Good News, Times Two (on paper, at least)

Manny’s back (and hitting second).

So is Kei Igawa.

We expect Manny to show some rust, and with Igawa you just never know, he could shine – look at what Jesse Litsch did yesterday. 

38 comments… add one
  • Manny hitting second? I guess.

    Brad September 25, 2007, 4:07 pm
  • Probably to get as many at-bats as possible before pulling him from the field as early as possible.

    SF September 25, 2007, 4:12 pm
  • Thanks for that wonderful news SF, I am headed down to the liquor store right now.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 25, 2007, 4:12 pm
  • Or, maybe to show Lowell some respect for doing a very adequate job, and ensure Manny sees good pitches to hit. Actually when you think about it, the bases could be occupied all night.
    Either way, whatever he gives them is a plus, but I’m not jumping back on the wagon.

    Brad September 25, 2007, 4:24 pm
  • I seriously doubt it’s to show Lowell respect, but rather to get him as many at-bats in as short an appearance as is possible. If Manny gets three at-bats in four or five innings because the Sox are pounding, I imagine he will be pulled right there. I bet this has zero to do with Lowell.

    SF September 25, 2007, 4:26 pm
  • Yeah, you’re probably right. But I will say this, Francona should try to keep Ellsbury in the lineup until he’s not, I ‘dunno, HITTING .380 and STEALING BAGS AT WILL.

    Brad September 25, 2007, 4:30 pm
  • Normally, I try to stay away from directing anyone with a pulse to dirt dogs, but clips from the new Sports Illustrated (with Papelbon on the cover) are over there, and it seems as if it’s going to be a good read; fairly informative on what goes into Tito’s decision to use him from night to night.

    Brad September 25, 2007, 5:04 pm
  • How’s Ellsbury as a right fielder?

    Hudson September 25, 2007, 5:16 pm
  • Conventional wisdom is that he’d be fine, range-wise, but that his arm isn’t strong enough. I have no idea if this is the case having seen only Ellsbury’s major league appearances. But that’s the reasoning behind him being in left and center.

    SF September 25, 2007, 5:19 pm
  • oh how i hate Kei Igawa
    sigh.

    Sam-YF September 25, 2007, 5:20 pm
  • There’s just way too much reverse-mojo here for Kei Igawa from YFs. We can’t let this stand.
    Igawa will likely be awesome. Yesterday’s pitching performance from Litsch should have taught you a lesson, right?

    SF September 25, 2007, 5:22 pm
  • How’s Ellsbury as a right fielder?
    I’m sure that he’s got sufficient range, but I don’t think his arm good enough. But I’d rather have Ellsbury sub for Coco anyways – Drew’s quietly put up a .953 OPS this month, versus Coco’s .697.

    Tyrel SF September 25, 2007, 5:24 pm
  • Drew’s quietly put up a .953 OPS this month, versus Coco’s .697.
    Right. I still am angry about all the Drew-hate out there.

    SF September 25, 2007, 5:25 pm
  • I’m no math whiz, but does the 2-spot really increase Manny’s chances of getting a lot of early at-bats that much more than batting third?
    A back-of-the-envelope analysis (highly scientific, I know) says to me that he’s likely to get three at bats through 5 at best and through 6 at worst either way.
    That’s using a guesstimate of the Sox averaging 4.5 plate appearances per inning tonight.

    Hudson September 25, 2007, 5:25 pm
  • Didn’t mean to echo you SF (re: Ellsbury’s arm), it took a minute for me to research Drew v Coco…

    Tyrel SF September 25, 2007, 5:25 pm
  • I realize this probably isn’t/shouldn’t be how they’re thinking about this, but let’s say it is the 6th/7th, a close game, and Manny were batting 4th (he wouldn’t be batting 3rd anyway). DP, and Papi both reach base. How much harder is it to pull him at that point to make sure he doesn’t overdo it in his first night back, than if DP walked in front of him and Papi-Lowell were coming up? At that point, PH Ellsbury is an easy and unassailable decision, no matter the score.
    Maybe I’m not getting my idea across correctly, but to me, they’re less likely to get hammered for pulling him early in front of Ortiz and Lowell than if he were batting behind one or more of them.

    QuoSF September 25, 2007, 5:30 pm
  • So Drew puts up one decent month and all of a sudden he’s shut people up? Shoot he had a .963 OPS in June (after a .552 OPS in May) and followed that up with a .625 OPS in July.
    He has a long way to go, at least in my eyes.

    Pete September 25, 2007, 5:30 pm
  • Drew’s had some big hits this month. During the Saturday affair against the Yankees he had the single biggest hit of the game, a beautiful opposite-field single against Wang that was the go-ahead and eventual winning run. Still, the fans blasted him when he struck out with the team up 8-1 and the bases loaded. It’s pathetic, the way fans have treated him, in my opinion.
    He’s not been great by any measure, but he plays hard from what I can tell, he’s been producing as of late, and he’s had an excruciating personal situation all season to boot, one that I can’t fathom how it might impact performance. I am saying this as someone who wasn’t even that excited about Drew’s signing.
    So I kind of wish people would shut up about him, yeah.

    SF September 25, 2007, 5:37 pm
  • I’m not claiming Drew’s worth 15 per, but is he better than Coco offensively? Absolutely.

    Tyrel SF September 25, 2007, 5:40 pm
  • By your own count, he’s actually put up two decent months, Pete. Add in April, and he’s got three. Add in the great defense he provides even when he’s bad at the plate, and it gets better. Certainly not the cost of his contract, but not the reason the Sox struggled this past week either.
    I’m with SF and Tyrel, after some initial wavering last month. Drew has always been streaky — but his hitting has put Coco Crisp’s (one good month this season, period) to shame.

    Paul SF September 25, 2007, 6:08 pm
  • Kei Igawa???? Seriously???? Man he sucks…may have to wait another day to celebrate the playoffs. Unless we score 15 runs…

    krueg September 25, 2007, 6:12 pm
  • What are you talking about Paul? Drew had .769 OPS in April. For a RF, that’s horrid.
    Here’s his breakdown this year, by month:
    Apr: .769
    May: .552
    Jun: .963
    Jul: .625
    Aug: .787
    Sep: .953
    He was signed to be a .300/.400/.500, and he hit that for exactly one-third of the year. That’s terrible. And the comp to Coco is absurd.
    Rather , I compare him directly to Abreu. Not only because they play the same position (about the same career range factor and RATE too) and are the same type hitters, but because the Sox passed up the chance to get Abreu so they could sign Drew for an additional 50 million.
    Abreu by month – 2007:
    Apr: .840
    May: .902
    Jun: .957
    Jul: .876
    Aug: .956
    Sep: .916
    That’s streaky. Drew by comparison is simply atrocious with flashes of expectations.

    Pete September 25, 2007, 6:28 pm
  • For the record, don’t let your eyes fool you. Abreu and Drew are almost exactly the same in the field. Where Drew seems to have just a bit more range in his career (actually down this year, probably because of Fenway and Coco), Abreu has the better arm (i.e, more assists) throughout his career.

    Pete September 25, 2007, 6:34 pm
  • The comp to Coco is not absurd – it arose because someone (Hudson?) hinted at sitting Drew in favor of Ellsbury – I stated I’d rather bench Coco than Drew. It’s pretty clear of the Jacoby, Drew, and Coco, Coco is the weakest link.

    Tyrel SF September 25, 2007, 6:35 pm
  • Okay, fair enough. Yes, sit Coco in favor of Jells. But I highly doubt they’ll do that.
    But putting this way – Drew is the much bigger disappointment. Coco does play plus defense and his bat carries his position. Drew does neither – not this year at least. Another way to look at it: Drew is much further off from his career averages (-.118 OPS) than Coco is from his (-.026 OPS).

    Pete September 25, 2007, 6:41 pm
  • My bad. I listed Abreu’s career monthly averages. Let me try that again –
    Drew by month – 2007:
    Apr: .769
    May: .552
    Jun: .963
    Jul: .625
    Aug: .787
    Sep: .953
    Average: .769
    Abreu by month – 2007:
    Apr: .668
    May: .541
    Jun: .870
    Jul: .972
    Aug: .969
    Sep: .872
    Average: .815

    Pete September 25, 2007, 6:46 pm
  • I doubt they’ll do it either, but I threw out the suggestion in case Tito came surfing by…
    And yes, given the expectations, Drew is a bigger disappointment. But he’s got the hot hand.

    Tyrel SF September 25, 2007, 6:49 pm
  • Crisp also has speed, which Drew doesn’t.

    Hudson September 25, 2007, 6:53 pm
  • Drew is fairly fast, I think, but of course he’s no Coco who is no Ellsbury.

    Devine September 25, 2007, 6:56 pm
  • Crisp is exceptionally fast in a sprint. That has not always translated into stolen bases, but it makes a difference in a tight spot if he’s on 2nd base…

    Hudson September 25, 2007, 7:03 pm
  • Coco has got wheels, no doubt, but it’s ability to get to 2nd base in the first place that I worry about.

    Tyrel SF September 25, 2007, 7:06 pm
  • Actually, it wasn’t 50 mil for Drew instead of Abreu, it wsa three minor leaguers plus Abreu’s 36 million vs. 75 mil for Drew. Oh, and the Sox didn’t need Abreu at the time, and were banged up, and their GM smartly assessed the team as beyond repair, and…I could go on and on. And I was one who thought Abreu a good target. But then I learned the cost, which you cleverly left out.
    With the way you scream about the Gagne deal, I can only imagine what would have been crazed whining had the Sox picked up Abreu for a doomed stretch run last year, Pete. You pick your fights with great convenience, that’s for sure.

    SF September 25, 2007, 7:08 pm
  • Don’t be silly, SF. The Yankees really did give up “nothing” for Abreu. Indeed, they gave up less than the Sox did for Gagne (whose pitched what, all of 16 innings?)! And it wasn’t 36 million for Abreu – it was:
    Yankees to pay salary remaining on Abreu’s contract (about $4.4M for 2006, $15M for 2007 and $16M salary or $2M buyout for 2008)
    I love Cot’s!
    The point is they knew they were going to need a RF. But then they didn’t want an uberteam, did they?

    Pete September 25, 2007, 7:17 pm
  • Sorry, I could have made it simpler for you:
    Abreu = $22 million (with buyout)
    Drew = $75 million
    Whoops – that’s a difference of $53 million. My bad!

    Pete September 25, 2007, 7:18 pm
  • Seriously, though, Pete, tell us how you *really* feel.

    Devine September 25, 2007, 7:20 pm
  • Who, me? :) Actually, I’m just hating the FO more and more these days. Buck’s misuse following Oki’s is really killing me. Of, course, I’ll promptly STFU if they make any noise in the post-season. But they’ve stopped being smart and started being lazy – probably because they’re printing money. And I can’t see anywhere where they’ll intelligently spend it this off-season.

    Pete September 25, 2007, 7:28 pm
  • I seem to remember being shocked at the time of the Abreu trade that the Yanks gave up so little. I don’t remember exactly what the Sox were going to have to give up, but I remember the Phils wanting more than some low-level prospects from the Sox, which is what the Yanks gave up (albeit one of them was a 1st rounder). It felt like a double standard.
    Sort of like how Yanks fan were pissed that the Rangers demanded either Kennedy or Joba for Gagne, and then were happy to flip him to the Sox for a couple major league extras and a kid that only Pete cares about.

    Tyrel SF September 25, 2007, 7:33 pm
  • I heard at the time that the Sox wanted Philly to eat more salary.
    Meanwhile, it’s not just me that cares about Beltre. In case you haven’t heard, BaseballAmerica just rated him as the 2nd best prospects in his league – i.e one of the very best 17 year old in all of baseball.

    Pete September 25, 2007, 7:38 pm

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