Low Expectations: Sox-Jays Gamer III

Ed. Note: Last year, back when David Wells was pitching for the Sox, I wrote a game thread (which I can’t find right now) essentially giving up the game, and making fun of the fact that Wells couldn’t seem to be able to pitch without his knee falling off his body and rolling down the pitcher’s mound. Wells then went on to win the game. That in mind …

For the first time since 1988, a Sox staff has gone eight games without giving up more than three runs. For the first time since 2001, Sox starters have thrown quality starts in eight consecutive outings. The last time a starter failed to go at least six innings with three or fewer runs was when today’s pitcher — who hasn’t thrown a ball in competition in 12 days — was on the mound. That’s not a good sign.

Roy Halladay has been on more than one occasion labeled "the ace of the AL East." He’s a far better pitcher than Tomo Ohka, Gustavo Chacin, Robinson Tejeda or Gil Meche, pitchers that have inexplicably flummoxed the Sox lineup this season. That’s also not a good sign.

Apparently deciding it’s not worth the effort, Terry Francona has removed Mike Lowell and Julio Lugo for Eric Hinske and Alex Cora. Coco Crisp (.191 OBP) is leading off. That, again, is not a good sign.

It sure would be nice to have consecutive wins — and a nine-game streak of pitching awesomeness — under our belt before playing the Yankees. Let’s just say the signs point in other directions.

Red Sox

1. Coco Crisp, CF
2. Kevin Youkilis, 3B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Manny Ramirez, LF
5. J.D. Drew, RF
6. Jason Varitek, C
7. Eric Hinske, 1B
8. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
9. Alex Cora, SS

SP – Julian Tavarez

Blue Jays

1. Alex Rios, RF
2. Adam Lind, LF
3. Vernon Wells, CF
4. Frank Thomas, DH
5. Lyle Overbay, 1B
6. Aaron Hill, 2B
7. Gregg Zaun, C
8. Jason Smith, 3B
9. John McDonald, SS

SP – Roy Halladay

252 comments… add one
  • The Red Sox have the best run differential in the American League right now (+30). Expect that to change as soon as Crazyman takes the mound.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 12:27 pm
  • Anything can happen, but I really feel like the Sox will have to score early and often to win this game. If they don’t score six (against the best pitcher in the division), it’s hard to be optimistic.

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 12:34 pm
  • The lineup looks like a concession by Terry. The pitching mismatch combined with the bench players starting, plus what I believe is Youk’s first start at third this season.
    I wish our team the best, but I think it’s a good decision to have our starters rested for the Yankees series. I’d take a loss today to see a win in person on Saturday!

    Kazz April 19, 2007, 12:38 pm
  • Pitch in the middle of the plate on a 3-2 count and Crisp pops it up…

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 12:39 pm
  • Youk gets it going with the single. Come on, Papi!

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 12:41 pm
  • Grr. GIDP.

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 12:42 pm
  • I understand that Crisp isn’t hitting, but man, can the guy screw up any more hittable pitches? He gets one or two a game and just doesn’t capitalize on them. I’m not sure what else can be done. I hate to say it, but I’m starting to think that maybe Terry should sit him down for a few games. Maybe he just needs to relax or something cause he’s really sucking bad.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 12:43 pm
  • OK, the over/under on Tavarez’s walks this game is 4. I’ll take the over.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 12:45 pm
  • It seems the Sox might have made a mistake by not selling “high” in the offseason. Who knows? He might turn it around and have a great year. It’s early. But he’s not just struggling early (a la Manny), he’s tanking hard and showing no signs of improving.

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 12:45 pm
  • Is it just me, or does it look like Tavarez has zero idea where his pitches are going?

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 12:48 pm
  • So far so good (of course, that’s what we said last time, too). 1-2-3 first capped by striking out Vernon Wells. Not bad at all…

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 12:50 pm
  • OK, where’s Julian Tavarez? It appears someone has taken the real Julian Tavarez and replaced him with Folgers crystals.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 12:50 pm
  • matty, I don’t think Tavarez has any idea about anything!

    Brad April 19, 2007, 12:51 pm
  • Manny may not be hitting, but at least he’s getting on base still.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 12:54 pm
  • Thats right everyone. Eric Hinske is hitting .800.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 12:57 pm
  • 1-0, Sox on Hinske’s long fly out. I’ll take it.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 12:59 pm
  • he knows where that one went, matty!

    Brad April 19, 2007, 1:04 pm
  • See.,. I promise I won’t look then I do.. and I see our lineup.. and I vomit.
    CRISP LEADING OFF? I’m gonna go puke my guts out.
    And Julian “I suck” Tavaerez gives up one. I’m going back to my no watchign policy

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 1:06 pm
  • You turn your head for one minute…. Dammit, Tavarez! Dammit!

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 1:07 pm
  • You can’t stop Alex Cora, you can only hope to contain him!

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 1:11 pm
  • Did.. Crisp just do somethign right? Accoridng to Gameday he did.
    Maybe we just need to have him bunt 24/7

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 1:12 pm
  • Come on, Youk! Yr better than that… seriously.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 1:12 pm
  • Of course then Youk POPS OUT on a FIRST pitch
    Soemone needs to tell these boys not to swing at the first pitch

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 1:12 pm
  • By the way, if anyone isn’t following the total meltdown of the Phillies, they should be:
    deadspin.com/sports/baseball/charlie-manuel-continues-to-entertain-us-as-only-he-can-253566.php

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 1:13 pm
  • All the more reason to know they’re not keeping Howard at the end of the year!

    Brad April 19, 2007, 1:15 pm
  • If nothing else we’re making Halladay throw a lot of pitches.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 1:16 pm
  • This is when Manny must come up big. I’m not looking. Matty, tell me what happens

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 1:17 pm
  • nothing happens.

    Brad April 19, 2007, 1:18 pm
  • OK, I’m totally wrong. Halladay has thrown 36 pitches through 3 innings. So far both Manny and Papi have grounded into inning ending double plays. Not what you want out of the middle of your order.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 1:18 pm
  • This is disgusting. We had the BASES LOADED! One out!
    What the hell has to happen to get us some runs, dammit?

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 1:19 pm
  • Looks like the Sox got seriously jobbed on that call. He was out at first.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 1:20 pm
  • The Blue Jay’s channel doesn’t have the outs or the count on the screen. Ever. I find this very irritating.
    Double play! Nice going.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 1:22 pm
  • I have a theory. Maybe Manny is INTENTIONALLY sucking. I mean.. swinging at a first pitch in THAT situation? Has to be intentional.
    So maybe Manny is trying to suck so he’ll get traded. Thoughts?

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 1:22 pm
  • Also, we NEED to win this game by a minimum 4-run margin.
    Why?
    We used Papelbon last night. If we use him tonight, that limits his usability in the Yankee series. We WANT him available fo rthe Yankee seires.. especially the first game, Schill vs Pettite. I’m not sure Francona will use him three days in a row

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 1:24 pm
  • Dionysus, about Manny intentionally sucking… um, yr kidding right?
    Good point about Papelbon though. I agree. I think though that if its a close game today and theres a reason to use him, you use him today. You can’t manage the game tomorrow because we don’t know what that game is. Win today, and deal with tomorrow tomorrow.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 1:26 pm
  • Dio – Manny is situationally hitting on the first pitch, because no one expects him to!
    But ya, they’re making it too easy for Halladay..

    Lar April 19, 2007, 1:28 pm
  • Yeah I was kidding. Kinda. Thats just my bitter anxiety about our offnese leaking through in ways born of craziness.
    Oh, I agree about using him today if its that kind of situation… I’m just sayign I dont want to HAVE to use him. Hence why I want a 4-run lead in the 9th, so we don’t have to brign him in.

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 1:29 pm
  • Does anyone else get the feelling that Tek is just swinging at everything?

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 1:31 pm
  • Oh, yeah, I don’t want to have to use him either. But I’ll take the win today, and deal with tomorrow later. Even if it is the Yankees.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 1:32 pm
  • From everything I’ve read and seen about Manny, he doesn’t even think much about the count — or anything else when he’s up there… He looks for pitches he thinks he can hit, whether it’s #1 or #8.

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 1:33 pm
  • Please, don’t anyone say anything positive about Tavarez! I don’t want to jinx this.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 1:36 pm
  • Well, Hudson.. I’d argue with that mentality.
    Tehn I remember that Manny is an All Star, Hall of Fame player and I feel I must shut up. He MUST know best. Certainly better thna me

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 1:36 pm
  • Tavarez is awesome. He should be in the All-Star game this year.
    …What?

    yankeemonkey April 19, 2007, 1:37 pm
  • The only time I’ve ever seen Manny be stubborn on a count is 3-0. He never swings there.
    We had Halladay on the freaking ropes, I couldn’t believe we didn’t even get one run out of having the bases juiced, 1 out, with Manny and Drew coming up. Meh. Maybe the team should start playing some small-ball if Crisp gets on base.

    Steve April 19, 2007, 1:38 pm
  • I KNEW that some yankee fan would chime in after that comment… I should’ve kept my fat mouth shut.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 1:39 pm
  • Wow, that Pedroia-Cora-Crisp wrap at 8-9-1 is a vortex, at least on paper. I know Pedroia has been walking, but that appears to be the only way he can get on at the moment.

    SF April 19, 2007, 1:41 pm
  • So.. in the spirit of Paul’s mentioning of Wells..
    I hated Wells. People (YFs) talk abotu how we, as Sox fans, weere cofnident and excited for our pitching at the begining of LAST year and blah blah blah look how it ended.
    I’d liek to say: NO, I was NEVER confident with that pitching. I hated Wells with every breath I had in me. I never had ANY confidence in him, not ever. Not once. Not in ’05 when he started the year lookign HORRIBLE and I nicknamed him DYS (Dirty Yank Spy) and not in ’06.
    I also never really trusted Clement either. What a waste of money he has been.

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 1:41 pm
  • Heeheehee, glad to oblige, MM!
    Anyhow, I’m stuck at work, can only “watch” on Gameday and am insanely bored. Hence = trolling!

    yankeemonkey April 19, 2007, 1:41 pm
  • Tavarez has a lot to prove today, having been treated like a sixth wheel in the past week with the rainouts, and maybe has just enough attitude today to pull it off… Certainly no one could expect he’d be even with Halliday in runs and pitch counts right now. If not for the DPs, he might even have a comfortable lead to work with already.

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 1:42 pm
  • No problem, YM. I’ve been accused of such before and I don’t mind a bit coming the other direction.
    So, YM, how confident are you in this weekend’s series in the Fens?

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 1:43 pm
  • Updated batting averages:
    Crisp: .149
    Pedroia: .176
    Ramirez: .188
    Varitek: .200
    And those are everyday players. It’s a miracle the Sox are in first place…. Well, not a miracle — the reason is incredible pitching so far.

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 1:44 pm
  • What is conceptually more frustrating? Wasting a Daisuke or Schill gem? Or wasting a quality start from your #5 starter? Or are they the same?
    For me, it makes me steaming mad when you get a gem from someone completely unexpected and it goes for naught.

    SF April 19, 2007, 1:44 pm
  • The score is tied, SF. I don’t think this is going for naught. At least, naught yet.
    HA! (sorry)

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 1:45 pm
  • I am asking a conceptual question (that today’s game is making me think about) – which situation is more frustrating?

    SF April 19, 2007, 1:47 pm
  • Not especially. I have very low expectations but will gladly take a pleasant surprise….I think Friday will be a good, tight game, the rest probably won’t even be close. Then again, you never know. In any case, I’ll miss the whole series b/c I’m leaving for vacation tomorrow and I’m not particularly sorry. Still debating whether to DVR them or not.

    yankeemonkey April 19, 2007, 1:47 pm
  • I think they are equally frustrating. When yr starting pitching does well you should win the game. To me, it doesn’t matter who that pitcher is.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 1:48 pm
  • Julian! My man!
    Uh, runs, guys?

    SF April 19, 2007, 1:50 pm
  • Ia gree with matty. I don’t care who is pitching, this display of offensive crappiness is wholly unacceptable.
    Jeff, over at soxandpinstripes, has been discussing renewing the Helton deal and, y’know what?
    I support it now. We need soemthign to boost this offense.

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 1:51 pm
  • Just logged on and I’m pretending to pay attention to a conference call. But who stole the real Tavarez?

    rootbeerfloat April 19, 2007, 1:52 pm
  • Where does Helton fit in? Give up on Lowell and/or Youk?

    SF April 19, 2007, 1:54 pm
  • Hey Paul.
    I think this is the one you were referring to. It was easy to find just checked Wells stats for the two dates he actually won for Boston last year lol
    http://yanksfansoxfan.typepad.com/ysfs/2006/08/the_views_quite.html

    TJ April 19, 2007, 1:55 pm
  • RBT – I commented on that earlier. I think he was replaced with Folgers Crystals.
    Double for Big Papi!

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 1:55 pm
  • Papi with a double or a single/error, ends up on 2nd. Come on, Manny. Please please please please please Manny…

    SF April 19, 2007, 1:55 pm
  • I beleive the idea is you give up Lowell, who probably wouldnt be resigned after the season any way, and Tavarez and say Hansen.. then move Youk to thrid and stick Helton at first.
    Call up hansack to fill the 5th starter spot until Lester’s back.

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 1:56 pm
  • You could also call up Gabbard… but I’d say Hansack
    Dammit, Manny.

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 1:58 pm
  • And would that make Crisp and Tek start hitting?

    SF April 19, 2007, 1:58 pm
  • I can’t remember Manny struggling like this. I’m sure he has, but I can’t remember it.
    …and now they’re walking Drew. Not a bad move, actually, considering who is behind him.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 1:58 pm
  • Tek being shown little respect here. I don’t blame the Jays. Good baseball move, whether it works or not.

    SF April 19, 2007, 1:59 pm
  • Give up on Lowell. I like him but Youkilis is younger, more versatile, and already a better hitter.
    So at what point do we start freaking out about Manny? This is miles below what he did in either of the last two Aprils, and I’m really tired of the “Manny keeps getting robbed, he’s hitting the ball hard” line. That doesn’t work for an entire month.

    desturbd1 April 19, 2007, 1:59 pm
  • seriously, Manny. Come one.
    Make ’em pay Tek!

    Brad April 19, 2007, 1:59 pm
  • >>> But who stole the real Tavarez? <<< In the next inning, the Sox pitcher is going to rip off that rubber Orc mask to reveal he's really... Roger Clemens!

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 2:00 pm
  • Dammti, Tek

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 2:00 pm
  • Dammit, Tek! That was a very hittable pitch.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 2:00 pm
  • LOL HUDSON

    TJ April 19, 2007, 2:01 pm
  • 82 through 6 – do we count the 4 for the Intentional Walk?

    Lar April 19, 2007, 2:01 pm
  • Once again: So long as Manny produces at this clip, the offense will stagnate. I put roughly 35% of the team’s struggle to score runs squarely on his shoulders; Crisp, Tek, and Pedroia have been issues, but don’t kill the lineup close to as badly as he has.

    desturbd1 April 19, 2007, 2:02 pm
  • d1, i am now officially Worried abotu Manny.
    I’m worrie dabout this team in general. Great pitching can only take you so far. Our offense is an abomination. Halladay has NOT been sharp today.. we should have been spankign him aroudn all over the place

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 2:02 pm
  • Based on your <.200 threshold, Paul, which way is Varitek headed - the Pedroia route or the Crisp route? And seeing the Sox can't cut their "captain", how does that go down this year? Mirabelli starting half the games? Just wondering...

    jim - YF April 19, 2007, 2:03 pm
  • Dear Red Sox,
    Julian really can’t win this game on his own, so please start working some counts, and hitting the ball.
    Thanks,
    The Fans.

    Brad April 19, 2007, 2:05 pm
  • Manny didn’t his first homer until the 16th game last year. He started slow in 2005 too.
    Chill. He’ll hit. There’s no way the luck factor for Crisp and Pedroia stays as low as it has.
    Rios goes deep, 2-1 Jays.

    Steve April 19, 2007, 2:05 pm
  • Gah, another couple of weeks of this from Crisp and Tek and the Sox’ have legitimately classified dead weight on the offensive side of things. Not a good situation brewing, as far as I see it. I really, really hope I am wrong and these guys snap out of it.

    SF April 19, 2007, 2:06 pm
  • Jim,
    Thanks for checking in, but Varitek is going to be fine.

    Brad April 19, 2007, 2:06 pm
  • Ugh… you kinda knew that would happen at some point, huh?
    2-1, Canada.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 2:06 pm
  • SON AF B*TCH! There goes the game, ladies and gentlemen.. cause we obviously can’t score any more runs.

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 2:07 pm
  • yep.
    and so it goes.

    Brad April 19, 2007, 2:07 pm
  • Uh-oh, another solo shot off Juliana.
    .
    .
    .
    For Mirabelli to take over, I think they’d almost have to DL Tek to save face, give him some time off and then give him another try in a while. Do the Sox have any backup catchers worth their salt in the minors?

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 2:08 pm
  • A Rod 0-2 with 2 Ks :D

    TJ April 19, 2007, 2:08 pm
  • Jim is a troll. He appears only in Sox threads to pick fights with Sox fans. Everyone PLEASE ignore him from here on out, he’s a POS, basically, with no interest in anything but antagonizing. He’s more interested in denigrating the Sox and testing our patience than he is in discussing baseball on any kind of useful level. Please, do your best to let him go.
    Meanwhile, Joe Castiglione stupidly mentions how cold Rios is and then BOOM. Dumbass.

    SF April 19, 2007, 2:09 pm
  • George Kottaras is supposed to be above average defensively and a decent hitter as well.

    TJ April 19, 2007, 2:09 pm
  • Wheels coming off… Single and wild pitch puts Lind in scoring position with the fearsome V. Wells at the plate.

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 2:10 pm
  • Tavarez needs to be relieved.

    SF April 19, 2007, 2:10 pm
  • Dr. Faust-o owns Arod.

    yankeemonkey April 19, 2007, 2:10 pm
  • Whoops, wrong thread. Sorry!

    yankeemonkey April 19, 2007, 2:11 pm
  • Ugh, Wells double makes it 3-1.
    It was kind of inevitable, the dream is over.

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 2:12 pm
  • I’m gonna go take a shower. Wash teh offensive stink off me

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 2:12 pm
  • and suddenly, the wheels come off entirely.
    At least the bullpen is rested.

    Brad April 19, 2007, 2:13 pm
  • Hopefully this two run defecit lights a fire under the Sox bats.

    Steve April 19, 2007, 2:13 pm
  • The NY-Cleve game hasn’t been decided yet so don’t expect any offense from A(pril)-rod.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 19, 2007, 2:14 pm
  • 3-1, with a runner on and someone new coming into the game for the Sox. Still, a very good game pitched by Julian. Francona probably left him in an inning too long, but I would’ve done the same thing.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 2:14 pm
  • Joel Piniero in to throw cold water on the Jays. Man on 2nd, one out, Thomas at the plate, yikes.

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 2:15 pm
  • Like I said, RELIEVE TAVAREZ. Tito failing to play with house money, in this case.
    Tavarez crumbles this inning, going from a totally money start to a solid but what will be basically a useless effort, not long enough to save the pen and not good enough to get the Sox a win. But he can really thank the offense for giving him no margin for error. What a frustrating season so far: brilliant, brilliant pitching and a middling record.
    Manny’s entitled to his travails, as far as I am concerned. The players who are killing the Sox right now, on offense at least, are Tek, Coco, and Pedroia, a full third of the lineup that has been hopelessly unproductive, and in ugly fashion.

    SF April 19, 2007, 2:16 pm
  • Youks could have chased Wells all the way back to second and still thrown out Thomas at first.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 19, 2007, 2:16 pm
  • Cleveland tied it up. 1-1 in the top of the 4th inning in NY.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 2:17 pm
  • Don’t be hatin’, Bill…

    yankeemonkey April 19, 2007, 2:17 pm
  • Pedroia’s still been getting on base just fine, and he’s not striking out a ton. Varitek and Coco have been making contact, too.
    Be patient.

    Steve April 19, 2007, 2:18 pm
  • Yr right, SF. Its hard to win a lot of games when 4 of your 9 starters are basically not hitting. In a way, it speaks to the quality of the Sox pitching so far.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 2:19 pm
  • The quality start streak is over, though the Sox 3 ER streak is still alive. Not that that matters because the offense is just amazingly bad.
    If Halladay has only 1 K through six innings, he should be out of the game, not working on a gem.

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 2:22 pm
  • Just having fun, YM. If I was hatin’, I’d be trolling, too. …
    I know the offense has slumbered on the road, and I know it’s Halladay, but I refuse to believe that 3-1 is insurmountable. This game is very winable.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 19, 2007, 2:23 pm
  • Again, Marvin Hudson is a moron.
    Also, is it too much to ask for a guy like Rasner to pitch like a guy named Rasner?

    Brad April 19, 2007, 2:24 pm
  • Seven pitch inning for Halladay. This is wretched.

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 2:24 pm
  • Brad – you want to put money where your mouth is?
    Here my call: Varitek is looking at an OPS under .700 at the end of May. Winner takes a Franklin?
    And honestly SF (easy on the anger though tough guy) – I had a legit question: You’re the Sox. The decision with Crisp is easy (even with his extension). With Varitek you have no such luck – what do they do?

    jim - YF April 19, 2007, 2:25 pm
  • Hinske, Pedroia and Cora go down on 7 pitches. If they aren’t going to get on base, at least they could be patient and build Halladay’s count so the Sox would face someone else in the 8th.

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 2:26 pm
  • Halladay’s pitch count is in the 80’s so unless the Jay’s manager is a moron (a possibility) the Sox are going to have to score their runs off the big man. We’ve got guys on base, but we just haven’t been able to get that big hit. Hopefully next inning.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 2:27 pm
  • Bravo for Tavarez. He really should be in line for a win here. Three runs in 5+ innings on a day when Halladay isn’t sharp? Definitely a winnable performance.

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 2:28 pm
  • Damn this site.
    Do you know how hard it is to get work done during day games?
    I’m suppposed to be writing a letter to the editor for my boss.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 19, 2007, 2:29 pm
  • Halladay with 89 pitches through 7 – 4 of those are on very low-stress intentional walk, though he had well, that one pitch to Manny with the bases loaded, so that’s high-stress-ish. Suffice to say though, he’ll probably come out for for the 8th, and Frasnor (sp?) coming out the 9th..
    At least you don’t have to face Ryan! =)

    Lar April 19, 2007, 2:30 pm
  • I know you are, Bill. All in good fun.
    Brad, for all I know, a guy named Rasner is supposed to pitch like Sandy Koufax. Do you know something I don’t?

    yankeemonkey April 19, 2007, 2:30 pm
  • Let’s go, Sox. Meat of the order coming up. Let’s actually do something!

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 2:34 pm
  • So Piniero and Romero combine to keep the Sox in the game… A run explosion here to save Paps for the Empire would be, uh, nice.

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 2:35 pm
  • I’ll say this about the Yankees and injuries: It is f*cking uncanny how everything seems to come up roses when key players go on the DL. Honest to God, my whole life. It just pisses me off.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 19, 2007, 2:35 pm
  • Crisp starts it with a bunt single. The kid’s trying. Give him that much. It’s hard not to like him.

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 2:36 pm
  • Another bunt signle? Keep buntign Coco! Its all that works for you!

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 2:36 pm
  • Tek keeps playing, it’s really a no-brainer, particularly if the choice is Belli vs. Tek. The catcher position is no longer an offensive position (though currently the performance has been offensive, in another way), so if the staff remains strong, comfortable with Tek, then he keeps playing and you hope he can get somewhere near .240/.335 so he’s not a complete black hole, if nothing special. Mirabelli is hot right now, but look at his career: he’s playing way over his head, and if he was in there every day he’d very likely regress. Look at what he did last year, the year before. The question is what happens if Kotteras lights up the minors. But really, that’s not much of a question: he’ll be here in September and on the squad next year, barring an in-season injury which would speed his arrival. He’s not taking over for a healthy Varitek or a hot Mirabelli.
    The Crisp/Pena debate is a much more interesting and difficult topic.

    SF April 19, 2007, 2:36 pm
  • OK, 5 good outs by the pen, a leadoff bunt single by Covelli. I’m telling ya, this is a winnable game.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 19, 2007, 2:36 pm
  • Dammit Youk
    The shower didnt help. I still feel the suck of the offens all over me

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 2:37 pm
  • MannyOrtiz coming up, with Crisp on 1st and one out. Time for these guys to redeem the earlier GIDPs.

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 2:38 pm
  • Youk slumbering. Horrid.

    SF April 19, 2007, 2:38 pm
  • Halladay out, Downs in to face Ortiz. I’m sure Downs is the lefty specialist, but I feel new hope.

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 2:39 pm
  • So, a lefty specialist against Ortiz. Too bad he can’t win this or tie this.. by himself anyhow..

    Lar April 19, 2007, 2:39 pm
  • Quickly.. people who know where toget stats (cause i dont).. how is this Downs guy against Papi historically?

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 2:40 pm
  • Wait, Papi can tie this game, Lar –

    SF April 19, 2007, 2:41 pm
  • This is asking for too much, but I wish gameday showed the defensive alignment. I’d love to see how they are set up against Papi. …
    Balk … come on …

    I'm Bill McNeal April 19, 2007, 2:42 pm
  • Joe Castiglione just called the balk like it was a game-tying homer. A little too effusive there, Joe. Jeez. My ears are ringing.

    SF April 19, 2007, 2:42 pm
  • i wonder why game cast doesn’t put a little picture of aaron hill playing right in front of the right fielder when papi comes up.

    sf rod April 19, 2007, 2:43 pm
  • Crap. Come on, Manny. Tie it!

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 2:44 pm
  • Ugh, Big Papi down swinging after a long at-bat. 2 down, Crips on 2nd, ManRam dozing in the batter’s box.

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 2:45 pm
  • balk, eh?.. well at least that eliminates the Papi DP.. but maybe they walk him to get Manny to do it.
    I’m nto even looking.

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 2:45 pm
  • i know a certain someone who’s due. but i’ve said that 60 times so far this year.

    sf rod April 19, 2007, 2:45 pm
  • Oh, so he KS. Well.. How am I not surprised? Our offense cant be expected to produce runs after all..
    anbd this verification thign is REALLY ticking me off.

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 2:46 pm
  • I’ll settle for a hard hit single by Manny. Something good… Come on Manny!

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 2:47 pm
  • Manny hits well in Toronto. Now might be a good time for him to remember that.

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 2:47 pm
  • I agree, but only if Varitek is near .240/.335 – that’s the .700 OPS.
    But if he continues at .225/.300? That’s a tough call.
    Me, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kottaras is the starter sometime next year. He’s that good. He’s looking at 120 points of isolated patience right now (AVG = .258; OBP = .378). I wish the Yanks’ GM had the foresight to get a decent young catcher on board.

    jim - YF April 19, 2007, 2:47 pm
  • MANNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 2:48 pm
  • There’s the Manny we know and love.
    Tie fricking’ game!

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 2:48 pm
  • YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!!!!

    I'm Bill McNeal April 19, 2007, 2:48 pm
  • I told you guys to be patient!
    MANNY!!!!!!!

    Steve April 19, 2007, 2:48 pm
  • MANNY. MANNY.
    MANNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    SF April 19, 2007, 2:48 pm
  • MANNY TIES IT!!!!!

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 2:48 pm
  • There’s your slump right there! =P

    Lar April 19, 2007, 2:48 pm
  • is he back. please manny, let this be the start of a torrid hitting streak.

    sf rod April 19, 2007, 2:48 pm
  • I’m gonna go ahead and claim sooth on that one. ;-)

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 2:50 pm
  • I don’t know about the rest of you, but I love JD Drew. I’m very impressed with him so far.
    Also, Manny is a god. Not THE god, but A god.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 2:50 pm
  • never thought we’d need to get a solid 6th man in the lineup so that drew could see some pitches.

    sf rod April 19, 2007, 2:50 pm
  • Note that Drew is now getting routinely pitched around by Toronto to get to Tek. Flattering to JD, kind of embarrassing for our captain.

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 2:50 pm
  • Why’d they take Halladay out? Was he at 100 pitches?

    Andrew April 19, 2007, 2:50 pm
  • I’m only catchign bits and pieces – was the Drew walk intentional?

    rootbeerfloat April 19, 2007, 2:50 pm
  • Varitek smoked that ball. Rios plays a foot and a half deeper and that’s a hard single or double.
    I’m telling you, the guy is going to be fine.

    Steve April 19, 2007, 2:52 pm
  • Tek lines out, first pitch swinging; BA is now .189 … Inning over.

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 2:52 pm
  • HOLY CRAP!
    I NEVER SAW IT COMING!
    WOOOO! MANNY!

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 2:52 pm
  • Man! Tek can’t catch a break. He just crushes one on a line, and it goes right at the right fielder. I mean, the guy doesn’t have to take a single step. Which is good for him, because if he did he never would have caught the damn thing.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 2:52 pm
  • Halladay came out after 95 pitches.

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 2:53 pm
  • Oh, lordy… Timlin is in. I’m going to close my eyes.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 2:53 pm
  • He hit it exactly where he’d want to, too. RF side, had it made it through, probably possible for Drew to score on it? I’m watching on mlb.tv, and I can make all the details out about as well as I could the graphics set on an Atari 2600.

    QuoSF April 19, 2007, 2:53 pm
  • My MLB TV went out, so I had to switch to GameDay, which showed the Drew walk as not an IBB but four straight outside pitches (rather than pitchouts).

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 2:54 pm
  • I also love JD, but we need soem sort of.. well nto power.. but soemthign NOT embarrassing behidn him in order to get him some pitches to hit.
    Like.. oh, I dunno.. Helton?

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 2:55 pm
  • Ah, Timmy?
    We need you here.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 19, 2007, 2:55 pm
  • Thanks, Timlin. Here comes Paps.

    Steve April 19, 2007, 2:55 pm
  • OH S$#%!
    One, F’n pitch, Timlin! We can’t get one pitch into the inning without… DAaaah… never mind.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 2:55 pm
  • It was unintentionally intentional, RBF. Andrew, I assume cuz they wanted the lefty to pitch to Ortiz, but that was a dumb move, imo.
    Ugh. Wells with the first-pitch double off Timlin.

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 2:56 pm
  • Easy come, easy go. F*ckin’ A.

    SF April 19, 2007, 2:56 pm
  • Oh God.. Timlin.
    Oh god.. Wells is on 2nd, no outs.
    Oh god, oh god, oh god

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 2:56 pm
  • Is Paps in the pen now? Does anyone know if he’s been warming up?

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 2:57 pm
  • Wells on 3rd.. one out. Pretty much ANYTHING other than a K scores him.

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 2:58 pm
  • This is a high leverage situation, which would seem to imply Paps and strikeouts. Let someone else close it out if they get that far. This is not the best spot for Timlin. Though it appears that Paps isn’t even up. So much for consistency in “high lev” situations with Papelbon.

    SF April 19, 2007, 2:58 pm
  • If Timlin can get out of this one, I’ll be impressed.

    Andrew April 19, 2007, 2:58 pm
  • A win is a win, and I’d rather see 4-5 outs from Paps today to stay ahead of Toronto than to save him for a theoretical close game against The Empire tomorrow.

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 2:59 pm
  • Wow. SO close. Nice job.

    Andrew April 19, 2007, 2:59 pm
  • DP DP DP!

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:00 pm
  • I’m sorry I ever doubted you, Timlin.
    You’re the fucking man.

    Steve April 19, 2007, 3:00 pm
  • Thank you, effin’ God. And thank goodness I got to see Manny’s first homer, even if it was while my face slowly swells from the wisdom tooth removal (Manny hit his first last year to a similar spot in Toronto–a little further to the right last year).

    Devine April 19, 2007, 3:00 pm
  • YES!
    Fan-f*cking-tastic!!!

    I'm Bill McNeal April 19, 2007, 3:00 pm
  • WOW. I cannot believe it. Timlin defies the odds there, what an escape.
    I am SO glad I am not a manager. I’d be fired before even getting to home plate to submit the lineups.

    SF April 19, 2007, 3:00 pm
  • Holy cr@p, Timmah gets a DP. Niiice.

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 3:00 pm
  • YEAH! TIMLIN! MY MAN!!
    (please disregard all anti-Timlin comments made earlier under the handle “mattymatty” my name was pirated, and I had nothing to do with those comments. i swear.)

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 3:00 pm
  • I’m sorry I ever doubted you, Timlin.
    You are the freaking man.

    Steve April 19, 2007, 3:01 pm
  • SF, I beleive ‘high lev’ situations will still require the Sox to be AHEAD in Francona’s thinking. Especially this early

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:01 pm
  • Might we see some pinch hitters here? Hinske, Pedroia, Cora coming up…

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 3:02 pm
  • I just had to say it twice, I’m that amazed.

    Steve April 19, 2007, 3:02 pm
  • Hinske walks. Pedroia would seem to be a sacrifice candidate.

    SF April 19, 2007, 3:04 pm
  • So.. I got my Red Sox Team Store catalogue in the mail the other day..
    I’d just liek to say, in order to not pay attention to the offense, that there are some absolutely ugly hats in here. Whats with that?

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:05 pm
  • Normally I hate the sac bunt, but I’d have Pedroia do that here.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 3:05 pm
  • Lugo PR for Hinske?

    SF April 19, 2007, 3:05 pm
  • Pedroia MUST sacrifice… and cora can sacrifice too..
    then Coco can have another bunt hit maybe

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:06 pm
  • Dammit! Pedroia bunts really hard and gets Hinske thrown out at second.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 3:06 pm
  • Or.. he can be an idiot and do that.
    I say Lugo Pinch Hits for Cora RIGHT NOW

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:07 pm
  • Where the fuck is the pinch runner in that situation?!

    SF April 19, 2007, 3:07 pm
  • I’d rather see Lugo in to PH for Cora, rather than PR for anybody. I don’t remember Hinske being depressingly slow. Nor Pedroia.
    And of course, Lugo out to PR for Pedroia as soon as I’m done typing that.

    QuoSF April 19, 2007, 3:08 pm
  • dPod :(

    TJ April 19, 2007, 3:08 pm
  • SF – Who do you use as a pinch runner in that situation?

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 3:09 pm
  • Or.. use him as the runner. That.. wait..
    I didnt see the last play.. had Lugo been runnign for Hinske could he have beat that into an infield hit?

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:09 pm
  • ugh lugo to run why not hit :@

    TJ April 19, 2007, 3:09 pm
  • I would have pinch run Lugo for Hinske, let the pitcher think a little about the steal, keep the first baseman tight to the runner at first base. Also, not that it was likely, but Lugo also would much more likely score on an extra base hit if at first, while Hinske wouldn’t.

    SF April 19, 2007, 3:11 pm
  • I don’t understand the thinking behind how this inning is being managed. Maybe someone can explain it.

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 3:11 pm
  • That ruled.

    Devine April 19, 2007, 3:11 pm
  • OK sooo tito gets the repreieve here

    TJ April 19, 2007, 3:12 pm
  • Alex Cora, I’m sorry I ever badmouthed you.
    You are also the freaking man.

    Steve April 19, 2007, 3:12 pm
  • Oh. Cora was going to hit a triple. I get it now. Why didn’t someone say that?

    mattymatty April 19, 2007, 3:12 pm
  • What sooth I have: THAT is why I pinch run Lugo.
    4-3 Sox!!!

    SF April 19, 2007, 3:12 pm
  • Yeeeeeeeee-Hawwwwwww!!!!
    I’d say this inning is being managed quite effectively.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 19, 2007, 3:12 pm
  • TRIPLE CORA!

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:13 pm
  • Jeez, you think Toronto misses BJ Ryan? No wonder they gave him so much money last year.

    Andrew April 19, 2007, 3:13 pm
  • Covelli, an insurance run here would put off your next career as an insurance agent.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 19, 2007, 3:14 pm
  • mm: I agreed with pinch running Lugo, but I would have done it as soon as Hinske walked. I didn’t disagree with the sacrifice, or leaving Cora in. I said it before the triple: Hinske wouldn’t score on an extra-base hit, while Lugo very well could (and did, as it turned out). Good move by Tito, if a batter late.

    SF April 19, 2007, 3:14 pm
  • Come on Coco, give us another run to work with here!

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:14 pm
  • Coco’s looking a HELL of a lot better. This is the end of his slump, I’m feeling it.
    That ball was almost gone, more than enough for the sac fly.

    Steve April 19, 2007, 3:15 pm
  • Coco! Sac fly. Good hitting. 5-3 Sox.

    SF April 19, 2007, 3:15 pm
  • Does everyone know what time it is?
    ITS PAPELBON TIME!

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:17 pm
  • Don’t laugh. Getting Zaun is a big out. He has a knack.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 19, 2007, 3:20 pm
  • Bottom of the order getting it done, eh? =)

    Lar April 19, 2007, 3:21 pm
  • OH not again.. my heart can’t take it again Jonathan.

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:22 pm
  • Why doesn’t he just throw strikes? These guys can barely even see the ball.

    Andrew April 19, 2007, 3:22 pm
  • K!

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:23 pm
  • Papelbon’s a little wild. 2-2
    Come on Pap. Get him.

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:25 pm
  • K the Second!

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:26 pm
  • Looks like he got my mind-message :)

    Andrew April 19, 2007, 3:27 pm
  • Rios is one of the few people who hit Papelbon.
    3-for-4 against our boy.
    So I’m not relaxed yet

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:27 pm
  • i’ve seen rios hit some 96 and 97 MPH fastballs along ways. lets see the other pitch here.

    sf rod April 19, 2007, 3:27 pm
  • rios is 5 for 6 against paps. uhg.

    sf rod April 19, 2007, 3:28 pm
  • nice at-bat by Rios.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 19, 2007, 3:30 pm
  • Oh man, I take one urgent phone call and miss all the fun.
    This is a Redemption Game. Manny breaks out. The middle/set-up guys (esp. Timmy) come through. Cora, Crisp break out. Awesome momentum going into NYC as Paps strikes out two more (all but three of his outs this year are Ks) to shut the Jays down and stay in 1st.
    AWESOME.
    Meanwhile, the MFY are hanging on by their fingernails, 2-1 over Clverland in the 7th…

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 3:32 pm
  • Dear Toronto:
    You have offically been Papelboned.
    Nothing but love,
    -RSN.

    Steve April 19, 2007, 3:32 pm
  • That was a good win. Manny’s first. Offense came from behind.

    Devine April 19, 2007, 3:32 pm
  • That, my friends, is a great and very impressive victory.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 19, 2007, 3:32 pm
  • ITS OVER! Papelbon pulls it off!

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:32 pm
  • we get the win. that was a solid win if there ever was such a thing in april.
    cleveland ties up the yankees and have a little rally going on.

    sf rod April 19, 2007, 3:33 pm
  • Unexpected win, to be honest, particularly after that 6th inning. Well done, Sox!
    Tomorrow we have the circus…

    SF April 19, 2007, 3:34 pm
  • I would say Papelbon will NOT be available for tommorrows game, having thrown over twenty pitches today.
    But Hudson said it all besides that

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:35 pm
  • Victor Martinez hits a 3-run homer.
    5-2 Indians.

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:36 pm
  • I don’t care if Paps isn’t available tomorrow. Today’s win matters just as much, and this could be a serious morale booster for the team.

    Steve April 19, 2007, 3:39 pm
  • You may be right, Steve. We now have momentum rolling into the Yankee series.
    Nice to see Tavaerez contributign to our pitching niftiness. 3 runs over 5 1/3 is not shabby for a 5th starter against the offensive machine that is the Blue Jays

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:45 pm
  • 2 outs away from a QS in fact

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 3:47 pm
  • I’m prepared to eat my pre-game words. “Concession” my ass. Our bench has been playing its ASS off, and I am completely proud of em.
    What can I say? You can plug Cora in anywhere and ask him to do anything and he will always rise to the challenge. He’s a treasure.

    Kazz April 19, 2007, 3:48 pm
  • 25 pitches for Papelbon. That long, long at-bat by Rios (8 pitches, 9 pitches, can’t remember) was unfortunate but he got the save today, that’s what counts.
    If I were a betting man, I’d expect a high-scoring game tomorrow from both sides, despite the Schilling-Pettitte matchup.
    I give Andy the edge because he’s got two double-Ts in his name, and Curt’s only got one double-L. ;^)

    Hudson April 19, 2007, 4:04 pm
  • Huh. Reading the comments on these games’ live blogs after the game is over almost makes up for missing all the fun parts while sleeping (literally) through an astronomy class.
    2 out of 3 at Toronto…that’s a pretty big deal. We didn’t win a single series against them last year, home or away; the best we did was splitting a 4 game series at Fenway. Last time we took 2/3 from Toronto in an away series was in September of 2005, when we still went 6-9 overall. Great start.

    desturbd1 April 19, 2007, 4:07 pm
  • It was 10 pitches even, Hudson.
    Tommorrow’s game is anybodies guess. I beleive we WILL hit during the series because we seem to be doing all of our hitting in Fenway. That said tommorrow’s game is up in the air, but the Sox win the last two.

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 4:09 pm
  • You know what, OBP be damned, I want to see Coco in the 2-hole. He just seems like he’s got more life up there, and he sure as hell has produced more in his two opportunities up top than he has in the numerous ones below.
    It won’t be any different than having Bellhorn (.330 OBP and Ks) hitting #2 instead of Muller, who was at #9 (he of the .390 OBP and high-contact rate.)
    If we move Youks down to #8, him and Pedroia can grind pitchers down. Both see a lot of pitches, both can hit, and both walk and get on base often. It could seriously work.

    Steve April 19, 2007, 4:10 pm
  • Stupid work meeting caused me to miss the last two innings. That sucks majorly. I had a good feeling after Timlin got the double play (as I was leaving my desk) that this would go the Sox’ way.

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 4:13 pm
  • I also must say that this may be the end of Coco’s slump. Sometiem it takes doign somethign unorthodox, something unusual, to break out of a slump and two bunt hits in a row is definatly such a thing.

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 4:15 pm
  • Its not a bad idea Steve.. except then all your speed (Lugo and Coco) is in one place at the top of the order
    Thsi severely limits their ability to run which is hampered even MORE by Papi and Manny and Drew being behind them. Splittign the two up makes sense form a stolen base standpoitn and I’d rather have Lugo up top.

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 4:18 pm
  • Dionysus: When have the Sox ever put an emphasis on stealing?
    Having the speed up there would help when Papi and Manny only hit doubles as opposed to taters.

    Steve April 19, 2007, 4:24 pm
  • I’m going to start posting game threads that discount the Sox’ chances of winning from now on. I’m 2 for 2!

    Paul SF April 19, 2007, 4:27 pm
  • Fair enough Steve. You have two good points there. However, I have the feeling (I have no stats to back it up) that the Sox have been stealing a little more so far this season.
    I’d LIEK them to steal more in fact. With our bats generally slumping, its time to manufacture runs. We have the speed for it.
    We’ll just see how it goes, I guess. I’m willing to do anythign to see Coco become the hitter he was pre-Red Sox

    Dionysus April 19, 2007, 4:29 pm

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