It would be a big mistake to let Mark Loretta go following the season.
And, by the way, the Boston Dirt Dogging on Manny is ignorant, petty and stupid.
What are the odds that Manny is out of Boston this winter? Word is that ManRam isn’t going to play at all this weekend. That said, I hope Guidry and Kerrigan instruct everyone to not throw Papi ANYTHING; and walk his ass whenever necessary.
I don’t think the odds are very good, BY. The money remaining on his contract is now small enough for the Red Sox to handle but still too large per year for anyone but the Sox and Yanks (and the Mets) to take. I also think he’s made his peace with the team and the city, EEIdiots and the Dirt Dogs aside.
Incidentally, the Globe reports that Manny might be done for the year, as the tendinitis has reached the point to where it bothers him in his normal stance in the batter’s box. I was hoping this news would shut up the conspiracy theorists who whine that Manny doesn’t play hurt — since it’s now clear he played hurt nearly this entire season — but apparently not.
“It would be a big mistake to let Mark Loretta go following the season.”
I couldn’t agree more. He’s been great for the sox this year – always seems to be on base.
BTW, is this the last year of Schilling’s contract? If so, do you SF’s think he will be re-signed?
Disregard the Schill question – got my answer on BDD.
On one hand, I’d like to see the Yanks pitchers go right at Papi and take him down a notch (figuratively, not literally), but that’s asking a lot.
To me, the ideal is to stick with the tremendous middle infield we’ve had this season and replace Cora with Pedroia and give the kid a year to grow into the Majors. I know there’s concerns about Gonzo’s offense, but he’s just good enough offensively to keep him around because of his unbelievable glove. When he’s hot, he’s an incredibly valuable shortstop/9-hitter — at least to my mind. I dunno if the FO would agree.
Re: Manny–my favorite player on the team. The guy who had an .850 OBP and a couple home runs in that awful series against the Yankees (and reached base 19/20 thanks to a couple of errors).
Is he dogging it? Probably somewhat. I’m guessing he COULD play on the leg if the Yankees were, say, 2 games ahead in the AL East. But I’m pretty sure if he were not hurt at all, he’d play. This is all conjecture, of course. The person who knows how he feels is Manny.
Just hit .300/40/130 in 2007, ‘kay Manny? I know you probably will, just asking nicely.
At this point, considering how little this series means in the grand scheme of things, there’s no point playing Manny and having him perhaps injure himself worse. Just let him heal and he’ll hit the bejeezus out of the ball again next season.
I know this has been discussed before, but it doesn’t cease to amaze me how little appreciation there seems to be for Manny in Boston…why is that? Don’t they realize Ortiz wouldn’t be half the producer he is without Manny protecting him?
There’s plenty of appreciation for Manny in Boston.
There’s a significant lack of appreciation for him in the Boston press. I suspect it’s because the sports writers/columnists, not having elected officials whose feet they can hold to the fire, feel they must be the Grand Guardians of the Game and give it to any player they feel like doesn’t play the game properly (and, to be honest, Manny’s had a couple of those issues — running out ground balls, lollygagging in the field, etc).
The problem of course is that it’s obvious to most observers, ie fans, that Manny does care, he’s played hurt most of this season, and he played hurt after his initial 10-game break to help try and the team despite the fact that it cost him statistically (2 for 16 or somesuch during that span).
The ballpark-going fans at any rate have made their love for Manny clear, and that’s really what matters.
Mark Loretta, v.2006:
.293/.353/.366, playing a decent 2B (to me, it seems he makes the plays he should – gets what’s hit to him, but doesn’t have much range). He is 35 years old. He ranks 9th amongst AL second basemen with a 14.8 VORP.
That’s not great. The question, however, is what is the other option? Pedroia, I imagine. Is he ready? If so, cut bait, because Loretta really isn’t all that good. If not, or if you’re not sure, a modest 1 year deal would be a good move (if Loretta will take that).
all you need to know about the Boston media is how differently they treats Manny as compared to the chronicly hurt Trot Nixon. How can they seriously insinuate that Manny, who plays most of the season every and is the model of consistent excelence, is slacking off while calling Trot a gamer.?
Rob, the question is: Will Loretta take a one year deal? I’m not sure the market is so hot for him right now, but if a team looking for a solid 2nd basemen wants him, they could bid him up. Would the Sox be willing to pay him past two years? Would Sox fans want him re-signed to a three year contract?
As for Manny… he has a legit injury. He could and would probably play if the division was on the line. It is not, however. Given how important he is to the team, it makes sense not to push it. Shut him down so that he can come back next year and yet again be amongst the top 5 hitters in the AL.
Granted. If he wants more than 1 year, it becomes a difficult decision. Here’s the thing…
.314 .372 .441
.335 .391 .495
.280 .360 .347
.293 .353 .366
Those are his stats for the last 4 seasons. 2005 and 2006 are nearly identical. That’s what he is at this point. If age causes him to slip but a little more… he’s all done.
But like I said, if Pedroia isn’t ready (or just isn’t any good), then Loretta may be the best option. 2B is a pretty weak position in the AL.
Loretta is getting older, Rob, and it’s clear he tires toward the end of the season, which is depressing his numbers. Remember though that 2004 was an injury year — thumb, I believe, so that’s kind of misleading.
I wouldn’t want him signed to a multiyear deal because I believe Pedroia will be ready for sure by 2008, and at age 37, you’re treading into serious falloff territory — but his intangibles (positively Jeterlike!) plus the potential to give you a solid contact hitter who will spend most of the season above .300/.360 is quite valuable. And as you say, who else is gonna be out there? Brian Roberts? I don’t think so.
Also, Loretta’s numbers would be higher if he hadn’t gone into an uncharacteristic monthlong funk in late April/early May, for whatever that’s worth.
Sorry, 2005 was his injury season. What day is it again?
Friiiiiday! Thank goodness.
Paul, looking at the 2005 and 2006 numbers, I don’t think you can consider 2005 a fluke down year caused by the thumb injury. To me, it looks like that’s the player he is now (perhaps he never fully recovered from that injury and that’s where the power drain came from, I dunno).
I agree, however, that there isn’t much out there, so Loretta may indeed be the best option. And he seems like a good guy.
Yeah, Loretta’s been playing hurt this year too (the quad he sat with for a couple days earlier in the year), and I think that’s contributed to his decline lately. Of course, he’s 35, so it becomes a question of whether you can keep using injuries as an outlier or whether they must be factored into the equation.
For most of the year though, Loretta’s been performing far above those season-long stats. I can’t see how the Sox can be anything but happy with his performance, and he absolutely should be here next year. But not beyond that. I’m hoping he gets hot and gets back to .300, just because he deserves it.
Rob struck my curiosity because I didn’t think Loretta’s numbers were as bad as they were. Here’s some interesting stuff:
His walk rate is down and strikeout rate is up this year. Although his slugging and isolated power are up slightly from last year, his AB/HR are down. I wonder if he’s being more aggressive being in a better lineup than the one in San Diego (thus the more strikeouts), as well as seeing fewer bad pitches because of who hits behind him.
He’s also hitting .309 since April with a .359 OBP, which explains why I have a better impression of him than the season numbers show. He has improved from last year — it just took him through the month of April to get it together.
I can see Boston trading Manny only if they can replace his bat by either trading for Andruw Jones, signing Carlos Lee or obtaining another power hitter in return. I dont think they will have any interest at all in Sheffield whos name has been comming up a lot.
Coco Crisp will probably be going as well, and I wouldnt put it past Boston trying to get rid of Lowell in some deal as well and moving Youkilis back to third and getting a more HR kinda hitter for 1st base. (How about Manny for Delgado with the Mets? then get Jones in a trade for Crisp and a couple prospects then your lineup goes 3-4-5 L-R-L 35 HR 130RBI hitters)
The numbers just don’t tell the whole story once again – as we Yankee fans have seen this year,Loretta is a hell of a tough out. So I say: let him go!
Rather than tinker with the part of your team that’s sound (the infield), why not get some pitching? When Youkilis batted leadoff, your offense, while down from ’04 – ’05 was productive.
Atlanta would ask more for Jones in a trade for Crisp than Theo would pay, in my opinion.
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