Enough Already: Rangers-Sox Gamer I

Time to win a game, ok?

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  • Already down 1-0
    Youk with an 11 pitch AB, ends up drawing a walk. Pedroia to 2nd. V-Mart up.

    Rob SF April 20, 2010, 7:30 pm
  • Sorry, Drew moved to first. V-Mart singles to center, Drew around from 2d to score. Tie Game.
    More importantly, a RBI with RISP.
    Papi is up.

    Rob SF April 20, 2010, 7:32 pm
  • Papi strikes out….shocker.
    The 2nd strike called on him (looking) was damn near in the same spot that two pitches prior was called a ball.

    Rob SF April 20, 2010, 7:35 pm
  • I need my mlbtv. Haven’t pulled the trigger, it’s darn hard to participate in a gamer without reasonable visuals or audio. Soon…

    SF April 20, 2010, 7:59 pm
  • I can say this: REPLACE WAKEFIELD WITH DICE-K.
    I so wish they would get him out of the rotation. I hate his presence, even as I appreciate his career.

    SF April 20, 2010, 8:01 pm
  • Elvis Andrus turns a walk into a triple. With Wakefield in the mound and V-Mart behind the plate, I think even Posada could have a chance at stealing a base.

    AndrewYF April 20, 2010, 8:01 pm
  • Holy shit. 5 steals that inning. One of them a double steal, with Guererro stealing third. 6 steals total already, and it’s only through the THIRD INNING.
    My fantasy team, which sorely needed stolen bases, thanks the Red Sox today.
    This can’t continue. I bet you the Sox have a new starting catcher by the end of the month, with V-Mart the primary DH and Ortiz benched or released. It doesn’t seem like Victor can handle everyday duties. I bet Martinez’s hitting improves when he doesn’t have to focus on catching.

    AndrewYF April 20, 2010, 8:10 pm
  • Tek catching and V-Mart DHing would provide more offense at this point.

    Rob SF April 20, 2010, 8:18 pm
  • 6 stolen bases, hitter batter and now a wild pitch. We have hit the holy triumvirate!!

    Rob SF April 20, 2010, 8:22 pm
  • my bad…..7 stolen bases.
    I think the Rangers are going for a triple double. Runs/Hits/SB

    Rob SF April 20, 2010, 8:23 pm
  • Papi 2 AB’s, 2 K’s.
    Hermida with a jack to right.
    4-2

    Rob SF April 20, 2010, 8:37 pm
  • 9 SBs allowed ties a franchise record…set in 1913.

    AndrewYF April 20, 2010, 8:48 pm
  • Say what you want about the SBs (and they kind of suck), but Wake has given up 7 hits and allowed 5 walks in six innings. That stinks. And that is where it starts.
    If the Sox’ rotation is this shitty for another month then it will remain irrelevant who is catching. The pressure of baserunners or the portent of steals is far less important than keeping guys off the frigging basepaths. Another month of this and the Sox will be 12 games out. Pathetic season so far. Just pathetic.

    SF April 20, 2010, 9:21 pm
  • Agree…however there appeared through gamecast a couple of hits that dropped right behind 1st base that it appeared should have been caught. Again…gamecast vision doesn’t show the reality of it.
    beyond the baserunnners, the inability to really string any hits together and two current blackholes early in the season (Drew and Papi) have made the pitching woes appear even worse.

    Rob SF April 20, 2010, 9:26 pm
  • Wow, Lowell for Papi and draws a walk…

    Clark SF April 20, 2010, 9:46 pm
  • dang, and AB grounds to first…

    Clark SF April 20, 2010, 9:47 pm
  • Wait, why are Martinez and Hermida now out of the game, with the Sox needing runs?
    More injuries? Gameday shows nothing.

    SF April 20, 2010, 10:05 pm
  • Who the hell is Darnell McDonald?

    Atheose - SF April 20, 2010, 10:14 pm
  • OH SHIT I don’t know who he is but I love him. Tie ballgame.

    Atheose - SF April 20, 2010, 10:15 pm
  • Darnell McDonald’s the hero of the day!!!

    Clark SF April 20, 2010, 10:15 pm
  • Hey there you go, some life.

    AndrewYF April 20, 2010, 10:17 pm
  • We’er as surprised as you are, Andrew.
    Also, Varitek has 3 homers in 4 games. That’s the second most on the team, despite having the 2nd fewest plate appearances on the team.

    Atheose - SF April 20, 2010, 10:23 pm
  • Why the hell is the game “temporarily unavailable” on mlb.tv? This seems to happen to me in every single Sox game after the 6th inning.

    Atheose - SF April 20, 2010, 10:28 pm
  • Remdawg just said Paps new kid’s name is “Gunner”…

    Clark SF April 20, 2010, 10:30 pm
  • As in “that’s gunner be one dumb kid”.

    SF April 20, 2010, 10:35 pm
  • I pay $120 for mlb.tv premium and it fails to work half the time so far this season. Awesome.

    Atheose - SF April 20, 2010, 10:38 pm
  • Lol SF.

    AndrewYF April 20, 2010, 10:38 pm
  • Now you know what Theo Epstein feels like, Ath.

    SF April 20, 2010, 10:38 pm
  • Inning over. Youk-Hall-Lowell in the bottom half. Let’s win a game, guys.

    Atheose - SF April 20, 2010, 10:40 pm
  • LOL I literally burst out laughing for a good 5-10 seconds there, SF.

    Atheose - SF April 20, 2010, 10:40 pm
  • I’ll be here all ze veek.

    SF April 20, 2010, 10:41 pm
  • Nice, now let’s get him in!

    Clark SF April 20, 2010, 10:45 pm
  • Winning run on 2nd? Nice! I really want to see Lowell drive him in, though I think we’ll all take anything at this point.

    Atheose - SF April 20, 2010, 10:46 pm
  • He woulda popped that straight up, lucky strike

    Clark SF April 20, 2010, 10:48 pm
  • I’d be surprised if they don’t intentionally load the bases.

    Atheose - SF April 20, 2010, 10:50 pm
  • I was thinking that as well, Ath…

    Clark SF April 20, 2010, 10:51 pm
  • Wow, looks like they’ll pitch to Beltre. This doesn’t make much sense to me; now they need to turn the double play, instead of putting the force at home.

    Atheose - SF April 20, 2010, 10:52 pm
  • Dar-nelllll!!! Let’s do this

    Clark SF April 20, 2010, 10:55 pm
  • YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Clark SF April 20, 2010, 10:56 pm
  • DARNELL DOES IT AGAIN! HOLY SHIT YES!

    Atheose - SF April 20, 2010, 10:56 pm
  • who is this guy?!

    SF April 20, 2010, 10:57 pm
  • Love the Wiki edit…”Darnell McDonald is GOD” hahahah
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darnell_McDonald

    Clark SF April 20, 2010, 11:00 pm
  • Congrats to the Sox! And good for my fantasy team – Frank Francisco is never getting the closer’s job back, so Neftali Feliz has it for good.

    AndrewYF April 20, 2010, 11:01 pm
  • Also on that link Clark:
    At 11:03 on April 20th, 2010, Darnell was also deemed ‘the man.’

    Atheose - SF April 20, 2010, 11:05 pm
  • From Twitter/Wiki:
    RT @worcsoxfan: Darnell McDonald’s Wikipedia page on 4-20-10: “In 2010, McDonald stopped having to pay for drinks in Boston.”

    Clark SF April 20, 2010, 11:13 pm
  • Clark SF April 20, 2010, 11:15 pm
  • Turning point!

    IronHorse (YF) April 21, 2010, 2:32 am
  • “The pressure of baserunners or the portent of steals is far less important than keeping guys off the frigging basepaths.”
    But that’s an impossible feat – even the best pitchers allow on average one baserunner an inning – and exactly that demand may in fact be part of the problem with the pitchers. The Sox pitching is in fact getting crushed when no one is on base to the tune of .269/.350/.473 or a full 100 points higher in OPS than when men are on. By contrast, compare that to 2008 when Varitek and Cash were about league average in CS – .239/.307/.377. It’s like they’re afraid of walking guys so they’re throwing meatballs. The worst part is the pitching has actually been a bit lucky with a .280 BABIP. This problem isn’t simply going away.
    This wouldn’t be the first time Theo et al neglected psychology for raw stats. But it might be the most damaging. Stolen bases by themselves on paper might not be all that bad. But the mere threat of how they wreak havoc on pitchers might just be a huge problem. Intuitively we all get that sense watching the game.
    Worse, if it wasn’t clear already, the Sox will be run on at will all year long. Pitchers are faced with never allowing baserunners. Sure, it was against Wakefield, but frickin’ Vlad stole two bases last night. Actually, that may be the reason that costs Wake his MLB job once Dice-K is ready. They simply can’t do anything about runners on base. The worst part is the Indians knew Martinez was done as a catcher two seasons ago. But then Ortiz was a platoon hitter two seasons ago too.

    Paul from Waltham April 21, 2010, 7:06 am
  • It’s like they’re afraid of walking guys so they’re throwing meatballs. The worst part is the pitching has actually been a bit lucky with a .280 BABIP. This problem isn’t simply going away.
    Three of the Sox starters are underperforming. Do you really think that Lester/Lackey/Wakfield will maintain their current ERA’s of 8.44/5.63/6.38, respectfully?

    Atheose - SF April 21, 2010, 8:51 am
  • To you point, Ath, Lester was awful early last season, and barring injury Beckett and Lackey will probably be fine. The baserunners suck, but the steals are trickle-down from awful pitching. The Sox have the potential to go on some very nice positive streaks, but they need their pitchers to do better. I hardly think Josh Beckett is pitching poorly because he isn’t sure that Victor can throw out a potential baserunner. He’s worked with terrible catchers before, he will do so continually, and he has not failed as a pitcher.
    This is an all-around fail by the team, and the steals are one factor. But pitching, hitting, and bad/stupid fielding are three bigger issues, and if at least two of those clear up I think we’ll see a different team. If not then, well, the season is not going to be much fun. So it goes. We’re spoiled anyhow.

    SF April 21, 2010, 9:22 am
  • I’m afraid Kid ’66 is finished. He’s probably good enough to still pitch but the catching kills him. Kevin Cash at least made it somewhat difficult on runners. Now Wake has to be perfect and a knuckleball doesn’t lend itself to perfection. Given the state of the Sox pen, Wake is a fine bullpen arm. But you can’t bring him in with runners on base. So he’s a mop up guy once Dice-K returns.
    I do think the Sox pitching will recover. But V-Mart isn’t helping at all and it isn’t just the running games since Varitek is just as bad there. In 2009, Sox pitchers:
    to Varitek: .256/.324/.406 = .730
    to VMartnz: .278/.351/.455 = .806
    One solution might be to give Varitek the starting job again and make VMart the DH.
    I’m on record saying I think the Sox will still win 90 games. And I do. But that will largely be the pitching finding something close to its true form.
    By the way, I finally caught Gammo on NESN last night. Glad to see his inner fandom is finally unleashed. He was grinning ear-to-ear and looked like this guy:
    http://www.numberninethegallery.com/artists/200512171811_christopher_lloyd.jpg

    Paul from Waltham April 21, 2010, 9:36 am
  • “The baserunners suck, but the steals are trickle-down from awful pitching.”
    Not really. Tim Lincecum – the best pitcher in the game IMHO – puts one runner an inning on base. With the Sox’ current catching, that means he’d face one runner almost every inning in scoring position. I don’t see how pitchers can’t be rattled by that. The 2010 Sox catchers are not just bad. They’re historically bad.
    “I hardly think Josh Beckett is pitching poorly because he isn’t sure that Victor can throw out a potential baserunner. He’s worked with terrible catchers before, he will do so continually, and he has not failed as a pitcher.”
    Surely you don’t think it’s that black and white. Posada has never been a great catcher and his pitchers do just fine even as they do worse with him. Catcher is a top-3 defensive position for a damn good reason. They touch the ball more than any other position player – as much as the pitcher but also fielding a base. I simply can’t believe that every single analyst who lauded the Sox for their defense missed this obvious, and critical, flaw. There’s no amount of understating that. The worst part is the Sox have no backup plan and anyone they acquire – like Mike Napoli – is all-hit too. Good defensive catchers who hit enough are at a premium for a very important reason.
    “three bigger issues”
    Francona and upper management needs to be somewhere in there. Ortiz should have been platooned in 2008. The outfield DL dance has been awful. Bill Hall in CF. Lowell not getting enough at-bats. The list goes on. Ellsbury in LF. Add to that the catching situation and this is not a well-constructed team.

    Paul from Waltham April 21, 2010, 9:48 am
  • joe mauer ain’t walkin’ through that door…

    dc April 21, 2010, 11:31 am

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