Bold Prediction

Manny will play for the Boston Red Sox in 2009. I don’t know how, but I know it’s more likely than Steve Buckley’s suggestion:

But now it’s time for the Red Sox to be big boys about all this and
either continue with the enabling . . . or, and let’s say it again,
toss Manny out.

Literally. Throw him out. No, wait, that would be violent. And we
don’t want to be advocating violence here. That’s Manny’s job – you
know, tossing 64-year-old men to the ground and all that.

So escort Manny out to the pavement, right out there on Yawkey Way,
and tell him to take his whiny agents and sycophants with him.

Literally. That would be quite the spectacle. I’d imagine if I were a Sox fan walking along on Yawkey Way and I saw this situation, I’d think I was tripping the light fantastic.

24 comments… add one

  • i don’t know. it seems like the tide has turned around here. the press, who not so long ago perpetuated the “manny being manny” thing, have now begun to write these kinds of articles. even tim mccarver, who would giggle with absolute glee while using the phrase was suddenly taking the man to task yesterday.
    my sox fan friends have one by one stated that they’d like him gone. even those who had been his biggest defenders.
    i would not be surprised in the least if he’s in a mets uniform in february.
    (and i’d be happy to see that happen from a YF perspective.)

    Yankee Fan In Boston July 27, 2008, 10:48 am
  • I can see why SF is so sensitive this morning. Not only is his team falling apart on the field, their management is falling apart with a good push from the press. To all the enablers here, what was the MRI debacle any ways? And from an organization that usually hides injuries?

    A YF July 27, 2008, 10:54 am
  • I don’t see any evidence that SF is particularly sensitive, and the antagonism of the above comment is not welcome here. Whatsoever.

    YF July 27, 2008, 12:20 pm
  • There is one imminent departure from the Boston sports scene, however, and this one is not good.
    Gordon Edes apparently has given notice at The Globe and depart for Yahoo! on Aug. 1.
    http://shots.bostonsportsmedia.com/2008/07/at-long-last-gordon-edes-gives-his-notice-at-the-boston-globe/
    This completely blows. Gord is a pro, and one of the best.
    But it’s a sign of the times, too.

    I'mBillMcNeal July 27, 2008, 12:21 pm
  • Really YF? Calling out “another piece of antagonistic crap” and decrying “horseshit” but without responding to actual facts is the mark of a sane moderator leading by example?

    A YF July 27, 2008, 12:38 pm
  • Manny … Someday we might understand his enigmatic persona, and maybe all of this crap he keeps pulling.
    Shoving a card-carrying AARP member to the ground. Pulling Nomar after Nomar.
    No doubt it all looks bad. Real bad.
    But just dismissing him as an enormous, selfish a$$hole is too easy. Specious. Although that might really be it, there has to be more to it that that when you consider all of the evidence: a guy who works as hard as he does to be one of the best at his craft, a guy who has immense ability, a guy who can guy you excited just by fouling off pitches because that’s when you know he’s dialed in, waiting for the right pitch to destroy. His unGodly postseason numbers. When he’s happy he seems like a guy you could hang with for a week and he’d keep you entertained every minute. He gives to charities and makes time for fans for no reason.
    He signs up with Boras. Says he wants to stay in Boston, says he wants the Red Sox to pick up his options. He’s been more affable with the media this year than ever.
    But then he does so many things that only harm his cause.
    We’re left to ponder all of this nonsense.
    No one has ever gotten inside his head. Is he really hurt? Is this a big temper tantrum? Has he never really matured? Is he lashing out in desperation because for the first time in his career he doesn’t know what’s in store for him next season?
    The worst thing of all is that even if none of this really does not affect his play, it sure as hell looks like it does.
    As is often pointed out here, Teddy F. Ballgame took his beating from the Boston media, too. History has shown us that most of that criticism was the result of reactionary, biased reporting.
    I’m at a point where the only benefit of the doubt I can give him is that there’s that synapse that most of us have that says, “um, don’t do that because it’ll be a detriment to the team and make you look bad,” doesn’t always fire for Manny. I really, really, really doubt that Manny acts with malice. I DO think that he doesn’t think things through and consider consequences.
    And, worst of all, all that last paragraph really is is rationalizing on my part.
    Someday.

    I'mBillMcNeal July 27, 2008, 12:49 pm
  • YF, give it up.
    He’s just trying to ruffle as many feathers as possible because he knows he basically not welcome here on his preferred terms.
    It ain’t goona change him. You’re best just barring his IP address from the site.
    I wish you would.
    Please.

    I'mBillMcNeal July 27, 2008, 12:54 pm
  • The Yanks are hot right now, but personally I hate it when my team has a huge winning streak. Why? Because once the winning streaks end the team always makes up for it by playing like shit.
    It happened to the Sox in 2006, it happened to the Houston Rockets this year. I’d rather have my team winning 2 out of every 3 than have a big win streak.
    Speaking of streaks, the Blue Jays have won 5 in a row. They’ve got some fantastic pitching–it’s a shame they signed Eckstein and dropped Frank Thomas (though Thomas did get injured about a month later).

    Atheose July 27, 2008, 2:00 pm
  • Additional antagonistic comments will result in erasures. And, again, I’m not really interested in arguments about consistency, fairness, or censorship. Bottom line, this is our site and we want it to be an enjoyable place for everyone who comes here. Don’t bother responding to this.

    YF July 27, 2008, 2:01 pm
  • Apropos of nothing, George Brett comments on Ellsbury and Pedroia:
    “I’ll tell you who I really watch is Jacoby Ellsbury. He’s just a hard-working kid who is very, very exciting. When he puts it together, he’s going to be special because he’s so talented.”
    Dustin Pedroia?
    “No. Swings too hard for a second baseman, in my opinion. I think he’s having a very good year. I just think he swings too hard. Just hit line drives, gap to gap, and don’t swing from your [rear] on every pitch.”

    I'mBillMcNeal July 27, 2008, 2:40 pm
  • I just think he swings too hard. Just hit line drives, gap to gap, and don’t swing from your [rear] on every pitch.”
    Damn new-fangled kids these days with their big swings!

    Atheose July 27, 2008, 3:36 pm
  • I’m no psychologist, but I play one on the Internet…
    “Manny being Manny” is probably the most accurate assessment of all. He obviously doesn’t play life by the same rules most of us do. I don’t think he’s a jerk or any of the other names that get tossed around (except when he gets a big hit that beats the Yanks). But people who don’t want to conform eventually wear out their welcome when they’re trying to be a part of “the establishment.” Baseball will tolerate a lot of individuality if the player is helping the team and not being a distraction. Seems that Manny is getting to the point in his career where his production isn’t going to be worth putting up with his shenanigans.

    nettles July 27, 2008, 3:46 pm
  • Exactly, Ath. That’s what cracked me up about it.
    That was from today’s Boston Globe, by the way.

    I'mBillMcNeal July 27, 2008, 3:51 pm
  • frankly yf, i think you’re over-reacting to a’s comment…you guys are looking for trouble where there is none…he owe’s us the example where sf was “so sensitive”, but to threaten him with censure, then suggest that his comments would be erased is not cool…some of you boast about being journalists and attorneys, yet you want to limit certain posters and certain styles of engagement, by censure, erasing comments, or outright banning…using the word “antagonistic” is comical given the sytle of certain moderators…if you want an exclusive club, say so, make it by invitation only, and if some of us don’t qualify by virtue of our contrary ways, so be it…

    dc July 27, 2008, 4:24 pm
  • dc, I ask that you abandon this topic immediately. I will be glad to discuss it with you off list.

    attackgerbil July 27, 2008, 4:29 pm
  • I am thoroughly disgusted with the lies told that there is license given to pro-sox commenters that is not given to pro-yanks commenters, the false allegations of bias in moderation, and the continual perpetration of persecution complexes.
    Note to all: understand that the moderators will delete comments at their discretion and without explanation, as they owe none. We thank all of you who choose to participate, but we will maintain a level of decorum and civility on this board. If this method of operation does not suit you, there are plenty of outlets that may accommodate your taste.

    attackgerbil July 27, 2008, 4:38 pm
  • I was at the game yesterday (uggh from a SF perspective). Manny definately got some booing during intro’s. It was different to hear. I was talking to a guy behind me (mets fan) I said – Manny and Crisp to the Mets for Beltran. Play Beltran in left, Ells in Center and have Moss for a fourth outfielder. Of course, Manny being a 10/5 guy can reject any trade.

    dw (sf) July 27, 2008, 4:46 pm
  • DC – please come around more often. I’m curious if we agree on baseball topics.
    To others – Is it non-controversial to say there’s an unequal distribution of the fanbases, especially among those that post regularly? I do not know or claim to know the cause. Otherwise, some moderators would set a better example by hewing to the site TOS.
    Why aren’t you guys aren’t comfortable talking about this out in the open? It affects everyone here – posters (and what they can post) and lurkers (what they’ll find).

    A YF July 27, 2008, 4:57 pm
  • DW – That’s a great trade. I was wondering earlier who the Mets could trade. Problem is, would the Sox want to take on Beltran’s conract – 3 @ 18.5 each? He looks like a decent OF but not great, and he has a full no-trade.

    A YF July 27, 2008, 5:03 pm
  • A – against my gut feeling, I will answer your questions in my own way, but then this matter is closed and any follow-up comments will be deleted.
    It is not a question of comfort. It is that such argument is not relevant to the purpose of the board. There will be no debate how the authors of this board choose to run their own board in open forum. If you have a question or comment, discuss it off-list directly. Otherwise stick to the topic. If a comment is found offensive by our own admittedly arbitrary method, it will be removed. There is no democratic process involved, but there is dialogue involved regarding the environment we wish to foster. Such dialogue will take place by direct communication, not on the board.

    attackgerbil July 27, 2008, 5:13 pm
  • dc: the needlessly antagonistic and unprovoked comment came on another thread. we’re all exasperated with this behavior, as i think the entirely uncharacteristic frustration of ag’s previous comments here indicates, and we’re done standing for it.
    the conversation here belies the utterly specious argument that we refuse to discuss the terms of acceptable conduct in an open forum. we’ve done this ad nauseum, and we’re tired of being driven around the same block on this matter for no reason. our entreaties to discuss matters offline have been rejected, which is both disrespectful and prima facie reason for us to unilaterally erase any comment.
    i don’t how to be more clear. needlessly antagonistic, unprovoked comments will be erased at our discretion, and may lead to broader erasures. period. we all are here to have fun. this is a community. those who cannot respect the entire community will not be welcome.

    YF July 27, 2008, 6:14 pm
  • I wouldn’t mind seeing Manny traded, though I’m torn with regards to Beltran. I’m glad I don’t have to make the decision.

    Atheose July 27, 2008, 6:24 pm
  • Let me also stress that I’m not interested in dealing with snide comments from any poster about any other poster, whether or not they are or are not involved in a thread. If these comments are not immediately erased, it is not tacit that we condone them. We don’t.
    I think the folks who read this blog know I’m generally pretty even-keeled (to say nothing of AG and Nick). But I’ve had it. We all need to get together to make this site what we all want it to be.

    YF July 27, 2008, 6:54 pm
  • If the Sox do trade Manny, they could do a lot worse than Carlos Beltran. If they do trade Manny, I expect a lot less value than someone like the Mets’ center fielder. I would expect pennies on the dollar. Beltran is not pennies on the dollar, by any stretch of the imagination.

    SF July 27, 2008, 9:03 pm

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