How to Make a Batting Order

Terry Francona has been hard-pressed to come up with a consistently productive batting order this season, so we thought we’d offer a few of our favorite methods, mostly alternative.

  1. In order of on-base percentage, descending.  Give the most at-bats to the guys who get on base the most.  Sabermetricians say this is irrelevant.  But we don’t know many sabermetricians who have gotten to first base themselves, if you know what we’re saying, so what do they know?
  2. In order of on-base percentage, ascending.  Build to a crescendo: make the pitcher fear what’s coming!  This could be good, if only for the element of surprise.
  3. Alphabetical, by last name.  Generally that would mean Coco leading off, Drew in the #2 spot, with Youk assuming the Bill Mueller role at #9.  Nope.
  4. Alphabetical, by first name.  Cora starts, Coco follows, then Papi is in his normal spot, with Pedroia cleanup.  No RBI opportunities there for the bopper, and then you’ve got Dougie and then Hinske.  Blech.  Something’s still wrong.
  5. Scrabble method.  Ramirez leads off, followed by Youkilis, then Ortiz.  No matter what’s next, this one has promise.
  6. By Average Annual Value of contract, excluding pitchers.  Manny leads off, then Drew, the Tizzle, then Varitek, the Lugo (sound the alarm! El Vacio in the five spot!).   Still, not a bad top four, if not ideal.  On second thought, the way things are going, maybe we should include pitchers…
  7. Have an usher take the first kid he finds attending his first-ever game at Fenway and let him/her do it.  We think this method may have the most promise.  The kid can’t do much worse than our skipper, right?

Or, just forget caring about the batting order, as there’s no reason to bail water from a sinking ship.  Yep, we have a winner.

75 comments… add one
  • good one sf…look, i’m going to do you the same favor you did for me a few weeks back…i’ve noticed that your recent comments have a touch [or more] of desperation in them…remember what you told me about it being a long season, and the yanks were too good to be so terrible for too long?…i had about given up…i saw no sign of the yankees turning things around…you told me to hang in there…well my friend, here’s your advice right back at you…the sox are too good for this latest slump to last long…they still have the best starting pitching in baseball and they are capable of scoring a bunch of runs…meanwhile, i expect the yanks to calm down a bit…you still have a 7.5 game lead, and we don’t get to play you again for a couple of months…the yanks mini-comeback is dramatic because it happened so quickly…don’t get me wrong, i still want the yanks to win, even if it means chipping away at that lead instead of doing all at once, but contrary to popular belief, i don’t enjoy seeing sox fans suffer…

    dc June 15, 2007, 8:43 am
  • Thanks, dc. This was an attempt at humor, as I want to make sure that the pessimism isn’t seen as desperation. I am not feeling good right now, without a doubt, but as you say the lead is 7.5, which is better than a sharp stick in the eye…

    SF June 15, 2007, 9:04 am
  • i meant to acknowledge that your post was in jest, but i blew it…your post just gave me the opportunity to mention some of your prior recent comments…desperation was indeed the wrong word for me to use…i hadn’t had enough coffee yet to come up with the right word, but pessimism is a word you’ve used before…like i said, hang in there buddy…it’s more fun when we both have a chance and feel good about it…

    dc June 15, 2007, 9:14 am
  • The other thing is that game threads are typically more emotional; you are reacting to instant ups and downs, you see errors and mistakes in real time, so any game thread is likely to be full of up and down swings. I, personally, am willing to forgive most in-game comments’ hyperbole, for both YF and SF alike. Game threads are not a place for deep, rational, researched thought, just the opposite. That’s kind of what makes them entertaining.

    SF June 15, 2007, 9:23 am
  • Two words for the Red Sox right now:
    Retard Sandwiches

    LocklandSF June 15, 2007, 9:37 am
  • Everyone calm down…it’s not like the Sox have pissed away half their lead in two weeks or anything….
    or is it?
    Note to Tito – the shoe has started its freefall…time to jerk a knot in someone’s neck.

    jp-sf June 15, 2007, 10:42 am
  • i’ve been finding myself returning to the same exact conversations i was having a couple weeks ago with sox fans… with the roles of the inconsolable worrywart and the reassuring optimist reversed.
    there are still 3+ months left. we aren’t even halfway through yet.
    anything can happen.
    i’m just glad that there is a chance that the yankees’ season could be interesting or even exciting. i was beginning to wonder there for a while…

    Yankee Fan In Boston June 15, 2007, 11:30 am
  • Leave the ledge and bridge jumping to New York fans.
    The Red Sox still have a 7.5 game led on the Yankees. Let’s see what happens with the Mets over the weekend. They are desperate and hungry for a series win.
    If the Mets can take 2 out of 3 from the Yankees, all the New York gloating about how they are gaining ground in the AL East can evaporate in a N.Y. minute.

    SoxFan June 15, 2007, 12:43 pm
  • I have a question.
    Why the HELL is there a “Dave Roberts” day in Boston? Because of one stolen base that lead to beating the Yankees? Sheesh. Talk about obsession.
    It’s pretty much like having a Jeff Weaver day in St. Louis, or a Scott Podsednik day in Chicago. Very silly.

    AndrewYF June 15, 2007, 12:50 pm
  • “Jeff Weaver Day”
    What, you eat a ton of sugar, get bad teeth, pop a vicodin, then go out and give up 6 runs in three innings?
    Sounds like fun!

    SF June 15, 2007, 1:01 pm
  • Dude, if it wasn’t for Dave Roberts, we would STILL be waiting for a championship. The amazing thing about the steal was that EVERYONE knew he was going…but still made it by a pubic hair.

    jp-sf June 15, 2007, 1:22 pm
  • At one point a year ago or something, Dave Roberts said, “Not a day has gone by that a Red Sox fan hasn’t thanked me. Not one.”
    Try waiting 86 years, and then call it silly. He should be thanked in every way possible for the rest of his life…it was the ultimate resurrection moment in a series and postseason all about resurrection. I can understand why you’d think it’s dumb, but it isn’t. Not to me, anyway.

    Devine June 15, 2007, 1:30 pm
  • Andrew, that comment made you sound like a jerk. No offense, but if you don’t get it by now, you never will.

    Paul SF June 15, 2007, 2:00 pm
  • I’m a little fuzzy on this one, but wasn’t it Millar who drew the walk off Rivera that put Roberts on base? That, not the steal, IMO, was more difficult and essential to the victory.

    Andrews June 15, 2007, 2:02 pm
  • Andrew’s comment didn’t make him sound “like a jerk”; it made him sound rational.

    Andrews June 15, 2007, 2:04 pm
  • I don’t really think it made Andrew sound like a jerk, or dumb, and definitely not “rational”, but more just a little out of touch with what Roberts means to Sox fans.
    But SFs, remember, he’s a Yankee fan, so he’s not expected to get it!!!

    SF June 15, 2007, 2:08 pm
  • Exactly. There were many more impressive feats than Dave Roberts stealing a base. What about the guy who got on base so he could pinch run? What about the Bill Mueller, the guy who drove him in? Those two things are much harder to do off Rivera than steal a base. Where’s their day?
    Listen, it’s nice that the Boston Red Sox, after 86 years, finally won a World Championship. But it was 3 years ago. Will there forever be a Dave Roberts day ever year? Seriously? Hell, White Sox fans have even more reason to obsess over a long-due world championship, but there’s no more-deserved-than-Roberts Scott Podsednik day, is there? Outside of the mythical RSN in the real world of baseball where a team wins the World Series every year, many times because of things much more impressive and vital than a single stolen base, an annual Dave Roberts day is just very silly.
    If this is just a one-time event honoring Dave Roberts, then there’s nothing silly about that. But an annual event is pretty over-the-top.

    AndrewYF June 15, 2007, 2:21 pm
  • “what Roberts means to Sox fans.”
    Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say: “what that one stolen base means to Sox fans”?
    I mean, c’mon, how much SF protest was there when Roberts was cut loose after his cup of coffee with the sox?

    Andrews June 15, 2007, 2:26 pm
  • Good points…maybe the Sox should have a “Mariano Rivera Day” since he’s the guy that couldn’t get it done in that series for you guys…

    jp-sf June 15, 2007, 2:37 pm
  • This is the first time Roberts has returned to Boston since the World Series parade, so talking about an “annual event” is a red herring.
    There were several people who wanted Roberts to stay in Boston, and continued to bemoan his absence as Crisp tanked last season, so that point is moot.
    True, Millar deserves a ton of credit for the walk. Mueller for the run-scoring hit. Ortiz for the game-winning home run and the next day’s tying homer and winning single. All these men have been recognized with standing ovations and hundreds of gallons of ink. So what’s the point?
    The fact of the matter is: Millar doesn’t steal that base, and Mueller’s hit doesn’t score anyone without Roberts on second. Everyone in the park, including Mariano Rivera, knew he was going to steal, and he still did it. It was probably THE most tension-filled moment of the series, and it also (in case you’ve forgotten) happened to kick off one of the greatest postseason runs in the history of the game. So I fail to see why there would NOT be some sort of formal recognition of the steal.
    I understand Andrew wouldn’t be expected to understand fully. I would also expect he would understand his inability to fully understand, and temper his comments accordingly, instead of chalking it up to “obsession” — which appeared, at least to me, to be a typical Yankee fan attempt to paint SFs as crazy sycophants unable to focus on anything or anyone other than the Yankees.

    Paul SF June 15, 2007, 2:39 pm
  • If it’s just a one-time thing, like there was a “David Ortiz” day late last year when I went to my first Sox game (Ortiz hit his last 2 homeruns of the season that night), then I have absolutely no problem with it. He was an important member of a great Red Sox team, and deserves his day.
    If it were an annual event, though, that’s where my comments are directed towards.

    AndrewYF June 15, 2007, 2:41 pm
  • Andrew:
    it’s odd that this criticism is directed towards the Red Sox when you are a member of perhaps the most Copernican, overly self-congratulatory group of fans on Earth, Yankees fans, who obsess about every piece of trivial historical minutiae like what happened has never happened to anyone else, and if it did, it actually happened to the Yankees first so whatever followed was inherently inferior.*
    *how’s that for a carpet bomb? ;-)

    SF June 15, 2007, 2:50 pm
  • Haha, wait, what?
    It’s not our fault the Yankees have the most world championships, and the most legendary players, and not just the most, but the most best (how’s that for self-congratulatory), out of any team in major league history…;-)

    AndrewYF June 15, 2007, 2:57 pm
  • Assuming Dave Roberts a huge standing ovation tonight…
    Who was the last ex Yankee player to get a standing ovation at Yankee Stadium?
    I know ’04 plays a big part but still a reasonable question.
    notable Sox (Pedro, Trot, Roberts, Cabrera)

    NeffSox June 15, 2007, 3:00 pm
  • not an uncommon kind of conversation:
    SF: I was at the only game in baseball history where there were two triple plays, it was the Sox and the Twins.
    Random YF: No, that’s not true. I saw the Yanks do it against the Orioles in ’90. Pags started one of them, maybe both.
    SF: Uh, no. I was at the only game where that happened. I checked the historical records.
    RYF: No, idiot. I saw Pags turn three TWICE, it was sick. I remember because it was on my 11th birthday and I got my first shaving kit – best gift ever.
    SF: Um, no you didn’t. Pags wasn’t playing for the Yankees in ’90, he was in San Diego.
    RYF: Wrong, f*ck you. 1918! 1918! 1918!

    SF June 15, 2007, 3:04 pm
  • I think the last ex-Yank to get a standing ovation was Soriano.

    Nick-YF June 15, 2007, 3:17 pm
  • Roberts was at the ring ceremony on opening day.

    TJ June 15, 2007, 3:22 pm
  • wow. what a bunch of broad generalizations.
    sox fans aren’t self-congratulatory? are you serious? i think you live in NY, SF, so i’ll cut you some slack… you may not have known this, but up until last week or so there was a TON of people turning themselves into pretzels in order to pat themselves on the back around here. i was getting the business left and right from people looking to rub my nose in the standings each day.
    no home crowd but boston’s ever cheers for returning players?
    this kind of stuff (the good and the bad)is done all over, by all kinds of fans.

    Yankee Fan In Boston June 15, 2007, 3:25 pm
  • Most of the great Yankees of the past decade are on the team or retired, so… :)
    Though I’d imagine Pettitte would’ve gotten some kind of warm reception if he ever faced the Yanks.

    AndrewYF June 15, 2007, 3:27 pm
  • “There were several people who wanted Roberts to stay in Boston”
    Literally.
    SF, Chill. Take your meds.
    Really, I understand why all SF’s have a warm spot on their hearts for Roberts – but “Dave Roberts Day”? The guy was a bit player on a great team.
    In that case how about “Jim Leyritz Day” in honor of the HR in gm 4 in ’96? No. Simply too much, even though we’re all forever grateful for that AB…

    Andrews June 15, 2007, 3:27 pm
  • no home crowd but boston’s ever cheers for returning players?
    When did I say that, I was asking a legit question. Nick realized this.
    jeez I guess 7.5 isn’t close enough to relieve you of unneccessary anger

    NeffSox June 15, 2007, 3:28 pm
  • Come on, I was f*cking horsing around, my God…
    (I wonder if the “shaving kit” joke hit a little to close to home?)

    SF June 15, 2007, 3:32 pm
  • “attempt to paint SFs as crazy sycophants unable to focus on anything or anyone other than the Yankees”
    Paul, you take care of that by yourself every day; no help needed from YF’s :)

    Andrews June 15, 2007, 3:32 pm
  • I kind of liked the carpet bomb!

    Andrews June 15, 2007, 3:33 pm
  • Really, I understand why all SF’s have a warm spot on their hearts for Roberts – but “Dave Roberts Day”? The guy was a bit player on a great team.
    Seriously, you have a total tin ear for recent history. If Leyritz’ home run had been an iconic moment in a run to a first championship in 8+ decades, I imagine it would be treated differently, and rightly so.
    The only people here who are “obsessed” are the YFs who are continuing to harp over what is basically a minor pre-game ceremony.

    SF June 15, 2007, 3:35 pm
  • i’m not angry.
    7.5 is not insurmountable.
    …thus the talk of the tobin bridge.
    i take issue with each fan base from time to time. when that happens, i sometimes type a line or five of text.
    i’m not attacking you, neffsox. i just disagreed with the nature of your question.
    perhaps 7.5 isn’t big enough for you to feel at ease.

    Yankee Fan In Boston June 15, 2007, 3:35 pm
  • Look, there are certain players fanbases embrace for reasons not wholly explicable and certain players who just don’t have that connection. From my perspectice as a Yanks fan, I’ve never understood why Dave Roberts, a solid part-time player, is so loved in Boston while Mark Bellhorn isn’t. I just read the excellent Cursed To First and she wants Roberts to receive the longest ovation of all time. And I think Roberts might get it. Doesn’t make sense to me, but I’m also not offended by it. It’s positive and why complain about it?

    Nick-YF June 15, 2007, 3:37 pm
  • “There were several people who wanted Roberts to stay in Boston”
    Literally.

    Several people *on this blog,* presumably representative of the many fans who felt the same.
    sox fans aren’t self-congratulatory? are you serious?
    Once again, YFs turn it into a zero-sum game, completely ignoring the humor in SF’s posts. But it’s the SFs who are obsessed, of course.

    Paul SF June 15, 2007, 3:39 pm
  • Nick – I love Bellhorn so much that I would bear his children if he asked me to.

    jp-sf June 15, 2007, 3:43 pm
  • it isn’t a zero sum game. yesterday, i believe, there was a claim that the 2004 red sox “invented” the phenomenon of having a separate handshake for different teammates, etc. i thought this was similarly short sighted.
    why can nobody offer a differing opinion? i asked SF if he was serious. the internet is not always the best forum for sarcasm, as it can be difficult to pick up on.
    c’mon…

    Yankee Fan In Boston June 15, 2007, 3:44 pm
  • Can someone confirm for me that this is just a one-off event, simply because this is Dave Roberts’ first return to Fenway Park after three years?
    I started this argument on the assumption that “Dave Roberts Day” was an annual, official Red Sox event. Being a Yankees fan and not have too much knowledge about the everyday goings-on with the Sox, I’m probably wrong. I hope I’m wrong, because I’m all for a one-off official appreciation of an important cog of a historic baseball team.

    AndrewYF June 15, 2007, 3:44 pm
  • i’m sure it is a one-off. i hadn’t heard anything about it until just now, but it has to be due to his return.

    Yankee Fan In Boston June 15, 2007, 3:45 pm
  • IMHO, longest ovation ever given to a former Sox should have been to Pedro, no ifs, ands, or buts.
    But I just don’t get this lack of understanding about the symbolism of Roberts’ steal, and why he/it have become such a part of Sox’ lore. In a sport which is rich with the history of dramatic moments (Kirk Gibson, Bill Buckner, Mazeroski, Roger Clemens chucking a razor-sharp bat), Roberts’ was the man behind one of the biggest moments in Sox’ history, even if it wasn’t, like other moments, a game-ender. How does this not make sense that it would be honored and remembered with great affection?
    I really don’t get this almost “playing dumb” by some Yankee fans about this, I really don’t.

    SF June 15, 2007, 3:46 pm
  • jp, with each post you prove you’re a rugged individualist!
    I have this image of Bellhorn coming back to Fenway to a one-man standing ovation that lasts through the 3rd inning until that man is escorted out with his Yanks-hat wearing lady.

    Nick-YF June 15, 2007, 3:46 pm
  • it isn’t a zero sum game. yesterday, i believe, there was a claim that the 2004 red sox “invented” the phenomenon of having a separate handshake for different teammates, etc. i thought this was similarly short sighted.
    I wasn’t saying they invented it,all I was saying is Damon should give OCab his props.
    Again reasoning for my post
    Damon on ’04 Sox
    OCab in ’04 does seperate handshake with each player which NESN did a whole segment on
    Damon now on ’07 Yanks
    Damon in ’07 does seperate handshake with each player which YES will in due time film a whole segment on.
    Not once did I say Orlando Cabrera started the handshake, butt slap, or the dirty bird

    NeffSox June 15, 2007, 3:50 pm
  • I think you underestimate the appreciation for Horndog, Nick.

    SF June 15, 2007, 3:51 pm
  • I, like many other people at this site, SFs included, think the “handshake origination credit demand” (HOCD, for short) is a bit, uh, suspect.

    SF June 15, 2007, 3:52 pm
  • “Seriously, you have a total tin ear for recent history. If Leyritz’ home run had been an iconic moment in a run to a first championship in 8+ decades, I imagine it would be treated differently, and rightly so.”
    I have a tin ear? Leyritz” HR wasn’t an “iconic moment”?
    I feel sure most YF’s, like this one, would beg to differ. No, it wasn’t 86 years (thank God), but it had been 18- sure felt like eternity.
    Once again, I completely understand the standing O he’ll receive, and rightly so; but “Dave Roberts Day” seems kind of silly. Just my opinion, let’s let it go at that.

    Anonymous June 15, 2007, 3:53 pm
  • I lived in Boston during the fall of 2004 and the spring of 2005. The impression I got was that the fanbase reluctantly embraced the Horndog after a couple of his homers in the Yanks series. I’m not saying they dislike the guy, but do I believe there would be a standing ovation for him when he returned? Not a chance.

    Nick-YF June 15, 2007, 3:54 pm
  • i’m not trying to open up that can o’worms, neffsox, just trying to offer context to what i was saying.
    i do enjoy that i get accused of turning things into a zero sum game with this couplet:
    “YFs turn it into a zero-sum game, completely ignoring the humor in SF’s posts. But it’s the SFs who are obsessed, of course.”
    great.

    Yankee Fan In Boston June 15, 2007, 3:56 pm
  • me

    Andrews June 15, 2007, 3:56 pm
  • But I’d like to emphasize something here. I don’t think it’s unusual for a fanbase to react this way. Yanks fans have their favorites and their non-favorites and sometimes I don’t agree with those choices. For instance (as if it needs to be said), I think a segment of YFs has been has not understood how good A-Rod has been for the Yanks. But what can you do? People sometimes act in ways that don’t jive with what you believe. Incidentally, there’s a chance (and maybe a good one? Uggh) that the next president will be Rudy.

    Nick-YF June 15, 2007, 3:59 pm
  • I really should edit before submitting.

    Nick-YF June 15, 2007, 4:03 pm
  • I think there are the main reason we embrace Roberts over Horndog
    -I, like most SFs, remember Roberts for his stellar defense, incredible speed, and ‘the stolen base.’
    -While many SFs remember Bellhorn for his .264 BA, 177Ks, NHL beard, and his playoff power.
    Before you attack, I was a big Bellhorn fan, and got tormented for it, and was also at the Schill 14K game where Bellhorn hit the 2 RBI walkoff two bagger. So I remember him for a little bit more.

    NeffSox June 15, 2007, 4:05 pm
  • Who would you rather have had, Bellhorn or Todd Walker? I’m glad we kept Bellhorn.

    jp-sf June 15, 2007, 4:09 pm
  • I think Bellhorn would get a very nice ovation at Fenway (not Pedro, not Nixon, not Roberts, but nice)…except…was he there in a Yankees uniform at any point during the 2 seconds he played for NY?

    Devine June 15, 2007, 4:22 pm
  • And the walk was nice, but the stolen base was where I started to think, “They could win this game.”

    Devine June 15, 2007, 4:23 pm
  • Bellhorn would get a standing O, no doubt in my mind. Playoff home runs last forever. Well, so do a team-record number of Ks, but I think honestly that every one of the members of the 25 would get a standing O. Even Damon got one from most of those in attendance, despite the efforts of EEI and others.

    Paul SF June 15, 2007, 4:27 pm
  • dave roberts day?
    that’s a joke right, more of sf’s humor?…the guy played about 1/4 of a somewhat undistinguished season [for him] with the sox, and because of one play, you have a day for him?…i’m ok with it really, it’s the sox org and fans who decide how to celebrate, but i’m just a little surprised to take this bit player who happened to be in the right place at the right time and treat him like a hero…i didn’t even think he was retired yet…how ’bout “minky day”, didn’t he catch the final out?…or “nomar day”, he batted .315 that year for the sox in almost twice as many at bats as roberts…how ’bout “keith foulke day”, or “byung-hyun-kim day” [uh, never mind]…there are others…

    dc June 15, 2007, 4:28 pm
  • It’s about a turning point. Symbolic maybe, but real in many SF’s minds nonetheless. No stolen base, no tie game (arguable, but it was Mariano, remember). No tie game, no Ortiz walk-off. No Game 5. No World Series. Nothing.
    Symbols are very important and for whatever reason, Roberts symbolizes “the comeback”.

    Devine June 15, 2007, 4:31 pm
  • I know you’re joking on this one. Because I know your smart enough to understand the difference between happening to catch the final out and making the pivotal play of an entire SERIES.

    Paul SF June 15, 2007, 4:31 pm
  • Last comment addressed to dc. Sorry.

    Paul SF June 15, 2007, 4:32 pm
  • i get it…i was just having fun with you…but, it just does seem odd to cherry-pick a single play for a guy who spent a handful of games with you and say, yep that’s why we won…i don’t get it…honor the whole team, not individuals…the team won with or without roberts…

    dc June 15, 2007, 4:39 pm
  • They don’t win without that SB.

    jp-sf June 15, 2007, 4:42 pm
  • The stolen base doesn’t happen without Millar’s walk; the run doesn’t score without Mueller’s hit…etc.

    Andrews June 15, 2007, 5:26 pm
  • I feel sure most YF’s, like this one, would beg to differ. No, it wasn’t 86 years (thank God), but it had been 18- sure felt like eternity.
    This sums it up, from a fan perspective standpoint, the difference in our two “nations”. You just don’t get it. You have NO IDEA what is was like to have “86 years” hanging over your team. Roberts is a symbol of the lifting of that, and the steal was one of the most dramatic, identifiable moments of that process.

    SF June 15, 2007, 5:27 pm
  • Usually SF, you’re quite the objective voice; however, in this situation that’s just not the case. You’re cherry picking one flashy play as THE moment; my point is there were lots of moments, as some of us have cited. If Roberts had gotten the walk, then stolen second, I might be more inclined to agree with you. You’re perpetuating a myth here.
    As an outsider, I consider the walk and hit the most important moments of that inning and your season…
    That being said, once again, Roberts deserves the SO he’ll get shortly.
    Can we just let this go? Please?

    Andrews June 15, 2007, 5:47 pm
  • quote from espn.com…
    While Bonds will likely get a chilly reception from Red Sox fans, Giants center fielder Dave Roberts figures to receive a standing ovation. Although Roberts only played part of one season in Boston, he made one of the most pivotal plays in Red Sox history.
    As a pinch-runner in Game 4 of the 2004 AL Championship Series against the Yankees, he stole second base and later scored to send the game to extra innings. The Red Sox rallied to win the contest as well as the following seven and their first World Series title since 1918.
    “To be a part of something that hasn’t been done in 86 years, that’s something I’m going to take with me forever,” Roberts told the Giants’ Web site. “The steal, the parade, the ring ceremony, those are all things I’m going to take with me to my grave.”

    jp-sf June 15, 2007, 5:57 pm
  • Can we just let this go? Please?
    NO! We agree: there were many moments. Clark’s GRD being a HUGE moment. I am not perpetuating a myth, just trying to explain why I find the Roberts love totally explicable.

    SF June 15, 2007, 6:52 pm
  • I thought we’d explained already how neither the hit nor the walk mean nothing without the steal. Why bring that up again?
    There were indeed plenty of moments, but how can the steal not be considered THE moment at which the series turned?
    To say the team won, with or without Roberts, is ludicrous. Without Roberts, who comes in to try to steal that base? No one. So what happens when Mueller gets a base hit? Runners on 1/2, no runs home. I find it amazing that Yankee fans are lecturing Red Sox fans on how to remember the players and events important to the Red Sox. Isn’t this the same fan base that spent most of last season calling Alex Rodriguez “Chuck Knoblauch”?

    Paul SF June 15, 2007, 7:02 pm
  • And without the walk, there is no Roberts. Without the hit, Roberts goes nowhere. They were all very important, but the hit and the walk moreso because it is a lot harder to actually get on base off the greatest postseason pitcher in history. From a pure drama standpoint, sure, the stolen base is exciting. But from a pure baseball standpoint, the walk and the hit were more impressive. That’s all.

    AndrewYF June 15, 2007, 10:22 pm
  • Late to the discussion, and an infrequent poster, to boot, but – who are YFs to tell SFs which moments to savor, and who to honor?
    Yes, of course, most of us realize how big Millar’s walk was in that inning, and how much he contributed to the team that whole season, and he got a great reception in his first game back.
    Yes, we realize that Roberts would’ve been stranded at second without The Pro’s base hit, and Muellar would’ve gotten a huge ovation had he played at Fenway with the Dodgers.
    But I think that most knowledgable Sox fans, if asked “what was the turning point of the ’04 ALCS” would point to the steal. Maybe part of it is that it gave us what I consider one of the best sports photographs ever, and not just for what it depicts, but as a great picture: http://tinyurl.com/2yndcv
    Seriously, though – YFs, if there was a player involved in what you consider an historic play, and you wanted to honor him, how much flack would you take from SFs calling it stupid?
    And sorry, but the question “is this an annual event?” is just plain dumb.

    Zulu.as.SF June 15, 2007, 10:53 pm
  • Even if it is an annual thing (which would be pointless, because Dave Roberts won’t be back to Fenway in a uniform for what, another three years? Assuming he stays in the NL West and playing for that long), so even suggesting it would be annual is ridiculous. Nevertheless.
    Annual Dave Roberts Day at Fenway Park > Daily Curtain Call Day at Yankee Stadium.

    QuoSF June 16, 2007, 2:00 am
  • zero sum…nice job quo

    dc June 16, 2007, 8:15 am
  • The theme of the latter part of this thread has been:
    “Dave Roberts to be honored by Sox fans for participation in an iconic, uber-dramatic play during storied first World Series run in nearly nine decades, Yankee fans say they don’t understand why.”
    What a joke.

    Dave Roberts' Mom June 16, 2007, 9:18 am

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