Wow. 3000 never looked like such a small number.
Is Giambino next?
I doubt it. I brought up the possibility a week ago, but the near-unanimous response was that no one would be that stupid. We’ll see. My guess is, if he is back on the juice (14 HR in July!), he’s using something undetectable. No way to know.
Let this be the end of the Hall of Fame talk and the beginning of an investigation into whether Palmeiro committed perjury when he testified before Congress ealier this year. This guy is dirty as hell.
Hey Earl, Ortiz and Ramirez are on steroids you dumb bastard.
Hell, if Earl can say Giambi is juicing I can say the Sox are too, what a dope.
Bats: in the previous comment thread you said you hoped Manny Ramirez would either get hit by a bus or flunk a steroid test. Not sure you should be calling Earl out on this one. Obviously the getting hit by a bus comment is joke (right?), but the steroid comment probably isn’t.
I can’t speak for other Sox fans, but I am sincerely hoping that Giambi isn’t back on steroids, and as I have stated elsewhere on the site have no good reason to think he is or accuse him of a relapse. But I do hope he cools off.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Whatever Battingly. I merely said there was a chance he’s back on it. I’m with SF — I hope he’s not, for his sake and for baseball’s. But he’s done them before, after having denied it, so the possibility certainly exists.
I suppose you were hoping I’d get all offended and defensive at your comments about members of my favorite team. That’s called “projecting”.
Hey, I’m a Yankee fan; I certainly hope that Giambino’s not back on it. My point is that, given that Raffy was stupid enough to be caught just months after denying ever taking steriods in front of Congress(!), maybe we shouldn’t underestimate the stupidity – or arrogance – of these guys.
Sure, innocent until proven guilty; but once one has been proven guilty, the presupposition of innocence is out the window. And we are not dealing with narrow legal definitions of guilt, but rather with an assertion of fact: We know that Giambi has used illegal performance enhancers in the past. If speculation is rampant that Giambi is juicing again, it is because Giambi may have made his own bed on that front. And to compare Giambi to guys about whom there have been zero credible steroid rumors is pretty vacuous and undermines the credibility of the person making the assertion.
Like everyone else, I hope he is not using again, because it would be bad for the game, bad for the rivalry, and bad for him. Meanwhile, unless we learn something drastically different from what we now know, it looks like Raffi and I will take the same route to the Hall of Fame — via buying a ticket.
dcat hits it exactly right; what we know about Giambi sets his circumstances apart (not saying he is back on anything–hell, HGH is undetectable through urine–but to compare him to Manny or Papi is ridiculous), just as Raffy is now set apart.
Maybe I’m just naive, but I actually believe Mr. 3,000 when he said he was never on the juice. A bad day for baseball fans, in Baltimore and beyond.
Correction: believed–that d makes a huge difference.
i think one of three things is going to happen: 1. the congrssional committee will convene to determine whether Raffy did indeed commit perjury and then haul his ass back down to DC to face those charges. 2. Raffy obviously “had to idea” that something someone gave him had anythng illegal in it and downplay the testing in that manner. 3.The whole situation goes unnoticed and adds another blemish to baseball. We can thank Bud Selig for that.
what I still don’t understand is this: 10 days??? that’s it????
1) It’s going to be hard to prove that he commited perjury unless the test was taken before March 17.
2) He obviously should have been super careful, especially these days, about even “accidently taking steroids” and that excuse just does not work today.
3) This won’t be forgotten as Palmeiro was a lock for the Hall of Fame before this (whatever you may believe), but he’s no longer an automatic anymore. Obviously many things can happen in five years, but I just don’t see this issue just fading away for him. It will be interesting to see what happens to McGwire in 2007 and that should help determine what happens to Palmeiro when his time comes up. But this issue will not be going away unnoticed.
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