Maybe the Yankees Need a Lying Coach

It turns out hitting a baseball really well isn't the only thing Mark Teixeira has with Alex Rodriguez. They're both also ridiculously bad liars!

Teixeira was asked specifically if the public nature of the Red Sox negotiations last winter bothered him. "It did, it did," replied Teixeira. "And I think in the end, it probably worked against them a little bit, because everyone thought the Red Sox were [my] No. 1, but in reality, the Yankees were gonna be the team, like I said all along, if all things were equal, the Yankees were the place that I wanted to go. It made the most sense for my family. It made the most sense for me and my career and where I wanted to go. Being a Yankee and wearing the pinstripes into the new Yankee Stadium, it doesn't get any better than that. They had a leg up all along."

So let me get this straight:

  • "The Yankees were gonna be the team, like I said all along."
  • "If all things were equal, the Yankees were the place that I wanted to go." 
  • "They had a leg up all along." 
  • We already know that Teixeira had chosen the Yankees before he even met with the Red Sox — and thus before they said anything publicly.
  • And we already know that the Yankees' offer was higher than the Red Sox' — and thus not "equal."
  • But it was the Red Sox' public statement that hurt them in their efforts to sign Teixeira.

Isn't that sweet? Only with the team for a few months, and A-Rod's already taken the newbie under his wing!

68 comments… add one

  • Rule #1 of going on sports talk radio: do not go on sports talk radio.
    These guys (of all uniforms) should just stop talking, it would serve them (and us) better. Tex’s comments don’t do him any good – they make him sound disingenuous and a bit stupid – I especially like the fact that a Boras client is complaining about a team negotiating through the media.
    Oy.

    SF March 30, 2009, 10:16 am
  • “Lying” is a bit harsh of a word to describe these statements. Its more like hyperbole to me. This is boiler plate for athletes who just signed a large contract with a team. He would have been saying the same things if he signed for the sox….

    sam-YF March 30, 2009, 10:33 am
  • I’m sure I’m going to get blasted but whatever…quit crying! He picked the Yankees. Get over it.
    Of course the guy isn’t telling the truth, he’s a dirty Yankee! I’ve been reading about this and all I am hearing from Sox fans is sour grapes. Don’t mean to offend you guys but come on…you all loved him, wanted him on your team, he chose the Yankees so now you all hate the guy. At least be honest if you are indicting him for being disingenuous?
    Be mad at your front office for not ponying up the extra $10 million to get your guy if you are going to mad at anyone because that’s what this is really about. You expect the guy to take less money because he would have the honor of playing in Boston? Be realistic please. Gotta call BS on this post fellas…

    krueg March 30, 2009, 10:33 am
  • it’s all about the money guys…it’s always just about the money…the rest is just noise…
    “…These guys (of all uniforms) should just stop talking,..” i couldn’t agree more sf…my take on interviews in general is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    dc March 30, 2009, 10:39 am
  • this is quite over dramatic, I’m totally in agreement with Krueg

    josh - yf March 30, 2009, 10:39 am
  • I’m not hating on him because he’s in pinstripes; I’m hating on him because he used the Sox as a foil to get more money. I know, I know, it’s all about the business, but Sox fans still have enough of a complex about the Yankees that anyone who uses Boston to get to NYC isn’t going to win any fans.

    Eric Hanson March 30, 2009, 11:42 am
  • Wow…someone is quite bitter about a player openly saying he the Yankees had a leg up on him. Did not Schilling come out and say that the Yankees were a team he wouldn’t be interested in signing with last year? I appreciate that in a player. It is what makes this rivalry so wonderful. No need to be bitter. His quotes give you all the more reason to boo him in Fenway as we boo every one of your players (even if they are on Team USA) any time they enter Yankee Stadium.

    yankeenate March 30, 2009, 11:51 am
  • Sounds like more sour grapes. The Yankees never offered him a 10-year deal including options. So didn’t the Sox offer him the biggest contract.

    Bronx Baseball Daily March 30, 2009, 12:15 pm
  • Where’s the lie? The Sox already had things working against them for the stated reasons, but negotiating through the media (remember Henry’s ridiculous ‘bluff’? He’s a genius! Take that Boras! Still makes me chuckle.) hurt them even more. It was a fumble by the Sox FO, who continued to miff Teixeira by drawing a public line in the sand and trying (and failing) to beat Boras at his own game. It happens. Way past time to get over it.

    AndrewYF March 30, 2009, 12:31 pm
  • We already know that Teixeira had chosen the Yankees before he even met with the Red Sox — and thus before they said anything publicly.
    I don’t see where this is true. So does that mean you’re lying?
    Que sera, sera.

    Rob March 30, 2009, 12:38 pm
  • Is the next post going to say Damon and Pedro lied their way out of town too? I’m actually quite jealous of how the Boston front office pwns the Boston media and thus the fanbase. The amount that many SFs fans bend over backwards (and forwards) to swallow the propaganda is pretty amazing. Even more amazing is that fans wanted Teixeira which would have pushed Lowell to the bench or trade – the same guy who gave the Sox a discount deal only a year ago. But, nah, who needs to show loyalty to players?

    Rob March 30, 2009, 12:46 pm
  • I’ve never seen so many people misuse the phrase “sour grapes.”
    This isn’t sour grapes — either by its actual definition of pretending like I didn’t want Teixeira on the Sox anyway, or by the definition people here have given it, which is just being bitter about something that didn’t go the way I wanted.
    Likewise, I am not bitter about Teixeira deciding he would only play for the Yankees. If he would actually just say that, I would have a great deal more respect for him.
    But I remain befuddled as to why Teixeira would blame the Red Sox for him not signing there with one breath (“it probably worked against them”), when we all know — because he himself has said it multiple times — he was going to the Yankees basically regardless of what the Red Sox did, and that he had made that decision before he even met with the Sox in person. If you don’t want to call it “lying,” that’s fine, but it sure isn’t telling the truth.
    The part I didn’t post from that interview — where he says he and his agent did not negotiate through the media — is equally laughable. It’s prima facie ludicrous.

    Paul SF March 30, 2009, 1:31 pm
  • > laughable
    > ludicrous
    yep.
    > If you don’t want to call it “lying,”
    i do. lies were told.

    attackgerbil March 30, 2009, 2:05 pm
  • Your post is asinine.
    Who on Earth cares if you “respect” him??? You have NO IDEA what happened behind closed doors. Zero. Zip. Nada. He doesn’t owe you, Red Sox Nation, or anyone else anything. It’s funny AND sad that this story was picked up by the Boston media and puked out there as some sort of vile, horrible thing that Texeira did. The guys was trying to get the best deal he could. Maybe when he met the Sox personnel, he thought they were a bunch of idiots? Ever even consider that? No, of course not, he just wanted to take the big, bad Yankees money and in doing so somehow made you and MANY other Sox fans feel like your prom date didn’t show up and left you hanging. I say again, get over it.
    You just vented your frustration that the guy isn’t on your team, period. How about live up to the standard you are creating in this childish post and admit the real deal here my friend?
    Lying coach? ARod taking him under his wings? You are pathetic Paul, period.

    krueg March 30, 2009, 2:21 pm
  • You just vented your frustration that the guy isn’t on your team, period..
    So, from now on this is the standard? Fans can never again call out a player in the middle of a lie? Nobody wants to be labeled a sour graper!
    In the end, who cares? Both team have essentially the same player in the same position – regardless of serious salary discrepencies. Lets see how it plays out. I was one who wanted Texiera, but not that kind of money. When I saw the contract, I wasn’t that upset anymore, so I don’t care if he lies to his mother on a daily basis – I have bigger reasons to dislike the guy now.

    Brad March 30, 2009, 2:45 pm
  • Maybe when he met the Sox personnel, he thought they were a bunch of idiots?
    Idiots with a bunch of millions less to offer him!
    Besides, Tex matters not when Nick Swisher is around.

    Brad March 30, 2009, 2:48 pm
  • Again, where does Teixeira tell a lie when he says the Sox negotiating through the media “probably hurt them a bit”? He was asked if the Sox’s method of negotiation hurt them. He answered, “yes”. How is that a lie?
    It’s sour grapes, Paul, because you’re taking a tiny negative statement made by a guy you wanted on your team and blowing it way out of proportion. Calling Tex a bold-faced liar, and ridiculing him, because of a rather innocuous, and probably not really untrue statement, is a PERFECT example of sour grapes, whether you want to admit it or not.
    It’s fine to be upset with and dislike Teixeira because he didn’t choose your team. I would have disliked him had he chosen the Sox. The guy’s face looks like an onion! He’s not really that good of a hitter! Or something.
    What’s not fine is the intellectual dishonesty where you deny being bitter at all, and try and defend a point so clearly born out of your bitterness. It’s as plain as the nose on your face, to every single person here, and needlessly lowers the bar of discussion to a tabloid-esque level.

    AndrewYF March 30, 2009, 2:59 pm
  • he was going to the Yankees basically regardless of what the Red Sox did, and that he had made that decision before he even met with the Sox in person.
    Hmmm, where would he have ended up if the Yanks didn’t follow through with a competitive offer?
    The funny thing is they kept the answer very close to their chests – something the player now says was important to him and directly in contrast to how the next highest bidder handed things. It may see obvious to you, but at the time – no one outside the Yankees knew they would be players, and that includes you and Teixeira.

    Rob March 30, 2009, 3:23 pm
  • You’re all jumping on SF for “sour grapes” but the problem is that none of you can follow a simple line of logic.
    Maybe Tex didn’t “lie” but he did contradict himself in subsequent sentences and that’s all SF is trying to point out here.
    “in the end, it [public negotiations] probably worked against them”
    “in reality, the Yankees were gonna be the team, like I said all along, if all things were equal, the Yankees were the place that I wanted to go”
    It’s simple logic. You can’t say public negotiations hurt the Red Sox chances and then admit that the only chance they had to land you was to offer more money than the Yanks. Therefore, the public nature of the negotiations didn’t hurt the Red Sox chances, the size of their offer did.

    GliGuy March 30, 2009, 3:48 pm
  • Maybe when he met the Sox personnel, he thought they were a bunch of idiots? Ever even consider that?
    I’m sorry, this has what to do with negotiating through the media?
    You are pathetic Paul, period
    So this is the sum of your argument against a post you call “asinine.” I’m glad you’re a Yankee fan.
    It’s sour grapes, Paul, because you’re taking a tiny negative statement made by a guy you wanted on your team and blowing it way out of proportion.
    Again, it’s not sour grapes by the very definition of the phrase because I have always said I wished Teixeira had joined the Red Sox. Never once have I said he’ll probably suck (“those grapes were probably sour anyway”) just because he’s not on the Sox.
    And, please, this isn’t “one tiny statement.” It’s Teixeira taking a high road that doesn’t exist by trying to play the Red Sox off as the bad guys who negotiated through the media after he and Scott Boras righteously played things on the up and up. It’s sanctimonious, it’s hypocritical, and it’s disingenuous.
    Teixeira has continually made it clear he alwas planned on being a Yankee. Again, no problems with that. But he lied to the Red Sox about that intention to get a meeting with them in an effort to squeeze every last dollar from a Yankee team he knew would pay it. When the Sox wouldn’t play the game and said so publicly, he and Boras got mad, and now suddenly it’s this statement that hurt the Red Sox’ chances? Ridiculous. The reflexive defense of Teixeira here is absurd.
    Hmmm, where would he have ended up if the Yanks didn’t follow through with a competitive offer?
    This was never a realistic option. You know it, I know it, and more importantly, Teixeira and Boras knew it from the moment the Yankees made him a personalized video immediately after the winter meetings. So stop pretending otherwise to carry on a failed argument.

    Paul SF March 30, 2009, 3:56 pm
  • This was never a realistic option.
    So says you, and only you. Worse for your case, if the Sox had any inking they didn’t have a realistic shot, they wouldn’t have gone to the trouble they did. And even worse for your bitterness and negativity, the day before he signed you couldn’t have told me or any one else that the Yankees had it signed sealed and delivered. No one knew, no matter how much you want to believe so to sooth your own hurt feelings. So no, you didn’t know, I didn’t know, and more importantly, Teixeira didn’t know nor did the Yankees or Sox and all of the mediots in this land.
    Please stop pretending otherwise. Or in your language of choice: Please stop lying to yourself and all of us. And please stop picking fights.
    To all the site moderators, how can any of you believe this:
    http://www.yfsf.org/code-of-conduct.html
    And think this post is anything more than craptrap and needlessly incendiary.

    Rob March 30, 2009, 4:14 pm
  • The thing about Teixeira’s statement is that it’s more an illogical statement than a lie. Or rather, it’s a not very well-articulated line of reasoning on Tex’s part. I’m not saying it’s not a lie, but it’s not necessarily a lie. Trust me. I deal with liars (5th graders) and confused logicians (5th graders) every day. Sometimes they’re one and the same. Sometimes they’re not.

    Nick-YF March 30, 2009, 4:49 pm
  • I’m not sure what you’re going for with the code-of-conduct link – what rule do you think he’s violated? Because it says that ‘Criticism of their play and public behavior is acceptable’ and going on talk radio and getting fast and loose with the facts for no discernible reason seems to fall within those parameters.
    He just pointed out a guy being what appears to be rather disingenuous. Not sure why that’s got you so worked up.

    ponch - sf March 30, 2009, 4:58 pm
  • And, please, this isn’t “one tiny statement.” It’s Teixeira taking a high road that doesn’t exist by trying to play the Red Sox off as the bad guys who negotiated through the media after he and Scott Boras righteously played things on the up and up. It’s sanctimonious, it’s hypocritical, and it’s disingenuous.
    Where did he say he played things correctly while others didn’t? What does Teixeira care about how he played things? He can’t insult himself. From Teixeira’s point of view – and this is the only point of view that is being discussed right now – the Red Sox’s method of airing the dirty laundry of negotiations worked against them, as it would probably work against ANYone. If you were negotiating a contract, and you wanted more money, and the other party walked out and IMMEDIATELY whined to the media that “clearly, we are not going to be a factor [given these ridiculous demands]” (the part in brackets is what was clearly implied, or what could reasonably be implied), that would be pretty insulting. Again, it’s from one point of view, and his point of view certainly isn’t invalid. In fact, it’s just as important as the Sox’s point of view, which I’m pretty sure we all already know.
    Again, Teixeira simply said that the Sox’s negotiating tactics worked against them. That contradicts absolutely nothing. He said, all things being equal, he would pick the Yankees. That does NOT mean that he would pick the Yankees no matter what. To suggest that is completely false. There were several factors going into his decision. Being a Yankee was one of them. Money was another. And we have just found out that negotiating tactics was another, very small factor. These factors can exist independently of one another.
    I will give you, Paul, that this is not technically by definition sour grapes, but it certainly is bitterness, and I still stand by my point that it does absolutely nothing to raise the standard of discussion around here.

    AndrewYF March 30, 2009, 5:02 pm
  • The thing about Teixeira’s statement is that it’s more an illogical statement than a lie.
    Well, this may be true. But I’ve heard so much about Teixeira’s acumen over the course of the offseason, I find it difficult to believe that he just doesn’t understand how it all shook out.
    On the other hand, it was also done during a phone conversation, so I could see it as an off-the-cuff remark, in which case maybe he actually believes it. And that really doesn’t make any sense based on his own statements, both previously and in the very same interview.

    Paul SF March 30, 2009, 5:03 pm
  • Just look at the title of this post if you think it wasnt meant to be anything but inflamatory you are kidding yourself. There was no way this thread wasnt gonna end up like this the second it was posted. Id agree it brings down the level of discussion here greatly. This kind of stuff is well below Paul’s normal high standard of posts….

    sam-YF March 30, 2009, 5:06 pm
  • what rule do you think he’s violated?
    1. “Ad hominem attacks will be removed.”
    2. “Criticism of their play and public behavior is acceptable, but needlessly disparaging remarks are not.”
    3. “Remember, this site was created by two friends who root for historic rivals. We believe that the discussions herein should reflect the essential character of that relationship, and our shared love of the game.”
    He just pointed out a guy being what appears to be rather disingenuous. Not sure why that’s got you so worked up.
    Look at the title of the post. I think you would take offense had the team name been flipped.
    It’s clearly “ad hominem” and “needlessly disparaging” and adds nothing while raising the temperature. Also, friends don’t throw the term “liar” at each other.
    Again, the Sox, and almost all of their fans, thought they had the deal sewn up *one* day beforehand. Too bad the team didn’t understand what it means to *bid* on a player. The Yanks often have to pay more than other teams to convince them to come to NYC. Why should the Sox be any different? Welcome to Free Agency 101. But I guess when a player has other preferences AND the team still wants a sweetheart deal (which Lowell knows now that loyalty is a one-way street), that makes the player a “liar”. Damn, what the Yankees wouldn’t give for the same level of media (and fan) manipulation.
    What’s funny about all of this to me: I didn’t even want Teixeira on my team. But this non-story is making me like him even more.

    Rob March 30, 2009, 5:15 pm
  • Well said, Andrew. If the Sox had simply bid more, instead of publicly whining and walking out like fifth graders, there could easily have been a point where the Yankees couldn’t compete. How much did the Sox tactics hurt them? That’s what we don’t know because it never happened. Their money wasn’t competitive even though they could have certainly afforded more. Just like with Damon. But then I suppose Seth Mnookin’s propaganda (from inside the tent) is the final word on that “liar” too.

    Rob March 30, 2009, 5:22 pm
  • Didn’t Teixeira also express concern to the Sox about what would happen to Lowell? I suppose he was merely disingenuous then. Or perhaps he realized that when the team says they can’t afford to go higher, they’re lying. I mean, one year after they nickel and dimed Lowell (you know, months after he took the World Series MVP) they’re throwing over $150 million on the table to replace him? I mean, who wouldn’t trust those guys?
    I’d like to write a post for this site. My idea: Maybe the Red Sox Don’t Need a Lying Coach
    Who should I submit it to?

    Rob March 30, 2009, 5:47 pm
  • Maybe when he met the Sox personnel, he thought they were a bunch of idiots? Ever even consider that?
    I’m sorry, this has what to do with negotiating through the media?
    Well, seems to me the Sox front office did exactly what he didn’t want them to do…talk to the press. Never heard a peep from the Yankees, did we? Kinda came out of leftfield when we landed him, right? So, it would seem, and again WE KNOW NOTHING THAT ACTUALLY WENT ON that he probably thought your beloved front office was a bunch of idiots and didn’t want to play for them? I mean, we can both play the speculation game, can’t we?
    You are pathetic Paul, period
    So this is the sum of your argument against a post you call “asinine.” I’m glad you’re a Yankee fan.
    Yeah, because being a Sox fan somehow means you have the moral high ground on things? The funny thing is Sox fans like yourself actually believe this idiocy. That somehow your team does no wrong…some kind of cosmic counterpoint to the “Evil Empire”. More like a bunch of little crybabies that even after winning two rings, can’t let this stupidity go…
    And yes, you are pathetic. This post is a pathetic attempt to cover your childish temper tantrum. I stand by my statement. You know NOTHING about what the guy thought, said behind the scenes, or thought of your beloved organization. You are taking sound bites and trying to justify not only insulting the player, but also ARod. Pathetic all around as you are being called out by just about everyone…

    krueg March 30, 2009, 6:09 pm
  • The rules more or less apply to YF’s here…screw it, we should start giving it back. I, for one, am sick of the double standard on here. Take it like you give it SF’s or let the bans begin…

    krueg March 30, 2009, 6:11 pm
  • the Red Sox’s method of airing the dirty laundry of negotiations worked against them,
    This can only be true if the Red Sox had a chance, which they did not. The Yankees were THE team, and were THE team from the beginning. The Sox’ meeting with Teixeira made that clear to them.
    Again, Teixeira simply said that the Sox’s negotiating tactics worked against them
    Again, that assumes negotiations took place, which they clearly did not. The Red Sox went to Texas in good faith to negotiate, received a ridiculous offer that made it clear Teixeira had made his choice already (and at his own press conference, the date on which he said his decided was earlier than the meeting with the Sox), and said so publicly.
    Criticizing the Sox for negotiating publicly is like praising John McCain for not bringing up his opponent’s lack of experience in Vietnam.
    It’s clearly “ad hominem” and “needlessly disparaging” and adds nothing while raising the temperature.
    I’m sorry, Rob. Whatever I said to make you mad I just assumed would be so over the top that no reasonable person would take offense. I should have followed your lead and just called them commies. If one of the mods wants to take me to task for being needlessly inflammatory — so far three of them, including two Yankee fans, have commented here and not done so — so be it. But forgive me if I find it unconvincing to be lectured by, of all posters, you.

    Paul SF March 30, 2009, 6:12 pm
  • Thanks Paul for pointing out another asinine post by a SF…
    I would love to see some of the YF mods post some similar posts about the Sox, of course, we never do. But we’re the asshole fanbase…ha.

    krueg March 30, 2009, 6:17 pm
  • This can only be true if the Red Sox had a chance, which they did not.
    So says you. Negotiations are fraught with “ridiculous” demands. But to walk way from the table means you have exactly zero chance and it’s all your fault most especially when there are other bidders. Worse, your argument is based on only what was happening on one side of the table AND you still thought the Sox were the winning bidders one day beforehand. Way to write revisionist history. You were wrong at the time and you’re still wrong.
    Glad you brought up the GOP. Your standard for argument is very similar to what I find on Hannity. If you write it enough (“Sox had no chance”) you can make it true! Too bad their “offer” was too low and behavior unacceptable.
    no reasonable person would take offense.
    Hmmm, except I offered an apology rather than digging in my heels when it became obvious *one* person had been offended. Here you’ve offended at least half your readers and you still maintain this insane, and highly inflammatory, slant on reality. Nice job upholding the standards of this site. This post is worse than what I’d find on talk radio or the tabloids. Splendid work. Now for high-brow fare I’ll go read the Boston Herald.

    Rob March 30, 2009, 6:33 pm
  • Here’s how I know this post is completely born of bitterness (emotion) and so strays very far from the truth (reason):
    Had the Sox bid more than the Yankees, this post would have been exactly the same.
    In science, where I work, when your hypothesis is supported by any set of facts, you’re not doing science. You’re doing religion.
    Teixeira had a preference. The Sox did very little to convince him otherwise and it seems their actions made their chances, “all things being equal”, that much worse. Still, money trumps everything in Free Agency 101. And, bottomline there, the Sox came up short. To say “They never had a chance” means they were prepared to pay as much as necessary and still the player chose otherwise. By their actions (which are more truthful than any mere words), the Sox showed that they weren’t ready to pay as much as necessary. So they lost. Get over it.

    Rob March 30, 2009, 7:06 pm
  • Actually, what I find funny about the signing now is that Cashman (who I don’t really like) absolutely schooled the Boston front office. I really wonder what would have happened has there been leaks in the Bronx (for instance, compare with Sabathia). That there was not a single leak is HUGE. The Sox, at the very least, could have driven up the stakes and known that Boras wasn’t bluffing if they had any inkling of the Yankee interest.
    From there, who knows if the Yankees could have matched the Sox, bid for bid?
    The answer is unknowable. That’s the problem with this overly emotional post. It’s a worthwhile question so long as you don’t ass-u-me the answer.

    Rob March 30, 2009, 7:43 pm
  • > You are pathetic Paul, period.
    krueg, i respect your right to disagree. Please keep your disagreement to the argument and avoid such attacks people.

    attackgerbil March 30, 2009, 7:50 pm
  • Both team have essentially the same player in the same position – regardless of serious salary discrepencies.
    I missed that comment. Haven’t we already gone through this, Brad. Youkilis (who I like) is 70% the player of Teixeira (who I didn’t want). Contract for contract, I easily take Youkilis. Player for player, I easily take Teixeira.

    Rob March 30, 2009, 8:06 pm
  • > post some similar posts about the Sox
    Will do, next time a Sox says something so stupid. The thing is, the last time I wanted to write such a post, Paul beat me to the punch.

    attackgerbil March 30, 2009, 8:23 pm
  • That article is not even in the same ballpark AG…come on man, I know he’s your boy and all but please.
    Needs to be much more passive-aggressively insulting to the Sox to keep up with some of the SF’s around here.

    krueg March 30, 2009, 8:34 pm
  • That article is not even in the same ballpark AG…come on man, I know he’s your boy and all but please.
    Needs to be much more passive-aggressively insulting to the Sox to keep up with some of the SF’s around here.

    krueg March 30, 2009, 8:34 pm
  • Can we all turn the temperature down here? This is kind of silly, isn’t it? Was the initial post a bit inflammatory? Sure. But can maybe the folks looking to criticize it just maybe say “hey, that was a bit inflammatory” and could we try to avoid the death-spiral of flame that we see here. If you see some other poster, even a mod, stepping over the invisible line to which we all try to hew–and we’re human people, and this site is focussed on rivals–that’s not an excuse to lose it yourself.
    my two cents: innocuous statement on an innocuous subject. who gives a crap about some toss-off sentence on sports radio? the contract situation is over and done with. Sometimes not caring how the sausage is made is a benefit.

    YF March 30, 2009, 8:35 pm
  • I’m so pissed I’m double posting…

    krueg March 30, 2009, 8:35 pm
  • > In science, where I work, when your hypothesis is supported by any set of facts, you’re not doing science. You’re doing religion.
    Give yourself a break from riding way atop your scientific high horse so you don’t lose perspective. There is nothing in the body of this post that is hypothetical. Personally, I think it was a stupid thing for Teixeira to answer that question in that way, as it serves no point whatsoever. I’m completely with dc on this one.

    attackgerbil March 30, 2009, 8:36 pm
  • YF…I can’t speak for anyone else but the reason I got so pissed is because everytime a SF posts some garbage like this, we are supposed to just get over it. Why is it allowed to continue? When do you YF’s ever post crap like this? This site is supposed to be better than this typical BS and most of the time it is.

    krueg March 30, 2009, 8:39 pm
  • > I know he’s your boy
    Paul isn’t “my” anything. He also doesn’t need me to defend him, so I should have kept my own yap shut. I will say that I’m a bit pissed that I can’t write as well or thoroughly as he does, and I pity him that he was horribly wronged by whatever deity that gave him the bent chromosome that makes people Sox fans. j/k.

    attackgerbil March 30, 2009, 8:45 pm
  • > When do you YF’s ever post crap like this
    I post crap like this all the time. It’s just not as insightful.

    attackgerbil March 30, 2009, 8:46 pm
  • There is nothing in the body of this post that is hypothetical.
    What’s most hilarious of this epic fail of a defense for your boy is that Teixeira’s whole point is based on a “hypothetical”! The overly emotional response is itself a one-side interpretation of that very “hypothtetical”:
    “all things being equal”
    Paul assumes they never were and never could be. That liar!
    I, and most of the commenters here, instead look to the facts. The Sox ran whining from the table before they even tried to make things equal.
    Whether they ever could have is exactly the hypothetical that is unanswerable. Like I said, interesting question (worthy of a discussion). The assumption of an answer, and the mode of presentation, is an offense to human reason.

    Rob March 30, 2009, 8:55 pm
  • > defense for your boy
    I suggest you stop that, right now.

    attackgerbil March 30, 2009, 8:58 pm
  • No you don’t AG…don’t cheapen yourself by comparing your posts to this garbage.
    Your jokes are just that, jokes…cheeky and fun. Not thinly veiled passive-aggressive drivel like this post.

    krueg March 30, 2009, 8:59 pm
  • Not thinly veiled passive-aggressive drivel like this post.
    Hammer meet nailed.

    Rob March 30, 2009, 9:02 pm
  • krueg, I think Paul is right-on in his take here and I’ll leave it at that. I am going to disengage from this thread because I don’t think it is a big deal.

    attackgerbil March 30, 2009, 9:05 pm
  • OK AG…if your cool with this, that’s your prerogative.

    krueg March 30, 2009, 9:15 pm
  • On the other end of the blog spectrum today, there’s this:
    http://riveraveblues.com/2009/03/fielding-bible-jeters-defense-revisited-9558/
    Perhaps the most analyzed topic in sports history and Mike has nailed the summary. Jeter’s defense:
    1. Converts the balls he gets to into outs (and seemingly better than any other SS)
    2. Low range (among the worst) because he plays too far in…
    3. and the jumpthrow…
    4. make up for a weak arm.
    Great read.

    Rob March 30, 2009, 9:28 pm
  • I am with YF – the reaction here is just way over the top and not commensurate with the subject matter. I just went back about a month, there are only two posts that seem remotely (barely, frankly) incendiary on the topic of a ballplayer being stupid or dishonest – the first instance was YF posting about A-Rod having an abscess in his head, the other was Paul posting about Papelbon’s lack of couth – in both instances the fan of the team critiqued the player from his own team. Other than that the postings have been non-confrontational, though some comment threads obviously get that way on occasion. The broad generalizations about who gets away with what at this site just have to stop.
    There are just too many generalizations here, too many really nasty comments, and too many misinterpretations of the terms of service.
    As for the topic of this post, my first sentence in my first (and only other comment) stands, the first sentence in the comment thread.

    SF March 30, 2009, 9:37 pm
  • too many really nasty comments
    You’re going to make a charge like that, and not specify? Talk about passive-aggressive…
    There are many folks calling foul in this thread, and much more than I’ve ever seen in my time here. The truth is we know exactly what was out of bounds. And it began with the title.
    Unless you want people intuiting the liars in this world? That’s never productive and always emotional. The sooner you prevent content like that, especially with a TOS like that, the sooner you’ll avoid flamewars like this.

    Rob March 30, 2009, 10:24 pm
  • Rob: I am requesting that you abandon this thread with no further comment.

    attackgerbil March 30, 2009, 11:03 pm
  • “actually, what I find funny about the signing now is that Cashman (who I don’t really like) absolutely schooled the Boston front office.”
    he definitely schooled the boston FO in that offered the most money sort of way.

    Ric March 30, 2009, 11:18 pm
  • 70% the player?
    Still not really believing this, but we’ll see this year with Tex’s first year in this division. Whatever makes your hair fly back, I guess, but there are very few players in baseball 30% better than Youk, and Tiexera isn’t one of them.

    Brad March 31, 2009, 9:11 am
  • Let’s discuss exactly what we know, only from attributable public statements by people directly involved in the contract talks:
    Dec. 12: Teixeira and his wife decide to sign with the Yankees. “That’s when it was done,” he said at his introductory press conference.
    Dec. 18: Teixeira and Boras meet with the Red Sox, after which John Henry says the Red Sox have no chance to sign him.
    Teixeira made his decision six days before Henry’s public comments. So either Teixeira is easily confused and forgot what he said all of two months ago, or he’s being disingenuous.
    Anyone willing to address the merits of the argument and avoid the whining, goalpost-shifting, misuse of the English language or personal attacks can respond now. I’ll not be responding to anything else.

    Paul SF March 31, 2009, 10:10 am
  • Let’s discuss
    Let’s not.
    70% the player?
    VORP and WARP say so. And that’s with Youkilis having a very late career year. I think he’s a late bloomer and a great value. But I believe VORP and WARP. You may choose not to.

    Rob March 31, 2009, 10:30 am
  • Let’s not.
    I know rational discussion isn’t your thing, Rob. You’d rather move goalposts, shift the argument, fill the debate with antagonistic snark and then act persecuted when others respond in kind.
    But try anyway. You might like it.

    Paul SF March 31, 2009, 11:18 am
  • Why be nasty?

    Rob March 31, 2009, 11:38 am
  • Did someone actually say that Teixeira is 30% better than Youk? The same Teix without a single Bronx AB or playoff appearance in which more than a handful cared?
    LMAO
    I would argue that the proven Youk, with positive UZR ratings at both 1st and 3rd, to go along with his .900+ OPS regular season and 1000+ OPS postseason, to say nothing about his bargain basement cost and commitment, is infinitely more valuable than Teixeira.
    As far as Paul’s more-than-fair post: I don’t know why a single Red Sox fan cares about Teixeira or what he says. The only thing that concerned me about his signing was its the potential affect on Youk’s. But no more, now he’s just another $20m Yankee who will be clogging up their roster until he’s well past functional. And with a horseface, to boot.

    Dirty Water March 31, 2009, 12:08 pm
  • SF and Sam, I think, nailed it off the bat.
    I wouldn’t call it a lie, but hyperbole intended to ingratiate himself to the NYY fans. And in doing so, he made himself sound like a moron.
    Most of the rest of you are overreacting a bit to Paul, who also overreacted with the “lying” remark.
    Bitter? Because we didn’t win December? Tex is a nice player, but so is Yooks. And Yooks is cheaper, a bit more versatile and still hungry for the fat contract.
    You guys needed Tex more than we did. And you need him even more now that your third baseman has had Mike Lowell surgery.
    But overreacting has never been a problem here at YFSF, where Yankee Fans come first :)

    I'mBillMcNeal March 31, 2009, 12:24 pm
  • Again, in my post lets see how it plays out now that he’s in the AL East, and not the much inferior AL West (in Texas, no lessd) and the NL East. I know a lot of folks don’t like to take ballpark or competition into account when they need an argument, but has there ever been anyone who played in Texas that wasn’t a hitting machine?
    Lets see if he’s “30% the player” seven months from now, after he’s run the gauntlet of AL East competition.
    He’s good, but he won’t be 30% (or any percent) better than Youkilis.

    Brad March 31, 2009, 1:57 pm
  • Boston has some of the best schools in the nation, I think you need go take some English lessons.
    * “If all things were equal, the Yankees were the place that I wanted to go.”
    * And we already know that the Yankees’ offer was higher than the Red Sox’ — and thus not “equal.”
    He said “if”.

    YF March 31, 2009, 6:45 pm
  • “has there ever been anyone who played in Texas that wasn’t a hitting machine?”
    Exactly. Texas and then to a contract run means nothing. Let’s see how old horseface does with a few lights shining upon him.
    My guess has always been that he’ll become a ‘nice’ player (kinda like Abreu was) with very little impact. And for that the Yanks will have compromised their ‘out position’ for guys like Posada, the hipless Aroid, and the multitude of no-defense stiffs they have on the farm.

    Dirty Water March 31, 2009, 8:23 pm

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