Leaving on a Jet Plane

It’s 5:30am on the East Coast and no news yet.  The Sox (and Peter Gammons) say that Daisuke Matsuzaka has to be on a plane for Boston this morning, or there’s not enough time to do a deal.  I call BS.  California is a big state. LA is a big city.  With lots of sports teams. And even more doctors.  This is another transparent move to put pressure on Scott Boras.  It won’t work.  The deadline isn’t takeoff. 

I will be on the road all day, unfortunately.  The rest of you can use this as a free-form open thread for all things Matsuzaka-san.

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  • Michael Silverman, from the Herald:
    “No one wants to go on the record as of yet but here’s the latest info, according to plugged-in sources: The Red Sox’ latest offer to Matsuzaka is six years for $8 million. Matsuzaka has counter-offered with six years for $11 million and that is the deal the Red Sox are weighing heading into the early hours of Wednesday morning.
    The Red Sox are saying that if Matsuzaka is not on John Henry’s plane that heads back to Boston this morning, there is no chance of the deal getting done because he will not have time to have a physical. Matsuzaka’s camp is not concerned with the Red Sox’ timeline on private jets and physicals.”
    If accurate, what’s the holdup? SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE AND CALL IT A DAY!

    SF December 13, 2006, 5:51 am
  • This is really interesting to watch, in the same way a bad car accident turns heads: it simultaneously fascinates and disgusts. Between the Sox’ incompetence and Boras’ greed, what a spectacle!
    I suspect the deal will get done at around $10-$11MM per year. That’s a lot of green for an unproven pitcher.
    At the end of the day, I expect Matsuzaka to be a number #3 starter. Once MLB players start to really study him, I don’t think he will dominate.
    No matter what, I will boo him and the Sox. Thanks for the show, chumps!

    Cambridge Yankees Fan December 13, 2006, 7:33 am
  • Iff Matsuzaka only want $11M per year, freaking get it done. That’s far less than any of the “reasonable” guesses we were throwing around last night.

    Paul SF December 13, 2006, 7:53 am
  • As a Yankee fan, I hope the sox get him. I hope boras extracts as much money as possible from Henry and the “evil empire” hypocrite, Larry lucchino, and you get your man.
    And then I hope that all sox fans feel like they’re real insiders for predicting the signing, and talk about how they outbid the yanks. And hopefully, the sox nation will continue to brag about this guy ad nauseum.
    And then I hope he gets absolutely shelled like Josh beckett, and the sox get to eat his fat contract, and all of you regret that boras didn’t want more money so no deal wouldve been done.

    jeb December 13, 2006, 8:04 am
  • months before this kid was posted, i was hoping the yankees would get him.
    now? i’m relieved that they didn’t.
    i don’t know if i could handle this rollercoaster. this is torturous, and it isn’t even my team.
    in six months’ time, i may be changing my tune yet again.
    (i hope not.)

    Yankee Fan In Boston December 13, 2006, 8:35 am
  • I am still sore the Yanks don’t have him. Plus, I don’t think there’d be this drama if they did win the posting because George would throw whatever money needed around so he could have his shiny new toy.
    I still think the Sox will get this done, but i’m having a hard time thinking that DMat is “only” asking for 6/66m. If that’s really the case, then why the hell haven’t Theo & Co agreed to sign him? Sounds like a bargain to me. Plus, can the SFs here agree that offering the guy 8m a year in this market is really kinda lowballing him.

    Sam December 13, 2006, 8:57 am
  • Sam, I would assume the deal also calls for a number of incentives that could make the deal worth $18-20 per season if they are all met.
    Im sure theo and company are weighing the incentives portion of the offer before making a decision or a counter offer.

    Anonymous December 13, 2006, 9:01 am
  • 8 mil per is low-balling him.. if you don’t factor in that huge 51 mil they have to pay with it.. ;)

    Lar December 13, 2006, 9:02 am
  • Paul, I am with you. DM for $11 per is a steal. If the red sox do not step up to the plate to that I would be estatic. I mean we all know that extra $3 mill per year will go to some terrible middle reliever who will have a 7 era before being sent down. I love how DM’s camp is not concerned with timelines. Ha.

    Seth December 13, 2006, 9:04 am
  • i am a bit skeptical about that report above, too. $11M is a steal, going by today’s rate.
    i just heard that the sox said that they are leaving california at 2:45 eastern time, and the negotiations will be finished at that point, no matter the outcome. they will supposedly announce if a deal has been made at that time.
    anyone else hearing anything similar? (my source is not all that reliable. …and he cited EEI, so that didn’t help his case.)

    Yankee Fan In Boston December 13, 2006, 9:08 am
  • In an interview on Boston sports radio station WEEI 850 AM this morning, shortstop Julio Lugo confirmed that his deal with the Red Sox was official, and that he would be introduced by the team at a press conference today at 3:30 p.m. The Red Sox have not yet confirmed that information.

    TJ Sox Fan December 13, 2006, 9:14 am
  • Glad the rational yfs overruled their sour-grapes-spewing brethren.
    It seems the Yanks and Mets also thought Matsu was worth about $8M per year, too, though, as Cafardo said in his online piece yesterday. So perhaps it was the fans who overrated DM’s monetary value.

    Paul SF December 13, 2006, 9:16 am
  • paul, were those numbers being tossed about before or after meche and lilly signed? because those contracts have had an effect on the market. (see batista, m.)

    Yankee Fan In Boston December 13, 2006, 9:20 am
  • Rational YFs rule!
    Anyway, Paul, I guess this is Boras’ point, right? If these numbers are to be believed, then the Sox are saying that 6/66m + posting fee is really 19m+ a year, which is too much, hence the 8m per offer. But if I’m Boras, I’d be saying, you should have factored that into your calculations before bidding 51m. Because, you know, 8m a year for supposedly one of the best pitchers on the planet is rather cheeky.
    Also, the Yanks and Mets may have thought that too at the start of the process. But that was before Adam Eaton got 3/24 and Gil Meche got 5/55m.

    Sam December 13, 2006, 9:20 am
  • If the Sox essentially increased their offer from $6M to $8M while simultaneously getting Boras to drop from $20M to $11M, perhaps they should sign while they’re ahead.
    Maybe Dave Pinto can say the Sox are playing Boras like a Stradivarius.

    Paul SF December 13, 2006, 9:20 am
  • YFinB – great minds think alike!

    Sam December 13, 2006, 9:21 am
  • (high five, sam)

    Anonymous December 13, 2006, 9:21 am
  • Mets signing Matsu really set them back a while? Good (*rich) teams can make up for slight miscalcualtions. Especially when the reward far outweights the risk (best pitcher in baseball vs Matt Clement is a $3m bet I would take if I was a team)

    Seth December 13, 2006, 9:26 am
  • Just in case we don’t have enough to talk about…
    “One of my best baseball sources says the Red Sox have made the most impressive pitch to Clemens, offering him the opportunity to have a contract much like the one the Astros gave him. He’ll be able to pitch, work out on his own, attend family functions and arrive late to the roster. One difference: Rather than a half-season, Roger will pitch for slightly more — close to two-thirds of the season.
    “The only unknown is whether the Sox’ ongoing negotiations with Japanese sensation Daisuke Matsuzaka will impact the money the Red Sox will offer Clemens. That’s TBA.” — 12.12.06, John P. Lopez, Houston Chronicle

    LocklandSF December 13, 2006, 9:28 am
  • how would clemens be received if he came back to boston? whenever his name comes up around my sox fan friends, fists clench and people mutter explitives under their breath…
    would all be forgiven instantly?

    Yankee Fan In Boston December 13, 2006, 9:31 am
  • He’ll be able to pitch, work out on his own, attend family functions and arrive late to the roster.
    And I thought J Henry was only lending his plane out for special last minute negotations.

    Seth December 13, 2006, 9:37 am
  • I, for one, would welcome him home with open arms.

    LocklandSF December 13, 2006, 9:41 am
  • i had read somewhere the other day that clemens said that he would consider filling the sox’s closer role.
    …but i don’t see how that would work with his scheduling demands…

    Yankee Fan In Boston December 13, 2006, 9:42 am
  • YFiB, the concept was thrown around on talk radio, but I don’t think Clemens ever said it. Then Clemens’s agent came out and said it was the most absurd think he had ever heard and it would never happen.
    It is, by the way, the most absurd rumor ever, for about 1000 reasons.

    LocklandSF December 13, 2006, 9:53 am
  • i’m wondering if these other rumors of his return are as baseless.

    Yankee Fan In Boston December 13, 2006, 9:57 am
  • i’m wondering if these other rumors of his return are as baseless
    probably. But if he does return, and they sign Matsuzuka, that rotation is absolutly sick.

    Brad December 13, 2006, 10:10 am
  • if they get both, (and matsuzaka plays up to boras’ hype) they could start selling playoff tickets whenever they chose.

    Yankee Fan In Boston December 13, 2006, 10:13 am
  • Imagine:
    Schilling
    Clemens
    Beckett
    Matsuzuka
    Papelbon/Wakefield
    They probably move one of them to the pen at the end, and my guess would be Papelbon.
    Ewww. It’s filthy to even write.

    Brad December 13, 2006, 10:16 am
  • Line up the lefties.

    Seth December 13, 2006, 10:22 am
  • hard to imagine this deal not getting done if we can believe the numbers being rumored: 8m v 11m…it is a little strange that less than 24 hours ago we heard boras was near 18-20m, while the sox were at 7-8m, so you gotta wonder if the big swing was about the guaranteed v. incentives portion that anon mentioned…boras may initially have wanted more guaranteed money…
    bob ryan said in today’s globe that the sox initial offer was rumored to be 6-7m over 4-6yrs, so the rumored 8m revised offer is in line…
    right now the difference doesn’t look so big…$3m these days is coffee money, but it would represent a 38% increase over the sox 8m offer, and they supposedly walked away from the arod deal for less than that…i’d say, get the deal done for 10m, and get it over with…
    the clemens saga will be interesting, especially if the sox don’t sign dm…i’d give boston the edge, only because the chance to return to the team he started with may be a bigger attraction than rejoining pettite in ny…he’s done the batman and robin thing with pettite twice now, so he stays home in houston, or takes the sox up on their offer of a farewell tour…

    dc December 13, 2006, 10:23 am
  • Papelbon isnt going to the bullpen. Wakefield would move to long relief.

    TJ Sox Fan December 13, 2006, 10:26 am
  • Devile’s Advocate: Schilling is nearing the end, Beckett has, ahem, issues, Clemens hasn’t pitched in the AL for three years and has run out of juice towards the end of recent seasons – and it 44 – Wake is increasingly injury-prone and Lil Papi is untested as a starter. Plus, you haven’t signed DMat ;)

    Sam December 13, 2006, 10:27 am
  • I hope Pap is a starter. I do not want to see him as the closer. I would much rather have my guys face Timlin or Tavarez

    Seth December 13, 2006, 10:29 am
  • or even otsuka.

    Yankee Fan In Boston December 13, 2006, 10:29 am
  • Clemens has to realize what a return to Boston would mean to his legacy. I’m not saying that Yankee fans wouldn’t love his return to NY, but as far as the story book ending, a return to Boston would have a larger impact on his future. He woukld be a lock to get his number retired, he would set the Red Sox record for wins, and so much more that he just won’t get in NY.

    LocklandSF December 13, 2006, 10:30 am
  • Sam, I can pee in my own cherios, thank you very much. :-)

    LocklandSF December 13, 2006, 10:31 am
  • Sam, is there anything else? Why not try to shat on the pitching coach? Schilling is better than anyone on either of our staffs in the playoffs or a big game. And, I’m assuming that Pettite is more talented than Clemens in your view, because the location thing applies to him. Johnson is absolutely worse off than Wake at the current moment, and “lil-Papi” (is that your own moronic nickname?) has in fact started and did pretty well fresh into the leauge.
    But, I’m sure you’re right. The Yankees have shown to absolutely kill good pitching in the playoffs. We shouldn’t get Clemens or DMat, we should be going after Kenny Rogers.
    Look at your own staff before judging that one.

    Brad December 13, 2006, 10:34 am
  • at the risk of being caught in the crossfire, i don’t think sam said anything about the yankees pitching staff being in a better position than that of the sox.

    Yankee Fan In Boston December 13, 2006, 10:36 am
  • Damn Brad, he was just playing devils advocate, go easy big fella.

    LocklandSF December 13, 2006, 10:36 am
  • But Lockland, everyone knows that the end-all is the honor and validation that comes from pitching in New York. He’s clearly wanting to go into the hall with that filthy NY on his hat, and why would he not want to follow his boyfriend? C’Mon. I’d love to have him back, but lets just say that Boston get’s DMat – NY knows that a major issue in the long series, and will throw the house at him for a one year deal. I’d love to have him back, but not for 22 or 23 million. Forget it if that’s what it takes. Besides, I don’t really think Schilling and Clemens could co-exist all year without trouble (see Pedro).
    It would be nice for him to be closer, but if in fact he did that, he has to be available every day, which would mean no four day trips home every six days, so I’d assume that’s out.

    Brad December 13, 2006, 10:39 am
  • Oh Jesus, so was I! Please don’t take that seriously.

    Brad December 13, 2006, 10:39 am
  • “I don’t really think Schilling and Clemens could co-exist all year without trouble (see Pedro).”
    I don’t know where the kidding starts and ends in that post… But just in case…
    Schilling idolizes Clemens and attributes his relationship with Clemens for a great deal of his success.

    LocklandSF December 13, 2006, 10:44 am
  • Schilling idolizes Clemens and attributes his relationship with Clemens for a great deal of his success.
    That’s right! I forgot all about that conversation. Nice catch, Lockland. I was just thinking along the “too many chiefs” line of reasoning. I was just remembering the “who’s the number one” stuff that was continually being brought up between Pedro and Schilling in 2004

    Brad December 13, 2006, 11:00 am
  • Yeah, Brad, I have nothing to say about the Yanks pitching staff – except that I would never claim that it’s the best one around!
    Of course, I was stoking the fires. *If* the Sox get Clemens and DMat they would clearly have the best rotation in the AL on paper. But a) they don’t have either right now, and b) the game is played on grass. Or in the air, if Beckett’s pitching…

    Sam December 13, 2006, 11:04 am
  • Epstein’s 100 million figure reported yesterday makes one thing clear: the sox brass are not separating the posting fee from the price of the contract, as many on this site have repeated ad nauseum

    Andrews December 13, 2006, 11:06 am
  • Epstein’s 100 million figure reported yesterday makes one thing clear: the sox brass are not separating the posting fee from the price of the contract, as many on this site have repeated ad nauseum

    Andrews December 13, 2006, 11:06 am
  • sorry for the twin

    Andrews December 13, 2006, 11:10 am
  • “Or in the air, if Beckett’s pitching…”
    heheheh…

    Yankee Fan In Boston December 13, 2006, 11:12 am
  • …i’ve softened a bit in my thinking about whether shilling could share the ace spotlight with clemens…this might be the last year for both, neither one of them have anything to prove anymore, other and while shilling does enjoy being the big fish, he may give some room to a guy, as lockland points out , that he admires and respects…

    dc December 13, 2006, 11:13 am
  • “Of course, I was stoking the fires. *If* the Sox get Clemens and DMat they would clearly have the best rotation in the AL on paper. But a) they don’t have either right now, and b) the game is played on grass. Or in the air, if Beckett’s pitching…”
    pwned!

    10019 December 13, 2006, 11:14 am
  • Suka should not take $8 mill per year.
    Even if he makes much less for 1 year in Japan, teams will step up to the plate next year and pay him a min of $13 per year. For injury risk take our some insurance. Sox are dropping the ball on this one.

    Seth December 13, 2006, 11:19 am
  • Didn’t they have the best team in the AL on paper last year?

    Lar December 13, 2006, 11:21 am
  • for the record, because of time lost due to an injury, matsuzaka will not be a free agent until may, 2008.

    Yankee Fan In Boston December 13, 2006, 11:21 am
  • http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061213&content_id=1760317&vkey=hotstove2006&fext=.jsp
    Am I the only one that feels like a yoyo? I still think he’ll sign though. Maybe there’s just nothing else to write about..

    Lar December 13, 2006, 11:23 am
  • that’s what i’m saying, lar.
    my team isn’t involved, and i can’t keep my finger from refreshing a series of pages, looking for any shred of news.

    Yankee Fan In Boston December 13, 2006, 11:31 am
  • i’m with you, guys. nothing like a little drama to spice up the bland offseason

    Andrews December 13, 2006, 11:34 am
  • for the record, because of time lost due to an injury, matsuzaka will not be a free agent until may, 2008.
    He can be reposted. And will be unless the system changes. Or Seibu feels like making him suffer.

    Seth December 13, 2006, 11:37 am
  • “He can be reposted.”
    true dat.

    Yankee Fan In Boston December 13, 2006, 11:39 am
  • And to be fair, the Yanks also had the “best team” on paper going into the playoffs. But ya.
    I wonder the argument that “National Treasure” of Japan should be worth more would be spinned enough in the Japanese market that maybe he wouldn’t be “shamed” as much..

    Lar December 13, 2006, 11:40 am
  • Or Seibu feels like making him suffer.
    Or Seibu feels like the process is a joke and knowing what teams will bid to get him greatly reduces the fact that Boras will let him sign. Why waste their time again with hopes of getting their franchise out of bankruptcy only to have Boras bring the kid back a month later empty handed.
    :)

    Brad December 13, 2006, 11:40 am
  • “Epstein’s 100 million figure reported yesterday makes one thing clear: the sox brass are not separating the posting fee from the price of the contract, as many on this site have repeated ad nauseum.”
    Andrews, the Red Sox are calculating the $51M in with how much they want to PAY for Matsuzaka. The posting fee is still separate from his salary in terms of payroll and how much the Sox will be paying per year. It’s still inaccurate to say the Sox will be paying $20M per year for Matsuzaka, counting the posting fee, because the posting fee is paid up front. It is accurate to say the Red Sox will pay a total of $100M for Matsuzaka including the posting fee. It’s the breaking it down per year over the life of the contract for no apparent reason that I at least have kept objecting to.

    Paul SF December 13, 2006, 11:41 am
  • brad, if matsuzaka isn’t signed, i don’t think boras would be representing him next time around.

    Yankee Fan In Boston December 13, 2006, 11:43 am
  • Paul – but you can argue that it cost *more* per year because you’re paying that 51 mil upfront. Inflation aside, the mere opportunity cost of interest rates makes it so. Nevermind that at least in theory they can invest better with the money..
    And the math’s the same (roughly) if they take out a loan to amortize it – they would have to pay interest on it..

    Lar December 13, 2006, 11:44 am
  • YF in Bos – why not? You already sat out a year, you might as well as get the top dollar instead of a lesser agent..

    Lar December 13, 2006, 11:45 am
  • Whenever I advocated for looking at it separately, I did so because of the different sources of the funds and the different destinations of the funds. The fact that they’re being lumped together philosophically to determine value doesn’t strike me as inconsistent, so maybe everyone is right!

    Paul SF December 13, 2006, 11:48 am
  • brad, for the potential that other teams being more wary of dealing with boras.
    i’d fire my agent if he didn’t get me a contract (and i was as promising as matsuzaka).

    Yankee Fan In Boston December 13, 2006, 11:54 am
  • “Asahi Television’s evening news was just reporting on the big story, and had a man on the street in LA covering the wee morning beat on the Matsuzaka front. The LA reporter indicated that the Red Sox had in fact increased their offer, Boras seemed relieved, and the decision was now up to Matsuzaka about what he wants to do.
    If all of that is true, and I read the tone of the report correctly, they believe that Daisuke is going to take the money. That said, I think no one knows. It’s still all speculation.”
    — Mike Plugh at Matsuzaka Watch, apparently several hours ago.

    Paul SF December 13, 2006, 11:58 am
  • Ive seen one article talking about the Lions parent company having financial issues, but you guys really think the $51 million would be the difference between bankruptcy and being in the black?

    10019 December 13, 2006, 11:58 am
  • 10019, i read somewhere that this posting fee could pay their players’ salaries for 3 years.
    that’s big. (if accurate.)

    Yankee Fan In Boston December 13, 2006, 12:00 pm
  • Ive seen one article talking about the Lions parent company having financial issues, but you guys really think the $51 million would be the difference between bankruptcy and being in the black?
    There was an article from the Times posted here a couple weeks ago, which fully went into the financial hardship of that franchise. They are currently very close to filing bankruptcy over a couple hotels they built, and the 51mill put them way back into the black.
    So, in short, yes it is true that they are in very bad shape, which is why they are parting with their star to begin with.

    Brad December 13, 2006, 12:01 pm
  • YFIB, that’s the article I’m referring to.

    Brad December 13, 2006, 12:02 pm
  • The president of Seibu already stated how the posting fee was to be spent, a large portion goes to Japanese taxes, a big chunk for player payroll and the remainder going to park impovements, new fieldbox seats to be exact.
    Anyone have that press release handy?

    LocklandSF December 13, 2006, 12:05 pm
  • It’s my contention that Seibu made the statement to make it even more difficult for Matsuzaka to turn down an offer.

    LocklandSF December 13, 2006, 12:06 pm
  • Seems like the sox feel they are entitled to a discount because of their extravagant bid. C’mon, 8 mil for a pitcher of his potential? Get real.

    Andrews December 13, 2006, 12:09 pm
  • It’s my contention that Seibu made the statement to make it even more difficult for Matsuzaka to turn down an offer.
    Hence, him knowing that going home, having turned down 3x what he was going to make there, and putting his franchise in Japan back into the problems they had last year, automatically makes him public enemy number one with the team.
    Fun times for Matsuzuka.

    Brad December 13, 2006, 12:10 pm
  • 8 mil — exactly what the Yanks paid for Jose Contreras. Those lowballers.

    Paul SF December 13, 2006, 12:11 pm
  • Paul SF – are you joking with that last comment?

    Lar December 13, 2006, 12:13 pm
  • Seems like the sox feel they are entitled to a discount because of their extravagant bid. C’mon, 8 mil for a pitcher of his potential? Get real…
    I agree, Andrews. I believe in fact, that they should pay the 11mil if that’s the question. Unless of course, we don’t know the contracts fine print, which could bring the kid up to a lot more money based on performance. If that’s the case, I can see the Sox argument. By saying to Boras “we have no problem with 11mill, but he’s going to have to actually prove he’s worth it”, does not make them selfish, but rather, reasonable.

    Brad December 13, 2006, 12:13 pm
  • Yes, Lar. I was.
    I agree that the Red Sox cannot let this deal go away if Boras is actually offering $11M. I will be pissed. I understand that combining with the posting fee makes it $19.5M a year or whatever. But for the Sox to use that argument after justifying the huge posting fee by saying it’s not payroll wouldn’t be cool. This is a $120M negotiation, and for a total difference of $3M a year they’ll let it go?
    God, I hope not.

    Paul SF December 13, 2006, 12:16 pm
  • “8 mil — exactly what the Yanks paid for Jose Contreras. Those lowballers.”
    Paul, That was 2002. For a little perspective: I bought my house then and now it has almost doubled in value.

    Andrews December 13, 2006, 12:16 pm
  • UPDATE: Silverman at the herald reporting that Dice and boras are “minutes away” from getting on henry’s plane. No solid deal yet but negotiations will continue on the plane.

    T-sf December 13, 2006, 12:17 pm
  • T-sf December 13, 2006, 12:19 pm
  • I still think the deal will get done, but these 3 have a history of digging in their heels over a relatively small amount of money.

    Andrews December 13, 2006, 12:20 pm
  • from memory about $21 million to taxes in Japan. Another $16 million to payroll and around $6 m,illion to stadium improvements. That leaves about $8 million unspent.

    TJ December 13, 2006, 12:22 pm
  • UPDATE: Silverman at the herald reporting that Dice and boras are “minutes away” from getting on henry’s plane. No solid deal yet but negotiations will continue on the plane.
    I’ll take this as “deal done”. End of speculation if this is in fact the case.

    Brad December 13, 2006, 12:24 pm
  • Can the Sox please sign this guy so we can move on? Holy cow. Once it’s done we can finally get back to the important things, Yankees vs. Red Sox.

    Triskaidekaphobia December 13, 2006, 12:50 pm
  • Hedingu Higashi!
    Great news :D

    TJ December 13, 2006, 12:54 pm
  • Globe has it too:
    A source close to the negotiations confirmed that the Red Sox contingent in Southern California is flying back to Boston with pitcher Daisuke Matsuzka and his agent, Scott Boras, on board.
    “You can assume that a deal is done or close,” said another source with direct knowledge of the talks.
    http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/

    airk December 13, 2006, 12:54 pm
  • If the talks fall through while they’re on the plane, does Boras make an exit somewhere over the Rockies?

    yankeemonkey December 13, 2006, 1:01 pm
  • ESPN is reporting “They all took off together,” Red Sox owner John Henry said in an e-mail to The Associated Press.
    Are the sox in that much financial trouble that they cannot afford a PR rep? wow. The must be going through all the piggy banks to get Suka a deal

    Seth December 13, 2006, 1:07 pm
  • LOL — did he jump or was he pushed?!?

    airk December 13, 2006, 1:07 pm
  • If the reports are true that the difference was really $8mn vs. $11mn/year, both parties should be embarrassed for the awful waste of time and unnecessary drama.
    The only thing missing from the account is whether Boras and D-mat boarded against their will.

    Will December 13, 2006, 1:08 pm
  • And the evil maniacal laugh, of course.

    Lar December 13, 2006, 1:14 pm
  • i take a lunch break, and come back to this….

    Yankee Fan In Boston December 13, 2006, 1:17 pm
  • I am driving through Mass. WEEI just received an email from John Henry that Boras, DM, et al are on the plane working out final details.

    SF December 13, 2006, 1:18 pm
  • My older brother is a pilot and had an opportunity to poke his head around JWH’s plane when he found him self waiting for a client and JWH’s plane happened to be parked next to the one he was flying.
    It’s sick, huge Red Sox logo on the carpet and Red Sox logos in the leather seats, the pilots wear Red Sox ties, there is Red Sox memorabilia inside, etc…
    If flying on that plane doesn’t convince Matsuzaka he’s with the right organization, nothing will.
    Sounds like a done deal to me.

    LocklandSF December 13, 2006, 1:19 pm
  • he wouldn’t be on the plane if they weren’t close.

    Yankee Fan In Boston December 13, 2006, 1:24 pm
  • Sign him, sign him, do the effin’ physical. Make it officially done!
    Then I can start properly fretting over the bullpen and the backup catcher…

    Devine December 13, 2006, 1:26 pm
  • Thank God Bob Ryan pre-emptively wrote a “Who to Blame?” column about all this.

    airk December 13, 2006, 1:32 pm
  • A Red Sox plane, who could say no to that! Ties, Logos…..Awesome! Sign him pleeeaaasse.

    Triskaidekaphobia December 13, 2006, 1:35 pm
  • Anyone else heard the Coco Crisp for Solomon Torres rumor?

    Seth December 13, 2006, 1:37 pm
  • I want a Red Sox plane, well, any plane will do, even a small one.
    JWH’s full time flight attendant is hot by the way.

    LocklandSF December 13, 2006, 1:40 pm
  • Seth, who is that? I can’t find him?
    Also, if WMP in in CF this year, and learn a little better plate discipline, that’s a ton of power through the middle of that lineup. Imagine a pitcher’s thinking if he’s waiting to get to WMP who can hit the ball further and harder, by accident, than any of them?

    Brad December 13, 2006, 1:42 pm
  • JWH’s full time flight attendant is hot by the way.
    ‘ya think? He is, after all, a multi-billionaire. What would your full-time flight attendant look like?:)

    Brad December 13, 2006, 1:44 pm
  • “Coco Crisp for Solomon Torres”
    Take that HOOD milk!!!
    Is Solomon even under contract with anyone? Isn’t he like 36 years old?
    I like the idea of WMP full time.

    LocklandSF December 13, 2006, 1:45 pm
  • Torres I believe is a reliever from Pittsburgh. He was their closer toward the end of the season..

    Lar December 13, 2006, 1:45 pm
  • Good! Sign him and may he become Clement as opposed to Clemens.

    jeb December 13, 2006, 1:48 pm
  • Ready for taking things too far? Here, you can track JWH’s plane!
    http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N611JW

    LocklandSF December 13, 2006, 1:55 pm
  • Brad
    http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribunereview/sports/s_483954.html
    Bottom half. Yankees are proposed in a deal too. Smells like Pitt trying to hype their own players but I love rumors.

    Seth December 13, 2006, 1:56 pm
  • That’s much appreciated Lockland (yes, I’ve checked it twice). You couldn’t perhaps install a tracking device in Matsuzaka’s hair so we can see when he gets to the physician’s, etc.?

    Devine December 13, 2006, 1:58 pm
  • Yeah, that tracking is a bit excessive…
    …by the way , they appear to be over New Mexico at the moment. ;)

    Scott SF December 13, 2006, 2:00 pm
  • Lock – great find. Is the pilot really taking the best path to Boston though. I think something is up and would bet Boras is behind it.

    Seth December 13, 2006, 2:01 pm
  • To complete this latest “drama”, I suppose they’ll have the obligatory police escort waiting, a la Mirabelli? Or maybe an armored car?
    Planes, gorilla suits, police escorts – That Theo sure is a wannabe thespian…

    Andrews December 13, 2006, 2:20 pm
  • SI is reporting the deal is done. 6 year at 52 million with incentives to go up to 60 million. keith oberman is already whinning on dan patricks show.

    sf rod December 13, 2006, 2:49 pm
  • Sweet…Now the Yankees can focus on Clemens. Glad this drama is over. This guy better be good or we are going to have fun with him in the Bronx!

    Triskaidekaphobia December 13, 2006, 3:05 pm
  • So if we sign Clemens, do our “starting lineup” rank among the best? ;)

    Lar December 13, 2006, 4:59 pm

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