BREAKING: Yanks Sign Teixeira

Reports indicate the Yankee hot-stove spend-a-thon continues with an eight year, $180 million deal for the slugging first baseman. If true, Bombers clearly looking to break in the new stadium with a splash. Acquisition would almost certainly make them presumptive favorites for the World Series title. The NYT calls it a "blow" to the Red Sox. Yanks swept in to close deal after declaring themselves out of the picture. 

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  • Shit.

    LocklandSF December 23, 2008, 4:03 pm
  • Hey, it sucks…but upon further reflection, we have seen A-Rod, Sabathia, and Tex in the playoffs over the past few years..and they didn’t exactly dominate, ya know? Hate that they got him, but much rather have that money spent elsewhere. Mauer is a free agent soon…Holliday too I think..
    And, as I think others have noted, how can they justify their request for partial public financing for the stadium, after this half a billion spending splurge?

    Bostondreamer December 23, 2008, 4:06 pm
  • How the hell are they not the favorites? Anyone who picks against them are either blind, or stupid.
    If healthy, they will be nearly unbeatable on any given night.
    It’s nice to be Cashman. Who says money doesn’t buy love?

    Brad December 23, 2008, 4:07 pm
  • Well, that is a bummer. On the bright side, looks like I may be able to get some work done this summer.
    In other news: this story is relevant again!

    Jackie (SF) December 23, 2008, 4:09 pm
  • Mauer is a free agent soon…Holliday too I think..
    What in God’s name makes you think Boston is going to outbid NY for either of those players?
    Seriously, the only way that’s going to happen is if the bidding process is a blind one, and since that’s not the case, Mauer and Holiday will both be in pinstripes soon.

    Brad December 23, 2008, 4:10 pm
  • “we have seen A-Rod, Sabathia, and Tex in the playoffs over the past few years..and they didn’t exactly dominate, ya know? ”
    Bostondreamer, tex has 15 career ABs in the post-season and hit nearly .500. What more could you want from him?

    sam-YF December 23, 2008, 4:11 pm
  • Just because they are the favorites doesn’t mean they will win. They have been the favorites a number of times over the past few years, and it got them nowhere. Again, look at how these players have performed in the playoffs and consider that if any team ever had pressure, this one is it. If and when they burn out, it will be a flame of light and power, beautiful in its glory and wonderful in its destruction.
    The Sox can only take care of themselves, and it will work out. I love Theo for staying away from a bad contract.

    Bostondreamer December 23, 2008, 4:11 pm
  • very funny, Jackie.
    Also, very true.
    Next up, Dunn and Manny for the Bench.

    Brad December 23, 2008, 4:11 pm
  • I would be shocked if Holliday didn’t end up in New York next year – they’ve got Matsui and Damon coming off, I believe, and he’ll be a perfect fit there. Mauer too, probably, when he hits the market (as they’ll need their replacement for Posada).
    I guess the one very, very dirty silver lining about this whole thing is that my burning hatred for the Yankees has been stoked back to levels it hasn’t seen for a couple of years.

    Micah-SF December 23, 2008, 4:11 pm
  • And with that, we have definitively seen the last of Abreu and Giambi in pinstripes.
    What does this mean for the NY lineup in 2009?
    Damon
    Jeter
    Teixeira
    Rodriguez
    Matsui
    Posada
    Nady/Swisher
    Cano
    Cabrera/Gardner

    YF December 23, 2008, 4:12 pm
  • Yeah, I have to agree with the world here, Bostondreamer.
    Tex is legit as they come, and a damn fine player.
    Your moniker couldn’t be more accurate.

    Brad December 23, 2008, 4:12 pm
  • Wow. That’s one helluva temper tantrum the Yankees just threw about missing the playoffs last year.
    I guess all the talk about there being no difference between the Red Sox and Yankees can go die now.

    Paul SF December 23, 2008, 4:14 pm
  • Thanks, Brad.
    I don’t care how much we have to overpay for Mauer. We neeeeeeeed a catcher. Holliday I could live without.

    Jackie (SF) December 23, 2008, 4:14 pm
  • I guess the one very, very dirty silver lining about this whole thing is that my burning hatred for the Yankees has been stoked back to levels it hasn’t seen for a couple of years.
    Amen. I haven’t hated the Yankees this much since… 2005, maybe?

    Paul SF December 23, 2008, 4:15 pm
  • no need to go bridge jumping sf’s. we’ve seen this before. we’ve seen what $217 million gets you. we’ve also seen the importance of draft picks lost to free agent signings. it’ll be up to girardi to generate chemistry, and i don’t see that happening.

    sf rod December 23, 2008, 4:15 pm
  • Gotta say that Cashman played this one very nicely. We’ll see how the story pans out but the sox seemed to have confidence they were they only ones truely in on Tex and kept their bidding down accordingly. Ill be interested to see how the end game panned out.
    I also wonder if Tex’s old problems with the sox organization factored into this at all. I realize it was a different ownership group but his feelings may have been tarnished towards the sox…

    sam-YF December 23, 2008, 4:15 pm
  • Well, at least now I don’t have to worry about how I’m going to afford to make it up to Fenway this summer more than once or twice.
    There’s no reason to go really.
    I’ll just stay home and catch a few Rockcat games and see how Minny is shaping up in few years.

    Brad December 23, 2008, 4:16 pm
  • Here comes the whining from the rest of baseball about how the Yankees are ruining everything…

    310ToJoba December 23, 2008, 4:17 pm
  • I grant that Tex’s postseason at bats are limited, but all 7 hits he got were singles. For a guy being paid 20 million, that is not enough. To me, it’s a consolation; to you it isn’t. That’s fine.
    And what makes you think that those two players would aign with the Yanks? What makes you think the Yanks could afford them? Do you forget the 1980′s? They did so well signing those big names then, didn’t they? And signing A-Rod, and Clemens, and Giambi…how did that work out? Why get upset? The Sox still have a great team, it will be a fun year, and when the Yanks lose, it will be even better. If they don’t lose, well, they were SUPPOSED to win, right?

    Bostondreamer December 23, 2008, 4:18 pm
  • YF, I agree with you…just posted something on FB to a friend about Tex batting 3rd. Everyone thinks it’s a given he’ll bat 5th, but I think he better protects A-Rod in the 3 hole than the 5 hole. He may steal some RBI’s, but I am sure Alex can deal with that.

    John - YF December 23, 2008, 4:18 pm
  • Sam, you can’t possibly be serious.
    He said “call us before you sign, and we’ll beat the contract”.
    How is that playing it very “nicely”?
    My guess is the no trade clause is the selling point.

    Brad December 23, 2008, 4:19 pm
  • Something I think everyone should be careful about spewing out indiscriminately here are two charges. I say this (somewhat) preemptively.
    First, that the Sox don’t “go the extra mile”.
    Second, that the Yankees have spent wantonly.
    If anyone chooses to go in this direction with their arguments, they better flesh them out. I may go there at some point, but I am going to think all of what has happened through before doing so.
    My .02 as moderator here.

    SF December 23, 2008, 4:20 pm
  • Don’t confuse whining with legitimate claims of BS, 310toJoba.
    Whining is when a teams fanbase is upset their team doesn’t spend a half billion dollars on three players (oh, I’m sorry…440 million).
    Legitimate claims of BS is when they do.
    And you’re right, John. He should def bat third to ensure that he sees pitches to hit. Hit him fifth, and he’ll just get walked knowing they don’t have to pitch to him.

    Brad December 23, 2008, 4:22 pm
  • The Yankee Evil Empire(tm) is back!
    Time to get your hate on.

    SoxFan December 23, 2008, 4:22 pm
  • Geez, people, why the bloody h are we writing off the season already? Because the Yanks signed some free agents? Big deal! Yes, they will be an awesome team, a great team, but that doesn’t mean the Sox will suck! Do you honestly believe that because they signed Tex and the Sox didn’t, we are doomed? One player makes that much difference? Again, Yanks fans rejoiced when they got A-Rod, thought it guaranteed championships. Nothing is guaranteed.
    I’m as pessimistic as they come, but really, I’m happy with what we have going into the season. If that means I’m silly, oh well. Go Sox.

    Bostondreamer December 23, 2008, 4:23 pm
  • “How is that playing it very “nicely”?”
    I think he played it nice by keeping the yankees’ heads down throughout this process and not allowing Boras to use their interest to start a bidding war. Despite what you think, Cashman is quite skilled at his job by identifying where and when to spend the big bucks. Like everyone, he has made some mistakes over the years but he has managed to put together a great team consistently…

    sam-YF December 23, 2008, 4:24 pm
  • SF, in the light of what just went down, you can’t possibly say that you can defend the Sox’s choice to not offer up the no trade clause.
    If that was the selling point, which I’m not sure it was, then you have to say without hesitation that “the sox aren’t willing to go the extra mile”.
    A broken down third baseman coming off hip surgery, and a DH who doesn’t see any pitches to hit is not my idea of a good backup plan.
    Granted it’s better than Manny being on the team, but for Tex they should have done it. Unless King Albert is hitting the market, it isn’t getting any better with Holiday next year.
    Whos going to go to NY anyhow.

    Brad December 23, 2008, 4:26 pm
  • I will be curious to know more about where the Sox ended with numbers (if we ever really will know) before judging who played it “nicely”.
    This smacks of Damon, with the Yankees deciding they wanted a player and knew other teams wouldn’t beat their offer, either in money or terms. It’s not much of a chess game at that point. Though it is still a great acquisition.

    SF December 23, 2008, 4:27 pm
  • yeah, and the Tigers were supposed to score 1000 runs in 2008 as well. I’m not disappointed the sox didn’t get him, I like Lowell and Youk as players. It’ll be an interesting season!
    now, who won the mug?

    dw (sf) December 23, 2008, 4:28 pm
  • “Whining is when a teams fanbase is upset their team doesn’t spend a half billion dollars on three players (oh, I’m sorry…440 million).”
    When did this happen? Seriously. I am thrilled that the Yanks signed Sabathia and Teixeira, the two best free agents on the market this year and probably in several years. This is because I root for them to win and I also think ithey were smart moves given their resources. I would have whined if the Yanks spent another shitload of money on middling talents such as Pavano, Igawa, et al.

    Nick-YF December 23, 2008, 4:29 pm
  • dreamer:
    We have a DH with no protection to speak of.
    We have a third baseman coming off HIP surgery (yeah, the kind your grandparents have)
    We have a catcher..oh, wait no we don’t.
    We are probably going to sign a catcher who can’t hit above .200 or throw anyone out.
    The Yankees now have the best lineup in baseball regardless of what happens after the sixth spot, and they happened to shore up their rotation as well.
    Granted, my sister could have made the same signings, but it’s what they needed to do to get back on top, and Theo watched it all go down with hands tied.
    It will be interesting to see Luchinno spin this one.

    Brad December 23, 2008, 4:31 pm
  • SF, in the light of what just went down, you can’t possibly say that you can defend the Sox’s choice to not offer up the no trade clause.
    Sorry Brad, that was me, taking care of some administrative business and accidentally posting as the wrong person. At any rate, I had said that I didn’t see this as being because of Henry’s email, but rather because of Boras calling Cashman after the Sox made their final offer. The no-trade likely sealed the deal.
    I said the Sox were right not to offer the no-trade, not least because I’m pretty sure they have other contracts where no-trades vest if any player gets one that’s not given through 10-5 rights. (This might be old now, though).
    Look, the Yankees have clearly spent a lot of money — in Sabathia’s case well more than the other teams in the bidding — and offered clauses that provide absolutely no protection to the team (opt out, no-trade). It may not be wanton, but it is profligate, and it has (thankfully) demolished the canard that the Red Sox are somehow on the same level as the Yankees financially or strategically.

    Paul SF December 23, 2008, 4:32 pm
  • Looks as though Sox fans are going to be pretty divided over this deal. I think it was smart to NOT offer a no trade clause, especially in a deal that approaches 200 million over 8 frigging years. I’m happy. Go figure.

    Bostondreamer December 23, 2008, 4:33 pm
  • Which deal has Cashman made in this offseason where the Yankees didn’t make the highest offer? We need to know more, in my opinion, before appraising wile.
    I think judging GMs (Theo included) by the 150M+ deals they sign free agents to isn’t the most salient factor in judging their abilities.
    Remember: someone else told Cash (and tells Theo) whether they can spend 180m or not. Hence John Henry sending an email and not Theo.

    SF December 23, 2008, 4:33 pm
  • I agree, Nick.
    I was speaking hypothetically. Like if CC turned down the money or Tex and AJ signed somewhere else..the whining that would have taken place had the 440M not been spent.

    Brad December 23, 2008, 4:36 pm
  • Now, let’s sign Manny!

    tells-yf December 23, 2008, 4:39 pm
  • Oh I agree with that Paul.
    The Red Sox are NOWHERE NEAR the Yankees postion financially. Nor is any other team in baseball.
    Nor is the entire National League. Or several small countires.
    And this year, it shows. Nothing would please me more than to see this all blow up, and Cashman working for the Toledo Mud Hens while Hank pouts like a child in the corner formulating excuses, but it won’t happen. This squad is too good.

    Brad December 23, 2008, 4:40 pm
  • Hey Brad, I will be up in CT at Mohegan Sun 1/8+ for a Coaches convention. If you are around, email me.

    John - YF December 23, 2008, 4:40 pm
  • Hey, as others suggested, the Tigers were supposed to have a monster lineup too. That didn’t happen. And sure, Sabathia is awesome..but he has an ERA over 7 in the postseason! And Burnett? one season with more than 215 innings, with no post-season experience.
    Sure, we have concerns going into the season. Who doesn’t? Why assume the worst? And I again, I think it is great the Sox didn’t offer a stupid contract to a first baseman. A great first baseman, sure, but one who has hit more than 40 homers only once in his career and has only limited postseason success (granted, in a small sample).
    You look on the dark side, I’ll look on the bright side, and the reality is somewhere in the middle! :)

    Bostondreamer December 23, 2008, 4:40 pm
  • When the Angels get Manny, the Red Sox are probably the fourth best team in the AL as constructed right now- maybe.
    Thats if Grandpa Lowell and Ortiz can start hiting again.

    Brad December 23, 2008, 4:42 pm
  • dreamer – if it’s any indication, the poll at boston.com has the majority of fans on the “good riddance” vote. Of course, once the season starts and the Yanks are scoring 10 runs a game, that will change.

    dw (sf) December 23, 2008, 4:43 pm
  • Unlike Brad, I still like the Red Sox’ chances this season, against the Yankees and otherwise. I’m refraining from details because it will look like sour grapes. It’s a great move by New York, Yankee fans should be thrilled (and rightly seem to bed), but forgive me if I’m not ready to hand over the commissioner’s trophy just yet.

    Paul SF December 23, 2008, 4:44 pm
  • Honestly, all of these negotiations and discussions and number crunching take place in secret, that’s it’s pointless (albeit pointless fun) to speculate about the game theory behind these decisions. I linked to a post by David Pinto the other day about the potential that the Yanks and Sox were involved in a game of passive chicken. Now in no way has this been proven here, but Pinto (and SF) were right to think it was essentially between the Sox and the Yanks in the end. Could there have been a game between the Yanks and Sox here, which one of these teams won as evidenced by the result of the contract? I think so, but we’ll never know. At this moment, I think Cashman played the game perfectly, but then again there might not have been a game.

    Nick-YF December 23, 2008, 4:44 pm
  • Dreamer,
    I did not want the Sox to offer the money to him either.
    Unless of course he was going to NY, because I felt that he made them unstopable, just as I did with Burnett.
    CC doesn’t scare me at all in any way. I think he’s a chump who dies five feet from the finish line in every race he runs.

    Brad December 23, 2008, 4:45 pm
  • can we start on the “will clark 2.0″ that yf’s were spouting last week?

    sf rod December 23, 2008, 4:45 pm
  • Postseason experience doesn’t matter until you get there. The sox need to finish ahead of the rays and/or Yanks in order to reach the postseason. Evaluating a player, and looking at post season results doesn’t matter when you’re at home anyway.

    dw (sf) December 23, 2008, 4:45 pm
  • Great point, Nick, and I look forward to Pinto’s take on this. Great signing by the Yanks, as Paul says..but not DOOOOOOM for the Sox either.

    Bostondreamer December 23, 2008, 4:46 pm
  • When the Angels get Manny, the Red Sox are probably the fourth best team in the AL as constructed right now- maybe.
    This is a ridiculous statement. The Red Sox had the best run differential in the league last year. Even if the Angels sign Manny, they will not be as good as the Red Sox because they weren’t better than the Red Sox last year. The Rays and Red Sox were essentialy tied — Sox with the better differential, the Rays with the better head-to-head, and it went seven games in the postseason — and unless you expect Tampa’s bullpen to all have career years again, they also are not yet a better team than the Red Sox. I’ve been on the “need a better offense” bandwagon all winter long, but let’s be realistic. Last year’s team was excellent, and that was with the injuries to Ortiz and Beckett and needing to find a season-long replacement for Curt Schilling.

    Paul SF December 23, 2008, 4:48 pm
  • Granted, DW. But it does play a role in determining the benefits of signing a player at all costs versus avoiding stupid contracts.

    Bostondreamer December 23, 2008, 4:48 pm
  • “can we start on the “will clark 2.0″ that yf’s were spouting last week?”
    that “yf” might be an “sf” or an expos fan. And it was one person.

    Nick-YF December 23, 2008, 4:49 pm
  • Well now that my appetite is firmly ruined – I’m headed to dinner with my wife and inlaws.
    Everyone have a wonderful Christmas/Holiday/Whatever you celebrate this time of year if we don’t get back into it. Although really, what’s the point?
    I’m going to forget about baseball for a few days.
    Nice job by NY’s checkbook here. He’s an awesome player.

    Brad December 23, 2008, 4:49 pm
  • I do like the lede to the latest AP story:
    The Yankees have no equal – in spending, not in winning.

    Paul SF December 23, 2008, 4:50 pm
  • Agreed, Paul.
    But I happen to think that there is no way Lowell and Ortiz aren’t going backwards.
    I’m just not confident in the team taking the field.
    At all.
    Happy Holidays everyone. Even YF’s. Everyone drive safe.

    Brad December 23, 2008, 4:51 pm
  • Well than, you’re too damn pessimistic, Brad. There is nothing in Lowell’s history or body type that indicates he’s done at 35. There may be in Papi’s, but Lowell is a different creature. And it would have been 10,000x redundant to sign Teix knowing that Youk and Lowell are fixtures at the corners for another two years (with Lars on the horizon). And in case you missed it; Teix, in a contract year (no less) was not the batter Youk was in 2008.
    You all need to calm down. The Yanks still have holes galore, without a semblence of a farm system or, likely, any left facility to acquire a decent bench. Their pitching depth still sucks (unless you are a believer in CC/AJ, combined, providing 300 IP (ha! to that), their defense is better but, really, it still blows, and now the pressure. Oh, the pressure of must winning. Just like Arod likes it.
    The Yanks attempts of buying respect will prove futile. Just you watch.

    Dirty Water December 23, 2008, 5:27 pm
  • Dirty Water is sounding more nervous

    Nick-YF December 23, 2008, 5:42 pm
  • As an aside, does anyone else find it annoying that i need to click “more comments” multiple times each time i reload a thread to get to the bottom of it? the old system was better…

    sam-YF December 23, 2008, 5:46 pm
  • Just got into London, and see this news. Fuck this shit.
    Merry Christmas everyone. There’s always the wild card, right?

    Atheose - SF December 23, 2008, 6:53 pm
  • brad, as a fellow rockcat fan [i'm somewhat disenfranchised because i moved far away], i share some of what you feel…i prefer the minor leagues myself…simpler, more fun, cheaper date, you know?…but, while i’m glad the yanks scooped the sox on the hot stove season for the short-term with the meaningless bragging rights it gives us, but it don’t mean shi* buddy…seriously, you’ve seen enough baseball to know that…i’ll be holding my breath all season now waiting for one of my high-priced “heroes” to screw up or get injured, with the freaks at espn and the others waiting to pounce all over it…it’s not as much fun to be a yankee fan as you think…but, if you want to be pissed, don’t be pissed at us or the yankee management…your ire is misdirected…you should kick your own management’s butt for being so inactive in this post-season…they may feel they have what they need to win next year, and maybe they do, but the apparent indifference to making ANY moves, especially at catcher, is frighteningly impotent for a team with so many resources…the yankees aren’t the only team with a lot of money to spend…that was the argument for the investement in dice-k…you had money to spend…what happened?

    dc December 23, 2008, 7:42 pm
  • Thank. God.
    Hilarious that the Yankees finally swooped in and overpaid as usual. People think their payroll is high because talent costs money. Actually, their payroll is high because they give out stupid money to past-prime players (Jeter, Posada, Rivera – before that Bernie, Giambi, Unit). They give $500 for a blowjob because she used to have a nice face.
    Now the Sox can get down to actually building a very good team without killing their payroll structure. Heck, Youkilis is now looking for a big payday just because they were talking about spending a lot of cash. If he puts up another 140 OPS+ season it’s going to be hard to argue with him that he doesn’t deserve $15 million/season.

    Dave SF December 27, 2008, 7:48 am
  • from the “can’t win department”:
    *it’s ok to spend money, but not ‘too’ much*
    *win every game, or else*
    *if we sign him, he’s the greatest, a cornerstone for year’s to come…if you sign him, we didn’t need him anyway, he’s overpriced, overrated, and probably won’t live up to expectations*
    funny, after reading this thread and hearing some other comments from soxfan friends, i have to chuckle a bit, mixed with frustration…just as some of you have expressed a rediscovered hate of the ‘evil empire’ [wait for chair toss], i now have a reborn anxiety for discussing baseball with soxfans…i’ll do it, more for the challenge than the quality of the discourse, but it’ll be less constructive i suspect that it had been in recent years, because it appears that the focus will be on yankee overspending and hyper-analyzing every miscue of the new players [arod must be thankful for the company], and how grateful you are that your management had the foresight to pass on bums like cc and tex, even while appearing to want one of them very much, allowing themselves to be outbid by a fairly small margin…this may solace you: the last time the sox outbid the yanks [by a lot], they got dice-k and a world series…not bad…the last time the yanks “swooped in” and outbid the sox [arod's first contract with the yanks] after it appeared the sox all but had a deal in place, the yanks got, well arod, and a bunch of drama…one thing we’ve learned, signing famous players with good resumes doesn’t guarantee anything, but it does enhance your chances…that’s all, so i have no unreasonable expectations about the yankees winning the post season tournament…i do expect them to be highly competitive however, and baring catastrophic injuries, they should make the playoffs…after that, we know anything can happen…i can see all of you getting ready to hang your new sox caps on declaring that anything less than a ws title is a “failure”, and i guess i don’t blame you…it’s just disappointing that it will be the focus of many discussions, especially since your team has attempted to retool in much the same way, just maybe not so dramatically, and not when it’s you that missed out on the big fish…like i said earlier, direct some of you frustration toward your own impotent management who it appears spent more time this offseason deciding which hat to wear [maybe that's where they blew the money they could have used to sign tex] than how to upgrade the catcher’s position…

    dc December 27, 2008, 8:43 am
  • dc, be serious, buddy.
    If the Yankees don’t win the World Series after dropping this kind of money, it’s a failure.
    There are no two ways to spin it. Teams don’t doll out that kind of scratch for any other reason, and no matter how “impotent” you want to qualify the opposition in their failure to go that extra mile, this Yankee team is built like no other team in baseball can afford to do, and for one sole reason: to point that out to everyone while on the way to a dominating season(s).
    And yeah, I’m the first guy that will say “well, yeah – they should win the world series” if they do, and also “how the hell do they not win with a team like that” when they don’t; those are the two most OBVIOUS statement a person can make. Yes, I’m well aware they have to play the games, and there is a very small chance that NY doesn’t win the world series, but before any of that ever happens, the stigma has been attached with the spending of 400+ million on THREE players.
    It’s the poison the Yankees have chosen to ingest all by themselves. If they wanted to be respected for actual baseball savvy, they’d make some actual savvy baseball moves – calling Scott Boras at the last minute and fielding (then outdoing) the final bid is not such.
    And, I’m sorry that you feel the “quality of the discourse” between yourself and Sox fans will be diminished because of the outlandish overpaying that has just taken place in the New York. Not being Yankee fans, we just can’t wrap out little Boston loving minds around that much money spent on one team.
    Most of us, like myself, are happy that Tex didn’t sign in Boston. It’s the final landing spot that’s the problem.
    So, in hindsight, when CC pitches NY will field a billion dollar team. With a B. The fact that you think that’s okay to do to the game of baseball makes it all the more potent a statement: If NY doesn’t win the world series, it’s a complete and disastrous failure.

    Brad December 27, 2008, 9:58 am
  • And, I’m almost certain that they “new hats” aren’t the reason Tex isn’t in Boston, and rather, the extra millions he recieved from New York.
    They had a value they placed on him, and they weren’t going to be lured into spending more than they could by the big pinstriped bully.
    And there is plenty of time to upgrade the catching postion, but like most of baseball, at this point there is not point.
    The Red Sox holes are glaring and unfilled, but at the rate at which NY has snatched up all available free agent players to do such and expanded market values to the point that they’re the only ones in it, it has become a creative GM’s chance to shine.
    It has become the postion in which a GM with more than an never ending checkbook must step up and make moves that NY can’t interfere with. So, since it’s going to take more than endless zeroes for Theo to get things done, it will most likely take a few to see any results.
    Such is the state of baseball at this point: all teams not willing or able to spend a billion dollars must operate behind closed doors in through channels which does not allow for NY to toss money at the problem and snatch away any hopes of deals getting done.
    Don’t worry about Theo and his new hat. It will get done. But again, NY is winning the world series this year, so what does it really matter what Theo (or anyone else) does? I mean, if they don’t, we can all go see Brian Cashman managing the popcorn stand at Toledo Mud Hen games.

    Brad December 27, 2008, 10:07 am
  • “They had a value they placed on him, and they weren’t going to be lured into spending more than they could by the big pinstriped bully.”
    So it appears, although given the teams’ respective needs, it makes sense that the Yanks were willing to pay more. I’d say one thing though: Neither of us knows what the Sox could or could not spend on Tex. And there is always the possibility that the Sox did not do a good job of anticipating the market for Tex or actually outsmarted themselves. The point is who knows?
    “It’s the poison the Yankees have chosen to ingest all by themselves. If they wanted to be respected for actual baseball savvy, they’d make some actual savvy baseball moves – calling Scott Boras at the last minute and fielding (then outdoing) the final bid is not such.”
    This only speaks to a certain subset of fans’ over-identification with their front offices. As someone who has followed the often bumbling Yanks’ front office for the last several years, I’ll say that this is probably the strongest off-season they’ve ever had–not because they spent a lot of money (because after all, they spend a lot of freaking money every off-season) but because it appears that they spent it wisely. But regardless of how savvy or unsavvy my favorite team’s front office is I find that when it comes time to root for the players out on the field, I manage to root whole-heartedly for my favorite team. Turns out, my emotions are not tied to Cashman’s slick management style.

    Nick-YF December 27, 2008, 10:24 am
  • Well, of course not, Nick. I never tried to tie “Cashman’s slick management style” 9or huge lack thereof) to the fans rooting interest at all.
    Of course the fans LOVE what’s going on. Who wouldn’t? I mean if Boston spent this kind of money, I’d be estatic. Still in the back of my mind it would bother me when trying to hold a real argument with my buddy who is a Baltimore fan. And, in the back of my mind I’d be hugely embarrassed every single time they didn’t win the world series in the next five years.
    But, I’d think I’d learn to love it.

    Brad December 27, 2008, 10:29 am
  • sorry 9 is supposed to be shifted up to (
    :)

    Brad December 27, 2008, 10:30 am
  • I’m not hugely embarrassed that they haven’t won a world series in a while even though they possess an unbelievable payroll advantage because I have a realistic view of baseball. It’s a fickle animal, virtually impossible to predict. You see the Yanks’ as the clear favorites, but I see a team that had a lot of catching up to do in the first place, and I still see the AL East as a three-horse race.

    Nick-YF December 27, 2008, 10:33 am
  • Agreed. I wouldn’t be embarrassed about the fact that they haven’t won yet in awhile either. I was more talking about the years to come. Clearly they were burned by some bad contracts in the last few years. But, if you’re burned once, and you continue to practice baseball operations under the same cloak of invincibility and get burned again, that’s embarrassing. If X team continues to doll out the same contracts, the same huge money and huge years, and it doesn’t work out for them with trophies, it’s an embarassment no matter how you spin it.
    I fault the Steinbrenners very little in their approach to winning. It’s admirable to fans of the team, and couldn’t be more destructive to the overall good of the game. Outside of the gaggle of fans the Yankees bring to the opposing stadiums, there is very little to be desired about what the Yankees have done.
    I look at them like the bully in elementarty school: If the smart kid says something that makes the rest of the kids laugh at you, you do all you know how to do when you can’t come up with your own smart comeback.
    How was your Christmas, buddy?

    Brad December 27, 2008, 10:41 am
  • “and couldn’t be more destructive to the overall good of the game.”
    I look at the AL East and see that two of the best-run franchises (Boston and TB) are there. Could there be a correlation between this and the Yanks’ presence in that division. Does NY not present a challenge that demands rethink their philosophies and ultimately become better?
    My Christmas has been great except for this ear infection which has left me with almost hearing in my right ear. Weird. Thanks for asking. How was yours?

    Nick-YF December 27, 2008, 10:51 am
  • I agree, Nick. Desparation begets innovation which begets better results.
    Ear infection? Ugh. I never had them when I was a kid like most people, but later in life I ended up getting a couple of them in a couple years. I know they suck.
    I feel for you.
    My christmas was good. My wife got me a new bow, and my mother in law actually offered us her house for the amount she paid for it 20 years ago. So things got a whole lot better, and more complicated since we already own a home.. ha.

    Brad December 27, 2008, 11:04 am
  • Not real sure I’d put Tampa in the “best run” category just yet, though.
    They had to finish last every season for ten years, garnish the best picks in all of baseball over that span, and get career years out of 70% of their team to get to where they were last year.
    I think the jury is still out if that pitching staff is going to dominate like they did (or stay healthy for that matter) another go around.

    Brad December 27, 2008, 11:16 am
  • i understand brad…even though i’m a yankee fan, i still have feelings…because of my other rooting interests, i know what it’s like to feel like an underdog, but you’ll have to pardon me if i’m not buying the whole “pin-striped bully” / “we have limits, being a poor small-market dormat” stuff, when you guys bullied everyone to get dice-k, and could have had arod and tex for a few dollars more…the dice-k example is a bit different perhaps, being a secret bidding process, but the sox had to know they were going way out on a limb with their bid…so much so that they pulled back when negotiating, taking advantage of the leverage they had being the only horse in the race…dice-k still got a lot of money and years…i know we’ve had endless arguments over how much of the dice-k layout was “real” money, but you can’t overwhelm us with the payout for one player, then criticize others for doing the same thing…your team either cheaped out with tex, like they did with arod, or perhaps they underestimated the interest of the yankees…again….like i said, blame them, not the yankees who merely used the system to their advantage…better yet, change the darn system…you’ve still had more success than the yankees over the past decade without arod, so enjoy it…i’m not so sure you should engrave the ws trophy just yet…

    dc December 27, 2008, 11:37 am
  • and how grateful you are that your management had the foresight to pass on bums like cc and tex, even while appearing to want one of them very much,
    This annoys me. It’s as if DC is physically incapable of understanding that some Sox fans supported signing Teixeira, and some did not. Just in case you aren’t aware, DC, despit ethe many times I and other Sox fans on this site have reminded you, not all fans of one team think alike.

    Paul SF December 27, 2008, 12:35 pm
  • I look at the AL East and see that two of the best-run franchises (Boston and TB) are there. Could there be a correlation between this and the Yanks’ presence in that division.
    Once again, it’s all about the Yankees. God forbid the Red Sox should be owned by a group of people who finally understand how to both build AND run a business, nope, it’s all because of the presence of that great team in the Bronx.
    This is a bit tongue-in-cheek, but also not. Henry et al saw an asset, and an asset that had value surely in part due to the rivalry with the Yankees. But their successes aren’t because of the Yankees in almost any way. Their successes are due to smart, pragmatic, thoughtful, visionary development and business acumen. They have brought in smart people. They have rebuilt a farm system. They have revamped a stadium. They have benefited from the presence of the Yankees, but so do the Kansas City Royals and the PIttsburgh Pirates and the Tampa Rays. Realize that the Rays have been in the presence of the Yankees for over a decade and have all but sucked for 95% of their existence. Was their suck due to the presence of the Yankees? Or just their successes? How about giving credit to the teams that accomplished their successes, and not making it all about relativism and the Bombers?

    SF December 27, 2008, 2:00 pm
  • This is slightly off-topic, but nobody has discussed the luxury tax implications of the Tex signing (and Sabathia, and Burnett) for the Yankees. If the Yankees hold payroll as per last year, the effective cost of all these players is at least 10% more than their contract value, meaning the Yankees, to their own books, offered Tex a $195M contract. If the luxury tax was a consideration for other teams, then the internal disparity to the finances of the deal to the Sox, for instance, was much larger than is being publicized.

    SF December 27, 2008, 2:06 pm
  • SF, fair enough, although my statement was a response to Brad who said the Yanks were ruining baseball (I assumed he meant it in terms of competitive balance). I was merely suggesting the possibility that the Yanks were more a force for good in terms of competitive balance than bad. Do they have an effect either way? I wasn’t the one attributing such powers in the first place.

    Nick-YF December 27, 2008, 2:54 pm
  • i have zero disappointment with the sox front office for not taking the bait this offseason. i’m proud of theo and co. for sticking to their druthers. the sox don’t offer opt-outs or no-trade clauses. they didn’t waiver on these stances and it shows pride. i can be proud of my team and their standards. last season we saw how two different teams operate. one front office made idle threats with regards to a player opting out and were emasculated by the player and his agent in the end. while the other front office told the greatest hitter of our generation to take his tired act somewhere else as it reflected poorly on the franchise.
    i’m not one to say “winning isn’t everything” because at the end of the day winning is the measure of a team, but more importantly to me is how you win. i would have had a hard time rooting for a team if the front office went back on their word, abandoned an organizational philosophy, and placed wins above integrity.

    sf rod December 27, 2008, 2:57 pm
  • I like my front offices emasculated.
    Again, when did we start rooting for our general managers over our players?
    sf-rod, did you root for the Yawkey-led Sox?

    Nick-YF December 27, 2008, 3:02 pm
  • Ah, the Buddy LeRoux days. I’m practically teary.

    SF December 27, 2008, 3:56 pm
  • of course i did. i rooted for all of duquettes mistakes. that is why i take greater pride in the new organizational standards. dan took the “throw money at the problem” stance (ie; offerman/pedro/manny) and it made it even harder to watch those teams loose. when the henry ownership took a “throw wise money at the problem while building from within” approach, it was rewarding to see the rewards that came with a sound approach and dedication to responsible business ethics.

    sf rod December 27, 2008, 4:02 pm
  • So glad I’m young — the Sox front offices of my childhood were simply mediocre, not buffoons or racists…

    Paul SF December 27, 2008, 4:03 pm
  • “(ie; offerman/pedro/manny)”
    one of these is not like the other, so much so that it should make you re-think the significance of the “throw money at the problem” category. Manny and Pedro’s contracts turned out to be very good, especially Pedro’s, and they played key roles on ending an 86 year-old drought. Perhaps signing free agents can help a team, and perhaps it can be part of a winning philosophy. Put it this way. JD Drew wasn’t exactly cheap. Without him, the Sox were going to have a problem in right. They signed him, and he was part of a world series winner.

    Nick-YF December 27, 2008, 4:08 pm
  • theo and co. had a hard on for drew and lugo prior to signing either one of them. neither signing was a “we have a hole in rightfield and shortstop so let’s throw as much money as possible at whomever is the most attractive available free agents.” they crunched numbers and took the most valuable for the boston red sox. to my eye’s it’s a bit different.

    sf rod December 27, 2008, 4:20 pm
  • Maybe it’s a bit different but then those are very bad examples to match against Duquette’s free agent signing philosophy as you interpret it. Drew/Lugo vs. Manny/Pedro (throw in Offerman. I’m pretty sure Duquette (and Bill James for that matter) had a hard-on for him that transcended positional need) is not even close.

    Nick-YF December 27, 2008, 4:27 pm
  • More to your point, I think this is how I’m going to understand it, is that Theo and company are much less reliant on the big-splash signing because they’re is a much greater emphasis on player development than in previous years. So there is much less of a chance of the Sox overpaying for a big free agent than in previous years (even though Pedro and Manny were not overpaid:))

    Nick-YF December 27, 2008, 4:31 pm
  • they’re=there
    Jesus, I am just a typo mess always!

    Nick-YF December 27, 2008, 4:36 pm
  • i would say it’s been the new regimes dedication to value over price tag. it’s been said on this thread that cashmans job is to offer the most money and then cave in to all player/agent term demands, which is basically how duquette did business.

    sf rod December 27, 2008, 4:58 pm
  • When the Sox extended Pedro it would have been conceptually impossible to have overpaid him, he was that good. Almost the same with Manny, frankly, when he signed.
    Duquette made two of the greatest trades in Sox history (Tek and Lowe for Slocumb, Pedro for Pavano etc.) and a handful of the best draft picks in Sox history (Nomar, Youkilis, Papelbon). I think he is underappreciated and overmaligned. Not without fault, but we wouldn’t have two titles without the work of the Duke.

    SF December 27, 2008, 5:07 pm
  • i might be wrong, but i think papelbon was an epstein draft and sign. don’t forget about the mike port year.

    sf rod December 27, 2008, 5:19 pm
  • Duquette was mediocre: Two great trades (the two SF cited), some great signings (Manny, Damon and Pedro), two great draft picks (Nomar and Youkilis; Papelbon was Epstein’s), a lot of needless acrimony with his managers and players, several poor decisions on free agents and a generally terrible manager of the player development system. Those 1996-97 seasons were beyond terrible, and the fact that he could not construct a better team to surround Pedro and Manny in their prime seasons of 2000-2002 is unforgivable, though John Harrington deserves quite a share of that blame, as well.

    Paul SF December 27, 2008, 5:27 pm
  • The mediocrity of Duquette can be seen in how quickly Epstein was able to turn his team into a World Series winner. In his very first year, the Sox were one Grady Little away from going to the World Series (which they never did under Duquette) and won it all the very next season.
    Epstein couldn’t have done that without a good foundation, but it also shows how frustrating those Duke-led Red Sox were. Duquette just didn’t seem to have the imagination needed for filling out a true powerhouse team.

    Paul SF December 27, 2008, 5:45 pm
  • he was also contending with the Yanks of the late 90′s.

    Nick-YF December 27, 2008, 6:05 pm
  • “he was also contending with the Yanks of the late 90′s.”
    this is kinda the point i’ve been trying to drive home to my bridge jumping sf buddies. those late 90′s yankee teams were well constructed and presented a more formidable challenge than the grab bag of high priced free agent talent that has made up the last 8 years of yankeedum.
    when the yanks had the well constructed 90′s dynasty, the yawkey run sox threw money in every direction to answer that. with the new owners, the sox have spent with purpose opposed to spending just to make a big splash and it’s served them well.

    sf rod December 27, 2008, 6:49 pm
  • he was also contending with the Yanks of the late 90′s.
    Yet the Red Sox made the playoffs in 1995, 1998 and 1999. Only once, in ’99, did the Yanks have anything to do with the Sox’ quick dismissal from the postseason, and that had a lot more to do with Boston’s failure to put anyone on the mound not named Pedro who could actually deliver a quality start with any consistency than the mighty Bronx Bombers. The Yankees were not responsible at all for the agony that was 1996 and 1997 or the frustration of 2000-02.
    This wasn’t the 1940s and ’50s. The Yankees had very little to do with the Sox’ problems reaching or advancing in the playoffs.

    Paul SF December 27, 2008, 8:20 pm
  • well rod, despite brad’s protests, i am well aware that based on some of the more honest reactions, some of you are disappointed about tex, some of you are [sincerely] not…that doesn’t protect the many flip-floppers…i for the record have mixed emotions…i didn’t really want him either, though i’ll admit i didn’t want him to become a sox…
    wow sf, first time i’ve heard anyone give duke credit for laying the foundation for recent sox success, but point well made…and i agree with you that this version of the sox may be the best owned and run team in their history, but your declaration of that smacks of smugness yet still somehow, incredibly, rings of the little engine that could, that perhaps is unintended, but if it works for you, cool…

    dc December 27, 2008, 9:53 pm
  • Sorry, guys, I meant Lester. And Duke also drafted Hanley we are quick to forget.
    He wasn’t mediocre. He was better than mediocre but certainly not great, and apparently without a “sensitivity chip”, though I might ascribe a great deal of that to the Ownership group/rudderless ship for whom he worked. I don’t have any wishes for him to return, this is not an appeal to romanticize Duquette, but he’s not the jackass and incompetent that many people portray him as. Without his work the Sox wouldn’t have won a Series, flat out. I think Epstein deserves a huge amount of the credit for obvious reasons, but to deny Duquette his influence and his significant competence is unfair. Just remember how many of his supposedly less competent peers are still working and decimating their teams in the name of progress.

    SF December 28, 2008, 6:52 am

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