Deadline Dealing: You Make The Call!

As the trade deadline approaches, it seems as if both the Yankees and the Red Sox will look to add some talent to their already talented rosters.  The Yankees need starting pitching.  The Sox need help in the Pen.  While there are certainly other areas both teams could improve on, it is those two holes that seem to need immidiate help.  With Sabathia now a Brewer, the biggest names left for the Yankees are Harden and Burnett.  We all know Beane will ask for a king’s ransom for Harden.  As for Burnett, it’s almost a given that they will not move him to a division rival.  So what’s next?  You be the GM and chime in on the moves you think both our teams should make.  (Note: Let’s be reasonable.  The Yankees are not going to trade Wilson Betemit and Edwar Ramirez for Roy Oswalt.)      

104 comments… add one
  • Manny Ramirez and Sean Casey to the Mets for Carlos Beltran.
    NY’ers can’t stand the guy, Manny would clearly love the move to NY, and it solves the Mets first base problem.

    Brad July 8, 2008, 11:46 am
  • And also gives Boston one of the sickest defensive OF of all time.

    Brad July 8, 2008, 11:47 am
  • Prob have to pick up some of the options for Manny though, which is fine. Split the cost with them.

    Brad July 8, 2008, 11:48 am
  • If there ever was a GM that would agree to that deal it’s Omar. We know how much he loves Manny and we also know how much he loves OLD players.

    John - YF July 8, 2008, 11:50 am
  • If I am the Sox, with Masterson soon joining the bullpen, I look to move Hansen for a resin bag, then think about slotting Michael Bowden into the pen at some point when he looks like he might be approaching an innings limit as a starter in Portland. Bowden walks nobody, he could be a late-season relief salve. I am intrigued by Dan Bard, but he has bouts of wildness and still seems raw, though improving. I think they’d be reluctant to accelerate his development so suddenly, they can’t just stock the pen with so many young arms and expect everyone to stand up to the pressure of a playoff hunt, especially a four or five team wild card race which might involve more pressure than trying to win the division.
    So I don’t see any big moves, unless they can get a catcher for a reasonable price, which is unrealistic to expect. I imagine Texas would be asking for the world for Salty, same with Seattle and Clement; these guys simply are too valuable to get for a song. But that’s the dream: a young catcher to the Sox for reasonable return value, if even a slight overpay. I just don’t see it happening since it is a seller’s market.

    SF July 8, 2008, 12:00 pm
  • Why would texas move Salty at all?

    Sam-YF July 8, 2008, 12:02 pm
  • I agree John, but I’m not against putting a good prospect in that deal, and throwing in Bartolo for them as well.

    Brad July 8, 2008, 12:04 pm
  • A young catcher that you might want to target is Iannetta. I am fairly certain they have Torrealba locked up for a few more years. Catchers develop late, this kid seems to be very good and ready to contribute full time.

    John - YF July 8, 2008, 12:05 pm
  • Even better Brad. Minaya loves Colon more than he loves Manny! You are making Omar drool somewhere.

    John - YF July 8, 2008, 12:06 pm
  • John, based on playing time, I think the Rox are very high on Iannetta.

    Nick-YF July 8, 2008, 12:08 pm
  • Oh I agree Nick, but if we are looking for possibilities (even slight ones) he may be one. McCann, Mauer, Clement, Salty…off limits. Next tier guys would have to include Iannetta. I don’t think they would move him, but you never know.

    John - YF July 8, 2008, 12:11 pm
  • Take advantage of stupidity. GM’s have been doing it to NY for years. ha.
    I just joking, but I really think that Omar goes for that deal, if for nothing else than to get Manny into town and be able to sit Delgado. Plus, he picks up Bartolo who is better than 3/5 of his current rotation.

    Brad July 8, 2008, 12:12 pm
  • I think that even Omar doesnt go for that deal. I dont see it. It feels like wishful thinking to me. Especially since Manny is likely gonna be a FA this offseason…

    Sam-YF July 8, 2008, 12:22 pm
  • Sorry, that should read: I dont that even Omar goes for that deal.

    Sam-YF July 8, 2008, 12:23 pm
  • I like the Beltran idea, but here’s another one: Jacoby Ellsbury for Matt Holliday. Move Pedroia to lead-off, and slide Drew or Youk into the #2 spot.
    We need bullpen help specifically though, so I doubt we’ll see Beltran or Holliday come our way. More likely the Yankees get Holliday for Melky and IPK.

    Atheose July 8, 2008, 12:24 pm
  • I don’t get the over-the-top disparagement of Omar. He’s not an especially strong GM, but he’s also not incompetent. His worst deal, based on what the critics said at the time, was the Milledge for Church deal, and the jury is still out on that. But he’s acquitted himself in other deals–Maine and Perez–were strong deals, for instance. In fact, in those deals he was quite clever. Even the Santana trade demonstrated that he can be a shrewd reader of situations.

    Nick-YF July 8, 2008, 12:27 pm
  • Holy shit, how does Grady Sizemore have 22 homeruns so far this season? He’s on pace to hit more than 40!

    Atheose July 8, 2008, 12:28 pm
  • I think it’s more his overall love for overvalued, aging players Nick.

    Atheose July 8, 2008, 12:29 pm
  • Why would texas move Salty at all?
    I am not saying they would, I am saying (perhaps not clearly enough) that guys like Salty and Clement are (mostly) off the market (nobody, in my opinion, is ever really 100% off the market, at least not with smart GMs they aren’t), so therefore it will take a fortune to get them.

    SF July 8, 2008, 12:35 pm
  • It feels like wishful thinking to me.
    “wishful thinking” should be the title of this post!!

    SF July 8, 2008, 12:36 pm
  • As for Burnett, it’s almost a given that they will not move him to a division rival.
    Clemens for Wells ring a bell? I could see Toronto moving Burnett for Hughes and some prospects.

    Atheose July 8, 2008, 12:39 pm
  • I wonder how Cashman approaches this deadline without knowing if he is back next year. He’s a complete professional, it seems, but I wonder how that kind of job insecurity plays into any moves, even subconsciously. Let’s say that Cashman has a middling offer from Seattle or Philadelphia, two rumored landing spots for him if he leaves the Yankees. Does his lack of knowledge about 2009 have any impact, even subliminally? I don’t write this as a knock on Cashman, but rather about the situation in general where a GM has to make a call even though he may realize he will not be heading the club the following season or may be dealing with a club that may eventually be paying his bills.
    I imagine that it doesn’t impact Cashman, at least not overtly. He’s probably focused on winning and doing it smartly. I wonder if there are any subconscious effects, though, that tilt a potential deal to a dead deal or vice versa, for guys in this exact situation.

    SF July 8, 2008, 12:48 pm
  • Really, now you’re worried about Cashman’s job security and how it affects him? Thank god somebody’s thinking about that!
    Me, I’m worried about Masterson’s arm in transitioning him to the bullpen.
    Care to trade theories?
    “Jacoby Ellsbury for Matt Holliday”
    Yeah, that’s realistic.

    A YF July 8, 2008, 1:18 pm
  • “Yankees get Holliday for Melky and IPK”
    Sign me up! But in what universe?

    A YF July 8, 2008, 1:19 pm
  • Omar’s best attribute is that he’s not Steve “You Traded Kazmir and got WHAT?” Phillips.

    Masterson and maybe another prospect to Colorado for Fuentes. That’s it.

    I'mBillMcNeal July 8, 2008, 1:25 pm
  • IBM:
    Jeff Wilpon Jim Duquette was the Mets’ GM when Kazmir was moved, not Phillips.

    SF July 8, 2008, 1:26 pm
  • So many people think Steve Phillips traded Kazmir, that let’s just make it a fact. It helps your alma mater’s reputation, SF!

    Nick-YF July 8, 2008, 1:29 pm
  • Wandy Rodriguez might be available from Houston, and Bedard has been thrown around in trade talks for the last month. Aside from that there’s really not much pitching on the table for the Yankees to go after.

    Atheose July 8, 2008, 1:29 pm
  • You’re right. Duquette’s stay was so short I always forget about him. Phillips signed Mo Vaughan.

    I'mBillMcNeal July 8, 2008, 1:30 pm
  • I’d stay away from Bedard based on what Bavasi said about him on his way out. Sounds like an injury waiting to happen.

    Nick-YF July 8, 2008, 1:30 pm
  • Bedard is a head case. What’s the line, a million dollar arm and a ten-cent head?
    No thanks.

    I'mBillMcNeal July 8, 2008, 1:31 pm
  • “I don’t get the over-the-top disparagement of Omar.”
    First off, I think I can speak for both Brad and myself when I say we are somewhat kidding.
    Secondly, you are right. Omar has done a great job trading for players. He has obtained some pretty impressive talent during his time as Mets GM. The problem with Omar is his FA signings. That is the area where he has been Krivsky-like. (Ironically he now works for the Mets) The Mets are old and filled with injury prone players (Delgado, Castillo, Alou, El Duque, Pedro, etc…) In addition to that their farm system is in a terrible state. So maybe Omar gets a B/B+ for his trades, but for FA’s and overall state of the club he gets a D/C-.

    John - YF July 8, 2008, 1:32 pm
  • Bevasi pretty much trashed Bedard.

    I'mBillMcNeal July 8, 2008, 1:32 pm
  • It helps your alma mater’s reputation, SF!
    Well, there’s always the issue of a certain NYC MLB team owner that screws things up big time, I don’t think a misattribution of a bad trade to Steve Phillips does much in the face of something like that.

    SF July 8, 2008, 1:34 pm
  • I didn’t think you were bing overly serious about Omar, but you were making the kind of jokes usually reserved for Bowden or Isiah.:)
    Bedard comes across as a very selfish jerky player this season, if we’re to believe what Bavasi said about him.

    Nick-YF July 8, 2008, 1:34 pm
  • “That’s it.”
    Not Gagne again?
    2008
    David Murphy = .269 .307 .458 – 103 OPS+
    Jac Ellsbury = .268 .341 .375 – 89 OPS+
    KGabbard = 85 ERA+, 56 IP
    Buchholz = 78 ERA+, 42 IP
    But by all means, keep trading young talent for crappy bullpen arms!

    A YF July 8, 2008, 1:35 pm
  • Omar overpaid for Pedro, but he was worth the risk in many ways. Even though he’s been injury prone, Pedro gave the Mets some instant credibility and butts in the seats.
    (But it wasn’t five years was it, Pedro.)

    I'mBillMcNeal July 8, 2008, 1:35 pm
  • Delgado was traded with some cash to the Mets, John, he wasn’t signed as a FA.

    SF July 8, 2008, 1:36 pm
  • A YF said:”Me, I’m worried about Masterson’s arm in transitioning him to the bullpen”
    why are you worried, and based on what? He was a closer in the cape cod league, and was a reliever in single A Lowell. He didn’t transition professionally to a starter until pawtucket. He said himself he has a “rubber arm” and can get ready in a hurry. As a right handed specialist (batting .171 against) it isn’t a bad move.

    dw (sf) July 8, 2008, 1:37 pm
  • Brad, the more I think about Manny/Casey for Beltran, the more I like it.

    I'mBillMcNeal July 8, 2008, 1:38 pm
  • “Delgado was traded with some cash to the Mets, John, he wasn’t signed as a FA”
    I know and El Duque wasn’t FA either…I was just lumping the injury prone guys together. Sorry for the confusion.
    I believe it was Mike Jacobs in that trade.

    John - YF July 8, 2008, 1:39 pm
  • Why would the Mets make that trade? What happens to their centerfield situation this year and beyond? What about their outfield defense?

    Nick-YF July 8, 2008, 1:40 pm
  • A, do you really need to bring down every topic or turn every conversation into a fight? We get it, you have very strong opinions, that’s fine. You don’t have to be so combative on EVERY comment you make. Sure at the heart of this site is a rivalry, but come on man you are making it unbearable to remain an adult.

    John - YF July 8, 2008, 1:43 pm
  • The Mets make that deal because Omar loves Manny. Love at first offer, baby. Deal first, ask questions later.
    (Seriously, though, Nick, I said I like it for me. I didn’t say it was realistic.)

    I'mBillMcNeal July 8, 2008, 1:43 pm
  • “He didn’t transition professionally to a starter until pawtucket.”
    Really? What about the 17 starts in Lancaster last year? And then the 10 starts in Portland last year or the 8 starts in Portland this year?
    The fact is he hasn’t been a reliever in two years. And even then the Lowell stint was 32 innings – right after being a starter his last year in college. His last 255 innings have been as a starter.
    Meanwhile, DW, I’m just trying to get SF to comment before he loses all credibility – you know given all the BS he spewed about Joba’s transition.

    A YF July 8, 2008, 1:44 pm
  • Does the last Met prospect play CF? I know he is an OF’r but not sure where he plays Nick.
    Does anyone remember the trade a few years back that was going to send Manny to the Mets for Lastings Milledge, Heilman and an arm? If it was a legit rumor Omar must have nightmares of not getting that one done. But who knows how close they really were or how true it was.

    John - YF July 8, 2008, 1:45 pm
  • Most of us have adopted the “If you ignore the toddler it will stop crying” strategy.

    Atheose July 8, 2008, 1:45 pm
  • “You don’t have to be so combative on EVERY comment you make.”
    You co-moderator brought this out in me. Then he acts as if he has the moral high ground. Meanwhile, none of you guys have ever called him out on it but are more than happy to do so to me.
    “Why would the Mets make that trade? What happens to their centerfield situation this year and beyond? What about their outfield defense?”
    Exactly.

    A YF July 8, 2008, 1:46 pm
  • Here you go, Nick: Covelli and Manny for Beltran. (No, Omar doesn’t go for that, either.)

    I'mBillMcNeal July 8, 2008, 1:47 pm
  • Bedard is missing his next start with a shoulder problem, he’s had back and hip issues this year as well. and typically only goes 90-100 pitches. then he’s done. Not a good spot to try to improve.
    Jeff Clement – good hitter – but projected as a DH type.

    dw (sf) July 8, 2008, 1:48 pm
  • Toddler=pale friendless virgin

    I'mBillMcNeal July 8, 2008, 1:48 pm
  • A, I am not ganging up on you but this wasn’t the first time and there always seems to be a reason. Just be civil. You don’t have to start or add to a flame war because someone else baits you. Remember when you were a kid and your Mom or Dad would say would you jump off a bridge because everyone else is doing it? You are clearly a bright man, like I have said before. Just stop being so combative, that’s all.

    John - YF July 8, 2008, 1:48 pm
  • Man? Doubtful.

    I'mBillMcNeal July 8, 2008, 1:49 pm
  • Might I also add that you guys have slapped Bill for name-calling, told him it was the last time, and now passively warrant all forms of it directed at me.
    Really, I don’t have a problem with it. But at least be consistent. When’s the last time I called someone a nasty name? I could very easily, you know. Do you really want that added to the mix?

    A YF July 8, 2008, 1:49 pm
  • Lost cause John. Lost cause.
    The Mets are only 2.5 games back now, I could see Minaya making a big trade like this. Like several people have said, he’s always had a hard-on for Manny.

    Atheose July 8, 2008, 1:52 pm
  • Of course, it’s hard to ban people for name-calling when one of your co-mods does it. Perhaps I should start.
    Bill, would you like to take the title of “Village Idiot”? I’m sure Rueben Sierra is finished with it by now.

    A YF July 8, 2008, 1:58 pm
  • Ignore the toddler, Bill. If you react every time he wakes up crying in the night he’ll get used to it and do it for attention!
    It may be tough at first, but it’s for his own good. When he’s a responsible adult he’ll thank us!

    Atheose July 8, 2008, 2:00 pm
  • With Damon/Matsui injured, and with Abreu unlikely to be resigned at the end of the year, I think Holliday is becoming an increasingly likely solution. What do you guys think it’ll take to get him from the Rockies, who have been shopping him around for the last month?

    Atheose July 8, 2008, 2:03 pm
  • A) Nobody takes Hughes for anything, since the guy can’t stay healthy for more than a month at a time, and for whatever reason, heals very, very slowly, and has yet to show that he can throw strikes at this level.
    B) I was kidding about Omar, but not about the trade. I firmly believe that Beltran is readily available for Manny and players, but the Sox would have to pick up the options and pay part of them, which they could do since Beltran only makes about ten/year.
    C) What do a group of guys have to do to get you to stop acting the way you do, A?
    A Buchholz v. Kason Gabbard Comparison? Feckin really? Are you retarded or something? I mean, at least then I could understand some of your actions.

    Brad July 8, 2008, 2:06 pm
  • A) Nobody takes Hughes for anything, since the guy can’t stay healthy for more than a month at a time, and for whatever reason, heals very, very slowly, and has yet to show that he can throw strikes at this level.
    B) I was kidding about Omar, but not about the trade. I firmly believe that Beltran is readily available for Manny and players, but the Sox would have to pick up the options and pay part of them, which they could do since Beltran only makes about ten/year.
    C) What do a group of guys have to do to get you to stop acting the way you do, A?
    A Buchholz v. Kason Gabbard Comparison? Feckin really?

    Brad July 8, 2008, 2:07 pm
  • Oh, and they still won the WS after that move. Just a friendly reminder of how stupid you sound making fun of trades of teams that stand in the winners circle.

    Brad July 8, 2008, 2:08 pm
  • Sorry for the double post, but I thought better of calling names, tried to stop it, and was too late.
    I’m done interacting now.

    Brad July 8, 2008, 2:09 pm
  • Atheose – do you want to be the “Fat Pussy Toad”? I’m sure the original is done with that too.
    And I thought you’ve already laid out your Holliday trades? What Ellsbury for him isn’t enough!? The Yankees can’t get him for Melky and IPK!? What are you doing to me?

    A YF July 8, 2008, 2:09 pm
  • Did someone just compare Bucky and Ellsbury to Murphy and Gabbard?
    ROFLMFAO!
    AYF, there’s way in Typepad hell you want to be taken seriously with opinions such as that.
    And the Yanks wanted Gagne just as badly as the Sox did, but the Sox had prospects to give so they wound up with him. Unfortunately.
    Murphy = interesting
    Gabbard = forget about it
    Beltre = Still young. Still a project. Still impatient. Still can’t hit lefties.

    Dirty Water July 8, 2008, 2:09 pm
  • How would Holliday’s numbers translate out of Coors though – his home/away splits aren’t great

    dw (sf) July 8, 2008, 2:10 pm
  • Here you go, John. Exhibit A.

    A YF July 8, 2008, 2:11 pm
  • John. That issues we spoke of is one hudred percent impossible, man. He is absolutely not that person.

    Brad July 8, 2008, 2:11 pm
  • I wasn’t the one saying to trade Masterson (+ 1) for Fuentes.

    A YF July 8, 2008, 2:12 pm
  • DW, Holliday has OPS+’ed 137, 150, and 155 in the last 3 years (which is park adjusted). Meanwhile Manny has OPS’ed 152, 153, 165, 126, and 128 in the last five seasons.

    Atheose July 8, 2008, 2:15 pm
  • You don’t buy offense from Colorado.
    You don’t buy pitching from Oakland.
    Period.

    Anonymous July 8, 2008, 2:17 pm
  • Anon, OPS+ is park adjusted.

    Atheose July 8, 2008, 2:17 pm
  • But OPS+ is not park-influenced-confidence adjusted.
    Dirty Water

    Anonymous July 8, 2008, 2:19 pm

  • Dirty Water, are you saying Holliday won’t be “confident” anywhere else and will suck because of that?

    Atheose July 8, 2008, 2:23 pm
  • Yanks should go and get Raul Ibanez from Seattle. Good hitter, good fielder. Seattle is looking to dump players salaries for decent prospects

    giambi's 'stashe July 8, 2008, 2:23 pm
  • Ibanez will be 37 next year and has declined over the last three years. Signing him is a step backwards for the New Yankees.

    Atheose July 8, 2008, 2:25 pm
  • If you want to read highly insightful, fact based player analysis as it has to do with the Seattle Mariners – check out http://www.ussmariner.com. Raul = not a fit for anyone.
    I’m a big fan of Holliday, and think he would be an excellent fit for Fenway, but not so much for Yankee stadium (so go for it!).

    dw (sf) July 8, 2008, 2:31 pm
  • No, just that I assume a player builds confidence playing in a favorable park and OPS+ does not account for that.
    I have no idea how Holliday would do playing full time for another team, but I would prefer the Sox not find out.
    Dirty Water

    Anonymous July 8, 2008, 2:32 pm
  • Holliday’s OPS is .904 on the road this season. His numbers at Fenway (and at Coors, below that):
    .385 BA, .429 OBP, .769 SLUG
    .364 BA, .427 OBP, .659 SLUG
    Sure it’s only 14 plate appearances, but still. He’s not as bad on the road as people suggest.

    Atheose July 8, 2008, 2:39 pm
  • Sorry, to clarify above: those are his career numbers at Fenway and at Coors. In any case I think he’d be great hitting doubles off the Monster.

    Atheose July 8, 2008, 2:43 pm
  • Re: A YF
    I dont understand why SFs here who dont like him think its any better or different than what he does when they call him names and throw insults his way. If you dont like him, ignore him. If you dont like his arguements, counter them in a logical fashion. Cursing and insulting is worse than making an impassioned argument.

    Sam-YF July 8, 2008, 2:44 pm
  • > He’s not as bad on the road as people suggest.

    G   PA   AB   R   H  2B 3B HR RBI BB  SO  GDP  BA  OBP  SLG  BAbip
    Home 327 1376 1230 257 448 96 16 78 285 113 209  36 .364 .427 .659 .390
    Away 305 1302 1177 165 327 75  7 39 161 102 245  35 .278 .341 .453 .320
    

    Pass.

    attackgerbil July 8, 2008, 2:44 pm
  • Holliday road stats:
    2004: .654 OPS
    2005: .729 OPS
    2006: .819 OPS
    2007: .860 OPS
    2008: .904 OPS
    His numbers are weighed down by his first two horrible years, but after 2005 his road numbers have increased dramatically.

    Atheose July 8, 2008, 2:52 pm
  • > his road numbers have increased dramatically.
    Fair point.

    attackgerbil July 8, 2008, 2:55 pm
  • Cursing and insulting is worse than making an impassioned argument
    Baiting, making sweeping accusatory statements, baiting some more and then playing the victim when someone (either a YF or a SF moderator) tells him to cut it out is not the same as making an impassioned argument.

    Atheose July 8, 2008, 2:57 pm
  • Thanks AG, I feel like Holliday has been treated pretty unfairly by the media/baseball community for his road production despite doing very well on the road in his most recent years. I guess it’s one of those brandings that’s tough to shake once it’s stamped on your forehead.

    Atheose July 8, 2008, 3:00 pm
  • Gerb:
    What is the BABIP for Coors in general? Holliday’s BABIP at home is insane.

    SF July 8, 2008, 3:03 pm
  • Buster Olney and a couple other sources have reported that the Yanks are fine with not making any mid-season moves this year, and have basically come to terms with the idea that they might miss the playoffs. I don’t think they go out there and do anything big – they’re certainly not going to give up any of their big chips. If some team is fool enough to give them great value for package akin to Melky & IPK, I’m sure they’d jump at it, but it’s v. unlikely.
    Re: Omar Minaya. As someone mentioned upthread, his greatest attribute is that he’s not as bad as Steve Phillips. But it is damn close. He’s really a terrible GM. The best pieces of this Mets team are the ones he did not bring in – Reyes, Wright, et al. I would laugh and laugh, but not be at all surprised, if he did some stoopid deal to get Manny. If I was Theo E., I’d be working him over right now.

    Mark (YF) July 8, 2008, 3:03 pm
  • “Ignoring the toddler,” to use Atheose’s apt imagery, is the wisest choice for all concerned, reardless of fan affiliation. I would highly recommend Bill and Brad follow the course set by all the co-moderators, as well as most of the rest of the regulars.
    Thanks.

    Paul SF July 8, 2008, 3:03 pm
  • I remain very sad that Bill Bavasi is no longer available to fleece. I was counting on him to help the Sox come deadline time…

    Paul SF July 8, 2008, 3:05 pm
  • Sam –
    I’d be happy to discuss this situation with you off-line if you want and flesh it out, it’s a long, arduous story and one which the entirety of the site moderators have unanimous feelings about. If you are interested, please email us at the site address, it might help you understand what has gone on here in the past and what is going on now.

    SF July 8, 2008, 3:05 pm
  • Quoth dw sf: “I’m a big fan of Holliday, and think he would be an excellent fit for Fenway, but not so much for Yankee stadium (so go for it!).”
    Well, Yankee Stadium only has 35 games left – so I wouldn’t let those particular ballpark quirks influence any potential deal.

    Mark (YF) July 8, 2008, 3:06 pm
  • guess it’s one of those brandings that’s tough to shake once it’s stamped on your forehead.
    Just ask the other guy on his team who has dealt with the same thing for the entire length of a very good playing career.
    I too love the Holliday, but I think we’d have to give up more than we would have for Santana, and I’m not so sure you start dealing the Lesters and Buchholz of the world for hitters. Someone has already tried that and it’s a failed template. One of them maybe, in combo with lesser known qualities, but no way do I give up two of them unless the other is named Ellsbury.
    I do give up Masterson and Ellsbury for him, but not Ellsbury and Buchholz. It has to be Buchholz and a bunch of guys I have never heard of, and that won’t happen.

    Brad July 8, 2008, 3:19 pm
  • the only thing theo and co. should be thinking about is bullpen help. and personally, i feel the answer is internal. masterson and bowden could very easily fill that roll. clay was effective at the end of last year due to the leagues lack of familiarity with him. the same could be had with justin, michael, and possibly bard. there’s a reason the sox have the #1 or 2 farm system in baseball and it has nothing to do with free agent signings.

    sf rod July 8, 2008, 3:20 pm
  • I disagree, Rod. I think they have to figure out a way to not pick up Manny’s options at the end of this year.
    They have to start thinking about what is going to happen in that four hole next year, and who can help in the three hole this year if Ortiz can’t come back.
    I agree that the bullpen issues are fixable from within, which is why I say move for the hitter.

    Brad July 8, 2008, 3:26 pm
  • I’m with Rod. Ortiz will be better than any bat the Sox could acquire at the deadline, plus he’ll cost less, in that his contract is a steal and the Sox won’t spend anything to have him batting for them come August.
    With Masterson — who was always considered as a bullpen arm by those who analyzed the Sox’ farm system — serving as the younger, more talented actually effective Julian Tavarez, that could enormously help the pen. Adding Bowden also could be a boon, and if Buchholz still struggles, then plugging Bowden in for some spot starts isn’t a bad idea either. The Sox have tons of pitching depth. The wise thing to do now is use it.

    Paul SF July 8, 2008, 3:27 pm
  • Mark (YF) – I thought the “new” Yankee stadium had the same dimensions as the old? Of course, height, and park orientation can change wind currents, but in theory shouldn’t they play the same?

    dw (sf) July 8, 2008, 3:29 pm
  • Paul – I’m sure you know all about toddlers right about now. Congrats!
    Hopefully you found a chance during your break to write your seminal work “Why Kevin Brown is (not) a HOFer”.
    Speaking of which you’re quite the pro – back to blogging so soon after the birth! Wait, you don’t actually get paid for this do you?
    Have a great night everyone – most especially you, SF!

    A YF July 8, 2008, 4:22 pm
  • dw (sf) – That’s not the case as far as I know (I could well be wrong of course). Last I heard there was talk of keeping the short right field porch – the commissioner’s office approved a 312 ft RF foul pole (actually 2 feet shorter than it is now). As for the other dimensions, such as “death valley” in left-center field, I think they are going to change. Again I’m not entirely sure, but I think that’s the case…anyone know?

    Mark (YF) July 8, 2008, 4:41 pm
  • mark / dw- from wiki…..
    “The field’s dimensions will be identical to those at the current Yankee Stadium and at George M. Steinbrenner Field spring training/minor league baseball facility in Tampa, Florida.”

    sf rod July 8, 2008, 4:49 pm
  • hey Mark (YF), I based the thought that the dimensions would be the same on this website:
    http://www.ballparks.com/baseball/american/nyybpk.htm

    dw (sf) July 8, 2008, 4:52 pm
  • P.S. From the Yankee’s website (I can’t believe I went there):
    oldLeft Field 318′
    Left Center 399′
    Center 408′
    Right Center 385′
    Right Field 314′
    new:Left Field 318′
    Left Center 399′
    Center 408′
    Right Center 385′
    Right Field 314′
    however, backstop is closer to home plate, and the giant TV is even gianter, so I’d think the wind currents will be significanltly different.

    dw (sf) July 8, 2008, 5:10 pm
  • SF: I don’t know, but Coors’ park factor can be found here:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?season=2008

    attackgerbil July 8, 2008, 6:28 pm
  • Coors’ BABIP is second-highest in the NL, at .312. Wrigley Field is .319. Turner Field, .303, is the only other park above .300. So Coors does have a very high BABIP, and unlike many other parks, it carried over from ’07, when it was .315, highest in the league.
    In MLB, Coors’ BABIP is comparable to DET, BOS and CLE.

    Paul SF July 8, 2008, 8:30 pm
  • Yeah, I guess they are going w/ the same dimensions – interesting.

    Mark (YF) July 8, 2008, 9:37 pm

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