Last Page of the Chapter: Twins-Sox Gamer VII

No one cares much about the AL East today. All the action’s in the NL. Julian Tavarez gave up three in the first, and the Sox may have a pretty good lineup on paper, but so far appear to be going through the motions. 3-0 Twins in the third. Comment if you care.

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  • Almost any other year, this game would be a chance to gain ground on the Yankees / shore up the Wildcard. Thank goodness this isn’t any other year…
    Lester in to pitch for Tavarez, who went the first three. He retires the side, fly out, strike out, ground out.

    Andrew F (Sox Fan) September 30, 2007, 3:25 pm
  • Francona pulls Pedroia with one out in the sixth, and Lowell with two outs, I guess to let the fans show their appreciation for their respective amazing seasons.

    Paul SF September 30, 2007, 3:58 pm
  • Sox pitching has retired every Twins batter since the third out of the first inning.

    Paul SF September 30, 2007, 4:33 pm
  • Until Kubel doubes off Papelbon with one out in the ninth. 26 straight batters retired though.

    Paul SF September 30, 2007, 4:35 pm
  • 23 actually. Me count good.

    Paul SF September 30, 2007, 4:36 pm
  • Aaaand the Mets’ collapse is complete. Wow.

    Paul SF September 30, 2007, 4:38 pm
  • wmp k’s looking in philly. phils in.

    sf rod September 30, 2007, 4:39 pm
  • Gagne had a 1-2-3 inning. Is this the first one he has had since the trade?

    Rob September 30, 2007, 4:39 pm
  • No.

    Paul SF September 30, 2007, 4:40 pm
  • Mets fans are going to be rabid. Someone is going to be the fall boy for that collapse. And I think old Willie is in the hotseat.

    Rob September 30, 2007, 4:40 pm
  • Sox have tying run at third with one out. Ellsbury out at second trying to stretch the single, but assures a .350 BA for his callup season. Not bad.

    Paul SF September 30, 2007, 4:46 pm
  • Unfortunately, if Lugo doesn’t get the job done, the Sox have nothing but bench players as far as the eye can see.

    Paul SF September 30, 2007, 4:47 pm
  • Did Ellsbury have too many AB’s where he is not classified as a Rookie next year?

    Rob September 30, 2007, 4:48 pm
  • Lugo walks….Cora up.

    Rob September 30, 2007, 4:48 pm
  • Lugo steals

    Rob September 30, 2007, 4:49 pm
  • Twins loading up the bases for Kielty.

    Rob September 30, 2007, 4:49 pm
  • No, he’s still a rookie, Rob.
    Now the intent walk to Cora to load them for Kielty. Anything but a DP, Bobby.

    Paul SF September 30, 2007, 4:50 pm
  • Kielty down swinging
    Belli up with the last chance.

    Rob September 30, 2007, 4:52 pm
  • Ugh. Kielty Ks. Up to Mirabelli.

    Paul SF September 30, 2007, 4:52 pm
  • Come on, Dougie. Walkoff!

    Paul SF September 30, 2007, 4:52 pm
  • Thanks Paul, may need to change my name on here. There is somone else posting under the same one.

    Rob September 30, 2007, 4:53 pm
  • Gah. Well, they made it fun. Given a regular lineup, the chances are pretty good the Sox would have won that. At least tied it.

    Paul SF September 30, 2007, 4:54 pm
  • do we have to take mirabelli to the short series? he is truely useless.

    sf rod September 30, 2007, 4:55 pm
  • Belli down on three staright pitches.
    That gave him for the season:
    .202 Avg
    5 Hr
    16 RBI
    9 R
    Btw, Ellsbury ended up with more ABs than Belli.

    Rob September 30, 2007, 4:55 pm
  • Yeah, wasn’t sure who you were, Rob. Hehe. I might be wrong, but I think it’s ABs before Sept. 1 that determines rookie status?

    Paul SF September 30, 2007, 4:55 pm
  • What’s funny is that Belli is second on the team in AB/HR, behind only Ortiz.

    Paul SF September 30, 2007, 4:56 pm
  • I honestly don’t know Paul. I have been confused by that a number of times. Sounds logical so that a team can check him out for the next season without the problem of losing minor league options.

    Rob September 30, 2007, 4:57 pm
  • He’s no more useless than Cash. If Tek were to be injured in Game 1, the Sox would be using someone like Cora behind the plate without them…

    Paul SF September 30, 2007, 4:57 pm
  • The FO needs to seriously look at the backup catcher during the off season. A serious letdown for us in that spot when Tek is out.
    Not saying that Tek is offensive juggernaut either.

    Rob September 30, 2007, 4:59 pm
  • The limit is 130 at bats in any previous season. Ellsbury ends 2007 with 116.

    Paul SF September 30, 2007, 5:02 pm
  • Just saw the Phillies highlights.
    Myers strikes out WMP on a curveball to end the game.

    Rob September 30, 2007, 5:05 pm
  • It’s too bad that Kottaras struggled so badly at AAA this season (.241/.316/.408). I’m not sure what options the Sox have except to hope on Jonathan Still (.905 OPS at A+ ball).

    Paul SF September 30, 2007, 5:06 pm
  • So happy for the Rockies! Hope they get to join the official dance…

    Devine September 30, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • Very late to the party. On the backup catcher situation:
    No one has a good one. I think Belli (when I crunched the numbers) was 3rd or 4th among AL backups in RC/G. The guy in Seattle is having a severe outlier of a season, Mike Redmond of the Twins is goin nowhere, and I can’t remember the other offhand. Bottom line is, the FA pool of backup catchers might net us a marginal offensive upgrade who could be a more than marginal defensive downgrade from Belli. We’re probably stuck.
    And Paul, I think the conventional wisdom is that Still is not going to stick at C. Think of him more as a 1B/DH prospect right now. Mark Wagner (great numbers at Lancaster, but y’know, that’s Lancaster.) His patience has been great in the pros, and he’s said to be an EXCELLENT defender. He’s a C prospect who will probably make it to the bigs, even if he spends most of his career as a defensive-minded backup. Dusty Brown may be a possibility as well. (.797 OPS at Portland)
    In terms of someone with actual promise, Jon Egan, perhaps. He’s probably 2-3 years away from Pawtucket unless he smokes the ball from day one next season. Still young (20, I think) for a C prospect.

    QuoSF October 1, 2007, 2:37 am
  • Kottaras, btw, has some of the strangest home/road splits (we’re talking Ervin Santana strange.)
    Home: .551 OPS, .211 BABIP, 44 of 73 total Ks, 9 of 31 total BB.
    Away: .900 OPS, .369 BABIP.
    He also finished relatively strong overall (July: .966 OPS, August: .830 OPS), with his ridiculously abysmal May (.371) dragging down what is really otherwise a halfway acceptable season.
    We could choose to be encouraged. After all, he’d play zero of his home games with us at McCoy.

    QuoSF October 1, 2007, 2:44 am
  • All of that BS, by the way, from soxprospects.com or minorleaguesplits.com (only a matter of time until this data is available on B-R III: Back to the Minors, I’m sure).

    QuoSF October 1, 2007, 2:55 am
  • Bad news, Red Sox fans. Steve Phillips picked Boston to win the World Series on Baseball Tonight. You know what that means.

    doug YF October 1, 2007, 3:16 am
  • Consider:
    Tek – age 23 (AA): .224 .340 .361 .701 (352 AB)
    Kot – age 23 (AA): .277 .395 .453 .848 (256 AB)
    Tek – age 24 (AA): .262 .350 .406 .756 (503 AB)
    Kot – age 24 (AAA): .241 .316 .408 .724 (294 AB)
    Tek – age 25 (AAA): .254 .329 .443 .772 (307 AB)
    Kot – age 25 (AAA): ???
    Catchers notoriously develop later than other hitters. Kottaras is right on track. He’ll be ready as soon as next year, if the need should arise. I expect Kottaras will put a Tek-type career – nothing outstanding but a few solid seasons and right around league average overall. But he very well could be better.

    Pete October 1, 2007, 8:30 am
  • “Bottom line is, the FA pool of backup catchers might net us a marginal offensive upgrade who could be a more than marginal defensive downgrade from Belli.”
    It doesn’t have to be a free agent catcher. Look what Cashman did in the midseason: traded a mid-level, AA relief prospect having a solid season (Jeff Kennard…who then went on to bomb) for Jose Molina, who is known for his defense and strong arm, but was a regular at one point because he’s not a complete black hole with the bat.

    AndrewYF October 1, 2007, 1:14 pm
  • Yeah, but Molina was going to be a free agent. The Yanks will have to pay to re-sign him because he could be a starter for another team.

    Pete October 1, 2007, 1:24 pm
  • Anyone know if Kottaras has been catching Charlie Zink in the minors? They’ve been on the same team the last two years.

    Pete October 1, 2007, 1:30 pm
  • “Yeah, but Molina was going to be a free agent. The Yanks will have to pay to re-sign him because he could be a starter for another team.”
    Well, when I said “regular”, I misspoke. He could be a regular fill-in, but he has never been a team’s regular starting catcher for a full season. The most games he ever appeared in for a season is 78. I seriously doubt anyone gives him a starting job, or at least a deal longer than two years. Expect him to sign with the Yankees. But my point still stands, it doesn’t have to be a free agent.

    AndrewYF October 1, 2007, 1:43 pm
  • Fair enough, Andrew. I also think the Yanks re-sign him. Me, I think the Sox wait and see what they have in Kottaras in the first half of next year. His numbers have actually been pretty good for a catcher in the international league. Indeed, BA just posted what the average hitter in that league did this year:
    .263 .333 .397
    So our Georgie is right about average for his league. That’s actually pretty darn good considering he’s still 24 and catching. If anything, the Sox probably rushed him this year.

    Pete October 1, 2007, 1:50 pm
  • It doesn’t have to be a FA, but my point still stands. Based on RC/G, I think Belli was like 3rd or 4th in the AL among backups. I’m not sure there’s much out there period.
    I am curious as to whether (with Kenji Johjima’s performance this season), the M’s might be willing to part with Jeff Clement. I doubt it, with Johjima being 30+.
    Also, anyone else interested in Gerald Laird of the Rangers? I would guess they would/should go with Saltalamacchia full-time next season. Has always been good defensively, and may be able to get closer to his .805 OPS in 2006. Though, given that he was probably pretty lucky that year, it’s not a safe bet by any means.

    QuoSF October 1, 2007, 1:58 pm
  • Pete = Jim Dean.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 1, 2007, 2:01 pm
  • That’s the only way to explain his fascination with Kottaras. How many people in this world can be such HUGE fans of a minor league catcher? It also explains why he is constantly bashing the Sox, but yet he proclaims to be a Sox fan.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 1, 2007, 2:03 pm
  • Who’s Jim Dean?

    Pete October 1, 2007, 2:04 pm
  • I’m actually a fan of all of the Sox young players – thus the vitriol for the Gagne trade based solely on Beltre’s inclusion. I’d like to see them give Lowrie a shot at 3B too. He hits enough to replace Lowell.

    Pete October 1, 2007, 2:06 pm
  • By the way, you guys have to come up with a new way to insult me. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – My bashing of the Sox front office is directly proportional to the rampant homerism I found when I first showed up here. It’s like the FO can do no wrong, even as they’ve had an absolutely terrible year. Indeed, the reason they won the division is not because of the players they acquired (though Oki helped greatly – still who would have predicted that) but rather because the players they already had last year performed to the level they were capable of AND they didn’t deal with many injuries. Between Drew and Lugo and the trades involving Gagne and WMP – the Sox FO can do so much better. That’s my opinion any ways. Sorry if many of you have trouble dealing with that.

    Pete October 1, 2007, 2:14 pm
  • Pete. There’s no way to assume that Jed Lowrie would hit at the ML level in such a way as to replace Mike Lowell. He’s also played what, a handful of games at 3B at the professional level?
    Though I agree with you about Beltre potentially coming back to haunt us, I don’t think it’s wise to go into ST with Jed Lowrie the assumed starter at 3B for the Sox.
    Can’t be worse defensively than Chad Spann was though, right?

    QuoSF October 1, 2007, 2:14 pm
  • I am in no way insulting you, so don’t put words in my mouth. I am only saying that it’s a huge coincedence that you too are a HUGE fan of Kottaras(and mention him over and over and over again) and constantly bash the Sox FO.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 1, 2007, 2:17 pm
  • Well Lowrie has proven he’s a decent SS. So I can’t imagine it would be that hard to move to 3B. And no, he won’t reproduce Lowell’s numbers from this year. But would Lowell? And what if he requires a three or four year contract at 10 million per?
    Between Youk, Lowrie, and Carter, the Sox would be covered for 1B and 3B and could simply play the hot prospect or base it around matchups. Youk flips between 1B and 3B (and his bat is more valuable as a 3B).

    Pete October 1, 2007, 2:22 pm
  • What the hell are you talking about, John? I don’t think I’ve brought up Kottaras before and only cited the numbers because people here were too quick to dismiss him and look for other options. He’s very much still in play especially because he’s already ahead of where Tek was at the same age.

    Pete October 1, 2007, 2:25 pm
  • Any one notice that Carter and Lowrie played at Stanford together? For two years too. That’s pretty cool. And both smoked the ball there – 1000 OPS.

    Pete October 1, 2007, 2:30 pm

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