Curt & Lou: Can’t We All Get Along?

Poor Lou Piniella. He’s stuck managing a loser in humid Tampa, and now Curt Schilling is questioning his baseball IQ and calling him a tough-guy poseur. We guess Curt’s got some extra time for reflection now that he’s on the DL. (The good news: A-Rod’s seems to have dropped from the #1 slot on his most wanted list—that riff was getting tired.)

Anyway, Lou’s pissed, and he’s waiting for an apology: “I have forgotten more baseball than this guy knows. I’ll tell you I’ve always admired his pitching ability and competitiveness, but I can honestly tell you I’ve lost a lot of respect for him. I’m looking forward to talking to Curt myself and get this matter cleared up….I was told Curt was going to call. I’ll he happy to pick up the phone if that’s what it takes.”

By the way, he left a number: 1-900-FUCKOFF

43 comments… add one

  • Yeah, I’d be upset too if I had to manage the ‘Rays. However, attacking Schill for speaking the truth is no way to vent your frustration. At least Curt knew when to get out of town when things started getting bad…ala Clemens and Pettite-who both knew what ship was sinking. Heard a good stat today: The Yankee pitching staff, post-todays beat down, have given up more runs in April than any Yankee team since 1903! Please refrain from making comments from the basement YF…

    zimmerrolls April 27, 2005, 11:50 pm
  • Now, who was saying post-game that it was OK to ‘even the score’ or whatever euphamisim was spewing from his mouth? Shameless, simply shameless …

    sithkhan April 28, 2005, 12:11 am
  • So Yanks fans aren’t obsessed with Schilling? Who could tell?

    SF April 28, 2005, 8:16 am
  • No, we’re not “obsessed”” with Curt Schilling. We don’t have a Schilling dart board in the den, and we don’t think about him when we go to sleep at night (and thank god.) We certainly weren’t the ones who went on the radio and then jammed our foot, leg, and lower abdomen into our mouths while discussing the managerial talents of a former Yankee favorite. That was your man, Curt.
    The truth is we don’t like Curt. He’s gotten the better of us twice, and hasn’t done so with much magnanimity. So we’re eagerly waiting for his comeupance, and are happy to see him embroiled in a ridiculous controversy of his own making. That doesn’t make us obsessed, however. Just normal.
    As for “speaking the truth,” as readers of this site know, we’ve never been a fan of Lou Piniella-as-manager; he doesn’t handle a pitching staff well, and his theatrics are tired. But an idiot? That’s pushing it. Idiots don’t win 116 games. And in any case, you’ve got to wonder why Schilling would think it a good idea to bring this up. We suggest he go take a read of Jeter’s “The Life You Imagine” for a lesson on comportment.

    YF April 28, 2005, 8:49 am
  • I said it yesterday. Curt’s a blow hard and an idiot who doesn’t know when to just shut it and pitch. It’s why we don’t bother in NY with him. He isn’t even likeable enough to spend any time coming up with new ways to boo. Pedro we enjoyed the back and forth with. And he clearly enjoyed it as well. He never took himself all that seriously. Curt thinks he’s the second coming of….something…king of the assholes I guess. But like someone else said he’ll have plenty of time to make new enemies now. Should a guy with an ankle held together with scotch tape be worried about how Lou Pinella manages? Doesn’t he have bigger things to be concerned about?
    Curt’s not a guy who will ever act ike he has been there before. When your an asshole at heart I guess it is tough to pretend not to be. Way to go Curt!

    Hammy April 28, 2005, 9:11 am
  • I lose more respect for Curt every day…why can’t he just shut up? Someone check his birth order, please. He seems to need so much attention. Those of us outside of the RSN do not care about your opinions. Haven’t seen this much hoof-in-mouth since John Rocker!!!

    sweetjetes April 28, 2005, 9:17 am
  • “we don’t think about him when we go to sleep at night”
    Uh, what time did you post this, YF? You have the gall to indict RSN for it’s obsession with A-Rod? After yesterday’s attacks on me, and on RSN for being unable to stay away from A-Rod, and after your seemingly never-ending threads a bit back about the whole A-Rod thing, this post and these comments come off pretty darn ugly for you. It’s pretty ironic, the timing of it, but I don’t expect you to get that in the slightest. I won’t generalize about any other Yankee fans, out of deference to Clay, Spidey, et al.
    I am also going to refrain from any further comments on this thread other than to ask you to go through the site history, and read your posts and comments about Schilling, and then spend just a minute or two to re-assess whether or not you think about Curt just a tad bit more than you are willing to cop to.

    SF April 28, 2005, 9:26 am
  • I think it’s actually pretty sad. Here’s Schilling who in 2001 pulled an upset with the help of Co-MVP Randy Johnson. Then 2004 has a gutty performance (For a baseball player, let’s face it Hockey players and Football players laugh at the bloody sock) and helps the Red Sox win their first World Series in 86 years, he was pretty much what put them over the top from 2003 to 2004. If he could only grow the F*%! up and show some class. He would be the most popular player since well since I can’t remember. Tough guy, giant killer, Yankee killer. Yet all we talk about is the inane stuff he says. His insatiable need for attention. Let’s face it he’s got 2 rings that say he’s a champion, but he’s got a lifetime of quotes that say he’s an insecure blowhard. It really is sad. Sort of reminds you of Barry Bonds, this should be the best time of their lives but their such miserable people that they will never really be happy. I guess money and fame aren’t everything. Somewhere there’s a little old man in the park feeding pidgeons, smiling with his grandkids that knows more joy and happiness than these two. I’m not saying they’re always miserable, I’m just saying that they don’t seem to know how to appreciate all the good fortune that they have been shown, (making so much money for playing a kids game), or all the things their hard work has accomplished. It’s so very sad.

    Joe in NJ April 28, 2005, 9:48 am
  • hmm. i wasn’t aware that in beating you guys, curt was required to show magnanimity.
    someone will have to tell him to learn how to “just shut it and pitch.” perhaps they could point to a.rod or gary sheffield as an example of such behavior?
    fact of the matter is, you hate him because he’s a red sox and he beat you. everything else is just noise.

    beth April 28, 2005, 11:48 am
  • Gee, Beth, “hate” is a pretty strong word. We don’t hate Curt. We think he’s kind of a jackass, but we save our truly deep feelings of bitterness for real evildoers, like John Tesh.

    YF April 28, 2005, 11:55 am
  • I think SF and YF are having a little lovers spat.

    Joe April 28, 2005, 11:56 am
  • //Gee, Beth, “hate” is a pretty strong word. We don’t hate Curt. We think he’s kind of a jackass, but we save our truly deep feelings of bitterness for real evildoers, like John Tesh.//
    semantics.

    beth April 28, 2005, 11:58 am
  • Well thankfully Beth came by to paint a fresh coat of perspective on this thread. I never would have thought I disliked Curt because he is on the Sox. Eye opening!
    Newsflash Beth we hate* the groundscrew of the Sox, the hot dog vendors and the guy that collects the garbage outside the stadium. I don’t think this is surprising to anyone. But that doesn’t explain why Curt is an asshole. Some things are inexplicable, like Curt’s inability to not mouth off about anything and everything. Trust me, if anyone cared or paid attention to what fans in cities other than Boston or New York you would hear plenty of other people agree they think Curt is a blow hard. After all it’s not like he is hiding this aspect of himself.
    * And when I say hate you guys have to understand we hate them in the sporting sense. Only a low life would wish ill on someone outside of the game. It’s hatred born purely in the heat of competition. Nothing more. And we associate everyone in, and pulling for, the Sox organization with this “hatred”. I can say I hate SF cause he is a Sox fan but I only hate the Sox fan in him, as a person I would never want to see anything bad happen to him. He never did anything to me. Same goes for the Sox players.
    But ON THE FIELD I would love to see Curt get the snot beat out of him. But then again the same goes for Trot, Jason, Brandon and the rest of the Idiots – I don’t play favorites in that respect.

    Hammy April 28, 2005, 12:12 pm
  • Hey zimmerrolls The more I read your post the more I realize you don’t have a clue. That record the Sox have is impresive as well. Please anyone that loses 2 of 3 from the D-Rays and is stupid enough to get into a beam ball war with a team that has nothing to lose shows just how smart they really are I guess there not called idiots for nothing. And as far as Schilling is concerned you can add liar to the list apparently the statement made from the opposing player was never said. Just wait till Miller and Jeremy Gonzalez get there that ERA is gonna look just great and just think you have Halama to WOW. That is impresive. SUCK IT UP BUTTER CUP. Can’t wait to see your great youngsters come up and dominate the AL East.

    Bob April 28, 2005, 12:14 pm
  • //Trust me, if anyone cared or paid attention to what fans in cities other than Boston or New York you would hear plenty of other people agree they think Curt is a blow hard. After all it’s not like he is hiding this aspect of himself.//
    and your point is…?
    #1. you’re not going to change my opinion of schilling any more than i’m going to change yours. it’s just plain old not going to happen. it doesn’t matter, either, how many “other people” “elsewhere” might, hypothetically, share your opinion. so let’s agree to disagree there.
    #2. you ever so sweetly implied mine was a trite statement, but you still appear not to get it. you hate curt because he plays for the red sox and he beat you. the end. it doesn’t make you superior in some way to point out you think a guy’s an ass. it’s not because you’re “classy” yankees fans and it is incumbent upon you to correct everyone else’s manners. it’s not because schilling truly *is* an ass. it’s simply because he’s a red sox and he beat you.
    just like i’d prob. love a-rod if he was on my team. i don’t have a leg to stand on, really, in any criticism of him as a human being. i don’t know him. frankly, i wouldn’t care to know him. i hate him because he’s on the yankees. that’s it.

    beth April 28, 2005, 12:20 pm
  • Nobody seems (except for a passing comment by YF) to be dealing with the substance of what Schilling said: is Lou an “idiot”. YF seems to think that the 116 win season seems to prove he’s not one, but remember that Bob Brenly won a World Series despite doing his best to manage a team like John Bolton manages his inferiors – abusively. Piniella, in my opinion, is one of the more overrated managers of the last 25 years, and that’s ignoring the fact that he does, on many occasions, act like a truely childish idiot, throwing tantrums (along with bases), bullying umpires, most definitely participating in beanball wars (though which manager doesn’t, Joe Torre, who I love, included), and generally behaving quite unbecoming of a man in upper level management. On the merits, it might be arguable that Schilling was not that wrong, whether you like the messenger or not.

    SF April 28, 2005, 1:08 pm
  • Beth not only can we agree to disagree I think we can agree that apparently neither one of us understand what the other is really saying. Because I know you are sure as hell missing the point and according to you I am missing yours. Just another example of a Yankee fan and Red Sox fan not exactly seeing eye to eye.
    And my implication was sweet wasn’t it? I put a little extra effort in there for you.

    Hammy April 28, 2005, 1:25 pm
  • Hammy April 28, 2005, 1:40 pm
  • From the end of the above article – “This soon-to-be best seller proves one thing – the only thing Curt Schilling doesn’t know is when to shut up.”
    Amen to that!

    Hammy April 28, 2005, 1:50 pm
  • Wow Bob. I have apparently struck a nerve here. I was only pointing out cold facts here. All you are pointing to is hopeful speculation. You hope Miller is bad, you hope Halama won’t do an adequate job, and you really hope the “youngsters” can’t do the job..but the reality is just that- it’s speculation. You don’t know what’s going to happen, and all you can do is hope. By the way, another great game for the Yanks tonight with Brown (just another fact for you to chew on). You’ll notice that I said nothing about Wang, and that’s because I don’t know- but I guess you are willing to look like the ass I’m sure you are by speculating the future of our “youngsters”. And just for the record, I’m pretty sure those lowly Devil Rays came happen to score the win over RJ two weeks ago, so losing to them is really not as hard as you think…or is it? Anyhow, I did not mean to hit a nerve with you, and I’m sorry fot that. I did not take into consideration your current situation as a fan. Please forgive me. But, in the future (if you want some advice) leave the fortune telling to the gypsies in the carnival, and just focus on the silver lining of being in last place…err, nevermind. Idiot.

    zimmerrolls April 28, 2005, 11:42 pm
  • Zimmerrolls just shows you have now idea once again. seems you are the one with all the hope. I live in Maine and attend most seadog games so I see all the so called talent you are talking about so I figure I do know a little about what I am talking about. And as far as an Idiot you prove your status as the #1 Idot on a daily basis. So keep on leaning on that so called great and may I state very overated farm system. Brown looked good how about the God er Dog Clement. And as far as the cellar the SAWX are right there. I am glad to see you have no problem with the way they are playing .And yes for the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, ETC you won how many times would you like everyone to tell you that. There is nothing worse than having someone remind you every other sentence that hey won for once especially when they don’t win very often IDIOT. Keep your nickname I don’t want it. I will stick with cocky or arrogant any thing is better than a nick name given to the card holding RSN. I bet you have one of those cards don’t Ya!! A safe assumption by reading your post. Enjoy you pitching staff and again can’t wai to see your young players come up and dominate the AL EAST. Go sea Dogs AHHHHHHH. Just to remind you OVERRATED PLAYERS.

    Bob April 29, 2005, 9:56 am
  • Bob, your ineloquence never fails to amaze. It is an astonishingly lamebrained tactic that you use, to attack the Red Sox’ “overrated” farm system as somehow indicative of Zimmerrolls’ idiocy. Never mind the fact the team you root for has an even worse system. Applying your own logic, where on the idiot scale does that put you?

    SF April 29, 2005, 11:58 am
  • Number one SF as I said before keep your own nick name I don’t want it. My point is to sit there and rely on your farm system is idiotic. You will not win that way I am tired of hearing about how great the sawx farm leauge system is. It is not it is overhyped by the sox front office. This tactic I know well it is used by the Yankees. you just prove that you are even more cluless then zimerrolls I have not once brought up the yanks farm system. The minorleaguers know that they are pretty much trade bait. I find all this talk about the redsox minorleauge system being so good histerical seeing how you have 1 player on the sox that is from your system. And the Yanks have 5 right now. So as far as laimbrained goes you are the cream of the crop. As I said before ask the Twins and Oakland how that is working out oh ya thats right THEO is part of the moneyball gang. Enjoy being competitive while it last because it won’t be long until the scarecrow takes the money and makes you just competitive enough to keep you happy. Now that the RSN has won a championship. There is a history that comes with this ownership. Make sure you keep your cards up to date. I can’t wait till Miller and your young players come up and dominate he AL east. Oh ya and you won last year. Go IDIOTS . Oh YA Jeremi Gonzalez to.

    Bob April 29, 2005, 2:53 pm
  • ineloquence, astonishingly, lamebrained ,indicative,
    WOW do you use such large words because you really have no point and try to distract from that fact. Keep that dictionary handy you are gonna need it.

    Bob April 29, 2005, 2:56 pm
  • Bob: My point was not that the Yankees have a crappy farm system, which is worse than the Sox’, but that you tie Zimmerrolls intelligence directly to the quality of the team that he roots for’s farm system. Here’s an SAT version of your logic:
    zimmerrolls intelligence:red sox farm system
    bob’s intelligence:yankees farm system
    Do you get my point now?

    SF April 29, 2005, 3:10 pm
  • Um, I happen to think both of them are numbingly boring (Bob and Zimmer..), but I will say this: Not only will I take Alvarez over Wang, but where New York’s Youkilis and Ramirez? That being said, I don’t really think it matters right now. Both teams have made some real mistakes, more so for the Yanks, but both nonetheless. At least the Sox have a younger guys 1-9..I’d feel really bad if the Sox pitching was in its current state and our hitting was like that of New Yorks. I’m sure both teams are going to come around in a few. Bob, you seem to be really upset over some comments,probably posted by a 13 year old kid, [very bad grammar] ,but SF is right by attacking your logic. Not only do you sink down to his level of aro/ignorance, but you do nothing to counteract his argument but instead support it. He’s right, Sox farmsystem is better, not the best, but def better…is there anyone out there who argues that? No there isn’t, but if you want to argue that, come back with facts. If both teams go after Zito at the break, it’s not even a question which team has more to offer for his hand. And, do I need to bring up a measly eight million dollar mistake NY made in letting go of a certain undefeated Philly ace in favor of Jared Wright? Please take note: Atlanta does not let go of good arms…when will the league learn this? Anyhow, come back with info for us if the Yanks are gonna be able to pull a big trade. Who’s gonna go, how’s it going to happen…fill us in will ‘ya. And as far as pitching stats are concerned…does anyone really see a difference btx Pav and Clement? Please review stats before knocking him. He throws harder, has a better slider, has a better catcher, great SO’s, and is more dependable than Pavano. Where do you see the advantage NY??? Anyhow BOB, just take some of those posts with a grain of salt. I do consider myself part of RSN, however, I’m def not as arrogant or stupid as you suggest they all are. I’m not attacking you, nor do I want to- but please back up your attacks. I also go to a ton of PawSox games ( I live in Stonington CT), so I know the facts as well, so I do know you are wrong. If your argument is that NY system is as good or better-you are wrong. If you think that NY has not done irreversible damage to their system over the past five years-you are really, really wrong. But, if you continue to attack SF or whomever it may be without any kind of real argument, most of us will just consider you to be the seat-mate of Zimmerrolls on the short bus to being ignored whenever you post.

    Brad-SF April 30, 2005, 1:52 am
  • Brad, I’d argue that Eric Duncan is on the same level as Youkilis. For Ramirez, I can’t think of a Yank prospect comparable, although I’ve heard good things about Melky Cabrera. That being said, the the farm system advantage goes to the Sox, but I think you might be overstating the current disparity a bit. The Sox’ new management is still developing what very recently was a pretty weak system. The Yanks of course are trending in the opposite direction, but of course, that trend is not “irreversible” as you put it. In fact, with the Yanks’ resources, improving the system in a very short time is still possible. Whether that happens is a big question, but I thought “irreversible” was a bit hyperbolic.
    About Pavano and Clement: Theo and co offered Pavano more money than the Yanks (if we are to believe Gammons). It seemed as if he was a bigger priority this off-season than Clement. I agree that Clement has better stuff and I wanted the Yanks to sign him before getting Pavano, but it is interesting that a team such as the Sox valued him higher than Clement. Watching Pavano pitch, you get the sense that he has a really good make-up, while watching Clement is like watching a spastic nervous teenager who succeeds in spite himself.

    Nick April 30, 2005, 2:21 pm
  • Well said Nick. I agree with the Clement being nervous thing…that being said, he has looked good so far. I also think having Tek on the other end does him a world of good. I would have to see Duncan play more to get a read on him, but Youk looked really good tonight in Texas.

    Brad-SF April 30, 2005, 11:23 pm
  • Brad I have been away for a few days but please I am not he one saying that our farm system is going to carry us. And please save your Clement VS Pavano there is non. clement is not Pavano nor will he be. Clement is a nut Job as Lowe was he cannot handle the pressure. If I have more time I will state you some facts with the Yanks farm System wich obviously you have no clue about. And I will give you facts about the Sox as well since I do wach the sea dogs and that seems to be where most of your so called top level talent is. And Sf before you chime in read the other post I am refering to.

    Bob May 3, 2005, 9:59 am
  • Oh by the way SF I have forgotten more baseball than you will ever know. So please go and watch fever pitch again

    Bob May 3, 2005, 10:01 am
  • Now Brad SF let me ask you this. How many Former Yankee prospects are out there right now? Granted this talent was traded away but still talent that was drafted signed and developed by the Yankees. Far more and better than any the sox have or have had. If I have to name them all for you BRAD I will. Again it is upsetting to see talent such as Willy MO Pena doing well else where but when he was traded Bernie was at the top of his game. I have no doubt the Yankees Farm sytem is back on the rise and you and everyone else will see this as well. There is plenty of talent at the lower level’s Some of this talent will pan out some will not. So please do not tell me who has the better system. The Sox prospects are still in the minors and the Yanks are up and playing all be it in other organzation’s. But hindsite is 20/20. And you cannot argue with the sucsess the Yanks have had.

    Bob May 3, 2005, 11:55 am
  • Whew. Okay, lets go over this. The red sox do not have to call up all thier minors right now as we have enough talent on the active roster to do well. Are you really telling me that the Yankee system is better than Boston? As far as talent in the system, I never said the Yankees did not have any, however I did say that Boston has better top talent. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Robinison Cano and Henn would be playing for the Yankees if they were not in complete panic mode right now? Why are you so intent on trying to keep this argument going? You are clearly the only person who thinks this. And, are you going to tell me that the Yanks system looks better because they are playing on other teams? That’s the most insane reasoning I have ever heard. If they were great players, they would be playing in New York right now. Robinson Cano has been on the trading block for two years now, and no other team thought he was worth it, so let’s not get carried away. I understand your argument however, it just doesnt make sense. Better top infield prospect- Youk. Better pitcher in Alvarez. Hanley Ramirez? Your argument is not only silly, but written with the heart rather than the brain. I am in no way disputing the Yankee success, but that success has come to an end. You currently have a rotation of Pav, Moose and Brown with two stellar prospects. Your outfield is shabby, and you have a first base problem of the biggest kind, and I don’t even want to talk about your catcher issues becuase Boston not only has a better starter, but the backup and the minor leaguer is just as good as Posada. I don’t say that because I’m a sox fan, I say it because it’s a fact. I know how bad it must be, because as a life long sox fan, I’ve been there. Your owner has taken what was a great team and driven it into the ground by being so greedy. The Yankees are currently paying 20mil to RJ to be average, 18 to Giambi to be non-existent, 20mil to Arod to get walked bc he has no protection , 15milion to Brown to, well be Brown, and 7mil to Wright to do nothing. All this with nobody to take the spots. I’ll tell you why the kid got called up to play second- because Crosby is terrible in every aspect. Oh, did I mention the bullpen. Granted Boston’s has not been great, nor am I claiming they are, but holy crap. You have huge contracts in there, and nobody wants anything to do with any of them. Today, Halama a proven starter pitched well, and Wade Miller (another proven pitcher in the bigs) is starting for Boston on Sunday. All the while today, Brown gave up a hundred hits and your rotation is a mess. As far as you forgetting more baseball than I ever knew-let’s not get carried away. You are obviously a very smart individual (easily told by your excellent command of the written language and use of grammar in your posts), but saying something like that is just stupid. I have never attacked you on this site, nor do I need to. All I am doing is stating to obvious; attacking your functionally illiterate writing skills or lack of reality in them is not my style. Please have a good day.

    Brad-SF May 4, 2005, 12:02 am
  • Yes BOB, the Clement v/s Pav argument is a valid one. If you are so inclined to peer into this years stats you will see that the numbers are very comperable. Oh yeah, Clement has yet to get so rattled as to walk the bases loaded in a tie game under pressure to blow it for his team. Again, just the stats.

    Brad-SF May 4, 2005, 12:05 am
  • No Brad he has just gotten ROCKED please keep trying to convince yourself he is that good it is just a dream.

    Bob May 4, 2005, 9:42 am
  • Brad first of all I do not sit at a computer and really care about the gramer you get my point I don’t have all day to worry about it. What does Crosby have to do with Cano. Cano was brouhgt in to play second no shit Crosby sucks but he can run a play DEF. First of all I have never said the Yanks Farm is better than anyonelses. I am tired of hearing how great the sox’s Sytem is I have yet to see teams lining up to get at your prospects my point was that the age of the talent in wich we traded away is the same age as the ones you have now. So that tells you right there just how great they are. Youk is good for one thing walking he can’t play D and at best is a average hitter. As far as Ramirez I will give you he is a good prospect but please he is not going to light it up my no means. Please spare me Mirrabelli is better than Posada show me the Carrer #’s please. I would like to see the ones that you have that I don’t. And Shopach again has proven nothing stop trying to campare someone that has had a great carrer with someone that has had a callup. Also I have seen him play PLEASE he is no Posada. Oh Ya could you please check my spelin and Grama I am not so smart you know

    Bob May 4, 2005, 9:56 am
  • You’re right Bob, I’m sorry. After watching the past four games, how could I ever suggest such a thing? Cano, Henn, and Wang all look super-duper. Also, who am I to question Posada? I’d love to have a guy who gives up nine stolen bases in one series against TB. Who am I to remind you that Youk came in last week and since has gone 5-10? Far be it for me to give a little giggle when the stellar second baseman that is Cano lets easily grounded balls get by him, and forgets to cover second when Posada throws there. All that being said, I’m sorry I ever questioned such great players. Maybe if the Yanks go 15-30 they will bring up a couple more great players. Or, this is a plan by Cashman to let teams get a good look at the players they did bring up, and then trade them away for the likes of Griffey, or some other Assisted Living Candidate. I hear Atlanta has a short-stop willing to play second base for 18mil per, and all he wants is an extension to take him into his fifties. Sounds like a Yankee deal waiting to happen. Again, sorry for the misunderstaning.

    Brad-SF May 5, 2005, 11:12 pm
  • I believe Clement is 3-0 with almost identical stats, well minus the defeat. Not only do I take Clement over Pav, but I also take Arroyo, Wakefield, and about fifteen other pitchers in the AL before he makes the list. In a game that Clement leaves with the lead of 8-4 is hardly getting rocked. I’ll agree he did not have great stuff against Baltimore, but maybe a four game series against TB will let him showcase…oh wait, Tampa is really making starters look terrible lately. But I’ll keep my dream just the same.

    Brad-SF May 5, 2005, 11:20 pm
  • Alright. That’s enough. End of thread. Additional posts here will be removed. Time to move on.

    YF May 18, 2006, 11:20 pm
  • Why is nobody talking about the brewers and how great they are?

    bruce May 19, 2006, 5:12 pm
  • Awesome, the Brewers! How about the Devil Rays.

    Jeremy Grubba May 19, 2006, 8:54 pm
  • YF, you fag.

    Angus Scrimm May 19, 2006, 8:55 pm
  • Hey grubba! Fuck the pussy devil rays! They’re nothing compared to the almighty Brew Crew! By the way…I’m not proud of you!

    Robert Thostensen May 21, 2006, 4:25 am
  • Fuck the yankees and fuck the red sox. Everybody should bow to me and feed from my fat tits! That means YOU YF!

    Margie May 22, 2006, 9:21 pm

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