Draft Day

Today begins the long and largely opaque process that is the MLB draft. Here’s where our respective teams are picking in rounds 1-4:

Yanks: 21, 41, 104, 134
Sox: 27, 28, 40, 44, 71, 83, 103, 133

The Yanks pay for their free-agent signings of Damon and Farns, but get the highest choice courtesy of the Phils (TGo). Boston also gets a pick for losing Bill Mueller. Sox have a 7-4 early round advantage. We’ll see what they make of it—in about 5 years.

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  • Sox have a 7-4 early round advantage. We’ll see what they make of it—in about 5 years.
    You really show how much you know about the Sox with a comment like this. That cocky, giddy mood you are in after last night’s blowout doesn’t give you a free pass to make uninformed comments, however.
    I won’t bother listing players who have already made the majors from the Sox’ last four drafts, or those who have had big impacts (or who may start making an impact this coming weekend). And though it may be true that most drafted players around the bigs take several years to develop (though I have no idea if that number is actually accurate), the Sox have focused their higher picks on guys who are much closer to the bigs, and it’s been paying some dividends. The recent homegrowners on the major league roster have all had their first cup of coffee within 2-4 years of the draft, some even sooner.

    SF June 6, 2006, 10:28 am
  • Take it easy SF. It was a quip. And anyway, yeah, some guys make it up to the bigs in the first couple of years, but that doesn’t mean the verdict is already in on those guys. Hell, you could say it takes 10 years to evaluate a draft and not be wrong.
    Lay off.

    YF June 6, 2006, 11:08 am
  • 80% of the Yankees draft picks will prolly be traded for overpriced, overage and overrated has beens while the Yankees continue to see how far they can build a payroll each year.

    Travis June 6, 2006, 11:20 am
  • SF, take it easy homie. Have some coffee and a donut and look at your comments over last night, and now this one. Remember that the Sox rocked the Yanks to the tune of 14-3 earlier this year and cool out!

    tom yf June 6, 2006, 11:35 am
  • Really? Like whom? Johnny Damon? Kyle Farnsworth? Right. And the Sox never deal prospects. Like, say, Hanley Ramirez. Or Andy Marte. And the Yanks aren’t gonna put out a lineup tonite stocked with home-grown products.

    YF June 6, 2006, 11:41 am
  • YF, I do believe Damon and Farnsworth were both free agent signings, not trades. Also, Hanley and Marte were traded for two 26 year olds Josh Beckett, and Coco Crisp, who have both proven themselves in the majors. (Although Beckett didn’t show it last night). So I don’t really agree with your last point. But to back up the Yankees, most of last nights beating came from AAA prospects.

    NeffSox June 6, 2006, 12:08 pm
  • You’re right Neff; I was just trying to think about who these overthehill players are whom the Yanks acquired, thus losing top draft picks. These are the only 2 that come immediately to mind, of recent vintage. And let me point out that in order to get Crisp, which they were forced to do because of the Damon signing, they had to deal Marte, at the time a top 10 prospect in all of baseball.

    YF June 6, 2006, 12:21 pm
  • I realize Marte was a top 10 prospect, but they could of traded for much worse. Hopefully Crisp will be with the team for 4-5 years, along the lines of the Damon signing years back. He could of panicked when seeing his team was looking at havind Adam Stern (currently in AAA) as our starter come last April, I don’t think this was a bad choice on Theo’s part. Hey, he could of traded Marte for aging Griffey, or even Bonds. They still have many names in their system categorized as ‘untradeable’.

    NeffSox June 6, 2006, 12:30 pm
  • “They still have many names in their system categorized as ‘untradeable’.”
    Hanley once was in that category. For teams such as the Yanks and even the “small-market”
    Red Sox, there is no such thing as an untradeable prospect. In fact, it seems that one of the major functions of a good farm system for competing teams such as Boston and NY is to use it to acquire proven players who can contribute now.
    Thus, the major problem with the Yanks system has not been its willingness to trade prospects for players such as Randy Johnson, Javy Vazquez, or even Kevin Brown and Aaron Boone, but its inability to draft well. Bad scouts might just be the answer.

    Nick-YF June 6, 2006, 12:39 pm
  • Hey. I think they made the right trade for Crisp. No need to defend it. Or the Beckett deal for Hanley. I admire Theo. But the knee-jerk heythe-Yanks-trade-all-their-prospects-for-vets argument is just a bit tedious at this point, and I was simply illustrating, by way of comparison, that what smart teams, like the Sox and Yanks, do is leverage their strengths to fix their weaknesses. So, yeah, the Yanks system is light. They’ve had some horrible dradts. They’ve dealt some players they probably should not have. But they seem to be at least somewhat reformed, and have at least of late been proceeding pretty intelligently, at least in my book, in holding onto and promoting their young talent AND using their money to buy frontline help.

    YF June 6, 2006, 12:43 pm
  • Nick-YF I had said ‘untradeable’ in quotes because I have come to realize when they tell us fans a prospect is untradeable, it just means at this current time there is no one on the market they want, or perhaps need.
    And YF I do agree in the past recent year or so it seems the Yanks are taking a new approach and maybe actually realizing they don’t need to overpay to win championships (look back to 1996-2000). This is to say who knows if they trade Cano and Cabrera to bring Bonds and McGwire (out of retirement) near the trading deadline.
    Don’t take that last line serious of course.

    NeffSox June 6, 2006, 12:49 pm
  • Travis: Yes, the Yankees sole objective is to see how far they can build their payroll. Trying to win games has nothing to do with it. It’s just happenstance that they have the best record in MLB since 2001.
    When you say 80% of their picks will be traded do you mean that the Yankees will trade their picks or trade the players chosen with those picks or both?
    Oh no! The Yankees may make the mistake this year of trading a prospect that eventually becomes a major-leaguer for a vet that doesn’t pan out. No other team would be so foolish!
    Then again, maybe they will continue to sign young free agents like Robinson Cano and Melky Cabrera and it will work out.
    In all seriousness I certainly would like to see a list of players drafted and then later traded by NY and where they stand now in the Major Leagues. I’ve tried to research it casually before. Fantasy baseball really screws up google searches on real baseball drafts.
    On another note: Dumbass quote of the day comes from Joe Morgan post game one of the current series: “The Red Sox will later decry the fact they didn’t put more distance between themselves and the Yankees.” The Yankees went seven and three in the ten games played between the last series NYY/BOS series and the current one. So basically teams should be disappointed if they can’t play .800 ball or better.

    attackgerbil June 6, 2006, 12:56 pm
  • IIRC this is the first year cashman is taking the trade very seriously
    he will be in tampa working the draft team…e used to just let one of his guys do it, but after the last few ears of bad drafts sby the yankees he is heading down to handle it.
    Theo also said he iwll be more involved in this year’s draft.

    TheTree1918 June 6, 2006, 1:09 pm
  • The GMs haven’t been closely involved in the drafts? Why?
    I’m surprised about Theo, even more than Cash. Theo strikes me as a guy with his pulse on the minor league system and I thought that players like Papelbon, Hanley Ramirez, Lest et al were in part thanks to him. Am I wrong about that?
    As for Cash, I guess that’s a function of George foolishly splitting front-office functions, only now he’s handed over keys to the kingdom to Cash. Good. Ian Kennedy is our guy apparently, and from what I can gather, he’s a relatively safe pick, if a little bit of a reach because he’s been less than stellar recently.

    Sam June 6, 2006, 2:45 pm
  • Ramirez was drafted by Dan Duquette, Sam. Lester as well. Papelbon, Hansen, Pedroia, Ellsbury are the “jewels” of Theo’s drafts so far. Matt Murton, who currently plays for the Cubs (part of the Nomar deal), was the first #1 pick on Theo’s watch.

    SF June 6, 2006, 4:15 pm
  • Not a bad haul by Theo.
    Can someone please explain to me why the Yanks passed on Hansen? I always thought that it was because they avoided Boras guys, but they picked Kennedy today and he runs with Boras, so what gives?

    Sam June 6, 2006, 4:35 pm
  • “avoid Boras” backlash, Sam. They caught heat for not taking Hansen. Either that or they didn’t think Hansen was worth the Boras headache, didn’t have enough upside. Or, they think the Kennedy is much better and are willing to pay. Or they misread “Boras” and saw “Borat”.

    SF June 6, 2006, 4:59 pm
  • Jagshemash!

    Sam June 6, 2006, 5:02 pm
  • Of all teams, the Sox and Yanks can least credibly point to Boras as a reason for not signing a draft pick.

    Paul SF June 6, 2006, 5:06 pm
  • Not sure I understand what you are getting at, Paul. Are you saying this because of the teams’ respective financial clout? Or for another reason? Why shouldn’t a team have the right not to want to deal with a guy who gets notoriously inflated dollars for his players, particularly when said players are totally unknown quanities (i.e. draft picks)? Besides Hansen, how many Boras clients do the Sox have, or have they signed as FAs in the past five years? Damon signed as a FA in 2002. Varitek re-signed prior to hitting the market. Is there anyone else I am forgetting?
    The Yankees signed Damon. They traded for A-Rod, post-facto. Anyone else on their roster? Not sure what you are getting at here.

    SF June 6, 2006, 5:44 pm
  • Just that refusing to deal with a Boras client simply because it’s a Boras client (and thus might be asking for a lot of money) doesn’t fly when you’ve shown an ability to spend a lot of money.
    Now if you’re passing because you don’t feel a player is worth what it appears Boras will ask, that’s one thing. But it sounds like a crutch to pass on a draft pick and say, “Well, it’s because Boras is his agent.” It’s a fine line, and really more a matter of semantics, but it makes Boras the all-too-easy villain when in fact both teams can well afford whatever it is he’s asking them to pay for his clients.

    Paul SF June 6, 2006, 6:00 pm
  • So then based on the fact that the Yankees have previously signed Bernie Williams to a long-term deal, Johnny Damon, and now drafted a Boras client, we ought to take the “Yanks wouldn’t take Hansen only because he’s a Boras client” story as what it probably is: incomplete. They probably didn’t take him because he’s a Boras client and they thought the demands would be too high and they didn’t think he would be worth his demands ultimately.

    SF June 6, 2006, 6:04 pm
  • what I read is that George did not want to give out any high priced contracts to amateur unproven players because of the Drew Henson debacle. The pre-draft buzz on Hansen was that he was going to ask for a lot.

    Nick-YF June 6, 2006, 6:07 pm
  • Ah, well that’s a bit different than “avoiding Boras guys” or not wanting “the Boras headache.” The Yankees can certainly afford such a headache, but if they think those players aren’t worth the cash, that’s certainly a legitimate call. As long as they don’t mind missing out on players like Hansen…

    Paul SF June 6, 2006, 6:10 pm
  • So how much did Hansen get from you guys in the end?
    And didn’t George pass on Mark Prior for the same reason as the one Nick gave?

    Sam June 6, 2006, 6:42 pm
  • 4 years, $4 million, paid out in a conglomeration of signing bonuses and advances before settling down to $700k a year.

    Paul SF June 6, 2006, 6:47 pm
  • That doesn’t seem much to me. Then again, he was, what 18th pick? I guess $4m for a pick that low is rather steep. Ah, who knows? But better spent on him than Jaret Wright, surely?

    Sam June 6, 2006, 6:59 pm
  • They also passed on Hansen because they felt that they couldn’t pass up CJ Henry, and the fact they thought they could go and get JB Cox later in the draft, who could end up being just as good of a closer.

    Joe June 13, 2006, 11:04 am

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