Could This Guy Get Any Worse?

I mean, sure J.D. Drew hit a two-run homer last night to give the Red Sox a lead they would never relinquish, but the man is streaky, and he couldn't even hit .300 last night. Look at these numbers, split into meaningful samples of four to five plate appearances:

  • Sept. 1: .250/.400/1.000
  • Aug. 31: He didn't even play!

Streaky. Bad hitter. Get this overpaid bum off the team.

65 comments… add one

  • Childish bro…

    krueg reincarnate September 2, 2009, 9:05 am
  • Last night in the top of the 8th Drew got up to get a drink of gatorade from the cooler, and didn’t offer to get any for his teammates. What a selfish, gatorade-hogging asshole.

    Atheose September 2, 2009, 9:06 am
  • funny though!

    dw (sf) September 2, 2009, 9:06 am
  • Childish bro…
    Not as childish as JD Drew, who I’m pretty sure glanced up to make sure his ball was gone as he jogged around the bases. Showboat.

    Paul SF September 2, 2009, 9:08 am
  • Childish bro…
    Not as childish as JD Drew, who I’m pretty sure glanced up to make sure his ball was gone as he jogged around the bases. Showboat.
    OK bro, whatever makes you feel better. Someone disagrees with you vigorously, you get upset and post this. Awesome. What’s the point? Aren’t we suppossed to stay away from inflamatory garbage like this? Guess not if you’re an SF mod.

    krueg reincarnate September 2, 2009, 9:23 am
  • nice “told you so” post…i assume you will do the same when he K’s with the go ahead run in scoring position tonight!

    sam-YF September 2, 2009, 9:23 am
  • OK bro, whatever makes you feel better. Someone disagrees with you vigorously, you get upset and post this.
    If JD Drew heard you say that you know what he would do? Do you?
    He would stare at you with a blank look on his face. Cause he’s a dick.

    Atheose September 2, 2009, 9:26 am
  • Some people need a visit from the sense of humor fairy. That is, if JD Drew hadn’t already crushed it in his fist.

    Paul SF September 2, 2009, 9:28 am
  • Maybe, except the “humor fairy” always seems to wear a Sox jersey around here…

    krueg reincarnate September 2, 2009, 9:40 am
  • I just hope Swisher doesn’t demand Drew dollars when his contract is up.

    IronHorse September 2, 2009, 9:41 am
  • okay, we all know that j.d. drew has been one of paul’s favored subjecta for a long time, and no one, anywhere, has looked at his sox tenure more closely. so, everyone here is going to have to forgive our beloved mod if he gets a bit prickly on the subject.
    everyone take it down a notch, try to smile, pretty day, blah blah blah.
    really, the sox aren’t even going to make the playoffs so who gives a crap, right? KIDDING!

    YF September 2, 2009, 9:41 am
  • Haven’t we met the “JD Drew is underrated by so and so” quota this year yet?

    Lar September 2, 2009, 9:52 am
  • I just hope Swisher doesn’t demand Drew dollars when his contract is up.
    I think the market’s still a ways from being what it was in 2006, IH. That said, Swisher should be an interesting case because he has an odd mix of skills that correspond closely to Drew’s.
    He’s a 120 OPS+ guy, like Drew, heavy on the OBP, like Drew, and comparable power, but he’s got a little more home run power and not as much batting average, so I guess it depends on whether someone focuses on the 20+ homers every year or the .250-.260 batting average every year. He’ll be 30 in 2011, 31 in 2012 if the Yankees exercise their option. By then, the market probably WILL have righted itself, and he’ll be making $10.25 million. If he’s still getting on base at a .370-.380 clip and hitting 20-25 home runs, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him make close to $15 million a year.

    Paul SF September 2, 2009, 9:54 am
  • Speaking of his Swishness, there was a LOT of dumping on C-Money earlier this year, with the Yanks languishing, but Betemit for Swish has to be one of the great swindles in recent memory. Our boy is not entirely without game, nevermind the big FA contracts.

    YF September 2, 2009, 10:09 am
  • I was really just following in the “humor” line of the thread Paul – and getting a humurous zing in after the Swisher references made in yesterday’s Drew thread and subsequent Sox gamer – mostly by sfs. I am not a Drew detractor. I don’t really care about the guy much either way, but could see the annoyance if he’s a guy you like and he is often underrated. Now you know how we yfs feel about the woefully and perpetually underrated Derek Jeter.
    I do appreciate your stats review on Swisher. For a guy who was supposed to be a backup, he has been great on the field and – supposedly – in the clubhouse. And Cashman got him for Betemit, Marquez, and Nunoz – none of whom are particularly distinguishing themselves this year. PLus, he gives a good interview.

    IronHorse September 2, 2009, 10:11 am
  • Ha, funny. Thanks krueg. When you lose an argument around here I guess they respond by digging in their heels, especially when they’re wrong.
    okay, we all know that j.d. drew has been one of paul’s favored subjecta for a long time, and no one, anywhere, has looked at his sox tenure more closely.
    So that gives him license to misinterpret what he finds and in the direction of his biases? He showed yesterday Drew has performed to his contract in 5 months of the 17 he’s been paid. We’re supposed to ignore the other 12 months? Actually, let’s just celebrate him for all of his good games then ignore all others! Evidence be damned!
    Swisher should be an interesting case because he has an odd mix of skills that correspond closely to Drew’s.
    And to think the Yankees got all that, plus three more cost-controlled years, for Wilson Betemit!? But the only place to get a RF is on the free agent market.
    I wouldn’t be surprised to see him make close to $15 million a year.
    I would. JD Drew doesn’t earn that. Neither will Swisher. He’s a great player, and an amazing value, for under $8 – 10 million. Anything more than that is wasted. As we’re seeing with one JD Drew.
    Now where’s the ode here to the great, and undervalued, Johnny Damon? I mean if JD Drew should get all this love, surely Damon deserves even more?

    James YF September 2, 2009, 10:14 am
  • Why won’t anyone listen to me? Maybe if I post the same thing 30 times in a row people will believe me!
    Posted by: AYF/Rob/James YF | Wednesday, September 02, 2009 at 10:14 AM

    Atheose September 2, 2009, 10:23 am
  • Who’s Rob and why are you associating me with him?
    And you’re criticizing me for posting the same points from yesterday? Um, hello, McFly you did read the post, right? Or am I not getting the “Humor” tag? Does that mean: Forget all the team-centric nonsense I peddled yesterday?
    Of course, saying Nick Swisher, because he’s like JD Drew, will be worth $15 million is just continuing that same nonsense irrespective of, you know, reality.

    James YF September 2, 2009, 10:27 am
  • and getting a humurous zing in after the Swisher references made in yesterday’s Drew thread and subsequent Sox gamer – mostly by sfs.
    Well, we weren’t the ones who brought Swishalishous into the discussion. :-D
    Seriously, Betemit and change for Swisher is a crime. And the White Sox wonder why they’re so awful this year. Though every time I’m tempted to complain about trades like that one and the Abreu-for-nothing deal the Yanks made with the Phillies, I have to remind myself that the Sox got one HOF pitcher for Carl Pavano in 1997 and another one for basically nothing in 2004.

    Paul SF September 2, 2009, 10:32 am
  • Wait, are all YFs that show up here and actually debate something treated as lepers? Is that what I’m missing? Doesn’t the “finest commentary” actually require pushback. If it’s true, what’s the problem? If it’s not, then don’t people want to read a contrary opinion?
    Or does being a moderator here mean no one can dispute what you say? I ask seriously. Seems like I stepped on a third rail.

    James YF September 2, 2009, 10:32 am
  • Welcome back…Like a Boomerang.
    Ath, did you find that video yet of AJ?

    John - YF September 2, 2009, 10:33 am
  • Welcome back…Like a Boomerang.
    Except you don’t want this boomerang to come back!
    I’m at work so I haven’t had a chance yet, John. I’m going home for lunch in about half an hour though, so maybe it’ll be on sportscenter then.

    Atheose September 2, 2009, 10:35 am
  • Are we really going to rehash yesterday’s run-in all over again? Yes, some of James’ arguments were weak yesterday and he seemed to come in rather antagonistic from the start. But it’s certainly legit to argue that Damon and Swisher are both better values as corner outfielders than Drew given their production for dollars spent just as it is legit to point out that the market for RFs in 2006 might not have provided many – or any – better values than what the Sox got from Drew. And from my point of view anyway some of the sf reaction to james yesterday was also over the top in terms of both the gang-tackle feeling and the rather ad nauseum nature as it dragged into both game threads last night.
    Whether or not JD Drew is worth what he will have been paid by the time his contract ends I don’t know. I am fairly certain he is not worth this much (virtual) ink though.
    Wow. September ball is clearly upon us.

    IronHorse September 2, 2009, 10:35 am
  • Any team could have had Abreu or Swisher if they were willing to take on the contracts. The Yankees swallowed Swisher’s contract whole. The best comparable this season is Rios. But yeah, Kenny Williams needs to go into another line of work.

    James YF September 2, 2009, 10:36 am
  • Whether or not JD Drew is worth what he will have been paid by the time his contract ends I don’t know.
    Well, it’s not looking good. And with two years left.
    Agreed on all the ink. That’s what I couldn’t understand about yesterday (and now today). Benjamin wrote a good article, then a 1000-word post seeks to debunk it (while calling it “garbage”) but ends up supporting the same exact conclusions. But somehow that ended up twisted into a discussion of fangraphs and how poor monthly splits are. That’s followed up with a happy post based on Drew’s last game? Huh?
    Can a YF mod post something about how great Swisher, or Damon, is? Or is that not how it works around here?

    James YF September 2, 2009, 10:42 am
  • Sorry, we under strict advisement that only Pro-Red Sox posts are to be made. Anything re: the Yankees must be negative and antagonistic or Gamers of course…Just kidding SF! I will work on something today in re: to Swisher and my man crush on him.

    John - YF September 2, 2009, 10:50 am
  • There have been several YF’s that have chimed in on here from time to time that some of the SF’s don’t like James. They were a little too aggresive (in SF’s minds) in defending their points of view and were subsequently “run out of town”. The list that Ath posted are said YF’s…

    krueg reincarnate September 2, 2009, 10:51 am
  • Can a YF mod post something about how great Swisher, or Damon, is? Or is that not how it works around here?
    It’s comments like this that make it hard for most of us to take you seriously.

    Atheose September 2, 2009, 10:52 am
  • “Are we really going to rehash yesterday’s run-in all over again?”
    Sure seems like that was Paul’s intention IH, no?

    krueg reincarnate September 2, 2009, 10:52 am
  • James, Paul did a lot of research to put up the post he did yesterday and I think you’re the only person who thinks he came to the same conclusion as Benjamin.
    As for a post about Damon, I have considered it. Not as a reaction to the Drew post but on its own merits given the interest and passion that both fanbases who gather here have when it comes to Damon. And frankly because as a YF I have been pleasantly surprised by how his performance has held up (apart from his arm, but he never had one to begin with). But until I have the time to do the research to put a quality post up, I’m not going to. I imagine other YF mods have been similarly strapped for time these days.
    I for one am very grateful that Paul takes the time to put up the interesting and provocative posts he does and my complaint about wasted ink here was not about Paul’s original post but about the long-running and pretty petty debate that followed all the way into today. And I’m sorry but I do think if you had entered the discussion yesterday in a little less of an attack mode the discussion might have gone differently. TO me, disagreeing with an argument is very different from trying to antagonize or sh*%$ing on the considerable effort someone took to launch an informed debate.

    IronHorse September 2, 2009, 10:56 am
  • That list that of people that Ath provided was not run out of town because just “SF’s don’t like.” This is not a Sox fan specific issue. It’s also not a matter of “like” or dislike, it’s a matter of where every single conversation went. Much like the post about Drew. SF and YF are two of the most honest and fair guys I know, they don’t just run people out of her because they don’t “like” them. They always act in a way that’s best for this (their) site.

    John - YF September 2, 2009, 10:56 am
  • Everyone is entitled to their opinion Johnny…
    Some REAL news:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/09/02/2009-09-02_kate_hudson_finds_ahome.html
    Guess we know why ARod has been staying out of the papers, in-house. ;)

    krueg reincarnate September 2, 2009, 11:00 am
  • kr, I was not thrilled to see today’s post either frankly and I don’t think it is surprising that it has led to a return to where we (almost) left off last night. But it did have a humor tagline and so my first comment on it tried to go in that direction. But yeah – I largely agree with you on this one.

    IronHorse September 2, 2009, 11:02 am
  • It’s John, not Johnny…thanks.

    John - YF September 2, 2009, 11:03 am
  • Wow dude.

    krueg reincarnate September 2, 2009, 11:04 am
  • KATE HUDSON NO! DONT DO IT!

    Atheose September 2, 2009, 11:05 am
  • Maybe JD needs a mohawk and everyone will change their minds about how great of a guy he is? Maybe he should start slapping people with whip cream pies, and everyone will forget that his personality isn’t something that agrees with them?
    Frankly, I find it hilarious that fans of either team argue about a player’s worth v. their payroll chunk. Seriously. These are the same two teams that paid Carl Pavano and Edgar Renteria.
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder sometimes.

    Brad September 2, 2009, 11:13 am
  • Not sure I get the point Brad. Because each team has at times overpaid we can’t debate when and where they have made good moves?
    As for Drew’s personality or lack thereof, this has been raised by Drew-supporters yesterday and now today as a strawman to then tear down much more than it has been used by anyone to critique him, so I’m not sure who or what you’re reacting to with that one.

    IronHorse September 2, 2009, 11:19 am
  • I think you’re the only person who thinks he came to the same conclusion as Benjamin.
    What he said and what his stats showed are two entirely different things. I mean, who, but a diehard SF, can see that 12 of Drew’s 17 Sox months haven’t been worth his contract AND disagree with Benjamin? So the discussion led to fangraphs – and an overreliance on their values – and the “arbitrariness” of monthly splits. Seems like an “informed” debate to me.
    I for one am very grateful that Paul takes the time
    Why take the time if you already know what your conclusion is going to be?
    And I’m sorry but I do think if you had entered the discussion yesterday in a little less of an attack mode the discussion might have gone differently.
    Really? How were my first few comments an “attack”? Seriously, point out where I crossed any line.
    Then I was attacked. And from all sides. For disagreeing.
    Just so we’re clear: I’m now at risk of “being run out of town”? For what?

    James YF September 2, 2009, 11:25 am
  • Are you guys messing with my IP address? Is that how you run people out of town? Through IP blocks? So advanced!
    Of course, this post continued the debate from yesterday. If you don’t think it should have been continued you should talk to the moderator.
    Whoops! Seems we’re in a pickle if moderators here can’t be contradicted. So why have a comments section at all?

    James YF September 2, 2009, 11:29 am
  • No, I’m not discouraging the argument, IH.
    I just find it funny is all. It’s the Red Sox and the Yankees. Each team overpays for the players – it’s why players come to the teams in the first place.
    I think JD is working out just fine. Yes, he’s streaky, but watching every game I can also say that he’s one of the best hitters on the team right now, imo. We’re all fixated on what he gets paid v. his streakiness and production.
    Everyone has a dog in the fight, of course, but I just think it’s funny that we get into day-long discussions about the issue. Each side can cherry-pick whatever time frame, stat, advanced stat or whatever they wish to prove their point more eloquently (as most of you have done, while others just revert to calling him “Nancy” and throwing flames), but in the end, he’s the RF for the Red Sox and that’s not going to change. All we can hope is that he produces like he should. Whether he has already is up to opinion and eyeballs. I happen to think he has, others think he hasn’t – I’m not offended. We’ll see down the stretch, I guess.

    Brad September 2, 2009, 11:39 am
  • Uh oh, someone just called Drew “streaky”.

    James YF September 2, 2009, 11:47 am
  • James’s posts read exactly like the people that have been banned, we all know who they are. They generally have these similar traits, needlessly antagonistic and trollish, but actually contain solid baseball analysis. Which is a shame.
    I imagine his ability to come back again, again and again is a result of changing jobs often for reasons like, “intelligent but doesn’t work well with others.”

    LocklandSF September 2, 2009, 11:53 am
  • James, anyone reading Paul’s original post knows that he was arguing the value of Drew’s contract to date – over the entirety of that time. He was criticizing the arbitrary month-by-month approach and demonstrated how easy it is to manipulate by taking another month-by-month take that made Drew look better than that which Benjamin took. If you didn’t know that was his conclusion you could have learned it be reading his clear summary of his argument later in the game thread.
    And no one attacked you yesterday before you called Drew “Nancy” multiple times. The only reason an opposing fan uses the deragatory nickname of one of your own players in a serious debate is when they want to goad you.
    As for why spend time when you know your conclusion, I’m sorry but that is pretty much the entirety of the sports blogosphere. It’s not Masterpiece Theater or a lab at MIT where you genuinely test hypotheses with little stake in the results. You make arguments based on what you believe and some people marshal more stats to defend their case than others. Regardless, your (and my) desire for a Damon post is driven by very much the same desire.

    IronHorse September 2, 2009, 11:55 am
  • The “Nancy” thing wasn’t helpful surely…

    krueg reincarnate September 2, 2009, 12:02 pm
  • You did say I attacked from beginning. Are you now backing off of that claim?
    As for Nancy, I thought even SFs called him that. My mistake. But if that was truly it I should have been corrected for that and in context. I wasn’t. And you think that justifies the response?
    As for the post, we could also argue about whether monthly stats are truly arbitrary. They’re not. Not by the dictionary definition. They’re certainly more reasonable than daily or weekly stats. Less so than 1st and 2nd half splits. It really is a numbers game.
    Regardless, the post tried to use monthly stats to justify one conclusion (see the 53% bit) even while they really support the opposite (and Benjamin’s) conclusion. I don’t see how any one could conclude otherwise unless they started with a different conclusion.
    I’ve got no problem with honest debate. But shutting it down leads to blogs like any other. Is that really what you guys want? Just another blog?
    Now what about the guy being a troll, two days running, while calling others that? No need to correct him? Calling someone a troll, while adding nothing, is an example of itself.

    James YF September 2, 2009, 12:19 pm
  • Just so I’m clear: Does every vigorous disagreement here end this way? Or only the ones where a player’s fan nickname is used? I suppose Slappy McPurple is off-limits then?

    James YF September 2, 2009, 12:23 pm
  • Lockland hits the nail on the head.

    Atheose September 2, 2009, 12:24 pm
  • For the record, this post, humor tag and all, was not to my liking. This was discussed rationally between moderators early in the day, and it had already garnered comments and we felt at that point it was not worth taking down, though Paul graciously and wisely removed the picture at request.
    FYI it is important to recognize that we do discuss things offline, specifically things like this (even with a humor tag) contentious and easily-seen-as-antagonistic post, those discussions are mostly, for good reason and our right, private.

    SF September 2, 2009, 12:36 pm
  • Can’t we all change the subject and make fun of Posada for losing count TWICE yesterday while he was batting?

    rootbeerfloat September 2, 2009, 12:47 pm
  • If player nicknames are off-limits, why are posters allowed to call each other names? And while adding nothing else to the site?

    James YF September 2, 2009, 12:51 pm
  • …and then hits the HR RBF, rowdy. I can understand losing the count once, but twice? Was he high or something???

    krueg reincarnate September 2, 2009, 12:54 pm
  • James, I hear what you are saying but we need to move on. Nothing good is going to come from further debate, believe me.
    It’s all good bro, join us in the Yankee gamers where all is good and right!!! ;)

    krueg reincarnate September 2, 2009, 12:56 pm
  • it’s interesting (ironic?) that there is such an emotional response to a player that exhibits little emotion.

    dw (sf) September 2, 2009, 1:09 pm
  • James: instead of wondering ad nauseum about what is and is not acceptable on this site, a subject that makes everyone bored and unhappy, just make your comments, and do it without rancor or antagonism. if you wonder whether something’s acceptable, be conservative. if you see someone else do something antagonistic, let it wash. just because X jumps off a bridge doesn’t mean you have to also. it’s the internet, everyone can’t always have the last word, and we have neither time or patience or interest in endlessly policing every comment. end of story.
    again, let me remind everyone here that this should not be taken as some open purely democratic forum. yfsf is like a dinner party, and the mods are the hosts. if you don’t like what you read here, feel free to disagree politely, just as you would around a table. and keep in mind that we will ask guests who don’t treat our home with respect to go. okay. THAT’s the end of story.

    YF September 2, 2009, 1:12 pm
  • Nothing good is going to come from further debate, believe me.
    You sound like a beaten woman stuck in an abusive relationship. :)
    I’d join in the gamers, but working while listening is hard enough! Keep up your posts though. I love the reincarnate bit.

    James YF September 2, 2009, 1:18 pm
  • YF -
    I did exactly what you’re saying yesterday. Where’d that get me? I got admonished long after the fact for a nickname. Meanwhile, guests who simply sat there, stuffed their faces, and insulted people are welcome to return?
    If your attitude is one of a dinner party, why have open comments? If you’re having a dinner party do you leave the front door open?

    James YF September 2, 2009, 1:31 pm
  • Of course, I’ve never been to a dinner party where it was okay to swear like a teenager as your co-namesake was doing yesterday.
    It really is up to you guys whether you want a dinner, or frat, party. But what determines that more than anything is the example you set. The lemmings will, and do, simply follow along.

    James YF September 2, 2009, 1:46 pm
  • I wish Nick Swisher were here to help us all laugh this off.

    IronHorse September 2, 2009, 1:55 pm
  • If your attitude is one of a dinner party, why have open comments? If you’re having a dinner party do you leave the front door open?
    Yet another Rob argument that we’ve heard rehashed over and over.

    Atheose September 2, 2009, 2:30 pm
  • It’s just not worth it James. Like YF said, this is their site, we’re just visitors. Just ignore it, which I should have done, and we’ll all move on…
    The great thing about this site is that MOST of the time, it’s a civil site and there are few grudges held. Yes, sometimes you have to be the bigger person (whether that is true or imagined depending on the situation)and just let it go. Some couldn’t and don’t come back, others, like myself, just try and have fun and exist!

    krueg reincarnate September 2, 2009, 2:33 pm
  • “I wish Nick Swisher were here to help us all laugh this off.”
    that fall out boy cheese-hawk always makes me laugh. really, people are still doing that? you go swishasaurus!
    is there a value quotient for extending the postseason life of a team? by my count jd’s bat bought the sox 7 extra postseason games. not sure how much extra revenue winning a world series brings a team, but the sox would have been watching from home if not for drews bat. as a fan, i couldn’t put a dollar value on it.

    sf rod September 2, 2009, 2:38 pm
  • JD Drew’s bat was the sole reason why the Sox won a World Series? The Sox destroyed the Indians in Game 6. Drew helped break it open, but are you suggesting all of the other runs wouldn’t have scored had Drew not succeeded with the bases loaded?
    Drew wasn’t even healthy enough to start every game that series. Drew had an iconic hit, but it meant very little in a tangible sense.

    AndrewYF September 2, 2009, 3:07 pm
  • I dunno, it likely polished Carmona off pretty good. There were 2 out and no runs in; game could have turned out very differently.

    Devine September 2, 2009, 5:00 pm
  • Why are we reliving October glory-moments of the Boston Red Sox? I can’t take it! I propose we shift this discussion to the value in terms of production to contract dollar of…say…Aaron Boone?

    IronHorse September 2, 2009, 5:15 pm

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