Curt Schilling’s season is over, and his career may be over as well. The Red Sox righthander said this morning that he is going to have surgery on his right shoulder Monday in Philadelphia, and that there was a "pretty decent chance that I’ve thrown my last pitch forever."

"I’m not exactly sure [what type of surgery it’s going to be]," Schilling said this morning on WEEI’s Dennis and Callahan show. "We’re still nailing down exactly what kind of surgery it’s going to be."

When asked if this will end the season for the Red Sox righthander, he replied, "yes."

106 comments… add one
  • Ding-dong, the witch is ….?

    A YF June 20, 2008, 10:15 am
  • As much as I dislike Schilling this is a crappy way to end your career. The more you see cases like this the more I think Tiki Barber wasn’t so crazy.

    John - YF June 20, 2008, 10:16 am
  • If it is the end of his career, it was a great career. Schilling will be able to make one last speech at Cooperstown, I think.

    Paul SF June 20, 2008, 10:19 am
  • Oh Paul, you know we will hear from him a lot more than that.
    Thanks for everything #38!

    LocklandSF June 20, 2008, 10:23 am
  • Haha, well, sure. But I was taking creative licnse. ;-)

    Paul SF June 20, 2008, 10:29 am
  • If Schilling makes it to Cooperstown, it’s because of one playoff run. The stats alone don’t put him there. He was an above average starter in the lesser league. He had one very good season in the AL East and has done nothing significant since. No CYs and 216 wins (over 16 seasons as a starter) is not HOF worthy. It’s the Hall of Pretty Good.

    A YF June 20, 2008, 10:31 am
  • Well, that’s too bad, if not unexpected. I second what John wrote, it’s tough to see a career end this way. The Sox ought to have a nice, big celebration on a pretty September weekend for Curt.

    SF June 20, 2008, 10:33 am
  • $106 million to throw a baseball for 18 years.
    Lucky man.

    LocklandSF June 20, 2008, 10:34 am
  • Every pitcher with more than 3,000 strikeouts is, should be or will be in the Hall of Fame. Schilling will make it, and he won’t have to wait too long.
    His postseason dominance and three rings will more than make up for the lack of Cys and low win total.

    Paul SF June 20, 2008, 10:44 am
  • “Every pitcher with more than 3,000 strikeouts is, should be or will be in the Hall of Fame.”
    Bert Blyleven.
    He has two rings. And he was in the DH league almost his whole career. Also belongs in the Hall of Pretty Good.

    A YF June 20, 2008, 11:03 am
  • Bert Blyleven was one of the most dominant pitchers of his era. He will make the Hall of Fame. He should be there already.

    Paul SF June 20, 2008, 11:07 am
  • Speaking of good old Bert…

    Anonymous June 20, 2008, 11:13 am
  • “Bert Blyleven was one of the most dominant pitchers of his era.”
    He was very good for many years. Not a bad comp for Schilling, actually, on the surface – a few rings with different teams, no CYs, K numbers, long stretches with bad teams.
    Of course, they were completely different pitchers.

    A YF June 20, 2008, 11:16 am
  • Good riddance…

    Sam-YF June 20, 2008, 11:19 am
  • The guy is a pompous, big-mouthed, jerkoff…good riddance.

    krueg June 20, 2008, 11:59 am
  • Thanks for the extremely awesome Game 6’s, Curt.

    Devine June 20, 2008, 12:20 pm
  • “The guy is a pompous, big-mouthed, jerkoff, who any Yankee fan would have loved to have had the last 4 years if it meant two WS wins.”
    There, fixed that for ya.
    I’m not disagreeing with you at all, just trying to keep things honest.

    LocklandSF June 20, 2008, 12:39 pm
  • > just trying to keep things honest.
    Gotta agree. Yanks got the wrong snake. I woulda much rather had #38 than the giraffe.

    attackgerbil June 20, 2008, 12:57 pm
  • Finally, baseballs biggest scumbag second to Barry Bonds has to hang it up.

    Anonymous June 20, 2008, 12:57 pm
  • >baseballs biggest scumbag second to Barry Bonds
    That’s a completely indefensible statement.

    attackgerbil June 20, 2008, 1:06 pm
  • “Finally, baseballs biggest scumbag second to Barry Bonds has to hang it up.”
    Ok, come on, let’s keep some perspective here, Schilling is a complete and total jackass, but a scumbag?

    LocklandSF June 20, 2008, 1:07 pm
  • Actually, the choice was between Vazquez and Schilling. The Yankees rightly went for the young, emerging ace. Luck would have it that Vazquez wouldn’t become that ace until 2007, long after the Yankees were through with him. Bleh. I love Vazquez. Imagine what could have been…

    AndrewYF June 20, 2008, 1:08 pm
  • Gotta agree with Lockland: scumbag is too strong a word for a self-aggrandizing narcissist like Schilling. “Complete and total jackass” fits better. I also submit for your approval: Jagoff, blowhard, and d-bag.
    Food for thought though: if SChill belongs in the Hall (and I think he does), doesn’t Moose, as well?

    Mark (YF) June 20, 2008, 1:29 pm
  • Yes, Mussina should go to the Hall.

    Devine June 20, 2008, 1:43 pm
  • It was the right call at the time. Vazquez looked to be a much better pitcher going forward. But he’s not an ace. He’s a innings muncher – a #3 or #4 at best.
    “if SChill belongs in the Hall (and I think he does), doesn’t Moose, as well?”
    Schilling doesn’t belong. Nor does Moose. They can a long discussion with each other about the Hall of Very Good. But they’re really different case. Schilling’s is based on K’s and the post-season. Moose’s is based on wins and consistency and in the AL East.
    Moose though at least looks like he has time on his side. If he can sign a three year deal this winter, he may just get to 300 wins, especially if it’s with the Phillies.

    A YF June 20, 2008, 2:01 pm
  • 300 wins is an outdated standard, I think.

    Devine June 20, 2008, 2:05 pm
  • wow, this thread just oozes class.
    Seriously, guys, a player’s career may be over and this is the urge, to say “good riddance, douchebag”? Schilling doesn’t deserve to be mentioned anywhere near Bonds, personality-wise. I find most of the responses to this pretty darn repulsive. Sox fans should keep this in mind for when any given Yankees retire or are forced out of the game, do the right thing and keep thoughts like that to ourselves.

    SF June 20, 2008, 2:14 pm
  • Who’s won 300 games and not been brought into the Hall, even of this current generation? That’s more of a sure thing than 3000 Ks (see again Blyleven). And Moose is looking at 300 wins AND 3000 Ks if he can do what he’s doing for two or three more years. Then you might as well reserve your seat at his induction.
    If anything, 500 HRs ain’t what it used to be.

    A YF June 20, 2008, 2:21 pm
  • People are still mad that Torre didn’t bunt on him.

    A YF June 20, 2008, 2:25 pm
  • Yea but what Yankee is that outspoken and classless to talk trash to any other organization. Can you say the same if Mo or Jeter retire?
    Look at his post on his blog about Kobe. The guy is out of his mind.
    BTW, you cant feel bad for any guy making millions and millions of dollars a year. I think he can handle a little criticism

    A diehard YF June 20, 2008, 2:46 pm
  • Schilling, stats alone, is for sure a borderline HOF candidate, but when you factor in a few things, such as 3 rings, the epic 2004, years on a crappy team with no run support, 3000Ks, I think the smart money would have him getting in, as apposed to not getting in. So if I was a betting man, which I am, I put my money on him getting in at some point.

    LocklandSF June 20, 2008, 2:49 pm
  • I won’t be heartbroken if we’ve seen the last of Schilling on the field, but I don’t find much joy in seeing anyone go out on an injury. And I’m not really big on the whole moral relativism angle here.
    Not hard to imagine him moving to FOX. He’s obviously a bright guy, and he shares that network’s worldview, for the most part.
    I don’t know whether he’s a HOFer. A few months ago (years?) Paul put together a relatively convincing case. The win total is low, but then, we spend a good deal of time on this site dismissing wins as a reasonable metric for a pitcher’s performance, so why should it be accepted as the primary criteria now?
    I think the odds of Moose reaching 300 wins are extremely, extremely low. Whether he’s a deserving HOF is another question. FWIW—and i think it’s worth a lot—Jay Jaffe thinks so.

    YF June 20, 2008, 2:56 pm
  • Bringing up this post again because this conversation seems to run around like clockwork:
    Meanwhile, the tenor of this thread is just appalling. Don’t like the guy? Fine. But personal insults are absolutely not allowed here, even if the target is a public figure who makes enough money to not care what you think.
    He raises tons of money for charity, has done more community service, I’d wager, than all of us posting combined, and has a wife and kids who love him. Something tells me he wouldn’t be such a “douchebag” or whatever other childish nickname if he hadn’t helped end the Yankees’ postseason twice in the last seven years. Grow up and learn how to have a mature conversation or save your bile for talk radio, where it belongs.

    Paul SF June 20, 2008, 3:00 pm
  • The guy is an ass. Are you kidding me??? Was he a great pitcher…absolutely! Was he great in Boston and led them to 2004…YES! But the guy has a huge mouth that spews garbage. Would you disagree SF or Paul??? I’m sure he does charity work, that goes without saying with most marquee professional athletes so I don’t see a need to give him props for doing something he should do anyways…
    SF: None of the current/90’s Yankee greats (Jeter, Mo, Jorge, Bernie, O’Neill, Tino, Pettitte, etc.) can even be compared to Schilling in matters like this…If you even think so then the bias is clearly with you. Don’t make this a Sox/Yankees thing. Schilling is a jerk regardless of the uniform he wears. I would never say the same thing about any of the other Sox players of the last 5 years…

    krueg June 20, 2008, 3:14 pm
  • “But personal insults are absolutely not allowed here, even if the target is a public figure who makes enough money to not care what you think.”
    Posters around here take personal shots at A-Rod, Clemens, Jeter, and others all the time. What goes around…
    Paul, Schilling may have done things that you feel earn respect but he has also done more than enough for me not to respect him. On the field he was certainly a great competitor and very skilled pitcher. Off the field, his meddling in politics and weighing in on other athletes (including calling them names himself) was way over the line in my book. May I suggest that you might agree if he HAD NOT won 2 WS for your team. It works in both directions.
    Also for the record, I didnt call him any names was just expressing the fact that I am glad to see him go.

    Sam-YF June 20, 2008, 3:15 pm
  • Well, Arod’s a giant ass too.

    LocklandSF June 20, 2008, 3:16 pm
  • Also, Hank! How many personal insults have been thrown his way on this site in the last 6 months. The moral outrage is misplaced.

    Sam-YF June 20, 2008, 3:18 pm
  • Lock: Not in the same vile, pompous, condescending jerkoff way though…
    Big difference between being too aloof and being an outright asshole.

    krueg June 20, 2008, 3:19 pm
  • Outspoken? Yes.
    Classless? Hardly.
    More than he pimps for the GOP, Curt has tirelessly pimped for charitable organizations.
    His work for ALS (in honor of Lou Gehrig) and his efforts for the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute’s Jimmy Fund place him high on a pedestal.
    There are a lot of YFs (not all, but a lot) who hate him because he rejected the Yanks and picked Boston after the 2003 season, then he kept his promise. Well, that’s jealousy.
    He embraced the rivalry and made it better.
    He speaks his mind, but he’s never unnecessarily sh!t on anyone, not even Kobe Bryant.
    Just because he doesn’t smile and give pretty sound bites (sounds like a certain NFL coach with 3 rings), whenever there’s a camera or microphone in his face, people love to hate him.
    Well screw all of you.
    Among all of the current (and disabled) Yankees and Red Sox, if I had to pick one guy to have my back in a fox hole, it’s Schilling.
    Even if I know he’s not going to shut up the whole time.

    I'm Bill McNeal June 20, 2008, 3:21 pm
  • I agree with a lot of what you say Bill, but a foxhole? I’m going with Timlin every time in that situation.

    LocklandSF June 20, 2008, 3:24 pm
  • Word Series rings:
    Schilling 3, Mussina … (snicker) …

    I'm Bill McNeal June 20, 2008, 3:25 pm
  • OOOooo, Timlin.
    Good call.
    That’s what I get for ranting.
    Seriously, though, that’d be a tough choice.

    I'm Bill McNeal June 20, 2008, 3:25 pm
  • “Schilling, stats alone, is for sure a borderline HOF candidate”
    Which ones? Cause you “add in” the Ks. Otherwise, I just don’t see it.
    You left Blyleven out of that analysis. He certainly proves this statement wrong:
    “Every pitcher with 3,000 strikeouts is in the Hall of Fame.”
    Blyleven was a fine pitcher. But he doesn’t belong. Just cause many lesser pitchers were admitted doesn’t change that fact.
    Schilling has mostly piled up those numbers against lesser competition, esp. in the NL West. That alone puts a qualification against his achievements. And if anything, he should have racked up higher numbers (see Unit, Big). Moose had the harder task, and succeeded much more often.
    “I think the odds of Moose reaching 300 wins are extremely, extremely low.”
    I would have said the same prior to this season. Now I think he’s learned to pitch with diminished stuff. Just like Jamie Moyer (Thanks Hank!). I’m still pessimistic on his chances, but I wouldn’t say I’d be surprised now. Heck, he seems to be working himself into a new contract at least.
    “The win total is low, but then, we spend a good deal of time on this site dismissing wins as a reasonable metric for a pitcher’s performance, so why should it be accepted as the primary criteria now?”
    Within one year comparing pitchers, they’re pretty worthless. But I think it’s helpful in comparing careers – though not as helpful as ERA+. But it’s a decent enough metric of sustained success.

    A YF June 20, 2008, 3:26 pm
  • “Word Series rings:
    Schilling 3, Mussina … (snicker) …”
    There’s a solid argument.

    Sam-YF June 20, 2008, 3:27 pm
  • How many of the other supposed a$$hole$ in pro sports do as much charitable work as Schilling?
    Although I admit that might not be fair. Not that many people knew about Telly Ballgame’s work for the Jimmy Fund until well after he retired. Turned out he was at the hospital visiting sick kids all the time.

    I'm Bill McNeal June 20, 2008, 3:28 pm
  • OK, Sam.
    Yes, it’s juvenile.
    But it’s also quite accurate.

    I'm Bill McNeal June 20, 2008, 3:30 pm
  • Word Series rings:
    Dimaggio 9, Williams … (snicker) …
    Reggie 4, Yaz … (snicker) …
    Really, do you want to play this game?

    A YF June 20, 2008, 3:30 pm
  • ASS YF, the converation was about your hero mussina.
    So fuck off.

    I'm Bill McNeal June 20, 2008, 3:31 pm
  • Yes, Bill its accurate but indicative of basically nothing.

    Sam-YF June 20, 2008, 3:32 pm
  • I think a lot of this has to do with the fact that a lot of people associate having a different set of political values with being a bad person.

    LocklandSF June 20, 2008, 3:32 pm
  • Bill: Foxholes? um…yeah.
    Saying exactly what you think when you think it isn’t some great human quality…I believe that is the opposite of couth.

    krueg June 20, 2008, 3:33 pm
  • Wow Bill, f*ck off? Imagine if A YF had typed something like that?
    His statement met the same criteria you set for your own. Slightly juvenile but 100% accurate.

    Sam-YF June 20, 2008, 3:34 pm
  • “I think a lot of this has to do with the fact that a lot of people associate having a different set of political values with being a bad person.”
    Lockland to me its using his success in sports to political ends is the problem. I dont like seeing any athletes in the political arena weather I agree with them or not.

    Sam-YF June 20, 2008, 3:35 pm
  • Why is Bill allow to troll?

    Lar June 20, 2008, 3:36 pm
  • I can definitely see Curt Schilling going to FOX to do commentary. Side by side with Joe Buck the most biased Yankee hater of all time next to Joe Morgan.

    Anonymous June 20, 2008, 3:36 pm
  • Don’t forget “Kruk-y”!!! He hates us.

    krueg June 20, 2008, 3:37 pm
  • But has never seen a sandwich he didn’t love…

    krueg June 20, 2008, 3:37 pm
  • Wow, indeed. Your family is very lucky.
    Meanwhile, if you read anything I wrote, I don’t think Schilling nor Mussina belong. But Mussina seems to have time on his side…

    A YF June 20, 2008, 3:41 pm
  • “Joe Buck the most biased Yankee hater of all”
    I always loved this, you do realize that a ton of Red Sox fans feel exactly the same way, except it’s the opposite?
    I don’t see anyone defending what Bill said, by the way.

    LocklandSF June 20, 2008, 3:42 pm
  • Bill, that was way over the line. You’re usually pretty rational, but that’s two comments this week that simply don’t belong.

    Paul SF June 20, 2008, 3:49 pm
  • “Lockland to me its using his success in sports to political ends is the problem. I dont like seeing any athletes in the political arena weather I agree with them or not.”
    What about Hollywood? Who is allowed to voice their opinion?
    While I don’t agree with Schill’s politics, I feel he has a right to speak his mind and if people want to quote him, put a mic in face, print it, air it, that’s their decision, not Schilling’s.

    LocklandSF June 20, 2008, 4:01 pm
  • Can we keep it clean here, please, folks? Name calling is COMPLETELY out of line, whether it’s Schilling or a fellow YFSF commenter. If you don’t like Schill, fine that’s your business. But that’s no reason to use foul language here.
    I’m not one to cast stones about who is and is not a good person. I’m glad Schilling does charity work. That’s genuinely nice, and just because he’s rich, likes to talk to the press, or has awful political taste doesn’t change that. But this is a baseball blog. Let’s stick to baseball.

    YF June 20, 2008, 4:04 pm
  • Krueg:
    My point is not that any Yankees deserve such sentiment, but that fans who might feel such disdain should restrain themselves from voicing it in such crass terms.

    SF June 20, 2008, 4:16 pm
  • IBM:
    Enough. This is the second offensive comment this week. The leash is short, ok?

    SF June 20, 2008, 4:26 pm
  • i can’t wait for pettitte to retire or be forced out of the game. i have so much hypocrite venom saved up for that guy it could choke a horse.
    …biding my time.

    sf rod June 20, 2008, 4:41 pm
  • Oh, I don’t know Rod, I totally believe his “just once, to rehab from an injury” story!

    LocklandSF June 20, 2008, 4:51 pm
  • gary sheffield was just misunderstood.

    sf rod June 20, 2008, 4:58 pm
  • Pettitte, really? The guy is a symptom of his times (and friends). Simple question: How many other Pettites are out there? His story seems like it would be very common – in baseball and across sports. We’ll just never know. It’s just too bad, for equity sake that a trainer never ratted out the Sox. But we never did get the story of what Manny Alexander was up to back in 2000.

    A YF June 20, 2008, 5:00 pm
  • SF: I get it. I guess I’m just flabbergasted that anyone would stick up for Schilling from an attitude standpoint? My bad. I thought most felt the same way about the guy. He’s like Canseco only with talent to me…

    krueg June 20, 2008, 5:00 pm
  • A YF: come on bro, you know ONLY the Yankees players took steroids…mainly Jeter, Bernie, O’Neill, Tino, Jorge and Mo. Oh, and ARod…can’t forget ARod.
    That other team up north a few hours would NEVER stoop to something like PED’s…
    Rod: Sheffield was an A__hole. See…Yankee player that was a jerk too!

    krueg June 20, 2008, 5:04 pm
  • How many other Pettites are out there?
    do you mean guy’s who are outspoken about their faith and family life, and then come to find out it was all a sham? there’s alot of those guys.

    sf rod June 20, 2008, 5:07 pm
  • Sorry, but Rod’s got a point there.

    LocklandSF June 20, 2008, 5:16 pm
  • Sorry, but Rod’s got a point there.

    LocklandSF June 20, 2008, 5:17 pm
  • Sorry about the double post.

    LocklandSF June 20, 2008, 5:17 pm
  • krueg- it’s easy to say that about gary now, but he was your a-hole that you rooted for every time he came to the plate. that’s why you’re seeing such a staunch defense by sf’s here for schill. he was/is our a-hole, and like a family we reserve the sole right to call him as such….but anybody outside the family does that…it’s on.

    sf rod June 20, 2008, 5:25 pm
  • Right, “it was a sham” because he used HGH. Sure.
    Jesus knows better ;)

    A YF June 20, 2008, 5:27 pm
  • it was probably the lying part that bummed out jesus.
    it was probably infidelity part that bummed out his wife.
    it was probably the going back on his word part that bummed out the astros.
    what was it that schilling did again? oh yeah, he said a couple things you all didn’t agree with.

    sf rod June 20, 2008, 5:36 pm
  • Rod: I hated Sheff when he was a Yankee. Sure I cheered for him when he was hitting HR’s but just because he wore the pinstripes doesn’t mean he wasn’t a loudmouthed jerk. I would never defend that guy.
    A jerk is a jerk no matter what team he plays for…
    p.s. what about all the other teams he pitched for…would those fans have a right to call him out? Schilling was a major league pitcher long before he landed in Fenway remember…

    krueg June 20, 2008, 5:37 pm
  • WOW Rod…who’s hating now??? When did Pettitte cheat on his wife? And for the record, was HGH a banned substance in 2004 when he was an Astro? (i.e. not on the Yankees)

    krueg June 20, 2008, 5:39 pm
  • “was HGH a banned substance in 2004 when he was an Astro?”
    Wow, I am so sick of this, it is illegal for anyone to take HGH without a prescription AND there is almost no known adult ailment that would require HGH to be prescribed, it’s used almost exclusively for underweight babies.

    LocklandSF June 20, 2008, 5:43 pm
  • Rod: You didn’t answer the question… :)

    krueg June 20, 2008, 5:45 pm
  • “…there is almost no known adult ailment that would require HGH to be prescribed, it’s used almost exclusively for underweight babies.”
    Raymond L Hintz, professor of pediatrics
    Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305, USA
    “In adults the approved uses (HGH)include AIDS related wasting and growth hormone deficiency (usually due to a pituitary tumour).”
    “In addition to the generally accepted therapeutic uses of human growth hormone, many proposed uses have not been established. Human growth hormone is undisputedly a potent hormone with a wide variety of biological effects. The anabolic actions of human growth hormone have made it attractive as a potential agent for catabolic problems in a wide range of clinical conditions, including severely catabolic patients in an intensive care environment, burns, cystic fibrosis, inflammatory bowel disease, fertility problems, osteoporosis, and Down’s syndrome, and also for people wishing to reverse the effects of ageing and promote athletic prowess.”

    krueg June 20, 2008, 5:53 pm
  • Oh, snap!

    A YF June 20, 2008, 6:02 pm
  • Holy Crap. I’m glad I missed this one.

    Brad June 20, 2008, 6:02 pm
  • I actually don’t think Schilling belongs in the hall for the same reasons Don Mattingly doesn’t belong there, and agree with A YF, he leads the hall of extremely good, but not of Fame.
    Neither was the best at their own position at any time in their careers, and a couple postseasons heroics do not a career make.
    That being said, I love the guy. I wish more athletes were as open minded, and not really concerned with how things like his political beliefs, faith, or any number of other things were viewed by the public. I like a guy with a clean record, and a little bit of Hank Hill in him. Give me that guy over most any other type of athlete.
    I look at him the same way as I view are President: Most times, it would probably be best served to just remain quiet or offer up a cheesy automated response, but that just wouldn’t be appropos to who the man is, and if America hates anything, it’s the guy who has never given at quote or said a sentence that wasn’t stolen directly from the cliche book for athletes.
    I like Schilling. He’s MLB’s version of Al Bundy. Give me that guy everytime. Take the guy blonde highlights, trimmed fingernails, and a inferiority complex and keep him and his numbers. I’ll always root for the guy with a little bit of real character.

    Brad June 20, 2008, 6:12 pm
  • I’m on my way to NH, but there are plenty of doctors that say differently, will have to wait though.

    LocklandSF June 20, 2008, 6:12 pm
  • edit
    are = our

    Brad June 20, 2008, 6:13 pm
  • krueg- jeez, you google “pettitte cheater” and you get 3 billion returns. here you go. it’s at the bottom under the column titled “blind as a bat”.

    sf rod June 20, 2008, 6:15 pm
  • anyone can find anything backing whatever they want to prove when it comes to medicine. Their are always two sides of the coin. I’m sure that I can find stuides saying that eight glasses of water a day is just too damn much. So on, and so on. Copying and pasting random internet medical evaluations or explanations is just that: randomly believable or accurate or fully accepted.

    Brad June 20, 2008, 6:16 pm
  • see, anyone can find anything. Who the hell knows if it’s true or not.
    Did he cheat: nope. Did he lie: Yep. Does God hate a liar: who the hell knows…google it.
    Do I care about any of this, especially Pettitte, who isn’t as good as Rasner nowadays: nope.

    Brad June 20, 2008, 6:19 pm
  • later guys..
    Enjoy the games. Mabey Cinci might actually have brought bats to the game, unlike the other two worst teams in baseball the past six games.

    Brad June 20, 2008, 6:20 pm
  • “In addition to the generally accepted therapeutic uses of human growth hormone…
    so he had a prescription right?

    sf rod June 20, 2008, 6:20 pm
  • “so he had a prescription right?”
    sf-rod, when did you become drug zcar William Bennett?:)
    Really, this thread is threatening to compete with the legendary Jeter thread’s rich ethical discussions about various social issues. I have my popcorn and I’m ready to watch!

    Nick-YF June 20, 2008, 6:27 pm
  • nick- i liken myself to more of a janet reno type. can i post the jeter herpes family tree? please…

    sf rod June 20, 2008, 6:29 pm
  • Rod: i’ll take a Stanford PHD’s published paper over your unbased opinion anyday…because, you know, what would a Stanford educated physician know. Simply pointing out that what you said earlier was wrong.

    krueg June 20, 2008, 7:04 pm
  • P.S. I didn’t Google it…I use Yahoo, not Google. If you are going to ridicule my research techniques, at least get my sources correctly!!! :)

    krueg June 20, 2008, 7:12 pm
  • huh? no doubt there’s tons of reasons to be prescribed HGH. what was pettittes? i don’t think doctors from stanford hand out prescriptions for “obligation to my team”. i didn’t see that one anywhere on your list.
    did the pettitte infidelity link suffice? there’s more on LoHud around that time period if you feel like digging.

    sf rod June 20, 2008, 7:14 pm
  • You said there were no reasons to prescribe HGH to adults…there obviously are. That’s my only point. I was not aware that Pettitte was an adulterer! The magical man in the sky he believes in will be perturbed with him for sure!

    krueg June 20, 2008, 7:16 pm
  • This argument is growing tiresome…the NHL draft is on! You are right, Schilling is a class act, real great guy and Pettitte is a Nazi.

    krueg June 20, 2008, 7:18 pm
  • i don’t think that was me. just asked if andy had a prescription. which he did not.
    who are the sabers taking?

    sf rod June 20, 2008, 7:23 pm
  • did he cheat? no. did he commit a crime? yep.
    I thought better about posting this, as we’ve been through this a million times. Baseball doesn’t explicitly forbid lots of things. That doesn’t make them legal or right.
    Pettitte is no special case, there are a lot of reasons (understandable, if not defensible to everyone) but to defend him under the “it wasn’t against the rules of baseball” is a particularly loose kind of moral structure, by which criminal activity is ignored or forgiven because it is a) prevalent or b) silently condoned by an organizational structure. He crossed a line that Bonds crossed, only far fewer times, yet Bonds’ record is looked at as fraudulent. Pettitte, though, still chose to cross that line, and all his confessions don’t change that fact. If we want to bring Bonds into this whole discussion, as someone did earlier in reference to Schill, we’d be better off keeping that line of discussion to Pettitte, not Curt, since Curt hasn’t been proven to or accused to have done anything against the laws of this country while attempting to play baseball.

    SF June 20, 2008, 7:32 pm
  • Who knows with our front office…hopefully the 6’7″ defenseman Tyler Myers or Colten Teubert, another tough defensman. We need some mean kids!!!

    krueg June 20, 2008, 7:40 pm
  • I’m way more into the draft than the Yankees game…don’t tell my fellow YF’s!!! SHHHHHH!

    krueg June 20, 2008, 7:42 pm
  • So the basis of the prior fuck-off comment:
    I, like most of the posters here, am sick of A YF reframing the argument to make his slimey point.
    Clearly he hates all things Red Sox, like his dad is Kevin Kennedy and he never got over it.
    If A YF disagrees, he changes the argument to make a point. His arguments are specious. He presents opinion as fact, discounts the opinions of others as if we live under rocks and generally is just smarmy.
    So I’m tired of it. Sue me.
    Everyone else in here manages to be respectful. We don’t all agree but we do easily agree to disagree.

    I'mBillMcNeal June 20, 2008, 8:25 pm
  • ay Bill:
    In the words of Cam, of Dipset fame, “u mad.”
    Also, someone linking to a blind item in a Fox News gossip column written *4* years ago as “evidence” of Andy Pettitte’s marital infidelities is one of the more pathetic things I’ve seen on a baseball blog.

    doug YF June 23, 2008, 3:24 am
  • not half as pathetic as posting a myspaceish gif.
    so i guess you believe andy was on the up and up the whole time he was lying about HGH, selling his father and friends under the bus, and taking less money to leave the yanks. but it just blows your mind that a guy as upstanding as that would ever cheat on his wife.
    if you wanna dig more on andy’s infidelities you can find it here. anybody have that one gif of r. kelly….oh never mind.

    sf rod June 23, 2008, 4:51 pm

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