Curioser and Curioser

An incredibly frank interview with Bronson Arroyo in this morning's Herald:

Bronson Arroyo, a 2003 Red Sox teammate of Favid Ortiz and Manny Ramirez, said yesterday he would not be shocked to discover his name on the list of 104 major league ballplayers who tested positive in the spring of 2003 for using performance-enhancing drugs.

His reason may shed light on what may have happened to Ortiz in 2003, as well.

Back then, Arroyo said via phone from Cincinnati, he was using both androstenedione, which was not banned until the 2004 season, and amphetamines, which were not banned until 2006.

The only reason Arroyo stopped using andro was because he heard through the grapevine that, because of lax production standards, some andro was laced with known steroids, such as Winstrol. …

“Before 2004, none of us paid any attention to anything we took,” said the Reds starter. “Now they don’t want us to take anything unless it’s approved. But back then, who knows what was in stuff? The FDA wasn’t regulating stuff, not unless it was killing people or people were dying from it.”

Arroyo, who pitched for the Red Sox from 2003-05, said he began taking andro after 1998, when he finished his Double-A season with the Pirates. He loved the effect.

15 comments… add one

  • I’m just so over all of this…I don’t care about who did what and when. It seems fairly obvious that it was pervasive in the sport. Maybe since I’m not a huge baseball fan or any kind of purist (I cannot even watch a baseball game if the Yankees are not playing)it doesn’t bother me as much as some?
    Good for Arroyo. Everyone should just come out and be honest. I cannot blame someone for trying to gain an edge given the salaries paid to these guys. Would anyone here think twice about taking PED’s if it meant you could support your family for the rest of your life?
    Release the list so we can get this over with and move on…that’s my two cents.

    krueg July 31, 2009, 11:27 am
  • What’s the difference between this statement and Papi’s milkshake comment, other than the style, delivery?

    SF July 31, 2009, 11:38 am
  • Well, Ortiz said he didn’t know at all what was in the milkshake (IIRC). Arroyo is saying he was taking andro and amphetamines, and that they might have triggered a positive test. The specificity is surprising to me, though he’s smart to get ahead of any release of the list. Now, if he’s on the list, he can point back to these comments and move on.

    Paul SF July 31, 2009, 11:42 am
  • Arroyo comes clean and no one will blink an eye. Smart move by him. This is the perfect time to come forward and say what you were taking earlier in the decade. It’s much better than being outed.

    AndrewYF July 31, 2009, 11:56 am
  • The only reason Arroyo stopped using andro was because he heard through the grapevine that, because of lax production standards, some andro was laced with known steroids, such as Winstrol. …
    “Before 2004, none of us paid any attention to anything we took,” said the Reds starter. “Now they don’t want us to take anything unless it’s approved. But back then, who knows what was in stuff?

    Paul, he’s saying that he was taking Andro, and it might have been laced with something else, triggering a positive test, not that the Amphetamines or Andro in isolation would have triggered the positive. He’s saying EXACTLY THE SAME THING that Papi said, but in a first language.

    SF July 31, 2009, 12:10 pm
  • I don’t recall Papi saying he was taking andro or any other specific substance. Arroyo is acknowledging using two substances that are now banned from baseball, including one that was incredibly controversial. Players still drink protein and supplement shakes.

    Paul SF July 31, 2009, 12:20 pm
  • Arroyo: I took legal substances that might have been laced with something I didn’t know about, therefore testing positive.
    Ortiz: I drank shakes that I thought were legal but who knows what they put in those shakes, it could have been steroids.
    Really, there’s absolutely no difference to me between these two statements. I don’t know why Arroyo should be taken any more seriously than Papi, just because he speaks English more eloquently. Papi said this exact same thing two years ago, that he was using supplements and that those supplements might have contained illegal substances, so he stopped taking the supplements.

    SF July 31, 2009, 12:34 pm
  • I’m sort of over the who took what when thing as well, but I do have to say I don’t buy for a second the idea that millionaire professional athletes don’t know exactly what’s going into their bodies. Gary Sheffield made a similar argument a few years back too, and I didn’t buy it then.

    Mark-YF July 31, 2009, 12:52 pm
  • I definitely see a difference between Arroyo’s statements. Basically what Paul said. Admitting you took andro is at least mildly controversial. And what Andrew said: it’s a great PR move.

    Devine July 31, 2009, 1:55 pm
  • The Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from Indians acc to bob nightengale

    sam-YF July 31, 2009, 1:59 pm
  • just because he speaks English more eloquently.
    This has nothing to do with it. It’s borderline offensive, except that I know you better than to assume the worst-case interpretation behind this phrase.

    Paul SF July 31, 2009, 2:05 pm
  • Paul, please don’t overreact. This is a legitimate point, not about you but about the explanation and the delivery. Arroyo’s explanation is more fleshed out, more explanatory than Ortiz’. That’s my point. It comes off as informed and reasoned. It’s not “hey, I stopped drinking shakes, who knows what is in them”, which sounds flip and cavalier, to an extent. I am not implying any racism on anyone’s part (which is how I think you are reading my comment). In fact, I think these two guys are saying exactly the same thing, just differently. And I think Ortiz’ explanation is laughed at, despite it being no different, substantively, from Arroyo’s.

    SF July 31, 2009, 2:13 pm
  • Ortiz knew he was on the list according to this Boston Globe and others. I guess this means he is a liar too and not a word he says on this subject can be trusted.
    http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2009/08/01/ortiz_others_knew_they_were_on_the_list/

    sam-YF August 1, 2009, 9:01 am
  • Of course he did, Sam. But he has a nice smile. So he doesn’t cheat on his wife.

    Rob August 1, 2009, 9:11 am
  • You should change your handle to “broken record”.

    SF August 1, 2009, 11:01 am

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