Breaking News: Hughes is on the way

I just heard it on Mike and the Mad Dog. The Yanks are calling up Phil Franchise.  His major league debut will be this Thursday.
I expect nothing less than for him to turn around this season.

Update: Pete Abraham confirms that Torre told reporters he’s set to pitch against the Jays on Thursday.

Another update: We have set up, on the left side of the page, a first-ever YFSF poll about this move. What do you guys think? Please vote. Just scroll down a bit and you’ll find it on the left, right under the archives.

94 comments… add one

  • No. When does he make his next start, then? (He was scheduled for tomorrow). The Yankees won’t pitch the guy on 7 days’ rest.
    The Yankees aren’t that stupid.

    Andrew April 23, 2007, 5:58 pm
  • Thursday is what Mike and the Angry Puppy are saying.

    Nick-YF April 23, 2007, 5:59 pm
  • Can we not post rumors as facts until there’s confimation please. i don’t see this anywhere else on the internet. I don’t believe this and it shouldn’t be here as fact. let’s at least qualify it.

    YF April 23, 2007, 6:04 pm
  • If I’m a Yankee fan, which I’m not, this isn’t good news. The list of great young talent that was called up too soon and then ruined is long and not distinguished. Plus, didn’t he not do well against MLB batters in ST?
    Just saying…

    LocklandSF April 23, 2007, 6:04 pm
  • Lohud just posted it, YF.

    Nick-YF April 23, 2007, 6:05 pm
  • I wish he was pitching Friday against the Sox so we could compare him to Dice-K and see how he’ll do over the course of his career against the Sox.
    (is there a rolleyes smilie on this site anywhere)??

    jp - SF April 23, 2007, 6:07 pm
  • Okay. I retract. It’s confirmed out of Joe’s mouth. Wow.
    Just think we’ve been burned by being too quick out of the gate in the past. So, apologies to Nick. Glad we got it right. Big, big story.
    Wonder if The Boss had a hand in this.

    YF April 23, 2007, 6:07 pm
  • Damn. I was still hoping they would go the Santana route. At least I’m excited though!

    Lar April 23, 2007, 6:08 pm
  • I just don’t have a good feeling about this at all.

    Andrew April 23, 2007, 6:10 pm
  • “I just don’t have a good feeling about this at all.”
    Are you sure you’re not a closet Sox fan???

    jp - SF April 23, 2007, 6:12 pm
  • couldn’t be happier about this. i’m suprised it took a whole two weeks for this to come down.

    sf rod April 23, 2007, 6:12 pm
  • YF, I understand your view. I guess I’ve been responsible for a couple of those false rumors. I got a little overexcited about this, and thought how could Mike and the Mad Dog be wrong?!

    Nick-YF April 23, 2007, 6:12 pm
  • Heh, I like this a lot. This is the very definition of an April panic button push; there’s no other way to see it. Funny that four hours ago, Abraham (rightly) chastized his readers for wanting the callup, pointing out the fact that Hughes is just 20 years old and set a career high in innings pitched last year at 152, almost twice his previous professional high of 86.1.
    Very exciting, but there’s just an incredible number of things that can go wrong. This is the rough equivalent of what Boston did to Meredith, Hansen, and Co…only Hughes is far more important then any of them ever were.

    desturbd1 April 23, 2007, 6:15 pm
  • Obviously, this is going to be one of the most talked about moves for a long time. I can see SF’s ready to pounce here, given Cash’s previous claims that they wouldn’t do it so early, and the current state of the staff (that means you, Carl), but there have been plenty of serious sabermetrically inclined types, including BP Yankee expert Cliff Corcoran, calling for it for awhile. The trick will be to manage his innings. Should be interest to see how long this callup is for. So much to think about here.

    YF April 23, 2007, 6:18 pm
  • On the flip side though, he is just going to pitch a few starts and then go back down when everyone’s healthier, right? Get some work in.. it’s not so bad..

    Lar April 23, 2007, 6:19 pm
  • So if you’re managing his innings, when does your bullpen get a break? Seems to me like you need a marathon runner, not a sprinter…

    jp - SF April 23, 2007, 6:19 pm
  • As I said before I realized this post was up, can we officially say the Yanks are panicking? Waiting until late April is NOT taking your time with the young arms. What’s especially odd is they do this as it looks like most of their walking wounded are about to come off the DL. Why not grit out another week and save Hughes? Weeeird.

    Paul SF April 23, 2007, 6:20 pm
  • I’d guess this is just a cup of coffee, even if Hughes throws 5 or 6 strong. Assuming Mussina comes back healthy, there is, presumably, little reason to thrust him into a playoff race at this point. Better to limit his innings early and call him up later on.

    desturbd1 April 23, 2007, 6:20 pm
  • Well, Humberto Sanchez is done for the year, Joba Chamberlain has a hammy, Chase Wright is a historically-relevant pitcher, and Mussina is out for another two weeks (or so I heard on the radio today), so things are desperate right now. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a temporary fix.

    Nick-YF April 23, 2007, 6:20 pm
  • This could easily be a temporary move for the yanks. Maybe bring him up until Moose is back etc. Its gotta be done at this point from the yanks perspective, we can run wright out there every 5 days time for a new rookie. Why not the best?
    I think its funny SFs are mad about this. What happens if he is as good as advertised and stabilizes the rotation? This is not an absurd proposition, anything could happen. I am glad they arent pitching him vs the sox however, not that the Jays offense is something to laugh at.

    sam YF April 23, 2007, 6:21 pm
  • “The trick will be to manage his innings.”
    and who will be doing that?……scott proctor.

    sf rod April 23, 2007, 6:21 pm
  • I’m with you Andrew, this is a mistake. They should have him on a strict pitch count down in the minors so he’ll be strong in August/September. Bringing him up now seems to ensure that he’ll wear down earlier, even if he is dominant.
    Anyways, here’s to a grand welcoming party, courtesy of the Toronto Blue Jays.
    And off-topic, but I don’t remember ever having back to back two game-series like the Sox and Yanks have against their respective opponents this week.

    Tyrel SF April 23, 2007, 6:22 pm
  • This Sox fan isn’t mad. This Sox fan is happy that Georgie has pushed the panic button after getting swept. It’s classic Steiny. I’d be willing to bet that both Cash and Torre got their asses chewed for the better part of today before he ORDERED them to call up Hughes.
    A leopard never changes his spots…

    jp - SF April 23, 2007, 6:24 pm
  • “A leopard never changes his spots…”
    And I guess a leopard never loses the AL East.

    Nick-YF April 23, 2007, 6:25 pm
  • Ah, didn’t realize Mussina was out another two weeks. That makes more sense. Losing Sanchez I would think is especially hurtful at this juncture.

    Paul SF April 23, 2007, 6:25 pm
  • “I think its funny SFs are mad about this.”
    What? Mad? I’m ecstatic! 90 % of the time, when a team goes back on its stated plan of action regarding a young pitcher, it’s not doing it because it just changed its mind about that player’s readiness. And when it comes at a time when the big club is struggling to find quality innings from its shredded rotation…let’s just say I’d be pretty pissed off if Boston pulled something like this.
    And yeah, somewhere Scott Proctor’s shoulder is pretty pissed off.

    desturbd1 April 23, 2007, 6:26 pm
  • Agreed Tyrel, who schedules these games?
    What worries me more than Hughes coming up, and, I don’t really know, I guess I’m just assuming he’ll blow out his elbow or something because you automatically become more injury-prone in the majors, is that this completely goes against whatever they were planning on doing with him since his existence in the organization. Cashman is usually a pretty calm and non-panicky guy. Is it because Mussina is going to be out a lot longer than just April? Did they see something in Pettitte to suggest he’s on the verge of an injury?
    None of this makes much sense, and that’s what worries me the most.

    Andrew April 23, 2007, 6:27 pm
  • Sorry i meant to write NOT mad! love when the typo effects the entire meaning of a post.
    Steinbrenner had nothing to do with this move IMO. Those days are over. He has lost his bite. If you break this down from the yankees perspective the move makes sense. Maybe not exactly what they planned to do but how often does that happen?

    sam YF April 23, 2007, 6:29 pm
  • I think Moose is out for longer than was expected, Add the fact that Pavano is Pavano and won’t be back until 2011 as a fan in the stands, and the inefficient pitching of Wright and the strain on the bullpen, and this move makes sense as a temporary fix. It’s not ideal, but this situation is less than ideal. And who knows? Maybe he pulls a Liriano from last year (without the TJ surgery..bad comp)

    Nick-YF April 23, 2007, 6:30 pm
  • I’m a little nervous because the way this always happens for the Yankees is that they get some fluke pitching performance that solidifies the rotation when that pitcher has NO business being that good. Hughes actually has talent, which makes it all the more scary for me. Here’s hoping 3 AAA starts aren’t enough for him to start growing major league sealegs.

    Paul SF April 23, 2007, 6:30 pm
  • Pete provides more information:
    Apparently Hughes won’t be activated until Thursday. He’ll still make his scheduled start tomorrow, so I don’t know what they’re planning on doing anymore, but he certainly won’t be logging too many innings on Thursday.
    Maybe Hughes IS going the Santana route after all. The bullpen could certainly use it.

    Andrew April 23, 2007, 6:30 pm
  • Nevermind, I completely misread his post. I’m an idiot.

    Andrew April 23, 2007, 6:31 pm
  • can see SF’s ready to pounce here, given Cash’s previous claims that they wouldn’t do it so early
    What BS, YF. There are going to be plenty of YFs who are going to pounce on this move. Worry about your own house before crapping in ours, please.

    SF April 23, 2007, 6:33 pm
  • It’s technically a shared house, SF :)

    Andrew April 23, 2007, 6:35 pm
  • I for one think this is very exciting. I don’t have any clue if this is a premature callup (though based on everything the Yankees have said it sure smells like something that was in the “contingency plan” category of moves), but I am really jazzed to see this kid pitch in the majors.

    SF April 23, 2007, 6:35 pm
  • It would probably be best for folks to wait for a bit more info before deciding whether this was a “panic” move or not. And, frankly, whether it was “panic” or not is a matter of semantics that’s basically irrelevant. The issue is whether it’s the right move, and that is an issue that is very difficult to know–even for putative experts, who disagree–especially given limited info.

    YF April 23, 2007, 6:36 pm
  • I agree with you to some extent, Paul. Wang did just that a couple years ago…however, this is a prized arm. One that has a chance to be the face of the franchise for many years to some…and he’s just 20. Not many 20 year olds are ready to shoulder (no pun intended) the Yankees’ whole season…

    jp - SF April 23, 2007, 6:37 pm
  • Open question to those who question the move, what where the yankees better alternatives?

    sam YF April 23, 2007, 6:45 pm
  • That’s not the point. As far as quick fixes go, this is the best that doesn’t involve a dump truck filled with money heading for Texas. The question is simply whether this is the right thing to do for Hughes’ development, and whether NY is simply panicking and rushing him up too quickly.

    desturbd1 April 23, 2007, 6:47 pm
  • This says to me that the Rocket will not be in pinstripes this year…

    jp - SF April 23, 2007, 6:48 pm
  • Too early to make up our minds? Nah! Vote in the first ever YFSF poll, down at the bottom of the left collumn, let us know what you think!

    YF April 23, 2007, 6:52 pm
  • To me this move has zero affect on where the rocket goes this year.

    sam YF April 23, 2007, 6:55 pm
  • I should say that this says to me that the Rocket will not be in pinstripes this year…unless the Yanks get swept at the stadium this weekend. Then a stretch Brinks limo will make for the Tejas border with enough money and room in it to bring back Rajah and Nolan Ryan….

    jp - SF April 23, 2007, 6:55 pm
  • explain how bringing up Hughes changes where Rocket goes? The plan was to bring up Hughes all along and signing Rocket is obviously something else that has been on the table. I really dont see how the two are related.

    sam YF April 23, 2007, 6:58 pm
  • Nice Poll…

    Rob April 23, 2007, 6:58 pm
  • yf- he needs to step up. oh no………

    sf rod April 23, 2007, 7:03 pm
  • Am I misreading this, or is everyone expecting him to stay?
    I initially thought that they have the intention of keeping him up here, a la Liriano, but the more I think about it, this is probably going to just be a stop gap, where he’ll go back down when say, Moose comes back. And then come up in September or something.
    Is it still that bad in that scenario?
    In either case, good decision or bad decision, I’m very excited! =)

    Lar April 23, 2007, 7:05 pm
  • My thoughts exactly, Lar. I disagree with it more because I can’t see how calling up a young starter with a strict, and probably low, pitch count does this bullpen any favors right now. That and, no matter how you slice it…I still think this is more of a panic move then anything else. But one that probably won’t make much of a difference if he’s back on the bus to Scranton right after the game.

    desturbd1 April 23, 2007, 7:08 pm
  • You have to think that the Yankees are assuming this kid’s got enough mental strength to survive getting knocked around a little, if that’s what happens. And there’s no guarantee that he’ll get knocked around, he got such skills. There’s little to criticize about this move, considering the Yankees’ pitching depth right now.

    SF April 23, 2007, 7:10 pm
  • I don’t have a long enough tenure here to remember what was said by Yankee fans when Paps came up, so I have to watch what I say but…For pete’s sake Sox fans mind your own *&*^^%$ business. Now your answer will be this is a site for you to voice opinions on anything you’d like, bla bla bla.
    Bottom line is that Joe Torre (although I really despise him at the moment), Brian Cashman and the Yankee organization know what’s best for this kid. They DON’T have to make this move, but they are making it. Their hand is NOT forced, but they are making it. Whatever route they take whether it’s starting from the get go, relief, two starts and back down, whatever it is this men know much better then any of us what to do with the future of their/our franchise.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 23, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • Trisk, you are way off base here.
    What’s the difference between questioning a callup of a prized youngster of questionable readiness and YFs questioning the signing of a guy like JD Drew? What transaction is off-limits? If “brain trusts” always get the benefits of the doubt, then what move is fair game to question? There are going to be plenty of YFs questioning this move, or at least lamenting the need for it and the possible downside. Are SFs wrong in posing these issues just because they are SFs? Hardly. Intelligent issue-based baseball discussion is what we strive for, and this move raises some good issues for debate from all sides.
    And I say this liking and understanding the Hughes callup, as a Sox fan. The Red Sox made a move with Lester last year, and so the Yankees follow with Hughes.
    But you are wrong to make this discussion YF territory only. If you sincerely believe that is such, then I expect you to keep your mouth shut about our team’s moves, and stay consistent. After all, the front office knows what they’re doing, right?

    SF April 23, 2007, 9:14 pm
  • I am not making this Yankee territory only, I am simply stating my opinion. I am not king of YFSF, what I say isn’t the end all be all. You can surely search, but I don’t think you will find anything on me criticizing any of the Sox moves. If you remember I was the one of the guys defending the Sox for the Paps in the rotation move. To the point where I was called a closet Sox fan. In my opinion I don’t think some of the SF opinions are “baseball” opinion but rather home opinions. I can honestly say that unless you catch me on a bad day, I am a baseball fan 1st and Yankee fan 2nd. But sure SF going forward if there any any Sox call ups and or transactions I will make sure I keep my opinions to myself since it doesn’t involve my team.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 23, 2007, 9:26 pm
  • For pete’s sake Sox fans mind your own *&*^^%$ business. Now your answer will be this is a site for you to voice opinions on anything you’d like, bla bla bla.
    Your words.

    SF April 23, 2007, 9:29 pm
  • I know what I typed, but thanks for pointing it out. That’s my opinion, I didn’t declare that going forward that’s the new YFSF rule. Telling someone or some people to mind their business isn’t a demand or some new rule here at YFSF.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 23, 2007, 9:37 pm
  • I didn’t know we had a king. I think I’m the King and SF is the jester but he probably thinks vice versa. Either way, everyone is welcome to comment on any baseball move by any baseball team, because we’re all baseball fans (first, second, third, whatever)—and that includes you Trisk, even on the Sox. Frankly, the community here will suffer from your not commenting on Sox matters, because we all value your input. Most of the time anyway (joke!).

    YF April 23, 2007, 9:46 pm
  • I’m the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
    Whatever that is.

    SF April 23, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • I can’t wait til this guy sucks, so we can stop heainrg about him….christ either get up and play or sit down and shut up already hughes.

    TheTree1918 April 24, 2007, 12:13 am
  • What does that make Nick, AG and me?

    Paul SF April 24, 2007, 12:13 am
  • lol, That has to be a joke, right, Tree? I mean, I’m tired of hearing about him, too, but it’s not his fault he’s been hyped to death — and one could argue justifiably so, if we’re to believe the scouts and the stats.

    Paul SF April 24, 2007, 12:14 am
  • Rocket. Where’s Rocket?
    The Yankee pitching gives away runs faster than the Yankee hitting can score them,* and A-Rod won’t be on fire for ever.
    And where’s Chacon?
    * But have you seen the teams who are second, third and fourth in scoring?
    2. Mets. An NL team, obviously.
    3. Marlins!
    4. Devil Rays. We saw that last night.

    john April 24, 2007, 7:56 am
  • I asked Cashman why they had abandoned their development plan for Hughes so quickly.
    “I always said that those were theories. The reality of the season and our needs took precedence. We need a starter and he is the player best prepared to give us a start,” Cashman said.

    Question to all the sox fans who hope think this is a panic move – What’s a better move?
    The Sox just stomped all over us. Is a little sympathy too much to ask?

    john April 24, 2007, 8:07 am
  • Lords of the Realm.

    YF April 24, 2007, 8:22 am
  • So the rest of us are serfs?

    john April 24, 2007, 8:36 am
  • That would be a better poll if the results were broken down by allegiance.
    It might show that a majority of those saying this is a Yankee panic move are Sox fans.

    john April 24, 2007, 8:39 am
  • Question to all the sox fans who hope think this is a panic move – What’s a better move?
    The Sox just stomped all over us. Is a little sympathy too much to ask?

    Seriously, I don’t understand why the default rant is “hey, Sox fans, cut the Yankees some slack”, particularly when there are Yankees fans who are questioning the move, and Sox fans (I for one think it’s a totally reasonable move and not worthy of much criticism, and d1, though opposed to it in concept says it’s “the best option that doesn’t involve a dump truck of money headed to Texas”) who AREN’T!
    This is a case where the reflexive “Sox fans, you know nussing!” just doesn’t fly. Take a quick peek at Murray Chass’ column this morning for a Yankee partisan’s (though a hack YP, admittedly) take on “panic”.

    SF April 24, 2007, 9:18 am
  • Regarding the poll: there have been 111 votes to the current moment, and 35.1% of these are in the “don’t know” or “no” category. I know that I cast my vote in the “no” bullet, so that leaves a total of 38 other “don’t know” or “no” votes. And that also puts a total of 73 votes in the “Yes” category, those of the opinion that Hughes is being called up too early.
    Is it reasonable to think that our site is trafficked mostly (by a 65%-35% margin) Sox fans, who all vote exactly the same way? Since I didn’t vote the way John insists we all probably did (fly in the ointment, there), does this make me an iconoclast?

    SF April 24, 2007, 9:25 am
  • And lastly, to dispel this idea that RSN is reflexively unified in crapping all over this move by the Yankees, one should read this thread at SoSH:
    http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=18025
    Not that SoSH is the end-all, be-all litmus test of RSN, but it’s filled with many smart commenters, and the sentiments are predictably mixed, with a multitude of Sox fans expressing complete understanding of why this move is being made and why it shouldn’t be termed a “panic” move. There are several fans who do call it exactly that, but that’s to be expected, and those comments do not dominate the discussion by any means.

    SF April 24, 2007, 9:30 am
  • “So the rest of us are serfs?”
    Back to your turnips! (Family Guy reference)

    Scott SF April 24, 2007, 9:35 am
  • I love the move. The kid is an absolute ace already. I’m expecting no less than Santana-like numbers right out of the gate. The hype has been over the top, and now, so should the results.
    Clearly, I kid.

    Brad April 24, 2007, 9:46 am
  • nice, Scott.

    Brad April 24, 2007, 10:07 am
  • This move proves who still wears the pants in the yankee organization – classic Steinbrenner. With guys coming off the dl, why else the sudden change in plans? On April 17, with Wang and Karstens still out, why was Hughes not even considered?
    This is a panic move and a mistake.
    ” I mean, I’m tired of hearing about him, too, but it’s not his fault he’s been hyped to death — and one could argue justifiably so, if we’re to believe the scouts and the stats.”
    This from the guy who put up post after post after post on Matsuzaka from the moment the sox won the bidding – you’re either joking (I hope) or really hypocritical…

    Andrews April 24, 2007, 11:07 am
  • Got tickets to the Thursday game, actually. Nosebleed tickets, but ah well!

    Lar April 24, 2007, 11:07 am
  • Dearest SF,
    Can you stop putting irrational words in my mouth?
    What I said wasn’t a “rant.”
    I didn’t “insist” (or even suggest) all Sox fans vote exactly the same way.
    I didn’t say Sox fans know nothing (or “nussing”).
    Even your take on “The Sox just stomped all over us. Is a little sympathy too much to ask?” was harsher.
    Do you do this on purpose?

    john April 24, 2007, 11:39 am
  • Solve the analogy:
    Joe Torre : Relief Pitchers :: [Blank] : Starting PItchers.

    QuoSF April 24, 2007, 11:40 am
  • BTW, internet dissing is a little like road rage. People wouldn’t act on a sidewalk the way they do on the road, and people wouldn’t act in person the way they do on the net.
    Well, I’ve been around New York very little the last year and a half, but I’ll be back soon, and I’m willing to bet I’ll run into you at a party or event, just as I’ve run into YF at a party. So, “The Sox just stomped all over us. Is a little sympathy too much to ask?”

    john April 24, 2007, 11:43 am
  • John:
    It wasn’t just you I was responding to, but Trisk, others, who seem to be making this into a black and white “Sox fans hate the move, criticize it” thing, which it isn’t. I was simply backing up my claim that this move is controversial, to some extent, in all circles, SF and YF alike.
    If anything, many Sox fans (owing to Lester’s callup last year) are completely rational in understanding why the Yankees are making this move.
    That’s why I don’t like the Sox-centric criticisms, in this particular case.

    SF April 24, 2007, 11:43 am
  • How is calling up Phil Huge after Chase Wright a “panic move”? Panicking would have been starting Hughes against the Sox. Indeed, Old Big Stein would have loved to steal the Matsuzaka spotlight for one night.
    No, I buy the organization’s story. They had a need and they best addressed it, especially when you consider the 40-man roster. They needed to add someone from among Clippard, Jackson, Dorf, and Hughes. Since the only one of that group likely to be added this year was Hughes anyways, it makes all the sense in the world for options and arbitration down the line and especially because he the best pitcher available. His last start he threw his new change 12 times and got 10 K’s. Why not test that against MLB hitters?
    Let the Phil Huge Era begin!

    jim - YF April 24, 2007, 11:48 am
  • For us SFs, we might have this kind of problem to consider if Coco’s oblique strain is more serious than reported.
    Do we call up Murphy (Wright) or Ellsbury (Hughes)? The question of whether the problem is LT or ST would certainly come up, no doubt, but it might be a more timely analogy (knock on wood).

    QuoSF April 24, 2007, 11:59 am
  • FWIW, I was against the Lester callup too…though I hadn’t found the website so you’ll just have to take my word for it. :-) I didn’t like his getting thrust into a (would-be) play-off chase after guys went down with injuries, and didn’t think he had the control to make any meaningful impact…in which case, I thought, he belonged in the minors.
    It’s entirely possible that Hughes just blew them away in his last start and convinced the organization he was ready, and that this just happened to coincide nicely with a hole in the damaged Yankee rotation. But on the surface, I don’t think that’s necessarily what happened; Hughes had one OK start, then one bad start, and finally one fantastic start. All this came after struggling mightily in spring training. I think he’s likely capable of dominating a lineup on any given day, but that the inconsistancy he’s likely to display will do little to solve many of NY’s current bullpen woes. I also feel like he’d be better served working on his consistancy in the minors then the bigs.
    Can’t call this an awful move or a definitively panicky move…but it’s at least questionable. Just the way I look at it.

    desturbd1 April 24, 2007, 12:21 pm
  • I have to run to work, but I also think itsd a bad idea for the Yankees.. good for the Sox.
    Its hard for me to be imparital, of course. To get an impartial opinion we should find the Rockies fan and ask him.
    I juts look at Craig Hansen as an example of what could happen to Hughes. Granted Craig Hansen never had the potential that Hughes had, but he was still a highly-touted prospect, closer of the future (Hi Jon!), and alll that. He was brought up through the minors WAY too fast and now he’s a mess. Be wary of the same thign happening to Hughes.
    This is also why I’m not on the “Replace Coco with Ellsbury now!” wagon.

    Dionysus April 24, 2007, 2:20 pm
  • I haven’t checked on Ellbsury’s status in a while… but he’s hitting 438 with 8 doubles and two triples.. 4 stolen bases in five attempts.
    I love him already.
    Still say don’t call him up. He hasn’t even played in AAA yet.

    Dionysus April 24, 2007, 2:25 pm
  • This from the guy who put up post after post after post on Matsuzaka from the moment the sox won the bidding – you’re either joking (I hope) or really hypocritical…
    Wow, that’s what I get for defending a Yankee player.
    This makes no sense, Andrews. Was Phil Hughes the subject of a massive bidding war between the Red Sox, Yankees and Mets? Has Phil Hughes got eight years of professional experience (even in a sub-par but still higher than AAA-quality league) under his belt and shut down international competition in a highly competitive tournament? Did Phil Hughes engage the Yankees in a to-the-wire monthlong negotiation before the season? I could go on and on. The only similarity between the two men is that they’re pitchers who until this year had yet to throw a pitch in the American League.
    In case you’re unaware, the news largely dictates what we post about, and Matsuzaka WAS the news for basically the entire month of December. That’s why I — and SF, and the YFs who run this site — posted about him so often. When the Yankees pay $103 million to get Hughes to pitch for them, we can start comparing the pitchers. As to the Matsuzaka hype itself, not a single one of our posts was engaged in the ridiculous “He’s the savior of the franchise! He’s the next Roger Clemens! He’s the next Pedro Martinez!” crap that I’ve heard YFs spew about Phil Hughes. You are comparing two entirely dissimilar situations.
    So how about the next time you want to jump all over me for DEFENDING PHIL HUGHES, you take a step from the ledge?

    Paul SF April 24, 2007, 2:47 pm
  • I think it’s a good move for the Yankees.
    He’s the most promising pitcher the Yankees can easily put on the field. He’s costing them nothing, and if he stinks for two or three starts, they can move him back down with (almost certainly) no harm done.
    Especially given the Carl Pavano saga. At least with Mussina and Wang, they’ll definitely come back and they’ll definitely put up solid innings. With no viable replacement for Pavano (although, wouldn’t say, a healthy 10-year-old be able to replace Pavano’s “value” in the recent past?), the Yankees are putting their best foot forward.

    Devine April 24, 2007, 4:17 pm
  • Paul, ok if it makes you feel better, toss out all of the many posts about Matsuzaka before you actually signed him – that was the least of what I was referring to. I’m basically talking about all the posts after that – when the topic wasn’t exactly breaking news. After that onslaught, the fact that you have the nerve to say “I mean, I’m tired of hearing about him, too, but it’s not his fault he’s been hyped to death”
    is ridiculous. Once again with you, a double standard appears to be in effect. Your unbelieveable bias obviously clouds your judgement.

    Andrews April 24, 2007, 4:35 pm
  • “all the posts after that”
    should read: all your posts after that

    Andrews April 24, 2007, 4:37 pm
  • Come on, guys, please. The Hughes thing is legit news, so I don’t know why Paul is so exasperated. On the other hand, he’s right about the ill-conceived comparison to Matsuzaka’s arrival, which was a legitimate international sensation. Bottom line is that the only downside of this move is if Hughes gets hurt, not if he fails.

    SF April 24, 2007, 4:41 pm
  • Paul In fact there were many times that DiceK was placed in the Clemens-Pedro-Schilling pantheon of recent sox aces. Many called him the next one in this run of great sox pitchers prior to throwing a single pitch in the MLB, regardless of his experience in other leagues.
    Id also like to note that IMO about 95% of the hype surrounding Hughes has come from the press and YFs. I havent really seen too much hype direct from the club other than calling him their top pitching prospect, but every team has one of those. Hopefully ours is better though!

    sam YF April 24, 2007, 4:44 pm
  • “about the ill-conceived comparison to Matsuzaka’s arrival”
    Illconceived? That comparison was not intended on my part. I’m just saying I’m astounded that Paul had the balls to say he was tired of hearing about Hughes nothing more…

    Andrews April 24, 2007, 4:51 pm
  • sam – King Felix’s arrival was pretty hyped. So was Liriano.
    Not saying Hughes is close to those two, but just saying every club does this!

    Lar April 24, 2007, 5:22 pm
  • Many called him the next one in this run of great sox pitchers prior to throwing a single pitch in the MLB
    Not so much. I think there was major excitement, no doubt, but there’s been a huge effort to NOT compare this guy to Pedro et al, those expectations have been rightfully called out as unrealistic.

    SF April 24, 2007, 5:29 pm
  • SF- I dont have time to go back and look for the articles but I have seen many references to both Pedro and Clemens in the discussion of DiceK and his coming to the Sox. Of course I am not saying all SFs or the Sox themselves did this but I can promise you I have seen it on mutliple occassions. I think tempering the expectations is the way to go. May as well be extra happy when he exceeds them if he does.
    Lar- I wasnt saying there isnt hype about Hughes, there is tons. But I really dont think that it is coming from the Yankees themselves…

    sam YF April 24, 2007, 5:46 pm
  • Hey sam, sorry, I meant to write NY Media but somehow it came out “Yanks”! But ya, it’ll be exciting either way!

    Lar April 24, 2007, 5:53 pm
  • Pete Abraham reports that Hughes was offered #19 but he wanted to wear his spring training number, #65.
    If this guy is a legitimate part of the rotation next year, does he wear #19?

    Andrew April 24, 2007, 6:35 pm
  • Now I’m curious –
    I wonder how many posts were devoted to Matsui’s arrival, which with his status as Japan’s greatest active slugger, was no less of a ” legitimate international sensation” than Matsuzaka’s. Were SF’s blasted nonstop with Matsui posts over that offseason? Maybe some of you long time posters could weigh in on this? (And yes, I’ll search, but right now I have a game to watch)

    Andrews April 24, 2007, 7:21 pm

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