Two days, two bench-clearing incidents. This time the instigator is the normally calm and reasonable Julian Tavarez. The Sox seem quite likeable this year, don’t they?
by Nick-YF on March 27, 2006 at 5:28 pm in
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They sure do. And psychopathic, too!
Now I know what it’s like to root for Sheff…
SF March 27, 2006 at 5:57 pm
Hey there! Sheff punches fans, not fellow players while they’re sliding into home. There’s something so anti-union about that.
NickYF March 27, 2006 at 6:05 pm
Idiots to Bad asses. That should make for an interesting season.
I believe Tavarez does have a bit of a reputation for being, shall we say, a little edgy.
Along these lines, how’s Big Schill’s “I’m going to pitch inside this year” experiment going?
Haven’t heard much about it since he conked two guys in the head and then blamed Chris Duffy of the Pirates for not getting out of the way.
the new and improved whatever March 27, 2006 at 6:26 pm
What can explain this ugly incident?
According to various accounts, Tavares may have been spiked during the slide; he may have accidentally stepped on Gathright’s leg; Gathright may have grabbed Tavarez’s leg; and, without question, Tavarez slugged Gathright once (hard) and tried to get him a with a second punch, too.
On the one hand I can understand that Tavarez might conceivably (a) have gotten spiked, (b) didn’t realize he’d stepped on Gathright, and (c) thought Gathright was grabbing his leg with hostile intent, not to get him from stop stepping on him.
But even though I’m a Sox fan, it seems to me Tavarez is still in the wrong, even if all of the above were true. He deserves punishment.
Bottom line: We can look forward to another season of ugly scenes between the D-Rays and Sox that put players at risk of needless injury. We can also expect Tavarez to lose it a bunch more times this year, given his history of tantrums.
I was already concerned about him giving up clutch gopher balls in the playoffs. This demonstrates that he’s a bit of a head case. It’s only spring training, dude, and there’s no excuse even if it were regular season.
Hudson March 27, 2006 at 6:31 pm
I thought the Sox might need more sock at the plate this year, I just didn’t think it would come this way.
All I know about this incident are the two photos at DirtDogs, where it looks like he hit somebody doing nothing more than sliding home. Whassup wit Julian?
john March 27, 2006 at 6:31 pm
tavares *is* a nutcase. this we have known from the beginning.
i don’t even know what to make of beckett. his sole redemption, to me, is the fact that he’s since acknowledged he acted like an asshole and should’ve just let it go.
beth March 27, 2006 at 6:38 pm
I haven’t seen video, but those photos look like he’s punching vertically, in a closed-fist slapping motion, (a-rod?). That’s just silly. If you’re going to form a fist and be an idiot (lower-case I), at least use it correctly, don’t throw it weird like that. Maybe a result of breaking his hand in the dugout during his Kevin Brown imitation? “Doc says I can’t punch head-on.”
And yes, this is more needless, stupid, petty, and pointless sox-rays violence. You could more easily understand the Yanks beating up on them because the rays dominate them so much, but the Sox don’t fare too badly . . .
Tavarez is the only new bullpen acquisition without a ridiculous ERA this spring, I hope he can, oh, not go crazy anymore. Otherwise, bring in Hansen.
rk March 27, 2006 at 7:05 pm
Wow! On a topic that has nothing to do with the Yankees, rk manages to take shots at a current Yankee (ARod), a former Yankee (Kevin Brown), the whole Yankee team (the Devil Rays reference), and then put his immense knowledge of boxing on display. Very impressive.
the new and improved whatever March 27, 2006 at 7:39 pm
Actually, this crazy little history with the D-Rays goes back a few years, and I’m pretty sick of it. All it does is get Sox players suspended and fined pretty heavily by Selig.
That being said, I’m not so sure that this kind of scrappy team isn’t just what made this rival with the Yankees all that it is. The good days of Munson and Rice and the likes.
This season should be a busy one for Tek, who’s job it will be to keep the cool between the box and the mound. But, we all know he’s pretty good at it.
Brad March 27, 2006 at 8:03 pm
Once again, it looks like the Sox will be at the top of the league in hit batters. Over the past couple of years, a legitimate desire to own the inner half has often given way to that less salubrious and justifiable action of simply throwing at an opponent. Rough play with 97-pound-Joey Gathright is one thing. Throwing down with Ryan Howard….that’s looking for serious trouble.
YF March 27, 2006 at 11:21 pm
Well, what’s the name of this blog? I actually thought I was being fair in a post that derided the sox for being stupid and violent (incompetently so). The digs at the yanks are just easy. And, yes, appropriate, look again at the name at the top of this page.
And yes, YF, it distresses me that Beckett and Schilling seem to be trying to pick up the HBP slack made by Arroyo being traded. That aspect of the game is good for no one, it makes it harder to root for teams.
the same old rk March 28, 2006 at 12:28 am
Hold on a second. Let’s clear something up. Schilling beaned guys. Beckett didn’t. And neither did Tavarez. Beckett screamed at a guy (and later took the blame entirely for the incident). Tavarez PUNCHED a guy. What Beckett did was stupid, what Tavarez did was beyond stupid. But what do the last two have to do with throwing inside? Nothing. Get it straight, YF!
SF March 28, 2006 at 6:05 am
I’d say Tavares has a Napoleon complex, but I’m sure he has no idea Napoleon ever existed.
The D-Rays don’t have anything to play for but their pride and it’s not good to rile up a team that has nothing to lose. Hopefully we can get G. Williams out of retirement to come running out of the locker room WWE-style. Preferably w/folding chair.
Nate March 28, 2006 at 11:29 am
hey, Nate, I forgot to thank you for the heads-up on the Yanks opening series. Walein and I and our girlfriends will be enjoying next Wednesday’s game at the Coliseum. Can’t wait.
NickYF March 28, 2006 at 1:25 pm
Imagine this……Arod is sliding into home plate & Tavazez steps on his arm (with his cleet) & then punches him twice in the face.
Tavazez is nuts, but the Arod visual is awesome! I hope he throws at the Yankee’s heads (just like Petey). Put more Yankee’s on the DL, but let them earn it. Bunch of Arod pussy’s.
lee March 28, 2006 at 2:14 pm
lee, you sure you want to play the DL game w/the Yanks? I’m sure the loss of Papi or Manny would hurt the Sox more than the loss of A-Rod would hurt the Yanks. Besides, who brings a knife to a gun fight (Schilling)?
NYF, good to hear you got in. With OAK shutting down the top deck seats will surprisingly be limited this season. This is also the first time in a while that the Yanks only make one trip to the Yay. I’m still contemplating attending the Tue/Wed games.
Nate March 28, 2006 at 4:11 pm
Tavarez is an idiot. Bring on Hansen.
Beckett? He acted like an idiot. It happens.
Craig March 29, 2006 at 6:20 am
Apparently, Gathright is a black belt in Tae Kwon Do and could have gotten seriously medieval on Tavarez’s ass if it hadn’t turned into such a free-for-all so quickly. That would have been something. Tavarez throws a lame slappy cross, and Gathright delivers a Matrix-style flying roundhouse kick to JT’s coconut knocking him out cold. Sox players, take note for future BOS v. TB melees.
Spidey March 29, 2006 at 4:50 pm
Interesting comments from Trot and other Red Sox on base brawl games and Julian the hooligan. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=2387886
the new and improved whatever March 29, 2006 at 9:57 pm
uh SF, why didn’t the site pick up that link?
the new and improved whatever March 29, 2006 at 10:04 pm
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