That report raises a LOT of questions, to be sure, Sam, but there’s no mystery about the Mitchell Report not mentioning it. The Mitchell report was released in in December of 2007 and this investigation/firing took place in July, 2008.
YF paranoia knows no bounds, I guess.
stuck workingAugust 2, 2009, 1:41 pm
I haven’t decided where this story falls on the “oh, shit” radar — low, middle or high. I really just don’t know what it means.
Just because a team employee is implicated doesn’t mean players were involved.
And certainly MLB is as culpable as the Red Sox in terms of any possible wrongdoing.
Ah, I see Pete Abe is spreading this zombie lie about the Mitchell Report. Jesus.
In other news: DREW!! Nice to have him back in the lineup, though of course it means Bay is sitting to rest his hammy.
stuck workingAugust 2, 2009, 1:51 pm
Lowell singles home Drew, who seems hampered by the groin injury. 4-0.
Then Reddick just misses an RBI hit.
No, I don’t expect objectivity from him, IBM. But I do expect at a facility with Google.
Worrisome about Drew. I still think it’s funny for Baldelli, of all people, to be someone’s injury replacement.
stuck workingAugust 2, 2009, 1:59 pm
GIDP erases the walk.
Also, I vaguely remember hearing about Remy’s son being arrested a few years ago, but how did I not know he’s a roid-freak security guard making $11/hour? So bizarre.
stuck workingAugust 2, 2009, 2:01 pm
Aaaaah, another walk.
stuck workingAugust 2, 2009, 2:02 pm
Bucky gets outof the first on 16 pitches, despite throwing 9 pitches for balls.
Two walks after having been spotted a four-run lead! It’s just a gut feeling on my part, but I wonder if Buchholz has the mental make-up to be a top pitcher on the major league level.
SF, you’re better and reading between the lines than I am. To me, this steroid story in today’s Globe rates on the importance meter at about a 4 on a scale of 1 to 10. What’s your take?
Gotta read the story, IBM, but heading out with kids right now. More later – first couple pages are nothing but circumstantial, tangential nothingness.
Remy’s kid is a piece of work, though, a real thug.
SFAugust 2, 2009, 2:25 pm
Yanks hitting Buehrle like he’s a rookie from Wisconsin.
Two runs in for the O’s in the bottom of the third.
Now obviously Buchholz is nowhere near as terrible as he was last year, but he has not exactly been overwhelming since his call-up. I could have lived with Theo trading him.
And while I write this another run’s in. 7-3 now. Bah.
It’s officla guys…CC is garbage. Cannot hold a 3 run lead…again…gives up back-to-back HR’s and we are now down 3-4. Let’s just go ahead and throw his fat, bloated corpse onto the pile with Kevin Brown, Pavano, Vazquez, Wright, etc…
hey krueg, the Sox just gave up 6 runs and have almost blown a 7 run lead. CC could be pitching worse, I promise.
stuck workingAugust 2, 2009, 3:04 pm
I log in from Scotland and check the game and we’re up 7-0. Sweet. I switch over to check the golf scores and come back 2 minutes later and it’s 7-6. What the hell?
I must be bad luck.
AtheoseAugust 2, 2009, 3:04 pm
Kevin Youkilis is completely unstoppable right now.
stuck workingAugust 2, 2009, 3:06 pm
Ath – I can’t tell whether to tell you to logg off or stop checking golf scores.
rootbeerfloatAugust 2, 2009, 3:07 pm
Well the offense doesn’t seem affected by my bad luck.
AtheoseAugust 2, 2009, 3:08 pm
at least CC is looking like postseason CC today.
sf rodAugust 2, 2009, 3:08 pm
Dave O’Brian mentions that Camden Yards is not sold out today. Does that mean the Sox’ sell-out streak is over ;-)
Who would you rather was out there, IBM? If we’re not going to trade Buchholz, he’s got to learn to pitch up here sometime. And a 5 run lead is not a bad time.
stuck workingAugust 2, 2009, 3:21 pm
Wigginton catches a bullet from Pedroia. Bloop by Martinez brings in another two.
I know it sounds crazy, but Youk is so hot, I would have walked him there if I were Trembley. He’s reached based 10 straight times! He’s 13 for 16 now!
14-6. Buchholz is at 57 pitches. So with that kind of lead I am sure the bullpen would appreciate at least three more innings out of him. Of course, he needs at least two to get the win. Then again, an eight run lead is not safe at Camden Yards, as we know.
Marcus McBeth replaced Masterson on the roster. Not sure who has Masterson’s role as long reliever.
Buchholz recovered nicely. He may actually go five and get the win. Ha! I love baseball.
Pete Abe MAY be saying that he’s not surprised the Mitchell investigators didn’t uncover the steroid use by Sox security personnel, but since both of them say they didn’t supply to others but just used it themselves, it seems like a stretch that the investigators would have ever come across them without interviewing every security official in baseball.
My take is twofold: Their own culpability is minor — no evidence they ever supplied to or even discussed usage with any ballplayers. Bu the investigation conducted by the team and MLB was woefully inadequate and makes clear that the new anti-steroid tack is designed solely for the public and doesn’t have much teeth beyond against those who are dumb enough to get caught.
Lowell singles. Remember when our offense was nonexistant? That seems like months ago.
AtheoseAugust 2, 2009, 3:45 pm
Shhh, Ath, you might scare it off.
stuck workingAugust 2, 2009, 3:48 pm
That’s my initial reaction, too, Paul. Could have been better written edited. You comment finally lets me put my editor hat on: That story lacks a good nut graf.
Batting average is pretty worthless as an offensive measure, but it’s still nice that the Sox now have five .300 hitters in the lineup. Been a while.
Paul SFAugust 2, 2009, 3:49 pm
meanwhile, clay continues to pitch like postseason CC as well.
sf rodAugust 2, 2009, 3:52 pm
Bah, I don’t mind the solo shot to Jones at all, responding by walking the next batter on 4 pitches is totally unacceptable.
stuck workingAugust 2, 2009, 3:52 pm
Re Masterson’s replacement: McBeth was optioned to Pawtucket (and Kottaras sent to the DL) to make room for Martinez and Kotchman. So right now Reddick has Masterson’s roster spot.
Buchholz pulled for MDC. Extremely disappointing start. Sox will be very lucky if it turns into a win for them.
stuck workingAugust 2, 2009, 3:56 pm
Buchholz gives up a homer to Adam Jones, walks Markakis, allows a single by Huff, and most deservedly gets pulled.
Small sample size at major league level this season so far, but I fear he will never be worth as much as he was at this year’s trading deadline.
This comes closest, I think: Both men were fired in a case that speaks to both Major League Baseball’s new intolerance for steroids and its inconclusive efforts to investigate suspicious cases.
It’s hard hen you’ve got so much information and what is essentially a two-part story to distill that into one paragraph, and this one doesn’t quite cut it.
You need something like: Although it’s unclear the extent to which the men’s usage extended into the rest of the Red Sox clubhouse, baseball’s investigation made little attempt to shed any light on that question, the men said, raising concerns about how sincere the sport is about investigating performance-enhancing drug use since a series of embarrassing revelations about its biggest stars.
Paul SFAugust 2, 2009, 3:57 pm
Lord, is Buchholz really in line for a start on the road against the Yankees? Yikes.
stuck workingAugust 2, 2009, 3:57 pm
Sox will be very lucky if it turns into a win for them.
I assume you mean lucky from a generic “Your starter gives up 7 ER in 4 IP, there’s no way you should win” sense, and not from a “You have a seven-run lead in the fourth” sense.
Paul SFAugust 2, 2009, 3:59 pm
I fear he will never be worth as much as he was at this year’s trading deadline.
He had an ERA under 4.00 entering this game. He’s learning.
Delcarmen really needs to get an out here.
Paul SFAugust 2, 2009, 4:00 pm
Wow, just looked at the box score for the Royals/Rays game. The Royals stole home? Awesome. And a helluva start so far for Bannister — good thing the Yanks didn’t get him.
stuck workingAugust 2, 2009, 4:00 pm
And he gets two!
Sox are turning a huge number of double plays lately.
Paul SFAugust 2, 2009, 4:01 pm
yes, Paul, you assumed correctly. And nice re-write on the Globe story.
GIDP induced by MDC.
stuck workingAugust 2, 2009, 4:02 pm
I do miss writing a good investigative piece. They’re the most fun to write — you can do some really creative leads and some really good writing, and the subject matter ensures it’ll be highly read.
Paul SFAugust 2, 2009, 4:04 pm
Buchholz had a 4.04 FIP entering today’s game. That obviously will go up, thanks to the four walks and two homers, but I suggest we all calm down. Look at how Joba Chamberlain’s struggled this year, and we all know he’s the second coming of Walter Johnson…
Paul SFAugust 2, 2009, 4:06 pm
The Sox are last in the league in double plays turned, so the last two days have been a nice surprise.
Paul SFAugust 2, 2009, 4:10 pm
Paul, where the hell were you when I needed to hire a good reporter?
Our offense really is phenomenal today. Yeah VMart!
AtheoseAugust 2, 2009, 4:15 pm
Yes, Paul, I know Buchholz’s still learning. But he is 25 already and, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, my impression is that he’s just not mentally strong enough. Of course, I might well be wrong. I certainly hope so. And I’m certainly calm enough to not ask for his immediate removal from the rotation. He’ll probably beat CC on Saturday.
Glad Kotchman is in. This is the kind of situation that makes him a useful pick-up.
stuck workingAugust 2, 2009, 4:47 pm
Disappointing outing for Ramirez, but still a 16-10 lead after 7. Will Saito finally manage a 1-2-3 inning for the Sox? This game is way too long already.
Sorry to jump on the sox gamer but this story should have a thread of its own. The fact it wasnt mentioned in the Mitchell report is kinda fishy….
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2009/08/02/sox_fired_two_in_steroids_case/
That report raises a LOT of questions, to be sure, Sam, but there’s no mystery about the Mitchell Report not mentioning it. The Mitchell report was released in in December of 2007 and this investigation/firing took place in July, 2008.
YF paranoia knows no bounds, I guess.
I haven’t decided where this story falls on the “oh, shit” radar — low, middle or high. I really just don’t know what it means.
Just because a team employee is implicated doesn’t mean players were involved.
And certainly MLB is as culpable as the Red Sox in terms of any possible wrongdoing.
Baltimore pitcher Jason Berken is from DePere, Wis., near Green Bay and home of St. Norbert College.
Let’s go, JD. No LOBs here.
the lead comes quickly: Drew raps a 3-run double to right-center!
3-0, WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Ah, I see Pete Abe is spreading this zombie lie about the Mitchell Report. Jesus.
In other news: DREW!! Nice to have him back in the lineup, though of course it means Bay is sitting to rest his hammy.
Lowell singles home Drew, who seems hampered by the groin injury. 4-0.
Then Reddick just misses an RBI hit.
Stuck, do you really expect complete objectivity from Peter “Go Yanks” Abraham?
And Baldelli immediately replaces Drew in
RF in the bottom of the 1st. Drew must have strained the groin.
…
Bucky promptly walks the first batter.
No, I don’t expect objectivity from him, IBM. But I do expect at a facility with Google.
Worrisome about Drew. I still think it’s funny for Baldelli, of all people, to be someone’s injury replacement.
GIDP erases the walk.
Also, I vaguely remember hearing about Remy’s son being arrested a few years ago, but how did I not know he’s a roid-freak security guard making $11/hour? So bizarre.
Aaaaah, another walk.
Bucky gets outof the first on 16 pitches, despite throwing 9 pitches for balls.
Here was my unanswered question: How can someone who makes $11/hour as a security guard afford to buy steroids?
Two walks after having been spotted a four-run lead! It’s just a gut feeling on my part, but I wonder if Buchholz has the mental make-up to be a top pitcher on the major league level.
Man, Jacoby is hot right now.
A Lowrie led off with a loud out.
Berken isn’t long for this game.
Nice start to this game, other than the JD injury.
Four outs into the game, the Red Sox have 5 runs and 7 hits.
SF, you’re better and reading between the lines than I am. To me, this steroid story in today’s Globe rates on the importance meter at about a 4 on a scale of 1 to 10. What’s your take?
5-0, bases loaded, 1 out for Papi, pitching change.
Gotta read the story, IBM, but heading out with kids right now. More later – first couple pages are nothing but circumstantial, tangential nothingness.
Remy’s kid is a piece of work, though, a real thug.
Yanks hitting Buehrle like he’s a rookie from Wisconsin.
Yeah, I wrote off that Yankees game before it started, IBM. Buerhle’s got a terrible record against them, for whatever reason.
Josh Reddick, dinger!!
Well, CC could choose to make it interesting…
Reddick w/his first career homer, a opposisite field shot at that! I love this kid already! 7-0.
This Reddick kid is really growing on me.
Another walk. And to the number 9 hitter to boot.
blech. 2 runs in, more guys on base.
Two runs in for the O’s in the bottom of the third.
Now obviously Buchholz is nowhere near as terrible as he was last year, but he has not exactly been overwhelming since his call-up. I could have lived with Theo trading him.
And while I write this another run’s in. 7-3 now. Bah.
7-6.
Wigginton homer makes it 7-6. And in true Smoltzian fashion four of the six runs in this inning have come with two outs.
Wow. That fell apart quickly. I think Buchholz is pretty quickly approaching last year’s quality, PBE.
Yeah, looks like it. And imagine where we might be without the two double plays earlier in the game!
Well, at least the White Sox just took the lead!
It’s officla guys…CC is garbage. Cannot hold a 3 run lead…again…gives up back-to-back HR’s and we are now down 3-4. Let’s just go ahead and throw his fat, bloated corpse onto the pile with Kevin Brown, Pavano, Vazquez, Wright, etc…
Well, CC and Bucko will meet in the Bronx next Saturday. That should be interesting.
hey krueg, the Sox just gave up 6 runs and have almost blown a 7 run lead. CC could be pitching worse, I promise.
I log in from Scotland and check the game and we’re up 7-0. Sweet. I switch over to check the golf scores and come back 2 minutes later and it’s 7-6. What the hell?
I must be bad luck.
Kevin Youkilis is completely unstoppable right now.
Ath – I can’t tell whether to tell you to logg off or stop checking golf scores.
Well the offense doesn’t seem affected by my bad luck.
at least CC is looking like postseason CC today.
Dave O’Brian mentions that Camden Yards is not sold out today. Does that mean the Sox’ sell-out streak is over ;-)
Bases loaded with one out for Lowell.
maybe we just need to resign ourselves to a slugfest today. Always better to be the home team on one of those.
And Mikey comes through.
And Reddick comes through. 10-6 Sox now.
Yankees have re-taken the lead in what seems to be a great pitcher’s duel. Just like our game.
Maybe Reddick should pitch, too.
And Jed Lowrie raises his average to .130. 11-6.
11-6. Do we really wanna throw Bucky back out there?
Lowrie’s got a long way to go before he can equal Reddick’s .500, PBE.
Bags full, one out for Pedey.
Who would you rather was out there, IBM? If we’re not going to trade Buchholz, he’s got to learn to pitch up here sometime. And a 5 run lead is not a bad time.
Wigginton catches a bullet from Pedroia. Bloop by Martinez brings in another two.
I like this VMart guy.
Youk drives in another one. He’s even hotter than Jacoby right now.
I know it sounds crazy, but Youk is so hot, I would have walked him there if I were Trembley. He’s reached based 10 straight times! He’s 13 for 16 now!
I got your 6-run inning right here!
True, stuck. He’s gotta grow up sometime.
Holy crap stuck, that’s crazy
Papi only Red Sock w/out a hit today.
Now watch Buchholz walk the first batter.
14-6. Buchholz is at 57 pitches. So with that kind of lead I am sure the bullpen would appreciate at least three more innings out of him. Of course, he needs at least two to get the win. Then again, an eight run lead is not safe at Camden Yards, as we know.
By the way, who replaced Masterson in the bullpen?
Nobody so far. Sox going with 11 pitchers for the weekend.
Hey look, Masterson is going after batters with his enormous lead. Nice.
Buchholz strikes out Zaun on three pitches. Zaun gets himself ejected while Andino is already batting.
Freudian slip: I meant Buchholz, not Masterson.
Oh hey, Zaun ejected.
I’m not sure that counts a FREUDIAN slip, Ath. Unless there’s more to your situation than I’m aware of…
Good quick inning from Buchholz. Great job of throwing strikes with the lead.
Andino strikes out, Roberts singles, Pie grounds out. Comparatively easy 11-pitch inning for Buchholz.
Big inning for Bucky.
Marcus McBeth replaced Masterson on the roster. Not sure who has Masterson’s role as long reliever.
Buchholz recovered nicely. He may actually go five and get the win. Ha! I love baseball.
Pete Abe MAY be saying that he’s not surprised the Mitchell investigators didn’t uncover the steroid use by Sox security personnel, but since both of them say they didn’t supply to others but just used it themselves, it seems like a stretch that the investigators would have ever come across them without interviewing every security official in baseball.
My take is twofold: Their own culpability is minor — no evidence they ever supplied to or even discussed usage with any ballplayers. Bu the investigation conducted by the team and MLB was woefully inadequate and makes clear that the new anti-steroid tack is designed solely for the public and doesn’t have much teeth beyond against those who are dumb enough to get caught.
Top 8, Shields loses no-no, shutout. KC 1, TB 0.
Lowell singles. Remember when our offense was nonexistant? That seems like months ago.
Shhh, Ath, you might scare it off.
That’s my initial reaction, too, Paul. Could have been better written edited. You comment finally lets me put my editor hat on: That story lacks a good nut graf.
KC 2, TB 0, top 8
Batting average is pretty worthless as an offensive measure, but it’s still nice that the Sox now have five .300 hitters in the lineup. Been a while.
meanwhile, clay continues to pitch like postseason CC as well.
Bah, I don’t mind the solo shot to Jones at all, responding by walking the next batter on 4 pitches is totally unacceptable.
Re Masterson’s replacement: McBeth was optioned to Pawtucket (and Kottaras sent to the DL) to make room for Martinez and Kotchman. So right now Reddick has Masterson’s roster spot.
Buchholz pulled for MDC. Extremely disappointing start. Sox will be very lucky if it turns into a win for them.
Buchholz gives up a homer to Adam Jones, walks Markakis, allows a single by Huff, and most deservedly gets pulled.
Small sample size at major league level this season so far, but I fear he will never be worth as much as he was at this year’s trading deadline.
This comes closest, I think:
Both men were fired in a case that speaks to both Major League Baseball’s new intolerance for steroids and its inconclusive efforts to investigate suspicious cases.
It’s hard hen you’ve got so much information and what is essentially a two-part story to distill that into one paragraph, and this one doesn’t quite cut it.
You need something like:
Although it’s unclear the extent to which the men’s usage extended into the rest of the Red Sox clubhouse, baseball’s investigation made little attempt to shed any light on that question, the men said, raising concerns about how sincere the sport is about investigating performance-enhancing drug use since a series of embarrassing revelations about its biggest stars.
Lord, is Buchholz really in line for a start on the road against the Yankees? Yikes.
Sox will be very lucky if it turns into a win for them.
I assume you mean lucky from a generic “Your starter gives up 7 ER in 4 IP, there’s no way you should win” sense, and not from a “You have a seven-run lead in the fourth” sense.
I fear he will never be worth as much as he was at this year’s trading deadline.
He had an ERA under 4.00 entering this game. He’s learning.
Delcarmen really needs to get an out here.
Wow, just looked at the box score for the Royals/Rays game. The Royals stole home? Awesome. And a helluva start so far for Bannister — good thing the Yanks didn’t get him.
And he gets two!
Sox are turning a huge number of double plays lately.
yes, Paul, you assumed correctly. And nice re-write on the Globe story.
GIDP induced by MDC.
I do miss writing a good investigative piece. They’re the most fun to write — you can do some really creative leads and some really good writing, and the subject matter ensures it’ll be highly read.
Buchholz had a 4.04 FIP entering today’s game. That obviously will go up, thanks to the four walks and two homers, but I suggest we all calm down. Look at how Joba Chamberlain’s struggled this year, and we all know he’s the second coming of Walter Johnson…
The Sox are last in the league in double plays turned, so the last two days have been a nice surprise.
Paul, where the hell were you when I needed to hire a good reporter?
VMart is 4-for-5.
Our offense really is phenomenal today. Yeah VMart!
Yes, Paul, I know Buchholz’s still learning. But he is 25 already and, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, my impression is that he’s just not mentally strong enough. Of course, I might well be wrong. I certainly hope so. And I’m certainly calm enough to not ask for his immediate removal from the rotation. He’ll probably beat CC on Saturday.
Kevin Youkilis was just named the Greek God of EVERYTHING.
Yooks walks to force in a run.
Papi still hitless.
Paul, where the hell were you
Probably covering this, IBM.
What is it with our pitching today? Markekis double makes it 16-9. Not over yet.
Glad Kotchman is in. This is the kind of situation that makes him a useful pick-up.
Disappointing outing for Ramirez, but still a 16-10 lead after 7. Will Saito finally manage a 1-2-3 inning for the Sox? This game is way too long already.
No Yanks gamer, so I’ll post it here – Melky just hit for the cycle!
Melky just hit for the cycle…sweet.
Hitting for the cycle is overrated.
You wouldn’t have accepted my job offer, anyway, Paul.
Big Vic is 5-for-6, w/4 RBI.
Youk Ks, demoted to minor deity.
Takashi Mopup takes over on the mound.
5-pitch inning for Saito.
Saito retires the side on five pitches.
This was/is of course the first game that Martinez caught Buchholz and the other pitchers.
Rocco homers! 18-10.
Besides his first major league home run Josh Reddick now has two long outs that both got Joe C excited on the radio.
And then Jones robs Jacoby.
Ninth inning coming up and the big question now is: will the Red Sox be able to hang on to an eight-run lead?
In the year 1810, the marriage of Napoleon and Josephine was annulled, and John Jacob Astor founded the Pacific Trading Co.
Game over. Saito the only Red Sox pitcher who could cope with a big lead. They should give him the W.
Sweep. Sox keep pace.