Going Out on a High Note

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Yesterday was pretty ugly, but the Bombers took care of business today thanks to Alex Rodriguez and his crazy 7-rbi-in-1-inning performance. Probably best not the best idea to walk the bases loaded to face a guy who's already hit a three run shot in the same inning. Who will the Yanks face? The Tigers blew their big lead and will thus take on the Twins in a 1-game playoff for the privilege of coming to the Bronx. I know there's a lot of fear of Verlander and the Tigers, who knocked the Yanks out of the playoffs in 07, but watch out for those Twinkies, who have a run scoring differential of +51. The Tigers are -1. So maybe they're the fluke. Debate it here. 

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  • You know, it’s too bad A-Rod had a shortened season.
    At the pace he was at, had he played the full season he’d have finished with 130 RBI and 39 HR, topping the AL in both categories*. As it is, he’s finishing 5th in OBP, 11th in SLG, and 6th in OPS.
    Now, obviously Mauer will and should win the MVP. But considering all the talk Teixeira has gotten, largely because of his counting stats, it’s worth noting that A-Rod was actually on pace to match or beat them.
    *RBI and HR don’t measure player value, etc etc, blah blah blah.

    Rex Manning Day October 4, 2009, 8:20 pm
  • Who cares about 7 RBI in one inning, meaningless stat…
    Here’s to a 20 inning game between the tigers and the twins on tuesday, bring on the winner regardless of who.

    sam-YF October 4, 2009, 8:25 pm
  • Fluke or not, the Minnesota Twins have a bad starting staff that will be even worse now that they’re pitching their best guy in a one-game playoff on Tuesday. Francisco Liriano, he of the 5+ ERA, is slated to start Game 1.
    Yes, the Twins have a better lineup (even without Morneau) and a much better bullpen than the Tigers, but they don’t have that one great equalizer, Justin Verlander, who would be the scariest starting pitcher on any postseason staff this year.
    Give me the Twins.

    AndrewYF October 4, 2009, 9:04 pm
  • The Rays walked Teix to keep him from overtaking Pena in the ’09 HR race. A-Rod took the opportunity to set a new record for RBIs in an inning and to collect the 2 HRs and 7 RBIs he needed to set another record as the only player to reach the 30/100 mark in 13 seasons. One of the many knocks on A-Rod is that he is too personal-stats conscious. That may be true and in the grand scheme of things what sam says is true – the stats from inning 6 of a meaningless game are also meaningless. But it was pretty cool to observe nonetheless and it leaves the Yanks with another high-note from a seasons full of them.
    As for what really matters, yes – bring on the twins. Be careful who you wish in the playoffs blah-blah-blah – facing Verlander twice in a 5-game series is enough reason to root for Minnesota, quite apart from the Yanks’ undefeated record against them in ’09.

    IronHorse October 4, 2009, 11:55 pm
  • I actually thought it was pretty damn cool myself IH. I was making an ill-advised reference to the recent thread with much commentary on the value of the RBI. If A-Rod was able to hit 2 HRs simply to pad his stats and reach the 30/100 plateau, he is considerably more talented than I thought he was! May he continue on for the next 4 weeks…

    sam-YF October 5, 2009, 12:01 am
  • Anyone watch Saturday Night Live the other night? They had a great joke:
    “The New York Post is reporting that Kate Hudson is pregnant with Yankees star Alex Rodriguez’ child. If true this will be the first time ARod has ever produced anything in October.”

    Atheose October 5, 2009, 9:53 am
  • sam: “…I actually thought it was pretty damn cool myself IH. I was making an ill-advised reference to the recent thread with much commentary on the value of the RBI…”
    me: yeah sam, but if he had struck out twice in the same meaningless inning of a meaningless game, we’d be having a long-winded snoozefest about how the october travails continue for this overpaid bum…but then again, the yankees can afford to overpay for this irrelevant production…so forget the hrs and rbi’s, do we know what his efforts did to improve his ops and vorp?…i hear he can eat the most pumpkin seeds on the team too…
    what’s up with the italics?…i didn’t use them

    dc October 5, 2009, 12:20 pm
  • basically A-Rod will need to hit 1.000 this fall to satisfy some of his critics…even if he does that he’d still take some crap for “settling” for a walk in some big situation

    sam-YF October 5, 2009, 12:43 pm
  • yeah sam, but if he had struck out twice in the same meaningless inning of a meaningless game, we’d be having a long-winded snoozefest about how the october travails continue for this overpaid bum…but then again, the yankees can afford to overpay for this irrelevant production…so forget the hrs and rbi’s, do we know what his efforts did to improve his ops and vorp?…i hear he can eat the most pumpkin seeds on the team too…
    No one can play the martyr quite like you can, DC.
    But, really, the accomplishment that inning from the hitter’s perspective was what he himself did — post a 4.000 slugging percentage in two at bats in one inning, which is very rare.
    Though I’m curious why you feel A-Rod, or any other hitter, should get tons of credit for those men being on base. Did he wave his hand and tell the Rays’ pitchers, “You will put these baserunners on ahead of me.”
    Let me put it this way: If both those home runs had been solo shots, A-Rod’s performance in my book would have been no less impressive, despite only compiling two RBI. Apparently, DC, you would have found it only 28 percent as impressive?

    Paul SF October 5, 2009, 1:00 pm
  • If ARod keeps this up…we are in real, real, real, real, real good shape for the postseason. Master of the obvious?

    krueg reincarnate October 5, 2009, 1:03 pm
  • basically A-Rod will need to hit 1.000 this fall to satisfy some of his critics…even if he does that he’d still take some crap for “settling” for a walk in some big situation
    Nah…
    .500
    5 HR’s
    12 RBI’s would work for me
    ;)

    krueg reincarnate October 5, 2009, 1:05 pm
  • A-Rod knew exactly what he needed to reach the 30/100 plateau. The first time he came up he was sure it would be his last AB of the regular season. The second time he came up he HAD to know that a GS – and only a GS – woudl allow him to keep his streak alive. As much pressure or anywhere near as important as team-orietned goals like advancing in the post-season? Not at all. But the fact is he knew what he needed and there is no doubt he was trying for it. I just think it is pretty crazy that these facts alone did not lead to utter failure. It’s not the kind of thing you are supposed to pull off when you are trying. on the contrary.
    On a broader point, A-Rod’s counting stats this year are almost unbelievable given the fact that he missed 38 games due to surgery and that he was then slumping horribly (in BA though not in SLG) due to being played without rest for more than a month by Girardi.
    On top of which, I don’t know how to look it up now, but an impressive percentage of his HRs resulted in the the Yankees tying or taking the lead in close games. And that, Paul, is more impressive to me than him hitting HRs in blow out losses or wins.

    IronHorse October 5, 2009, 1:14 pm
  • “…No one can play the martyr quite like you can, DC…. ”
    i’ve learned a lot from coming here paul…
    “…I’m curious why you feel A-Rod, or any other hitter, should get tons of credit for those men being on base….”
    “…Let me put it this way: If both those home runs had been solo shots, A-Rod’s performance in my book would have been no less impressive, despite only compiling two RBI. Apparently, DC, you would have found it only 28 percent as impressive?…”
    let me try to knock down those 2 straw men:
    of course he doesn’t “get credit” for the mere happenstance of men on base…nobody is saying that he should…but, he does get tons of criticism for not delivering in those “clutch” RISP situations, albeit these were in a meaningless game, and there’s apparently no stat that measures clutch, although i appreciate IH’s humorous attempt to create that pressure for arod…even hitting your 2 hypothetical solo shots he could still have been criticized, especially if he had failed in the same game with men on base, and not being more helpful to his team, or more “clutch”…i’m not saying that’s right per se, it’s just that you can’t take your stats in isolation…the game circumstances, and the results produced by those stats should be considered as well…a grand slam counts for more runs than a solo shot, even though you value them the same from an individual player’s perspective…this isn’t golf, it’s still a team game, and the combination of individual efforts wins games…i’ll say this again too so it’s not misconstrued…i don’t have a love affair with rbi…no stat in isolation is worth a damn, including won/loss…without some context, like how the other teams did, it doesn’t matter…
    i don’t want to get into the whole rbi debate with you again…even bill james used rbi as a component in his “run’s produced” formula, which you used along with raw rbi count in your case for why rice should be in the hall of fame:
    http://www.yfsf.org/2007/11/rice-is-nice.html
    some stats don’t matter, ’til they matter…

    dc October 5, 2009, 2:08 pm
  • He also needed three doubles to hit 20 for the 14th consecutive season. Choker!
    I’m home sick from work so I’ve got time:
    15 of A-Rod’s 30 homers tied the game or gave the Yankees the lead, compared to:
    9 of 35 in 2008
    22 of 54 in 2007
    14 of 35 in 2006
    19 of 48 in 2005
    18 of 36 in 2004
    Compared to David Ortiz, who fell two homers short of 30 and 1 RBI short of 100 despite his own two-month leave of absence:
    14 of 28 in 2009
    11 of 23 in 2008
    17 of 35 in 2007
    32 of 54 in 2006
    21 of 47 in 2005
    23 of 41 in 2004
    I don’t know what the league average is (or how to find that off hand), but 50% does strike me as a very impressive percentage of home runs to either be game-tying or -changing home runs.
    That said, I just don’t have any idea how unusual it is. A-Rod did it in 2004, despite his oh-so-unclutch reputation. Then there’s Ortiz, who also did it this year, and neared or topped 50% every year but 2005. And in 2006, good grief. Thirty-two home runs that tied the game or put the Sox ahead, nearly 60% of all his homers.

    Paul SF October 5, 2009, 2:26 pm
  • didn’t know this discussion was a comparison of arod to ortiz…the theo-stat-twist-koolaid you enjoy is working…you got the bait and switch down…but, alas, you actually proved my point…taking stats, like hr’s, in isolation and out of context is inconclusive at best…ortiz’s timing for suckiness wasn’t good, so that hurt the perception of him, while his overall stats weren’t all that bad for a power, no average, hitter…despite his rough spots he still slugged .462, and ops’d .794…not bad for a guy with 28/99 and on the downslope of his career…and he produced more runs that drew: 148 to 128…even with his “two-month leave of absence” he played 150 games this season paul…explain that math…by the way arod had 148 in 124 games…oopsy

    dc October 5, 2009, 8:35 pm
  • Wow, DC. I made the comparison because I thought it would be fun, without any idea of what the numbers would show. IH and I were having a good natured, even-handed conversation. He made an observation he thought was interesting, and I did too.
    The fact that you can twist this to fit your predetermined view of me and the site is unsurprising, but saddening nonetheless.

    Paul SF October 7, 2009, 12:59 am
  • paul, your exchange with IH may have been good natured and even-handed, but the exchanges between you and me were not…in fact, most times they’re not…you want to blame me and i want to blame you, so that’s how it goes i guess…i find many of your comments to be what you guys would refer to as snarky…and i’m sure you feel the same way about me…those rbi debates on the drew and arod threads, for example, were borderline ridiculous…it riled me because even in the face of evidence to the contrary, including some provided by you in the past, you persisted, without even acknowleging that there might be another way of looking at it…instead, i got sarcasm and straw men…the topper was when other sf’s piled on…there was never a response from any of you to the evidence, just attempts to make me look like a fool and belittle my opinion…that’s fine, i’m a big boy, and i want to believe if you guys can dish it, you can take it…that’s why i have mixed emotions about this site…i enjoy coming here…it’s refreshing to have this intelligent, thought provoking offering when so many others out there are populated by knuckle-dragging neanderthals, and that’s why i find it so troubling when our discussions devolve into that sort of thing…i do enjoy reading your posts paul, even though i poke at you about being too hung up on the minutia when it comes to stats…i admire your attention to detail, because i don’t have that patience, but i’m learning…one influence you’ve had on me is to start to look at other stuff when it comes to evaluating players…and generally your comments hit me the right way, but you and i just don’t seem to click sometimes…i’d like to think i have something to offer too, even if it’s not rooted in science, but more anecdotal and based on experiences, observation, and common knowledge…a blend of our philosophies is probably the most effective way to view the baseball world, without giving up the edginess from the occasional quality disagreement…that’s what i would like to see us get to…

    dc October 7, 2009, 8:37 am

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