Choi Claimed By Sox

Not a bad week for young Epstein. First he upgrades the Sox bench and gives Trot a viable platoon partner in Wily Mo, and now he adds Hee-Seop Choi.
This is a solid low-cost/low-risk move by the Sox; Choi, at the very
least, is a strong offensive contributor off the bench. At the same
time, he could very well become the Sox starting first baseman of the
future, shifting Youkilis to a back-up role at third. Given Lowell’s
poor performance this past spring and last season, it’s not a bad thing
to have Kevin waiting in the wings. So, in the span of a week, Theo has
improved the bench from below average to very good. Meanwhile, Joe
Torre is contemplating carrying Wil Nieves as the third catcher at the
beginning of the season. If injuries strike both teams, the Sox are in
a much better situation.

23 comments… add one
  • I think this is a great move by Boston, but I have to ask why NY did not get in the mix? Does Boston just get first dibs? Seems to me that NY needed him on the bench a whole lot more than Boston did, but just the same, I’m happy about it.
    Since I personally feel that Youk will be back at third before too long, this give a still pretty decent platoon at first with Snow and Choi.

    Brad March 24, 2006, 11:13 pm
  • Edit:
    this moves gives the Sox a pretty decent platoon at first base with….

    Brad March 24, 2006, 11:14 pm
  • I would like to compliment NickYF on his fair and accurate take on the Choi signing. I watched Choi hit the 3 run shot of Wheeler a week ago at Anaheim Stadium, and I have to say that he is a nice power threat off the Sox bench. With that said, I’m complimenting NickYF because if it was the Yanks who had signed Choi all we would hear from Sox fans on this blog or any other is how bad the signing might turn out for the Yanks, or all the flaws the signing carries with it. You see, I don’t give a flying fu*k what most Sox fans say about what 2004 did for their confidence as fans; Red Sox fans still have a massive inferiority complex. I see it on so many Sox and Yank blogs. Red Sox fans always the first to criticize, the first jump on a bad outing for the Yanks, and the absolute last to give any credit when credit is due. If you go to the majority of quality Yank blogs, you read a lot of good commentary on the Bombers, their prospects, progress, problems, etc. Go to the other side and you see 75% more focus on the Yankees; how much they suck, all their problems, Giambino and Sheff using juice, blah, blah, blah. It’s so fu*kin sad. So take notice Sox fans, look to NickYF as an example how a classy fan can fairly comment on the other side without letting their ass hurt feelings about being on the shit end of the stick for so many years take over.

    bloodyank78 March 24, 2006, 11:43 pm
  • “You see, I don’t give a flying fu*k what most Sox fans say about what 2004 did for their confidence as fans; Red Sox fans still have a massive inferiority complex.”
    I come to this blog frequently for intelligent commentary, but that was insulting for both duggouts. If trolling like that will be tollerated, I won’t be back. That jackass should think before he speaks, even though he wishes to give slappy blue lips oral pleasure. OK, ban me too. The last two sentences were humor.

    Birdman of Vermont March 25, 2006, 3:48 am
  • we would hear from Sox fans on this blog or any other is how bad the signing might turn out for the Yanks, or all the flaws the signing carries with it
    To put it not too kindly: stuff a sock in it. This site has it’s biases (see the URL), but we pride ourselves on intelligent discourse, from both YFs and SFs alike. It’s not impossible to assess moves with some objectivity, so to blanket an entire fandom, whether pro-NY or pro-Boston, is just unfair.
    More specifically, this move would have been praised if done by Cashman, it’s such a wise move. No downside, great upside – the guy is cheap and has minor league options. It wasn’t rocket science by Theo, but it was tremendously opportunistic. Does someone know the out-of-season waiver wire rules to explain how the Sox were able to jump on Choi quickest?

    SF March 25, 2006, 6:36 am
  • No idea SF.
    What I do know though is that this move has no downside and it increasingly looks to me like the Sox perceive Lowell to be cooked offensively. I expect to see Youk move to third at some point this year and Choi to first.
    What’s beautiful about Choi is that with some protection in the batting order, he hits for some serious power. One of the guys over at Fire Brand posted numbers for Choi hitting in the 2 spot with the Dodgers last year. They were .316/.391/1.037 with 158 ABs and 14 HRs. Yummy.

    Craig March 25, 2006, 7:22 am
  • SF and Craig, in order for the Sox to claim Choi, 26 other teams (not including the Yanks) had to pass on him. Remember that little controversy about who won the AL East last year? Selig said that the Sox should think of themselves as co-winners. Turns out, according to the waiver rules, the Yanks had a better record than than Boston last year. So, I’m going to say it loud and proud: The Yankees were the division winners in 2005! Wow, that doesn’t make me feel any better about this.

    NickYF March 25, 2006, 8:07 am
  • So Cashman (and the Yanks) are off the hook. They never had a chance at Choi.

    SF March 25, 2006, 8:43 am
  • I dunno…
    As I read somewhere else, it was more than possible for the Yanks to offer up some lower level players, like Duncan or some other player with a very low value to the Dodgers before he hit the wire. The entire leauge has known this move was coming from the moment Nomar inked the deal, so claiming that there was nothing to do to improve the bleak bench situation in NY is clearly wrong. Had cashman approached the Dodgers and offered ANYTHING in return, I’m sure they would have bit. Although, it’s not that hard to believe that maybe the Dodgers did not want to do business with he Yanks and just opted to lose the player.

    Brad March 25, 2006, 9:17 am
  • Brad, I’m wondering about that myself. I might be wrong, but I think there might be a rule against trading a player recently re-signed. Anyone know?

    NickYF March 25, 2006, 9:20 am
  • “Anyone know?”
    if there is a rule, Bronson Arroyo wants someone to notify his agents immediately

    Ric March 25, 2006, 10:37 am
  • Brad,
    “Lower level player like Duncan”?
    Duncan is considered by most to be the Yankees number one prospect. It’d be a cold day in hell before Cashman gave up Eric Duncan for the just dumped by the Dodgers, Hee Seop Choi.
    Did anyone ever consider that maybe Cashman, considering that the Sox already had Youk, Snow, and in a pinch (a BIG pinch), Ortiz at first, might have thought the Sox would also pass on Choi, and the Yanks could get him for nothing?
    Actually, the Sox may have grabbed Choi just so the Yankees COULDN’T get him.

    whatever March 25, 2006, 10:42 am
  • That seems a stretch Whatever. Let’s give credit where credit is due, and hope the Yanks can do something down the road to solidify the bench.
    For what it’s worth, over on Bronx Banter, Cliff Corcoran notes the similarity of Choi to Papi, at the same point in their careers. Scary thought.

    YF March 25, 2006, 11:20 am
  • YF,
    What’s a stretch? Do ya think it never crossed Theo’s mind that if the Sox didn’t grab Choi, the Yanks might?
    And by the way, your weak pussy stance as a Yankee fan around here is very annoying.
    SF challenges Yankee fans right and left, but you seem content to sit back meekly and say nothing, acting like a 6th grader with stage fright during the school play.
    Not only that, but you lament RJ’s 6 inns. no runs allowed, 9k outing as something to be concerned about, bring up Mussina getting bombed by the Tigers, and didn’t have the balls to rebut Hudson when he gave you shit about your reasons for the Sox regulars not showing up for the Yankee game. I don’t see SF posting about Schilling getting bombed by minor leaguers.
    Am I the only one who’s going to stand up for the Yankees around here? You and Nick need to start protecting your turf instead of gushing about the Red Sox moves and saying very little in a positive manner about the Yanks. I might not agree with SF a lot of the time, but at least he’s got the guts to push things from the Sox point of view, which you don’t.

    whatever March 25, 2006, 12:31 pm
  • whatever:
    WHAT?!? Are you seriously calling for YF and Nick to be LESS thoughtful and more dogmatic? If I wanted that kind of crap, I’d be listening to sports radio.
    The Yankees don’t need you or anyone else to “stand up” for them. Nor does any of this have anything to do with “guts.” It doesn’t take any “guts” to spew knee-jerk defenses of all things Yanks; all it takes is a total disinterest in thoughtfully evaluating moves and an indifference to looking like jerk.
    Besides, didn’t you yourself just criticize the Yankees in the comment directly above this one, where you suggest that Cashman may have been complacent about the Sox picking up Choi?

    are you kidding?? March 25, 2006, 1:17 pm
  • AYK is right. Nick and YF have no responsibility to reflexively defend the Yankees, as I have no such obligation to the Sox. That would only make for debased discussions. Both Nick and YF are honest in their proclamations about the Yankees and the Sox, and that’s a great thing.

    SF March 25, 2006, 1:40 pm
  • are you kidding,
    Is that you SF? Or who? It doesn’t really matter.
    No one is looking for “a knee-jerk defense of all things Yanks”. Far from it.
    I am objective and certainly have no problem criticizing the Yankees. But there are plenty of positive things to report on the Yankees. I don’t see them here. Sure the Sox have made some moves that may work out well for them. Let SF talk about them.
    You don’t think the Yankees need anyone to stand up for them? We’ll around here, I think they do. Is the Yankee contingent here as aggressive as SF in refuting disparaging remarks about the Yanks as he is about the Sox? Not by a long shot.
    Look, if you examine the current content on this site, and read what I said, and can’t understand my point of view, well, it would be a waste of my time trying to make it clear to you.

    whatever March 25, 2006, 2:03 pm
  • SF,
    No one is saying they aren’t honest. Nice republican tactic SF, twisting things out of context.
    Time and again I’ve seen you challenge posts you disagreed with. Not once have I seen the Yankee boys do it. Not in the couple of months I’ve visited this site.

    whatever March 25, 2006, 2:11 pm
  • I didn’t say you were being dishonest. What I said was that all we can ask for is that YF and Nick post honestly, which they do. And if that means they aren’t as aggressive in defending the Yankees then it means that they don’t feel that the Yankees need to be aggressively defended. That attitude is not worthy of being attacked.

    SF March 25, 2006, 2:19 pm
  • Whatever, Whatever. I call it as I see it. If you don’t think there’s enough pro-Yanks material here, I don’t think you’re paying attention. As for defending my positions, I defend them when they’re seriously attacked, as anyone who reads this site consistently knows well. But I have neither the time nor desire to debase myself and enter the fray every time some wingnut (either YF or SF) makes a stupid comment or misinterprets an obvious point. Sometimes I will, sometimes I won’t.
    And to respond to your point, yes, I do believe the suggestion that the Sox picked up Choi simply to block the Yankees from doing so (and not primarily because he filled their own need) is, at best, ridiculous.

    YF March 25, 2006, 2:36 pm
  • SF,
    The thing is, I’ve watched a lot of anti-Yankee bullshit go by here with no one saying peep. Then YF decides to pipe up and call my post on Duncan, etc, a stretch, and well, I didn’t like it and it set me off.
    It wasn’t a stretch. Cashman wouldn’t trade Duncan for Choi, he very well may have thought the Sox would pass on Choi, and if anyone doesn’t think Theo wasn’t thinking one of the positives in picking up Choi was keeping him from the Yanks, (not the only reason to claim him, but one of them), well, they are badly mistaken.
    Anyway, it’s becoming clear to me it’s time for me to refrain from posting at this site.
    I’m kind of feeling like persona non grata around here. No big deal, I’ll soon be getting my baseball fix watching the Yanks and Sox for real, on DirecTV’s MLB Extra Innings.
    Sorry if I ruffled any feathers while I was around.

    whatever March 25, 2006, 3:22 pm
  • Nobody is persona non grata around here, particularly not passionate Sox and Yanks fans, so don’t quit us just yet. But as a matter of this recent dustup I, for one, don’t like flamethrowing, and the problem with your most recent post was that it seemed not based on a reasonable debate (the whole questioning of whether Theo wanted to keep Choi from the Yankees IS a reasonable debate topic, as far as I am concerned, so that’s not the issue for me), but rather an attack on YF and Nick for not standing up for the Yankees enough, which is an insubtantial charge, and also irrelevant – they can stand up for the Yankees as much or as little as they want to. This criticism, in the long-term context of this site, was not only inaccurate but also unnecessary, and that’s what rightly set people off, as far as I am concerned.

    SF March 25, 2006, 3:33 pm
  • I think that SF and YF have said just about everything there is to say on the topic, but I’ll put my two cents in anyway. I started reading this site a little over a year ago, and I was immeadiately impressed by both YF and Nick, who at the time was still just a commenter like myself. Nick especially struck me as extremely reasonable and I’ve really enjoyed the conversations and debates I’ve had with him. As for aggressive defense of our teams, as a Sox fan, I tend to only get upset at things like John claiming that Manny is on steroids or Walien randomly complaining that ‘Tek is a wimp for wearing the ‘C’ on his shirt. (No offense, J and W, these were just the best recent examples I can think of right now.) My point is that as fans, we all have deifferent ways of supporting our teams. If I attack the Yankees (or their fans), I do my best to do so using logic. Others just like to attck a whole fan base with no ground whatsoever (see the third comment in this thread). But, please, WE, if you have a problem with the way someone supports their team, keep it to yourself, unless it is insulting to you (or your team). Don’t get mad because Nick and YF are too calm and objective. There are plenty of YF’s around who are a lot less fun to talk too.

    Laura March 26, 2006, 9:25 am

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