Location, Location, Location

Chamberlain

Just in case you don’t think we’ve wasted enough pixels on the subject of Joba’s first chart, we refer you to the above start tracking his pitch location last night. More here.

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  • Looks like the umpire was pretty accurate to me, unless I’m missing something here?

    LocklandSF June 4, 2008, 3:50 pm
  • Not so sure about that, Lock. I see about nine “borderline” pitches, and eight pitches either in the box or just outside (“borderline”) were called balls, only one outside conversely called a strike. In that way, Joba got absolutely nothing borderline, which I think points to a very tight strikezone from the homeplate ump. I’d be curious to see Halladay’s chart as well, see what calls he was/wasn’t getting.

    SF June 4, 2008, 3:54 pm
  • Halladay wasn’t happy either. More than once he glared in after a non-strike call.

    ponch - sf June 4, 2008, 4:11 pm
  • I guess from what I have read last night/today, a lot of Yankee fans thought he was getting robbed. Borderline calls are just that, borderline. I only see two blatant mistakes, one for him and one against him.
    You’re right though, it would be interesting to see Halladay’s chart to see if it was at least a consistent tight zone.

    LocklandSF June 4, 2008, 4:13 pm
  • From that link, I found this interesting…
    “Also of interest is what Joba’s velocity (which has been down a little this season already) was going to be as a starter. On the Jays’ broadcast, he seemed to be down at 92-93 pretty often, but pitch f/x says he was throwing more 94-96, with occasional spikes up to 98, including a big strikeout of Rod Barajas to end the first inning with the bases loaded.”
    I have read in more than one place today talk of him hitting 100 several time and even breaking it once.

    LocklandSF June 4, 2008, 4:17 pm
  • I only see two blatant mistakes, one for him and one against him.
    Really? I see three pitches tracked as inside the zone, clearly, one right on the edge, all called balls, with one outside the zone called a strike. That’s four non-strike calls in 2.1 innings with only one gift back. That’s really shitty if you are Joba or a Yankee fan (or someone who wants the umps to get the calls reasonably correct).

    SF June 4, 2008, 4:18 pm
  • I’m just glad his first start is over with…let’s see how he pitches on Sunday. He’ll be OK. (if not we are really screwed)

    krueg June 4, 2008, 4:26 pm
  • Is the yellow box the “strike zone”? Or just the average strike zone? At least vertically there should be some variation, but either way..

    Lar June 4, 2008, 4:26 pm
  • I honestly don’t have a reference point, it’s my first time looking at this particular chart from this source, so I would need to see a few more to be totally sure. It just doesn’t look that bad, the two low pitches on the line I think could get called either way, same with the one in the upper right part of the zone. I could be wrong, but it doesn’t look that bad to me.

    LocklandSF June 4, 2008, 4:27 pm
  • The calls were bad last night. As said earlier, Halladay was pretty pissed at the ump as well. I still blame everything on Molina.

    krueg June 4, 2008, 4:34 pm
  • Is four bad calls out of 60+ pitches all that bad? That’s roughly 6 percent of his pitches. Or six bad calls in a nine-inning game, which would seem like pretty good umpiring to me.
    Of course, good and bad umpiring is all about consistency. A pitcher can figure out the strike zone as long as the ump sticks to it, and I don’t see much inconsistency there. Very little overlap between ball dots and strike dots.

    Paul SF June 4, 2008, 4:38 pm
  • Well Paul, when those four bad calls are all third strikes…yes, it’s bad.

    krueg June 4, 2008, 4:48 pm
  • Paul, 4/60 = 18/280, assuming that many pitches between two teams in a game. That’s one per inning per team in a nine inning game, effectively. I am not sure that’s “pretty good”.
    Again, it’s all about consistency – if this is the strike zone all game then that’s the deal and the pitchers have to adjust (and the hitters too). Unless the pitchers are on a 65-70 pitch count and don’t have time to adjust!

    SF June 4, 2008, 4:53 pm
  • The ump didn’t call a single low strike during Joba’s 60+ pitches. Maybe that’s not good from a rule book perspective, but it is consistent.
    Do we know those three pitches are exactly the three non-K calls? If they are, why did Joba keep throwing a pitch the umpire wasn’t calling a strike? Sure, the first two I can see. But three times? If you ain’t gettin’ the calls there, stop going to that well.
    Of course, he’s young, and that’s one of the things he’ll adjust to. I think he did well, all things considered. He certainly didn’t get tattooed, which would have been much more alarming, from his perspective.

    Paul SF June 4, 2008, 4:53 pm
  • …or the ump could just call a strike a strike? I do recall two pitches in the first inning that were third strikes (in my professional and unbiased opinion)called balls. I’m pretty sure the first batter was let off the hook if I remember correctly…my memory gets a little fuzzy sometimes. :)

    krueg June 4, 2008, 4:56 pm
  • part of a starters job is to adjust to that particular ump’s strikezone. halladay stared in after felling jobbed a few times in the first and then adjusted to not getting the low call. hickox was consistent last nite across the board. that’s all a pitcher can ask for.

    sf rod June 4, 2008, 5:22 pm
  • and somehow there is another chart:
    http://brooksbaseball.net/pfx/location.php?xml=http://gd2.mlb.com/components/game/mlb/year_2008/month_06/day_03/gid_2008_06_03_tormlb_nyamlb_1//pbp/pitchers/501955.xml&innings=yyyyyyyyy&s_type=1&sp_type=1&h_size=700&v_size=500
    which suggests that Joba was, indeed, being squeezed.
    WHich leads me to think that neither chart should be believed.

    Nick-YF June 4, 2008, 6:17 pm

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