Cherington and Hoyer, Sitting in a Tree…

We can think of lots of bad reasons why two GMs aren’t better than one (important roster moves made via rock/paper/scissors, questionable waiver deals instigated by intra-office rotisserie league standings). On the other hand, there are plenty of great things that come in pairs. To wit:

Color us optimistic.

11 comments… add one
  • Which one is going to be called the “evil twin?”

    walein December 12, 2005, 8:32 pm
  • As long as they keep making excellent moves, regardless of who gets the credit for them, I could really care less. In fact, I think it’s a nice checks and balances system that could possibly keep the Edgar/Pavano/Brown type of contracts from being dolled out to completely worthless players.
    In my own opinion, much like the situation in NY, I think that the decision is being made my Lucchino anyhow.

    Brad-SF December 12, 2005, 9:00 pm
  • I like the idea of having good cop/bad cop GMs in action. The NY situation has had a little more of a “who killed JFK” vibe (or maybe more appropriately–an X-Files); a sort of dark room, old guys with cigar smoke rolling out of their mouths, a balding, never sleeping GM trying to find his way thru a maze…and some old crazy guy signing people on boats whenever he feels like it.
    We are gonna need some personality out of your GMs RSN.
    Cherington will have to be the mean one…or at least the one who drinks a little too much and says off-color things about players on his team.

    walein December 12, 2005, 9:18 pm
  • From the Boston Globe:

    “As a possible contingency plan if they lose Johnny Damon, the Red Sox have discussed a deal with the Mariners that would involve Matt Clement going to Seattle and center fielder Jeremy Reed coming to Boston, according to a source with direct knowledge of the discussions.
    “Reed, 24, hit .254 with 3 homers, 45 RBIs, and a .322 on-base percentage last season.”

    Maybe Lucchino told Theo one WS ring per century is enough.

    john yf December 13, 2005, 8:40 am
  • What would you suggest they do? Fess up to the seventh year at an outrageous Boras pricetag for Damon because his worth is so high now?
    Sorry, John.
    We’ll leave the overspending and future sacrifice to the Yanks.
    Besides, how often are you actually right about anything?
    Oh, don’t forget to post the stats of the guy the Yanks just offered a job today. In fact, why not post them for the past three years to bring the average up in your favor. How do you like that move?

    Brad-SF December 13, 2005, 2:18 pm
  • I disagree with both Brad and John. The Clement for Reed trade is a fairly decent contingency plan; one which I hope the Yanks would do using Pavano as the bait. Reed is 24, was a highly regarded prospect in the white sox system (he posted a .400 obp in the minors), and is already a great fielder. Plus, he’s cheap.
    On the other hand, I think Nomar (that’s who you were talking about, brad, right?) could be very useful for the Yanks in a super-utility role. He’s a risk, but a smart one, especially considering the Yanks bench needs. The bombers won 95 games last year, and the best player off the bench was either Ruben Sierra or Bubba Crosby. The team was an injury away from a .500 season. Players like Womack and Sierra literally lost them games. Nomar would be a serious upgrade over these guys.

    Nick December 13, 2005, 5:53 pm
  • Looks like Milton Bradley is an Athletic now.

    walein December 13, 2005, 6:39 pm
  • Nick’s right about the Nomar possibility (and Reed as well), and I suggested the Garciaparra to the Yankees idea many days ago. I am wondering what took Cashman so long. Perhaps he had some trouble searching our archives.
    As for Damon, the Red Sox can’t make the right decision for you no matter what, John. If they had signed him to a longer contract years ago you would have crapped on them for being stupid, giving him such a long contract. They could have re-upped him earlier, and you would have said they were getting reamed, since the market hadn’t been established. They could re-sign him now, and you’ll probably say they are wasting money on a guy on the downslide. Or, they can trade a pitcher who did terribly down the stretch (and who now, unfortunately, has a bad pattern of this) for a young, stellar defender who is unproven offensively but comes cheaply and gives them tons of payroll flexibility to fill in that offense somehow and you’ll carp about how Reed is unproven. Tell me the realistic scenario w/r/t Damon and the Red Sox that would make you think the Sox did ok. I won’t hold my breath.

    SF December 13, 2005, 6:53 pm
  • Guys, look at my post again. There is not a word about Damon.
    I’m talking about Reed. Is there reason to think Reed will be a LOT better than his major league stats? Unless the Sox have decided Clement is NOT a good starting pitcher, a starting pitcher is a LOT to give up for someone half a step above a prospect. There’s not an organization in baseball that has enough pitching, but there are lots of outfield prospects.
    As for my record, Brad, it’s at least $10 better than yours. Thanks for the check.

    john yf December 17, 2005, 1:32 pm
  • So there’s no doubt: I don’t think the Sox should give Damon 7 years. Clement for Reed is the solution?
    If the Yanks traded a starter for Reed, the two SFs wouldn’t stop crowing.

    john yf December 17, 2005, 1:48 pm
  • I don’t think anyone is going to give Damon seven years. That was the Official Boras Pipe Dream of the off season. Even if someone did give him seven years it would probably be a team that he wouldn’t want to go to, like the Royals.
    The real question is, will anyone give him five years? If not then its four year deals all around and Damon will have to chose between the Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers and Orioles, with maybe a team thrown in that I forgot.
    Personally, I’d be surprised if he went anywhere other than Boston. But if he wants to play for the Yankees so bad then he should stop blabbing to the NY papers and just sign a deal there.
    Every year we get these ridiculously drawn out courting sessions, where some Boras client just hems and haws over the available options, trash talking about one team or the other depending on which paper they’re talking to…. Man, I hate Scott Boras…
    Johnny D, we love you in Boston, but don’t stand there with the door open, man. Either come in, or get out.

    mattymatty December 17, 2005, 3:47 pm

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