Chamberlain Busted

In case you haven’t heard, the Yankee ace-of-the-future was busted last night for a DUI in his hometown of Lincoln, Nebraska. Apparently he was stopped for speeding, and the officers got a whiff of alcohol and then found an open container, for at least 3 violations of the law (speeding, dui, open container). Innocent until proven guilty, etc., but definitely not a good way to start the off season.

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  • Considering the prevalent alcoholism stereotype that plagues native Americans, you hate to see it reinforced by one of the game’s most promising young players. Sad to hear it.

    Atheose October 19, 2008, 9:53 am
  • Seriously, these guys have pockets much deeper than mine and I see no problem ponying up for a cab. Is it that hard to hire a driver? At this point, we’re lucky he didn’t turn into Jim Leyritz. The lack of maturity is what is most disturbing.

    310ToJoba October 19, 2008, 11:55 am
  • Not gonna pass judgment.
    Yeah, he probably should have known better, but he’s still a kid, still immortal in his own head.
    Don’t know what his BAC was. Don’t know the circumstances. Don’t know if he gave a BAC sample.
    He’ll probably lose his license for a period, 3-6 months. Maybe a year.
    He gets one. One.
    Some advice, Joba.
    Get a good lawyer, and then don’t fight it. Don’t let your lawyer play games with the law. (DUI defense is a racket. There’s practically a text book on how to fight these. Challenge the stop, the cop, the cop’s credentials, create doubt, anything to avoid accountability.)
    Plead guilty, fess up, show you learned your lesson, move on and don’t do it again.

    I'mBillMcNeal October 19, 2008, 1:25 pm
  • > prevalent alcoholism stereotype that plagues native Americans
    Ath: It would be a shame should the situation Joba put himself into be described as an issue of race/heritage.
    Re: 310toJoba’s comments, I agree to the extent that it was poor (or lack of any) judgment on Chamberlain’s part. And I suppose that mentioning Leyritz’ actions is an appropriate cautionary tale, but “luck” has nothing to do with a relatively common societal dilemma.

    attackgerbil October 19, 2008, 5:00 pm
  • I wasn’t trying to say it boiled down to race AG, just that it’s a shame when certain stereotypes are reinforced.

    Atheose October 19, 2008, 5:15 pm
  • I have to say he must have been driving pretty erratically to get both stopped and ticketed (rather than ignored, or stopped and given a ride home). Lincoln is not a small town, but I bet a lot of the law enforcement there either know what Joba drives and or would go the extra mile to help him resolve this quietly. Makes me suspect he was either royally blitzed, or mouthed off to the police, or both.
    Pure speculation, I know.

    Hudson October 19, 2008, 5:52 pm
  • Famous people get arrested all the time for things like DUI. I dont see any reason that the Nebraska state police would let him off just for being an MLB starting pitcher. All the reports say that he got pulled over for speeding and then booked for DUI when the cop smelled the alcohol. Im not sure why there needs to be anything else to it than that. I wonder if there would be this “pure speculation” if Jon Lester got pulled over for a DUI…

    Sam-YF October 19, 2008, 6:07 pm
  • Don’t try to turn it into a partisan thing, Sam-YF.
    First of all, I drove the breadth of Nebraska twice two summers ago. Compared with the Northeast, you almost never see a police car, and the speed limits are much higher than here. To get arrested for speeding, you have to work at it, i.e. either be going a zillion mph or swerving all over the road.
    Second of all, sports heros are a whole different breed of “celebrity” in the U.S., and even moreso in Nebraska. Alec Baldwin driving drunk on Long Island is a different case than Joba Chamberlain doing the same in Nebraska, in my opinion.
    And of course if Jon Lester were arrested for DUI, I’d say the same.

    Hudson October 19, 2008, 6:32 pm
  • P.S. Living in a rural area where everyone drives, D.U.I. is considered a pretty low crime, because of the high potential for innocent victims. Joba should consider himself lucky he was arrested before he killed someone.

    Hudson October 19, 2008, 6:39 pm
  • I wonder if there would be this “pure speculation” if Jon Lester got pulled over for a DUI…
    Godwin’s law to the EXTREME…

    Paul SF October 19, 2008, 6:53 pm
  • Hudson,
    Ive driven across Nebraska no less than 8 times myself. In and around the cities there are plenty of cops along the highways who are there basically to pull people over for speeding. There are zero cops elsewhere to be sure. The point of my post was that I dont agree with your assertion that there is some extra-ordinary circumstances to this case simply because it was Joba in the state of Nebraska. Im gonna trust the reports Ive read until i hear otherwise.
    I agree wholeheartedly that he should count himself lucky that he didnt kill anyone.
    Paul – Doesnt Godwin’s law refer to Nazi germany? Are you comparing them to the Sox here? Im confused.

    Sam-YF October 19, 2008, 7:09 pm
  • Paul is saying that this is like Godwin’s Law: the longer a thread on YFSF goes, the more probably it is that someone will bring up the other team and declare bias.

    Atheose October 19, 2008, 7:15 pm
  • Atheose, you’re just agreeing with Paul because you’re a sox fan.

    Nick-YF October 19, 2008, 7:19 pm
  • You’re just DISAGREEING with me because you’re a Yankees fan!

    Atheose October 19, 2008, 7:19 pm
  • I actually coined a term here; “Goodwin’s Law”, based on Godwin’s Law.

    SF October 19, 2008, 7:42 pm
  • > just that it’s a shame when certain stereotypes are reinforced
    Hmm. Maybe. The only “stereotype” I see here is a truth: a non-small number of young males (some happen to be athletes flush with cash) find themselves in trouble due to lapses in judgment. The problem is of age and the general empowerment as hinted at by IBM (re: invincibility), not of race or of income bracket. Fortunately for Joba, he will have resources to deal with this problem _of his own making_ and hopefully come out the other side with an important life-lesson learned. Not so fortunate: there are not enough mentors to help young adults make it through that brilliant, wonderful, and dangerous stage of being a young adult.

    attackgerbil October 19, 2008, 8:30 pm
  • Having grown up in Iowa, I can tell you that Nebraska cops have a reputation for looking the other way when it comes to NU athletes. …
    Thanks for the backup, AG.
    ath, I love ya, but I think your comment was a bit misguided.
    First, cop needs to establish probable cause, i.e., erratic driving. Then once the driver is stopped, if he smells alcohol, sees bloodshot eyes, etc, he can request field sobriety tests. If subject fails or refuses, cop then can run a portable breath test, which is not admissible as evidence for conviction in court in many states, but enough, along with to establish the SECOND level of probable cause, giving the cop a reason to cite driver for DUI.
    Driver then taken to station and booked, and then given the evidentiary BAC test. That’s how it works in Illinois, and probably very similar to how it works anywhere.
    IMPORTANT: the cop needs probable cause to make the stop or the stop will be ruled unconstitutional. Probable cause can be many things, but most likely is erratic driving, or something like no headlights.
    Also important to note that we likely won’t get any detailed information until it becomes part of the court record. So for now, probable cause is speculation.
    sorry to bore you all with the insider’s view. I’m the public information officer for the local prosecutor’s office and we do a lot with DUI and DUI prevention (he types as he finishes a beer. belch.)

    I'mBillMcNeal October 20, 2008, 12:00 am
  • I also state that males in Joba’s age group have a fairly high occurrence of DUI. And most are not repeat offenders.

    I'mBillMcNeal October 20, 2008, 12:02 am
  • Lastly, DUI enforcement is being ramped up all across the country. The NTSB and a Maryland-based research group called PIRE have the ears of law enforcement and lawmakers and have been pushing for stricter laws and enforcement.

    I'mBillMcNeal October 20, 2008, 12:06 am
  • > Alec Baldwin driving drunk on Long Island is a different case than Joba Chamberlain doing the same in Nebraska, in my opinion.
    Maybe in the sense of celebrity, but otherwise, no. It’s not different. And it’s not different for it to be me, you, anyone. What it _is_ is a situation where an individual is now askance of the law, and likely afoul of the law in such a way of an evolution of law that was built to protect themselves and others. It is a hard topic, because it is so very common an issue.
    I remember being a child riding in cars with people drinking from open containers, as it was a common thing to take your beer to your friend’s house while riding in your truck. I remember riding in the back of trucks for many miles because the seats in front were full, and nobody would look at it sideways, because of course, that’s where the kids rode. Maybe it looks curious and hackneyed now, but that is what it was. And it is not what it is now.

    attackgerbil October 20, 2008, 3:49 am
  • > built to protect themselves
    Meaning built to protect the offenders

    attackgerbil October 20, 2008, 4:08 am
  • .. from themselves.

    attackgerbil October 20, 2008, 4:10 am
  • I live in Virginia, where racism still exists to a certain extent. Every year it dies a little bit more, but it’s still here. I work in a computer lab with two other [white] guys who are, for lack of a better word, rednecks.
    Whenever there’s a local news story about a black kid getting shot or attacked, they immediately assume gang violence. “Another gang boy got shot,” is something I hear pretty often. Consequently, I don’t like seeing stereotypes reinforced because it validates such thinking in the minds of those people.
    Having said that, I apologize if I offended anyone. Maybe it makes me a little bit racist for even thinking that way (“Shame on you Joba for reinforcing a stereotype your people are trying to be rid of”), but that was just my first reaction based on things that happen in my life on a daily basis. AG/Bill, you’re probably right that it’s more accurate to categorize him as a young male with a boatload of cash.
    And yes, I know it’s hypocritical to have that belief and at the same time stereotype rednecks as being racist. Apologies all around.

    Atheose October 20, 2008, 7:26 am
  • Ath, I never believed for a second that you intended to be racist. I knew I was without context.
    I will admit that despite my best conscious efforts, I can be racist, too.
    And I have have been known to utter the phrase, “fucking white people.” I am openly racist, when provoked by NIMBYs and other shortsighted morons, against people of my own skin color.

    I'm Bill McNeal October 20, 2008, 2:23 pm
  • Yeah, as Avenue Q taught us, everyone’s a little bit racist. No hard feelings Bill!

    Atheose October 20, 2008, 2:49 pm
  • Ath, I don’t believe your comments or intentions were malicious. No apologies needed.

    attackgerbil October 20, 2008, 2:57 pm
  • I am indeed a “racist” — proud of my racial heritage, and thankful when people are generous with me to share their stories of their background and culture. The legacy of people elevates and exalts. Race is not something from which to shy away; it should be celebrated. The problem has been (and is still) when it is used as a bludgeoning tool to promote fear and distrust. Race is part of our mutual history and it makes all of us rich. I wish I knew a better word than “rich”, something less monetary. How does one say “sated yet eagerly curious, wanting for more”?
    I realize this comment is drifting far off topic for our baseball board, and I apologize for that. Just had to write this down; it makes me feel better in the face of some words and actions by people in my life to which I have been witness as of late that makes my stomach turn and tastes of something worse than sour.

    attackgerbil October 20, 2008, 3:26 pm
  • Can’t say I am not disappointed in Joba. Unfortunately it’s the kind of thing everyday people get themselves into everyday. This is definitely not unique or specific to athletes. Just a bad decision by a guy who seems to be pretty good otherwise. I have friends and relatives that have made this same mistake, I don’t support it, but I understand that it happens. It’s just fortunate that nobody was injured or killed God forbid.

    John - YF October 20, 2008, 3:28 pm
  • Ah, yes, Avenue Q. Saw it this year and forgot all about it when I wrote that post.
    Gotta, say, the racism tak might have been a bit off topic, but I love where it went, and it’s why I enjoy the board.
    Perhaps the anonymity we all enjoy makes it easier to be open about such things. When we don’t see each other, we’re all the same race (Oh, that’s so true! Anyone got the address for Readers Digest?) … and feel more willing to open up?
    Speaking of racism, whatever happened to Chicano, Oriental and honkey? I miss the 70s.

    I'mBillMcNeal October 20, 2008, 10:43 pm
  • > Oriental
    My friend and co-worker, who happens to have Korean heritage, was adopted when she was one year old. She was initially denied her TWIC card from what we can only assume was based on that fact (we work in an industry where we have to register with the DOT). At an industry conference I attended recently I was told that out of 560,000 cards issued so far, there have been 20,000 initial denials and 36 final rejections. She was approved upon appeal, but it was curious that she was initially considered a possible threat to national security by our benevolent government. She and I were talking about the interesting aspect of having Asian heritage (my grandfather is first generation American by way of China). She was recently asked, “where are you from?” She replied, “Iowa.” The questioner said, “Wow, I thought you had some Oriental in you.”
    Weird and awkward moment.
    My dovetail was an incident when I was flying on a redeye. While checking in at PDX, the clerk looked at my ID, noticed my name, and said, “well, like the Chinese say, ‘No ticky no laundry.'” Another plain weird and awkward moment. I was too tired to say anything, I just smiled and went on my way. Curiously, my Great-Grandfather did happen to operate a laundry way back when.
    So anyway, “Oriental” is still part of the vernacular.

    attackgerbil October 21, 2008, 12:55 am
  • Curiously, my Great-Grandfather did happen to operate a laundry way back when.
    I guess to some extent all stereotypes are based on SOME small bit of fact. As a registered honkey (1/2 Bavarian, 1/4 Irish, 1/4 English) I do love me some mayonnaise and Wayne Brady.
    My grandmother was Irish/English, and her parents immigrated here before she was born. A few years ago (she’s 86 now) I took her out to eat and there was a black family with a newborn at a table near us, and she loudly proclaimed “NEGROS HAVE THE CUTEST BABIES.” Talk about awkward.

    Atheose October 21, 2008, 9:39 am
  • She was recently asked, “where are you from?” She replied, “Iowa.” The questioner said, “Wow, I thought you had some Oriental in you.”
    Your friend should have responded, “And judging from your comment, I’d say you definitely have a whole lot of cracker-ass-cracker in you!”

    SoxFan October 21, 2008, 1:54 pm
  • so, the details of Joba’s nite have come out. NY Daily News prints the details.
    Joba’s .134 BAC was obtained at the Lincoln area gentleman’s club known as the Night Before Lounge. as the story goes, another patron astutely pointed out to Joba “If you played for the Red Sox, you wouldn’t be sitting here,…”. an incensed Joba fled the scene and was picked up by state police sometime later.
    the Nation is alive and well in the heartland

    sf rod October 22, 2008, 6:02 am