Bob Watson Still Hates the Sox

Bronson Arroyo gets 6 games for hitting a guy in the thigh, but Lance Carter gets 5 for throwing right at someone’s head.   David Ortiz gets fined for yelling at the guy who threw at his head?  WTF?

Is Watson still on the Bombers’ payroll?

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  • BOOO HOOOOO.

    Bob April 29, 2005, 2:57 pm
  • Hey, it’s not a big deal from a pure numbers standpoint – Ortiz misses no time, Arroyo misses a start, no big deal, I’m not complaining about the suspensions for the most part. But in principle, particularly with Ortiz, how does he get fined for yelling at a guy who tried to hit him in the head? Did he threaten to kill him and his entire family? Did he call him a stupid honky? I mean, since when is MLB in the business of fining guys who react to beaning attempts with a shout as opposed to a charged mound? I don’t get that one, at all.

    SF April 29, 2005, 3:04 pm
  • Agree with you there SF. That is a silly fine. I can see the Brandon suspension but I don’t get how you can get fined for yelling at someone who threw at your head. When did this become such a soft sport?

    Hammy April 29, 2005, 5:11 pm
  • Though I loathe to go back to the Sheffield incident, let’s go back to the Sheffield incident. Gary shoves a perceived belligerent, cocks his fist at him, and draws no punishment. Ortiz yells at a perceived belligerent but never gets withing fifty feet of the guy, and gets fined. As it happens, I was in total agreement with the decision not to punish Sheffield; it’s the double-standard I object to. You’d think Watson would want to take a harder line in the situation where the perceived belligerent is a fan, if for precedential reasons than nothing else. After all, players have been getting pissed about being thrown at for as long as the game has existed, while the player vs. fan phenomenon is relatively new. Oh, well. Maybe the “message” that MLB was trying to send in the way that it handled the Sheffield situation was directed just as much to the beer-swilling yahoos as it was to the players.

    MJL - SF April 29, 2005, 5:44 pm
  • Just for the record, the “player vs. fan phenomenon” isn’t actually anything new. Check Cobb, Ty for a few particularly choice episodes in its history. If anything has changed it’s that there are cameras around, which make said confrontations a lot harder to cover up, not to mention a more adversarial approach with the media, which isn’t interested in doing so.

    YF April 29, 2005, 7:06 pm
  • Player vs. fan may not be new in absolute terms, but it is undoubtedly new since you and I have been fans. One can go back to the wild and woolly days of baseball for all kinds of thuggish incidents both on the field and around the periphery of the game, but there’s no question that we’re seeing a rash of violence whose impact on the public consciousness can’t be explained by the mere presence of TV cameras, which, after all, have been around for decades. I am hard-pressed to think of a single episode from the 70’s or 80’s where a player and a fan got into it in the midst of a game (as opposed to outside the stadium or in a bar somewhere), and no, Morganna the Kissing Bandit does not count. Meanwhile, in the last couple of years alone we’ve had incidents involving Chad Kreuter, Milton Bradley, Frank Francisco, Gary Sheffield, Tom Gamboa (the KC coach who got mauled), Laz Diaz (the umpire who got sucker punched), and several others. Something is definitely going on here.

    MJL - SF April 29, 2005, 7:39 pm
  • Arroyo is a starting pitcher. His 6-game suspension will only cost him 1 game of actual playing time.
    Carter is a relief pitcher. His 5-game suspension will probably cost him 2 or 3 games of actual playing time.
    Who got the stiffer penalty?

    Sam April 29, 2005, 7:46 pm
  • Arroyo. 3 appearances for Carter in mop-up is probably 3 innings, 4 max. One start for Arroyo is 6 innings and splinters the rotation. Watson knew what he was doing.

    SF April 29, 2005, 7:49 pm
  • “Is Watson still on the Bombers’ payroll?”
    I wish. He was a hell of a lot better GM than Cashman.
    That said, I can’t believe Ortiz was fined, and relief pitcher or not, he should at least have the same suspension as Arroyo, and probably longer.

    JeremyM April 29, 2005, 9:56 pm
  • So SF, you’re saying that you think Carter should have gotten 8 or 9 games, to make sure that he loses as many IP as Arroyo will lose in that one start? I don’t think that’s how it works …
    I mean, after all, Nixon got 2 games. But what if Trot takes the suspension at a time when the Red Sox are due to face two LHP in a row (as he will probably do)? He wasn’t gonna play those days anyway, except for maybe a couple of pinch-hit AB’s — maybe. So by your logic, because of his extreme platoon splits, Trot should have gotten probably double the suspension he received. That way MLB could MAKE DAMN SURE Trot misses two full games worth of AB’s.
    No, sorry SF. I think I like it better the way it is.

    Sam May 1, 2005, 9:48 am
  • One could argue that Nixon didn’t even deserve a suspension, that Ortiz deserved nothing, and Nixon deserved the fine that Ortiz got. But that’s not really the issue – the issue is the relative severity of punishments. Arroyo got enough games to force him to miss a start, and Carter got enough to force him to miss a couple of appearances. In pure terms, Arroyo comes out the worst, and he’s NOT the guy who threw behind someone, got embarrassed by a home run, and then threw at a guy’s head. It’s a bit inequitable, in my opinion. Not terribly inequitable, mind you, but inequitable nonetheless.

    SF May 1, 2005, 10:33 am
  • There ya go. News item: Trot will begin serving his suspension today. Oddly enough, the Red Sox will be facing two lefties in a row, Mike Maroth & Nate Roberson. An MLB version of tax evasion.
    Yes, the relative severity of punishments. Glad we’ve got that straight now.

    Sam May 2, 2005, 6:52 am

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