For The 200th Time

For those of you that have been counting:

“Joba is a bullpen guy, for the 200th time.” –Brian Cashman, via @PeterBotte

It gets better.  Wait, why did I write ‘better’?  I meant worse.  Botte also tweeted:

Cashman admitted he had “several discussions” with agent for Pavano.

Well, at least I don’t feel bad about missing breakfast anymore.

12 comments… add one

  • Cripes I am so bored of this off season. Plus who doesn’t like a laugh at the expense of the Yankees – I would pay money right around now to see a big splashy headline about Pavano signing a long deal with NY. It would perk up a looooong gray January.

    rootbeerfloat January 19, 2011, 1:19 pm
  • What about the 201st time? It’s always the 201st time when someone changes their mind.
    Also, aren’t Cashman’s pants still on fire from the Soriano incident? When did he find time to put them out?
    ;-)

    SF January 19, 2011, 1:25 pm
  • Maybe I am not hungry because I just read overcooked waffles for breakfast.

    attackgerbil January 19, 2011, 1:48 pm
  • Very funny, SF.

    Brad January 19, 2011, 2:00 pm
  • Seriously. I consider the Yankees a smartly run organization, but this Joba business defies logic and reason.
    Yes, his velocity dipped as a starter. Yes, he wasn’t as effective. Yes, that happens to pretty much every pitcher in the game when they move from relief to the rotation.
    Joba was still moderately effective, enough so that you could easily project improvement and see him as a No. 2/3 starter, especially in the Yankees’ current rotation. Don’t get me wrong; I’m thrilled that Chamberlain will be wasted in a role that will provide no more than a third of the value he would likely have as a starter. But it just baffles me. The Yankees have three question marks in their starting rotation, and they are adamant that their potentially third-best starter will throw 70-80 innings next year.

    Paul SF January 19, 2011, 2:34 pm
  • ditto.

    Brad January 19, 2011, 2:37 pm
  • RBF, that’s fine we were laughing at you guys for years ;) Everything is cyclical.
    Cashman flat out says the idea of signing Soriano was not his, nor did he support it. “Its not my team. I don’t own it. They do…In any job you better be prepared for every decision to not go your way.” So in essence he did not lie, he was simply forced by his boss to make the move.
    As for Joba, I honestly believe that if they won’t make him a SP now, then there’s something deeper. I am thinking it has to do with the health of his arm. Otherwise what possible sensible reasoning could the Yankees provide as to why they wouldn’t even entertain the idea of letting him compete for a spot in ST?

    John - YF January 19, 2011, 2:37 pm
  • Maybe they’re leaving Joba in the pen to increase his value before July?
    I mean, if they start him, he basically goes from scratch (again) and does nothing to increase his value this year ( a year they’ll most likely need him to be a valuable piece/bait).
    Or, maybe they feel they can get everything they’re gonna get from Joba from one of the younger guys at this point?

    Brad January 19, 2011, 2:41 pm
  • Could be, but why not work the sensible way as far as conditioning goes? Head into ST saying Joba is going to be allowed to compete for the rotation, stretch him out, build up his arm. He competes and let’s say Mitre (gulp!) was better and wins the spot, just move Joba to the pen. If you do it this way you are committing to Joba being a RP (barring a trip to Scranton for 3-4+ weeks) for the entire season. It just makes more sense to let the guy compete and stretch him out in ST. I am telling you I just have a gut (insert fat joke here) feeling about this, there’s something more to it. You have Soriano, you have Robertson (who they trust more and think highly of), they have Logan and they have Feliciano. Joba is going to be buried in that mix he’s your 5th option vs competing to your 4th or 5th best SP? Just my opinion.

    John - YF January 19, 2011, 2:48 pm
  • > Yes, his velocity dipped as a starter. Yes, he wasn’t as effective. Yes, that happens to pretty much every pitcher in the game when they move from relief to the rotation.
    I agree with everything you said, Paul, but you left out the part where the Yankees MOVED him to relief in the majors out of his starter role in the minors where he showed that he may be a prodigy: they UN-MADE him a starter in 2007 because of the fact that they couldn’t fit him in between the likes of “better starters” Darrell Rasner, Tyler Clippard, Matt DeSalvo, Kei Igawa, and you might as well throw Phil Hughes in there, but the Yanks greedily sacrificed the long-term so they could have his juice in the pen because the Yankees had no dazzling middle relief man to clean up after all that mediocrity. Like you, I am flummoxed, and in my case, a bit put-off.

    attackgerbil January 19, 2011, 2:49 pm
  • all this agreement is getting boring guys…start joba or trade him
    “…I would pay money right around now to see a big splashy headline about Pavano signing a long deal with NY….”
    christmas is over rbf…the only way the yanks sign that porn-stache is if he agrees to a 1 year minimum salary contract with a small incentive if he pitches at least 150 innings…the twinkies can have him

    dc January 19, 2011, 4:58 pm
  • Cashman apparently said the Yanks wanted to sign him to a one-year, high-salary deal, but the Twins came in and offered the second year. Pavano apparently was interested in returning.
    Interestingly, Cashman said the Yankees also would have been interested only if they could have avoided giving up the draft pick (in other words, getting another team to sign him and then trade him to the Yanks).
    Which is funny because Pavano would arguably give the Yankees just as much, if not more, value as the guy for whom they actually DID give up the pick.

    Paul SF January 19, 2011, 5:13 pm

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