN’T prefer a wild card championship coupled with a world championship every year? I certainly would make that trade every time. Are you kidding me? Division titles are great and all, but really, isn’t the World Series a heck of a lot better than those, what with the wild card?
And that’s not to dismiss the amazing run the Yankees have had with the division these last several years, but for heck’s sake, there isn’t a player on any of those division winning squads who wouldn’t have traded that division crown for the wild card coupled with a ring. Not one.
Paul, I have never mentioned 1918 or 1978 to you. I’ve only experienced those through history and have no personal connection to those seasons. So your comment is a generalization.
I’m only bragging about recent winning seasons that I’ve experienced as a Yankee fan, not ancient history. Several players and the manager from the 90’s dynasty are still in the clubhouse. And winning 4 WS inside of 5 seasons is a phenomenal feat in any sport at any time. It just sucks for you as a Red Sox fan that it was the Yankees that did it.
“…took a dig at the Red Sox, his own team”
And a passive-aggressive, backhanded swipe at the Yankees in the process. Paul and I have been down this road before. It’s really cheap to imply that the only/major reason that the Yankees won the division is because your team faltered.
The Yankees have the second best record in all of baseball. The math is not on your side here. If the Yankees struggled against the other playoff contenders or had the worst record of the other division winners, then you’d have a point. But that’s just not the case.
The Yanks are winning the division because they played the best baseball of anyone in the league, independent of the Red Sox. The Sox have never been the gatekeepers of Yankee success – outside of a week and a half in 10/04.
I posted a chart from ESPN on a thread yesterday which compared this season’s Yankee offense with that of the three best in Yankee history ’98, ’61, and ’27. The team stats put them in the mix with those three – and this is without Matsui and Sheffield. So, to slight what the Yankees have accomplished this year is just sour grapes.
BTW, just for giggles, if the Sox had remained 100% healthy this season, how many games do you think they would have won vs. what they’re actually on track to win?
Also, adding Sheffield, Matsui, and Cano to the existing lineup, including Abreu, for the full season as well as a healthy Pavano performing as expected when he was signed, how many games to you think the Yankees would have won?
I think the Yankees still would have taken the division.
Why would you add Pavano and Abreu?
In which case, can I add a healthy full-season David Wells, add Matt Clement and Coco Crisp performing to expectations absent injury?
Sure, you can have your Coco (as long as you’re looking at his total career), Wells performing over his last few full seasons and Clement.
The reason why I stiuplate Crisp’s entire career is because you guys had some seriously inflated expectations with respects to him. He’s no Damon.
I basically agree with lp here. To me Paul is mischaraterizing the Yanks’ level of play. He’s done this in past posts, so that’s the history that lp is referring to in this thread. To read some of Paul’s posts, you get the feeling that the Bombers are backing into the play-offs and the division lead. That’s just not the case. I’ve already mentioned their 2nd half record. They’re playing division-winning baseball. As much as I love this rivalry, the Yanks’ success has not been based entirely on the Sox’s amazing collapse.
What a dumb argument. Both teams were rocked with injuries. One team persevered. End of story.
“One team persevered”
That’s a hypersimplification and avoids some germane personnel-related issues for both teams, but whatever you want to believe is whatever you believe, I suppose.
hey paul, wrong again, i see….lp is right…you keep eating from the sox bowl of sour grapes…you try to spin your comments after you make them, but YF’s are wise to you….saying that the yanks success is primarily due to the sox collapse is bogus….the yanks continue to be a superior team, and proved that in the second half…they now have a better record than the tigers, and are percentage points behind the mets….the sox collapse is a mirage since they were a paper tiger to begin with….face it, they are not a good team, and were running on fumes all year…that bubble was doomed to burst, and the sox were going to lose either way, like they always do…the number of games behind just measures the degree of the sox inferiority and futility…
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