by SF on April 28, 2007 at 7:22 am in
The Media · 10 comments
perfect post sf…says it all without saying a word…i can’t readily remember an uglier stretch of yankee baseball…actually, i can, but it’s been a long time, and i’ve been able to repress those memories…sooner or later, my excuse for the yanks that it’s early, no need to panic, will stop making any sense…i’m not quick to throw in the towel, but i am holding it in my hand and starting my windup…
dc April 28, 2007 at 8:02 am
Well, dc, the thing is that the team is isn’t really hitting: 20 innings without an extra base hit? That’s crazy considering the firepower. So I expect the offense will start making up for the pitching. But will the pitching come around, that’s the biggest question. Along with whether or not the bullpen is being irreparably harmed by all this early usage. The schedule lightens for the Yankees a little, Moose is coming back, Wang has returned, and the team will get out of it’s funk soon, so there’s just no reason to think about bailing out. I imagine Cash will have to make a move for a solid setup man, that could be the big trade for the Yankees this year.
SF April 28, 2007 at 8:07 am
This may be a dumb question, but why does Torre so rarely keep any of his relievers in for more than an inning?
If the Yankee starters tend to go 4-5 at most, and each reliever is good for only 2-3 outs, then it is inevitable that he’s going to use six pitchers nightly.
Seems to me he’d be better off gritting his teeth, not playing matchups so closely, and going with a reliever for a couple innings at a time… so that each night he’s got a couple of gusys rested.
As it is, emptying the pen nightly has a cumulative effect which can only lead to worse and worse results.
Hudson April 28, 2007 at 10:08 am
Hudson, it’s not a dumb question at all. I don’t know the answer.
I do know that this is a good weekend for my borther’s wedding to be happening, as I will have an excuse to miss the inevitably pathetic performance of the Yankees.
Nick-YF April 28, 2007 at 10:11 am
Congrats on that Nick.
I’m about to go to the range to get tuned up for a golf tournament/birthday party in a few hours. I can’t say I’m happy that I won’t get to watch the game today, but I can’t say I’m much broke up about it, either.
attackgerbil April 28, 2007 at 10:28 am
in a related question. why does Torre not allow SPs to try and get out of their middle inning jams? He lifts pettitte with 100 pitches in the 5th. Obviously the guy had lost his command but eventually he has to force someone to pitch some real innings even if it costs a loss. With this plan, we still got the loss and expended our pen for the first game of the series. Frustrated doesnt begin to describe how I feel.
sam YF April 28, 2007 at 12:03 pm
So the Post reports that Steinbrennr is “on fire,” and apparently Torre’s on the block if the Sox sweep this series. I’d find it incredibly unlikely that the Sox sweep (tantazlizing a thought as that is). But if the Sox win today and lose tomorrow, does that assuage the Boss?
And would replacing Torre with Mattingly — who has less than a season of experience as a bench coach and no experience whatsoever managing a pitching staff — really improve all that much? It seems like it could negate any benefit gained from getting players back from the DL. (Speaking of which, the Post also reporting that Johnny Damon might go on the DL for the first time ever next week).
Paul SF April 28, 2007 at 12:48 pm
Lupica points out that NYY were 11-19 after 30 games in 2005. And then …
Honestly, is it Torre? I’m not sure Torre is doing anything any differently now that he did a decade ago when the NYY were winning everything.
Is this something you need to wait out? Does Cash need to make a move? If so, where? Should Torre go?
If I’m Cash, I wait it out. Get it to Memorial Day. You have Seattle and Texas only for the next two weeks. That seems like a pretty good elixer. Anything else right now is panic. Although I’d probably be on the phone trying to address the pen. For now, that’s it, though.
I'm Bill McNeal April 28, 2007 at 12:52 pm
This is pretty insane, from Olney’s Insider blog:
Last year, there were a grand total of three relievers among the 30 major league teams to amass more than 84 appearances. Right now, the Yankees have five relievers working on a pace to throw in 85 or more games, and three who have pitched in 14 of the team’s first 21 games. At that pace, all three — Scott Proctor, Luis Vizcaino and Mike Myers — would surpass Mike Marshall’s all-time record for appearances, of 106.
Yankees Projected Appearances
Pitcher #App. Pace Career High
Scott Proctor 14 108 83
Luis Vizcaino 14 108 76
Brian Bruney 12 93 47
Sean Henn 11 85 NA*
Mike Myers 14 108 88
* – Henn has yet to pitch an entire season in the big leagues.
SF April 28, 2007 at 2:05 pm
If it’s Cash’s call, he waits it out for sure – if we make a move here, it’s George pulling the strings, like I think he did when Hughes was brought up (too soon)
Since Torre isn’t throwing pitches, I don’t think it makes sense for him to go. I agree with Hudson and Sam, though about his use of pitchers. Seems like every game is managed like it’s the 7th game of the WS.
We don’t have a long man, which IMO we desperately need. I guess Farnsworth paints us in a corner since he can’t go on successive days. Wouldn’t it make sense to make some choices and bring up Rasner to be the long guy?
Andrews April 28, 2007 at 2:11 pm
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