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This has certainly been a busy day on YFSF — 365 comments, which includes game threads, ARod rumors and Shea Hillenbrand… Despite all that chatter, we’ve missed some news that actually has some bearing on our two clubs:

  1. Alex Rodriguez is still playing for the Yankees. At least for now.
  2. Octabio Dotel is not — and might not be for the remainder of the season. The Yanks are considering shutting the injured reliever down after cutting his rehab assignment short because of arm soreness. The Yanks did get good news about Matsui (possible BP within days) and Cano.
  3. Tim Wakefield, as expected, went on the DL with a broken rib. He’s out at least three weeks. Sox’ starters for the first two games of their West Coast swing: "Kyle Snyder" and "TBA." Greeeaat.
  4. The Indians traded closer Bob Wickman to the Braves for a minor-league catcher, which begs the question: How far has Kelly Shoppach’s star fallen?
  5. Yankee fans, welcome to the hell that is facing Vernon Wells.
  6. Finally, Buster Olney is reporting — as relayed by Baseball Tonight — that the Red Sox are in talks with the Padres to trade Mike Lowell for pitching. Also, check out this stripped-down version of ESPN.com’s Rumor Central, which not only lists Lowell but Hillenbrand with a headline of "Boston common?" (Possible scenario: Sox trade Lowell for Peavy or Chris Young, move Youk to third, get Hillenbrand at first — this is not an unpleasant thought).
23 comments… add one
  • 7. The BoSox and ChiSox now have identical records, thus upping the chances that Tito’s team makes it to the postseason.

    Hudson July 20, 2006, 11:47 pm
  • P.S. Trade Lowell? Horrible idea.

    Hudson July 20, 2006, 11:47 pm
  • Isn’t Shea kind of a dick who burned lots of bridges on his way out of Boston? And trading a GG-caliber 3B for a pitcher who’s been mediocre this season (Peavy)…?

    yankeemonkey July 20, 2006, 11:51 pm
  • Hi, outsider looking in here…
    If Lowell is traded to the Padres for Jake Peavy, they should build a statue of Epstein taking off his gorilla suit outside of Fenway Park, and show Kevin Towers the door in San Diego. If there is an opportunity to trade a 32 year old 3B with replaceable offensive output for a young strikeout artist experiencing the first difficulty of his career, you do it.

    Blue July 21, 2006, 12:06 am
  • But I’ve developed an unhealthy man-crush on Lowell!
    (I like doubles).

    bardp July 21, 2006, 12:09 am
  • Blue is completely correct. If the Padres trade Peavy, one of the best young pitchers in baseball, for Mike Lowell, Kevin Towers should be considered a saint in New England.

    Nick-YF July 21, 2006, 12:11 am
  • I haven’t checked the standings – are the Pods in contention still? If so, why would they trade their ace (even though he’s kinda sucked this season)? Seems like it would make more sense for them to get Hillenbrand, no?

    Anonymous July 21, 2006, 12:20 am
  • Oh wait, I just remembered that I read somewhere that Arod was traded today too. I guess I shouldn’t get excited yet.

    bardp July 21, 2006, 12:30 am
  • I want the A-Rod circus to stop….

    yankeemonkey July 21, 2006, 12:54 am
  • Trade Lowell? Yes. Hillenbrand knows Boston, and Terry Francona is the kind of manager that will make Hillenbrands so called “cancer” in the clubhouse disappear. But hell with moving Youk to third. Make Hillenbrand play third. Youk is a better first baseman, plus he’s used to it, while Hillenbrand was prostituting himself at third, first and dh to get playing time. Trust me, I love the way Lowell plays. The last I heard, the Sox wouldn’t get Peavy or Young. But I am also a huge Peavy guy, and if he is available, I’d even send “minor-league hall-of-fame” Abe Alvarez along for sex appeal. Pull a John Lennon for a second, Schill, Beckett and Peavy. Need I say anymore?

    Jon July 21, 2006, 1:29 am
  • 1) The Padres would never trade Peavy unless they got a deal that floored them. Kevin Towers is not an idiot.
    2) Shea Hillenbrand burned all his bridges in Boston when he was traded to Arizona. No way in hell he’s coming back here.
    3) Trading a slick fielding 3B with a decent stick? When we have a shortage of corner infielders in our organization? Makes no sense. I think this rumor is pure bunk.

    mouse July 21, 2006, 1:52 am
  • Must the fact that the lowest common denominator of my team’s fanbase and the media, national and local, are combining to drive one the best players ever out of town be compounded by the Sox making smart moves and utilizing their depth? What new hell is this?

    tom yf July 21, 2006, 3:05 am
  • Buster Olney is peddling the Yankees FO rumor garbage again, trying to get in someone’s head in the Sox’ clubhouse. I imagine the source for this rumor was someone with a 718 area code, not anyone from either the Sox or Padres. Just do a little deconstruction of this “rumor” and you’ll see that it doesn’t work for the Padres for any reason (uh, why not just trade scraps for Hillenbrand instead of your BEST YOUNG PITCHER for Lowell?) and Hillenbrand, as mouse said, burned bridges. Come on.

    SF July 21, 2006, 6:56 am
  • This is the same Olney who also said Cincy would pull of a trade this year that was “bigger than A-Rod.” They did pull off a trade, but who knew Austin Kearns is so big?
    Anyway, don’t be shooting the messenger. I’m just reporting what’s been reported.
    I will say, though, if you had told me last year we’d get a high-quality player like Loretta for a backup catcher during the offseason, I’d have said much of what people are saying about this deal…

    Paul SF July 21, 2006, 9:02 am
  • first of all, i hate shea hillenbrand. i hate him to the point where i cannot be objective about what he might bring to the team on the field.
    second of all, trading mike lowell would be a terrible, terrible thing to do to the best infield in baseball. it seems like it would be a wanton waste of our team’s best asset.
    third of all, you’re going to get rid of a class guy like mike lowell for a total piece of shit like hillenbrand? bye bye stability in the clubhouse.
    anyway i hate the trading deadline. my least favorite part of the season.

    beth July 21, 2006, 9:14 am
  • I don’t see this happenening with Shea Hillenbrand on the market. This must be a rumor to drive the price of Hillenbrand down before he is shipped to San Diego. Why would the Padres trade for Lowell + Player X for Peavy or Young, when Hillenbrand is on the market.
    -Beth, I love the trading deadline, because I can waste time at work talking about a trade that will never happen.

    Anonymous July 21, 2006, 9:27 am
  • I posted the above comment, and here is a comparison
    Lowell
    .297 .347 .504 12HR 50RBI
    Shea
    .301 .342 .480 12HR 39RBI
    I understand Lowell plays better defense, and isn’t a clubhouse problem, but the Sox asking price will be tremendously higher than the BJs (i.e. Peavy Young)

    NeffSox July 21, 2006, 9:32 am
  • Also, I think one thing Paul pointed out that we are really overlooking here is Octavio Dotel. Hes had great stuff over the past few years, and would of been a major part of the yanks’ pen down the stretch. Now they have to keep throwing Farnsworth/Beam/Erickson/even Chacon who I believe was warming before Leche’s walkoff. I think this is pretty big news being overlooked, and could be followed up with some more of that ARod/Leche for Abreu/Burrell/Gordon or Jeter/Giambi straight up for Gagne talk, or whatever other crazy rumors come up

    NeffSox July 21, 2006, 9:52 am
  • Possible scenario: Sox trade Lowell for Peavy or Chris Young, move Youk to third, get Hillenbrand at first — this is not an unpleasant thought.
    Huh? Whatever you’re smoking, send me some, would you?
    We have the best infield in baseball. Why muck it up for a pitcher with a losing record and an ERA over 4.5 — in the NATIONAL LEAGUE?

    The Triumphant Red Sox Fan July 21, 2006, 10:18 am
  • Why muck it up for a pitcher with a losing record and an ERA over 4.5 — in the NATIONAL LEAGUE?
    1. Peavy is only 25, he is one of the best young pitchers in all of baseball, having an off year.
    2. He was first in the NL in strikeouts last year (216), 1st in the NL in ERA in 2004 (2.27). Has Career numbers of 3.54 ERA .239 BAA 1.26 WHIP…and he is only 25.
    I don’t know why you would want to add another young pitcher to your rotation, who has better stuff than 4/5 of your current rotation (minus Schill of course), this would be a good move to just downgrade the defense while saving some money, but it isn’t a good move for the Padres, when they could trade for Shea for much less

    NeffSox July 21, 2006, 10:46 am
  • I don’t see why we’re so concerned with ‘GG-cliber defense” all of a sudden. When Gonzo wasn’t hitting, we were begging for Cora to be replacing him, despite his GG-cliber defense. If Lowell wasn’t hitting well, we wouldn’t give a crap how well he caught the ball… It’s great to have a great defense, but it’s not as important as having more than three reliable starting pitchers. Lowell tends to tail off dramatically in the second half, he’s not in the Sox’ long-range plans, and he’s the best player the Sox have who can bring a quality arm in return.
    Is that arm is Peavy? probably not. Peavy is one of the best pitchers in the NL, this year’s struggles aside, and even then, his peripheral numbers are much better than his ERA would indicate. Few people doubt that he wouldn’t have many problems adjusting to AL baseball… The Padres will want a lot of propects for him, if they’re smart. And he’s still cheap and young, so they don’t have much of a need to move him in the first place.
    As for Hillenbrand, the “clubhouse cancer” term is one that is applied liberally and without full understanding of the situation involved. Clearly, Gibbons is not exactly a good manager of personalities. We all know Francona is. Whether he burned bridges here isn’t much of a concern, considering the large majority of the team has turned over since Hillenbrand was traded in 2003.
    That’s my take It’s a su[portable trade, imo, but not a realistic one. Peavy or Young and Klesko for Lowell and Edgar Marinez would be a heartbeat trade — as in “do it in a heartbeat.” The Padres aren’t idiots though. It’s highly unlikely…

    Paul SF July 21, 2006, 10:48 am
  • Plus his 9.96 K/9 this year easily beats out the whole rest of our pitching staff. Its like having another Beckett (who is also struggling) for a slight downgrade in defense.

    NeffSox July 21, 2006, 10:50 am
  • I liked the Arod trade rumor more than this, and I think both rumors are equally likely, as in 0%.

    Tom sf July 21, 2006, 2:21 pm

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