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by SF on July 14, 2008 at 6:38 pm in
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my moneys on utley.
sf rod July 14, 2008 at 7:17 pm
peter gammons was just doing some preHRD commentating and said what a great guy milton bradley is. peter said no one wrote him more letters while he was sick than milton. i always saw bradley as the same exact guy as carl everett.
sf rod July 14, 2008 at 7:53 pm
“i always saw bradley as the same exact guy as carl everett.”
That was my sense, too, but I’ve heard him described as a kind and thoughtful man. He’s just cursed with a horrible temper.
Brownie July 14, 2008 at 8:02 pm
my moneys on utley…. to win the line drive hitting competition.
sf rod July 14, 2008 at 8:55 pm
What is Milton Bradley’s opinion on dinosaurs?
Inquiring minds need to know!
Micah-SF July 14, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Milton Bradley’s a case of guy that is not a media favorite. The majority of players who have been teammates of his seem to really like the guy…Carl Everett was sort of a dick…and bat-shit crazy.
walein July 14, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Braun’s agent is pitching to him. Interesting, though he’s at 1 HR with 6 outs..
Lar July 14, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Of course, right after I said that, he got into a groooooooooove. 7 HR with 9 outs, and he’s on to the next round..
Lar July 14, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Hamilton has his 71 year old ex-coach pitching to him, making me cheer for him all of a sudden.
rootbeerfloat July 14, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Why is Evan Longoria in this competition?
Hamilton CRUSHES homer #2.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Yeah, I’m rooting for Hamilton. Great story.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 9:29 pm
The announcer hits the nail on the head: “The ball sounds different when Hamilton hits it”
Hamilton is hitting 500+ foot homers every time. Jesus christ.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 9:31 pm
HAHA a fan pulls one in and the ump calls it an out. Ump gets boo’d.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 9:33 pm
And 35,000 people call the umpire an asshole at the same time. Hehehe.
Hamilton looks like a kid out there enjoying himself. This is a pleasure to watch. Great comeback.
Holy shit homer #10 is HALFWAY up the upper deck.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 9:34 pm
AWWW Hanley Ramirez’ son is super cute.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Hamilton is destroying the ball right now. It carries over, so he will keep on going after 8 HR in 5 outs..
Lar July 14, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Is it just me who’s annoyed at all the little distractions? Like Hamilton signing a ball in between hits.. I know it’s all fun, but it’s already 9:40!
Lar July 14, 2008 at 9:39 pm
HAHAHA two kids run out onto the black seats to grab a homerun, and then run from the cops.
This is great.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 9:39 pm
I’m just leaving the office so I’m glad it’s still going on….
rootbeerfloat July 14, 2008 at 9:40 pm
I’m kind of annoyed Lar… but could you turn down the kid in front of 35,000 people?
Hamilton’s looking like a little kid. The pure joy on his face is making me a little teary eyed, especially about everything he’s been through.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Well, I think he’s nice for doing it – if anything it can only kill his groove (though apparently, not really) but it’s a _very_ minor peeve, and probably more stuff in between, and used a bad example.. =)
Still, I want to sleep before midnight!
Lar July 14, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Hamilton is obviously destroying it, though I hope he doesn’t tire and crash in the finals..
Lar July 14, 2008 at 9:45 pm
JHam has hit more HRs than the 4 batters eliminated combined..
Lar July 14, 2008 at 9:55 pm
This must be what it felt like to watch Babe Ruth in the early 1900′s.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 9:56 pm
I’m more worried about his pitcher crashing in the finals…
Brownie July 14, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Lance Berkman looks like a child compared to Hamilton.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Josh Hamilton has just become a legitimate Yankee Stadium legend. That was stupedous.
YF July 14, 2008 at 9:58 pm
I’m still in awe of Hamilton. Wow.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 10:01 pm
That was indeed great fun.
Stupid line of the night:
“It’s a lousy night to be an atheist”
attackgerbil July 14, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Josh Hamilton has just become a legitimate Yankee Stadium legend
Oh, wait, he’s not on the Bombers. And it’s not a Yankees game. Sorry, got a little carried away.
SF July 14, 2008 at 10:17 pm
ag – I was going to bitch about it. Unnecessary.
Lar July 14, 2008 at 10:17 pm
What’s the format for the finals? Just 5 outs?
Lar July 14, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Why are they making Hamilton do Round 2?
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 10:22 pm
> Why are they making Hamilton do Round 2?
They aren’t.. he chose to.
attackgerbil July 14, 2008 at 10:23 pm
AG, who said that Atheist line?
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 10:23 pm
This “call your shot” thing is bullshit.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Atheose.. not sure. I can’t back up to re-listen.. wasn’t paying good enough attention at the time.. It wasn’t Berman, Kruk, Phillips, Morgan or Ravech… who else is there?
attackgerbil July 14, 2008 at 10:35 pm
attackgerbil July 14, 2008 at 10:38 pm
They had the mic on Milton Bradley for a while so it may have been him.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Stupid line of the night:
“It’s a lousy night to be an atheist”
I know. It’s like that night I went to the Creation Museum and saw Jesus with the dinosaurs. They really put one over on me.
God 1 Others 0
Pat (SF) July 14, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Wasn’t Bradley.. it’s the one guy in the booth I haven’t named
attackgerbil July 14, 2008 at 10:50 pm
This crowd is going to riot if Hamilton doesn’t win.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 10:50 pm
What a disappointment. Everyone was pulling for Hamilton.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Lar July 14, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Lar July 14, 2008 at 10:55 pm
He’s like Maximus though. He won because he won the crowd, not because he killed quick.
Pat (SF) July 14, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Grady Little lives.
What a sorry statement Tito has made about the Sox Series chances by placing Jeter in the no 2 hole and ARod cleanup. Hello, Tito; Jeter can’t hit his (now infected) girlfriend’s weight, and on such a big stage who would expect anything but K’s from ARod.
What Tito is doing with his lineup is defering to the shithole at 161st while neglecting his actual team, and that is unacceptable. Add to that the possiblility of Rivera blowing it in the ninth and this Sox fan is fuckin steamed.
Regardless of how it’s refered, Tito, this is not an exhibition: This is home field advantage in the Series. You know, something your team could really, really use.
Dirty Water July 14, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Tito knows he will sweep any NL team that meets him in October regardless of where or who.
Pat (SF) July 14, 2008 at 11:00 pm
Then he has too much confidence. That’s not good either.
Dirty Water July 14, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Jeter has been hot in the last month. Nothing wrong with the decision, there’s no need to go bat-shit crazy DW ;-)
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 11:07 pm
It’s deference, Atheose. You know it as well as I.
Dirty Water July 14, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Jeez, DW, cool down. Daggers at Jeter, ARod, and Mo because of the All-Star Game? Even for this SF, that’s a bit much. I mean, haven’t you read the passage in the Book of SABR about how batting order doesn’t matter? Or looked at Mo’s stats this year?
Besides, isn’t it a little weird for you to slag Pat (and an imaginary Tito) for overconfidence in the Sox sweeping the Series when the whole premise of your comment is total confidence that the Sox will actually get there?
Or were you just doing some kind of baroque Bizarro-World-A-YF routine?
stuck working July 14, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Bill James says that you can rearrange a lineup in any order and it won’t really matter. They’re playing in Yankees stadium, there’s nothing wrong with Jeter batting 2nd and ARod hitting cleanup.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Haha stuck you took the words right out of my mouth, regarding the batting order.
Mo should pitch the 9th. No question. Hell, I would be upset if anyone other than Mo was closing it out.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 11:17 pm
It’s deference, Atheose. You know it as well as I.
And Pedroia, for one, is smoking Jeter this past month.
The lineup should be:
Anonymous July 14, 2008 at 11:20 pm
t’s deference, Atheose. You know it as well as I.
You already said that twice. And you’d have to be an idiot if to bat Hamilton and Manny ahead of ARod. Just because you hate him doesn’t mean he’s not the best person in the lineup.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 11:23 pm
sorry for the italics
AROD: 158 OPS+
Hamilton: 144 OPS+
Manny: 137 OPS+
ARod is the better player. Stop being biased as hell: it makes the rest of us look bad.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Just for the sake of argument, DW, what’s wrong with some deference here? Abstracting for the moment from my SF position, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being nice to the host team of the game, particularly with it being the last year of their old stadium, etc, etc.
stuck working July 14, 2008 at 11:28 pm
Best person in a meaningless game, yes, but in the last game at Yank Stadium; in an All Star game, at that?
you have got to be joking
Dirty Water July 14, 2008 at 11:28 pm
Stuck, I’m not being arrogant when I say the Sox have a shot at a repeat. They do. Nobody doubts that. And if this game is lost because 3 Yanks remain apathetic towards baseball because their team blows and their GM has conceded it will be a travesty.
Dirty Water July 14, 2008 at 11:33 pm
What the fuck are you trying to argue DW? You’re not making any sense.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Best person in a meaningless game, yes, but in Yank Stadiums last season; in an All Star game, at that?
you have got to be joking
Dirty Water July 14, 2008 at 11:35 pm
I object to the deference (sorry), Atheose. The game carries more meaning for the Sox than usual this year, imo, and should not be treated otherwise.
Screw Yank Stadium
Dirty Water July 14, 2008 at 11:38 pm
I didn’t say you were being arrogant, DW; I was just pointing out that you’d criticized overconfidence in others and that you ought to beware of it your own comments (but I’m a still little superstitious that way and always continue to half-expect the worst).
Similarly, it’s weird for you to argue on the one hand at 11:28pm that ARod will choke because it’s such a big game and then, on the other hand at 11:33pm, to say that ARod will suck because he’s apathetic. Have I missed the argument? Are there two people posting as Dirty Water?
Did some folks get really bored watching the Derby and have a bit too much to drink before posting?
stuck working July 14, 2008 at 11:39 pm
I’m not saying the Sox will be there, just that they very well might. And with the home field advantage so great this year (for whatever reason) this game could matter.
Whatever the case, Tito’s lineup blows. He should not have bowed to the pressure of Yankee Stadium’s last year.
Dirty Water July 14, 2008 at 11:48 pm
DW, you have yet to say why ARod shouldn’t be batting 4th, or why Mo shouldn’t be closing out the game.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Stuck, it does look like there are two DW’s posting. Somebody is very much a loser here.
Atheose July 14, 2008 at 11:56 pm
Because given his history he’s more likely to fail than not. Let him K without men on base. He’s less harmless that way. And I don’t think any Yankee gives a rat’s ass this year, especially about a possible Sox Series advantage.
Would that lead to Rivera blowing the game, who knows. We’ll see, maybe.
Dirty Water July 15, 2008 at 12:10 am
Look at these two lineups; this isn’t even fair:
1. Ichiro Suzuki, RF, Mariners
2. Derek Jeter, SS, Yankees
3. Josh Hamilton, CF, Rangers
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B, Yankees
5. Manny Ramirez, LF, Red Sox
6. Milton Bradley, DH, Rangers
7. Kevin Youkilis, 1B, Red Sox
8. Joe Mauer, C, Twins
9. Dustin Pedroia, 2B, Red Sox
1. Hanley Ramirez, SS, Marlins
2. Chase Utley, 2B, Phillies
3. Lance Berkman, 1B, Astros
4. Albert Pujols, DH, Cardinals
5. Chipper Jones, 3B, Braves
6. Matt Holliday, RF, Rockies
7. Ryan Braun, LF, Brewers
8. Kosuke Fukudome, CF, Cubs
9. Geovany Soto, C, Cubs
Add to that Tito having the worst two available AL hitters batting one-two, a known choke artist, in ARod, at 4 (all of whom negate Hamilton), and the AL’s best OPS and SLG, in Bradley, sixth. The only thing almost right about the lineup is Hamilton at 3.
And then there’s this nobody Lee starting the game instead of Doc, and 4 starters who pitched for their respective teams less then 3 days ago. What a clusterfuck.
Anonymous July 15, 2008 at 12:28 am
Well if it is history you are going on DW then you better pray Jeter is hitting in the 2 spot. Jeter is clutch and always has been. And at 8-16, his .500 career BA in All-Star Games ranks him second of all players who have ever had at least 10 All-Star Game ABs. Try arguing that one over.
As for Rivera, he eats every closer’s lunch. As your idol Papelbon has said, Rivera is The Godfather. And his stats crush everyone’s this year.
As for arguing that A-Rod should not be in the 6-hole, that is such a foolish suggestion that I won’t waste the time.
IronHorse (yf) July 15, 2008 at 12:32 am
it’s kinda scary to think that hamilton should be playing for the d-rays as they were the ones who originally drafted him. add him to that lineup and the ray’s might not be a second place team.
sf rod July 15, 2008 at 1:23 am
DW catching feelings and throwing a tantrum about the AL batting order is one of the funniest things I have ever seen on this site.
doug YF July 15, 2008 at 1:49 am
> Because given his history he’s more likely to fail than not
Given every major leaguer’s history, each of them is more likely to fail than not in any one at bat.
attackgerbil July 15, 2008 at 2:37 am
> a known choke artist, in ARod
That statement just doesn’t stand up to close scrutiny. It’s a worn-out meme. Just let it go.
attackgerbil July 15, 2008 at 2:47 am
I had the privilege of being there last night, what an amazing hitter Hamilton is. The ball off his bat made such an amazingly unique sound. His swing is so short, so quick it’s sick.
I picked Lance Berkman. That didn’t pam out, as we all know.
Also, I don’t follow hockey but my friend does and he pointed out that right behind me was Scott Gomez. That was after I told him that the hillbilly behind is being called Gomer by his friends. I’m a huge (sense the sarcasm) hockey fan.
John - YF July 15, 2008 at 9:07 am
Ok, I guess I’m in the minority regarding Hamilton, but this stuff kind of annoys me…
“Yeah, I’m rooting for Hamilton. Great story.”
“This is a pleasure to watch. Great comeback.”
“The pure joy on his face is making me a little teary eyed, especially about everything he’s been through.”
Hamilton made choices, bad choices that led to his demise. I’m glad he’s cleaned him self up and come back, but the praise heaped on him seems misplaced.
What about all the guys that didn’t fuck up? That did things the right way and quietly went about their business? The journeymen, the career bench guys, the guys that have played forever, stayed clean, paid their taxes, not beat their wives, etc?
LocklandSF July 15, 2008 at 9:26 am
Tough crowd, Lockland! I tend to think that sympathy for addiction is a bit different than just feeling good about a guy who fucked up and repented. I’d bet a lot of us know people who’ve experienced drug or alcohol addiction or have experienced it ourselves; it’s really pretty different from “bad choices” like tax fraud or spousal abuse.
Congrats to all the guys on the straight and narrow for sure, but life’s complicated enough that there’s plenty of room for congratulations to people who made it out the other side of something as awful as addiction.
stuck working July 15, 2008 at 10:17 am
Stuck said what I wanted to say. You’re lucky if you’ve ever known anyone who has never had a drug or alcohol problem Lockland, but if you did you would have sympathy for Hamilton too. I’ve seen the look Hamilton had on his face last night in two people I know, so it hit close to home.
Atheose July 15, 2008 at 10:33 am
Don’t get me wrong, I have sympathy for addiction as it is a disease, but he made a choice to do that first line of coke.
LocklandSF July 15, 2008 at 11:10 am
Lockland, I guess I don’t see the choice to do that first line as being all that damning. I’m willing to bet that plenty, maybe even the majority, of your “guys that didn’t fuck up” have at least a couple occasions of recreational drug use in their past (most Americans do, after all). But they were lucky enough that they didn’t get addicted. I don’t want to remove all responsibility from Hamilton, obviously, but chance also plays a big role here.
stuck working July 15, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Rick Reilly made the “atheist” comment, Fire Joe Morgan addresses it here:
SF July 15, 2008 at 12:24 pm
FireJoeMorgan sums up my position pretty well…
“The lesson, as always: it’s better to do heroin and then stop doing heroin and then lose the Home Run Derby after an impressive first round than it is to not do heroin and then keep not doing heroin and then win the Home Run Derby after a pedestrian first round. Of course, I’m not telling you anything you haven’t heard a thousand times already.”
Anonymous July 15, 2008 at 1:03 pm
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