Ervin Santana and Josh Beckett at Fenway. Comment away.
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Wow – trying to get my head around Pete Abe’s announcement that he will become a Red Sox beat writer…
RBF, I thought for sure that was a joke. WOW. I didn’t knowe the Globe was hiring, but I guess it’s to replace Tony Mazz.
I read somewhere that Beckett has been sick or something so maybe the days of giving up homers by the handful are over??
By the way, a Globe reader posted that according to Pitch F/X charts, in last night’s game, 8 or 9 pitches were thrown to the location of Ball 4 to Nick Green. All were called balls.
But, IBM, there were also many that were called strikes. It was a terrible call, and it gifted the Red Sox a win. Please let’s try not to legitimize it.
Yes, Andrew, it was the first time a team won a game because of a close call.
You can be such an asshole.
Yeah, Beckett’s homer problems are clearly over…
Angels, who were, at some point, fighting for the “best team in AL” thing, now has a worse record than the Red Sox. Can we just skip to the post season already? Haha..
So much for Beckett feeling better….
Good inning for Beckett there, at least.
ESantana now the one with the homer problem. Nice.
“gifted the Red Sox a win”
I didn’t see the inning, so correct me if I missed something, but what I don’t get is how the 2-out walk and two infield singles were also the ump’s fault. A contending team’s closer has no business loading the bases down by a run in the 9th.
Do teams lose when they let men on base? Does the strike zone magically shrink? Not debating Fuentes is pretty awful, but he got strike three and four in that at bat, pretty blatantly. Or do you want all those bases-loaded situations Papelbon put himself into but got out of count as losses for the Sox?
Then are we debating what caused the tying run?: The walk (unfair as it may have been) or the simultaneous presence of runners on 3rd, 2nd and 1st? Surely it was a multi-man effort.
Another good inning from Beckett.
Didn’t have a chance to wade through the previous threads on the topic of last night’s win, but does anyone know why Francona was having Green hit for Kotchman in the first place? Not an obvious decision, especially with Green saying he was too weak to hit.
“Then are we debating what caused the tying run?: The walk (unfair as it may have been) or the simultaneous presence of runners on 3rd, 2nd and 1st? Surely it was a multi-man effort.”
By this logic, every time a team has the bases loaded, they should automatically score a run? A strike is a strike, except for sometimes, apparently. It ruins the game to have umpires blatantly miss calls and affect its entire outcome. The umpires have been historically awful this year, and they have absolutely no incentive to improve. Can’t wait to see what they do to the playoffs.
Well, that sucked. Karma for last night, I guess.
No this logic is merely saying that the Sox won yesterday thanks to a 9th inning 2-out rally that included a strong effort on their part, failure by the opponent and a bad call or two by the ump that went their way.
All of that is not a gift.
But I hope the Angels keep thinking that’s what did it, as per Hunter’s comments. Why do I hate the Angels and Rays more than the Yanks?
Andrew, as someone who has lost many little league games and tennis matches based on bad calls, I quote my father for you: “Yeah that call sucked, but you never should have let them get into the position where a bad call would cost you the game.”
And holy shit, I come in and turn the game on and Varitek allows another passed-ball that would have ended the inning. Two goddamn nights in a row.
How long is this fucking rope?
Also Stuck, Green pinch-hit cause the Angels pitcher was a lefty. So they wanted Green (a rightie) to hit against him instead of Kotchman (a leftie)
YES, Beckett gets out of trouble with a big strikeout.
Oh, duh, Ath, thanks.
Still no hits since Bay’s homer in the 4th. Ortiz and Lowell have been just useless tonight.
Also: having Beckett start the 8th is D-U-M-M dumb. WTF?
10 pitch inning, Beckett with 8.0 under his belt. I know he struggled in the 7th, but I’m happy to see them send him back out there to work out whatever he was talking to Farrell about in between innings.
Well, that worked out much better than I expected.
Wagner gives up a lead-off walk. Ugh.
Aaaaaand we’re losing. Wow, this is like a rerun of last night. The Angels even have Fuentes warming up.
Sac-bunt with zero outs? Angels baseball! Another sac-bunt with one out? ANGELS BASEBALL.
Just like last night, Bay-Ortiz-Lowell for the bottom of the 9th.
Fuentes now coming in to pitch to Ortiz and Lowell in a one-run game. This is like dejavu.
I have a feeling there will be no walk-off tonight, Ath.
Why is Baldelli pinch-hitting for Drew?
I fail to comprehend why Baldelli was pinch-hitting for Drew, with Youk pinch-hitting for Varitek. Why not use Youk in the guaranteed at-bat?
I think Tito feels guilty for last night.
Eh, probably better to let the Angels win this one and get some satisfaction than to have them super pissed off and ready to kick the Sox’s ass in the ALDS.
At least that’s what I’m going to make myself think.
IBM, your 7:32 comment was totally over the line. I’m surprised Andrew didn’t take the bait and retaliate in kind. Can you please refrain from the personal attacks?
I’m going to agree with IH here, IBM. That really shocked me, and it was inappropriate. I also disagree with Andrew’s sentiment, but Bkln-SF handled this much more appropriately.
And thanks, Andrew, for not responding and dragging the debate into the mire.
yeah, while we all agree that a multitude of sins will lose a ballgame, at times one stands out more than another…it’s a no-brainer that other factors led to the angels demise, not only for that moment, but throughout the game [sox did score 7 other runs prior to the walk]…however, that doesn’t change the fact that the most crippling blow was 1 or 2, depending on your perspective, blown strike 3, last out of the game, calls…with a different outcome, angels winning…i’d say that’s huge, and without putting words in his mouth, is all andrew was trying to point out…
i saw this on espn this morning…you’ve got to be kidding:
hmm…it would be funny, if it weren’t so sad…
How long is this fucking rope?
Posted by: SF | Thursday, September 17, 2009 at 09:04 PM
Please watch the language SF, this is a family site.
fuckity fuck fuck fuck!
YW Paul, although I didn’t respond mostly because I was away from the computer for a while.
And, very funny kreug!
for ag’s benefit, because he gets such a kick out of it when we invoke the yfsf TOS:
-Use profanity judiciously. We want to be read in libraries.
i guess you could argue the first entry was judicious…hehe…
and i’ll bet you can find that word in most libraries… ;)
this is a dysfunctional family site
Fixed that for you, krueg.
I feel that I have added to that dysfunction!!! ;)
P.S. I should be a mess by the time the yankees game starts tonight so that should be interesting!
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