Pettitte’s Statement

First, I would like to say that contrary to media reports, I have never used steroids. I have no idea why the media would say that I have used steroids, but they have done so repeatedly. This is hurtful to me and my family.

In 2002 I was injured. I had heard that human growth hormone could promote faster healing for my elbow. I felt an obligation to get back to my team as soon as possible. For this reason, and only this reason, for two days I tried human growth hormone. Though it was not against baseball rules, I was not comfortable with what I was doing, so I stopped. This is it – two days out of my life; two days out of my entire career, when I was injured and on the disabled list.

If what I did was an error in judgment on my part, I apologize. I accept responsibility for those two days. Everything else written or said about me knowingly using illegal drugs is nonsense, wrong and hurtful. I have the utmost respect for baseball and have always tried to live my life in a way that would be honorable. I wasn’t looking for an edge; I was looking to heal.

If I have let down people that care about me, I am sorry, but I hope that you will listen to me carefully and understand that two days of perhaps bad judgment should not ruin a lifetime of hard work and dedication. I have tried to do things the right way my entire life, and, again, ask that you put those two days in the proper context. People that know me will know that what I say is true.

Note: We regret the comments made in the text previously in this space, based on incomplete quotations of the above statement by Pettitte. A record of that text is below.

“If what I did was an error in judgment on my part, I apologize,” Pettitte said Saturday in a statement released by his agent. “I accept responsibility for those two days.”

Who is advising this guy, Dick Cheney? This is an admission, not an apology. You cannot qualify an apology like Pettitte does (“IF what I did”??!!) and expect it to be taken seriously by anyone but those without any reading comprehension skills. This is a snow job, an attempt to make good with a public, nothing else.

[Edit: I put this post up using read Pettitte’s statement at SI and Newsday, amongst others. What I cited was what was represented by these two outlets as Pettitte’s entire statement. Since then, a full version has been printed that fleshes out Pettitte’s explanation and this post is therefore wrongly stated.]

[Edit 2: It was recommended that I take this post down. I am not going to do that — though it is somewhat overstated I will not erase it from the records of the site, I don’t think that’s a wise policy even if it strikes something that doesn’t reflect well on me. For the record, and as I have stated in the comments, my original post had absolutely nothing to do with the Yankees and everything to do with the limited and qualified statement as originally presented as the entirety of Pettitte’s words. Because the sources that I checked (SI, Newsday, and an AP wire story, full disclosure) had truncated the statement and not disclosed this fact I posted under mistaken assumptions. I do not know why these news sources did this. Had I read the entire statement I would not have put this post up in these terms, it might have been much more measured. I take full unqualified responsibility for my post, though, and I apologize for my mistaken assumptions.]

72 comments… add one
  • So Pettitte isnt allowed to have his say on the subject and give his opinion on what he did? I think his admission was just that and thats what its being reported as not an apology.

    sam-YF December 15, 2007, 5:58 pm
  • Sam:
    I don’t know if Pettitte actually owes anyone an apology. But that first sentence is very clearly an attempt to cloak this admission in the language of an apology, and that is, in my opinion, deceptive and condescending. If anything, the language magnifies the fact that Pettitte feels no remorse about his choice to take HGH.
    This has nothing to do with Pettitte being a Yankee, either. I just hate doublespeak like this.

    SF December 15, 2007, 6:03 pm
  • SF, Ive re-read this article a few times and Im not sure what your problem is with what Andy did. He came clean and explained his actions which is better than 95% of the players who have ever been implicated. I see only positives in this not negatives Im not sure what else you wanted from him.

    sam-YF December 15, 2007, 6:04 pm
  • Here’s the rest of what he said. Not sure why this part was left out.
    “In 2002 I was injured. I had heard that human growth hormone could promote faster healing for my elbow,” Pettitte said in the statement released to The Associated Press by agent Randy Hendricks.
    “I felt an obligation to get back to my team as soon as possible. For this reason, and only this reason, for two days I tried human growth hormone. Though it was not against baseball rules, I was not comfortable with what I was doing, so I stopped.
    “This is it — two days out of my life; two days out of my entire career, when I was injured and on the disabled list,” he said. “I wasn’t looking for an edge. I was looking to heal.”
    “I have the utmost respect for baseball and have always tried to live my life in a way that would be honorable,” he said. “If I have let down people that care about me, I am sorry, but I hope that you will listen to me carefully and understand that two days of perhaps bad judgment should not ruin a lifetime of hard work and dedication.
    “I have tried to do things the right way my entire life, and, again, ask that you put those two days in the proper context. People that know me will know that what I say is true,” he said.

    John - YF December 15, 2007, 6:06 pm
  • Sam:
    My above comment sums it up, not sure if yours and mine were cross-posted.
    The point is that all Pettitte effective said in this statement is “I took HGH”. That’s it. The rest of the statement is misdirection, an attempt to make this statement look like an apology (in order to glean the PR gain of such a perception, without a doubt) when in fact it is nothing of the sort. I hate shit like this, it is the territory of professionally insincere politicians. I would have been more impressed by a “Yes, I took HGH”, without any of the other nonsense.

    SF December 15, 2007, 6:09 pm
  • Then why didn’t you make ALL the comments available? He does have remorse, when you read the complete comment.

    John - YF December 15, 2007, 6:10 pm
  • Ok, John, that is much more useful. Every story I read before I posted (four of them) eliminated all other portions of the statement, which is journalistically incompetent.

    SF December 15, 2007, 6:10 pm
  • I think he was a MAN and stepped up and said Yes I took it and I am sorry. Geez that is more than any of the other athletes are doing. GIVE THE MAN SOME CREDIT crap you people are unbelievable. If they say nothing you think wow he is guilty can’t even say anything to help his case. If they say something you go after him…. I would go through my agent too with a bunch of fickle a*** people as yourselves.
    I think he should be penelized for what he did .. they will not banned .. we know that. But he should either be suspended for a few games or money should be taken from him. He should not get away with what he did.

    Dj_@Yf December 15, 2007, 6:10 pm
  • NP SF!

    John - YF December 15, 2007, 6:12 pm
  • Pettitte DID say IF what he did is wrong. How can he say “if?!” If doing illegal drugs is wrong, I apologize. If you want to come clean, do it.

    Dj_@Yf December 15, 2007, 6:19 pm
  • exactly, Dj.

    Brad December 15, 2007, 6:22 pm
  • SF-
    It was a cross-post. I understand your point but to me I think its looking for a negative in a positive act. I think his statement was commendable but thats just my opinion.

    sam-YF December 15, 2007, 6:23 pm
  • I agree, Sam. Especially in light of what this does to Clemens’ fake ass denial of everything and anything. This was clearly not an easy choice for Pettitte to make, and he made the right one. He knows that this gives a significant amount of credit to the report now.

    Brad December 15, 2007, 6:38 pm
  • And so we bounce into the immeasurable, miserable area. “I wasn’t looking for an edge. I was looking to heal.” Unfortunately, from my perspective, if this action was not based on the advice and directive of a _qualified_ medical professional, Andy’s in a really tight spot, regardless of intention.

    attackgerbil December 15, 2007, 6:42 pm
  • http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/12/15/2007-12-15_andy_pettitte_admits_using_human_growth_.html?page=1
    Pettitte made it clear in his statement that his use of HGH did not overlap with those title years.
    Pettitte signed a one-year, $16 million deal last week to return to the Yankees. General manager Brian Cashman did not return a call seeking comment on Pettitte’s statement.
    “If I have let down people that care about me, I am sorry, but I hope that you will listen to me carefully and understand that two days of perhaps bad judgment should not ruin a lifetime of hard work and dedication,” Pettitte said. “I have tried to do things the right way my entire life, and, again, ask that you put those two days in the proper context. People that know me will know that what I say is true.”
    “Contrary to media reports, I have never used steroids,” Pettitte said. “I have no idea why the media would say that I have used steroids, but they have done so repeatedly. This is hurtful to me and my family.”

    Dj_@Yf December 15, 2007, 6:50 pm
  • .. and by immeasurable I mean:
    How qualified?
    What directive?
    Does two days (maybe?) of (perhaps?) bad judgement dismiss his career? His “values”? His contributions?
    Profanity coming: parsing this shit is really going to fucking suck.

    attackgerbil December 15, 2007, 6:50 pm
  • Reading my own follow-up, I realize that qualified is definitely measurable, as is directive. The third part is worth talking about, but I did not really need to go past the first comment. I feel bad for Andy, but only because of the fact that whatever truth there is about his usage, that truth will always be couched around uncertain terms and speculation. The final line of my follow-up still stands.

    attackgerbil December 15, 2007, 7:05 pm
  • I am sad that it’s true, but I respect him for having the balls to own up.
    Takes a brave man to do that however you want to twist it, SF. I do wish he didn’t qualify it with an “if”. Yeah Andy, you DID let people down, there’s nothing “if” about it.

    yankeemonkey December 15, 2007, 7:11 pm
  • LoHud is funny. I mean, really, really funny.

    Brad December 15, 2007, 7:57 pm
  • Spare your last remaining brain cells, Brad ;-)

    yankeemonkey December 15, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • I like his statement. It seems very honest, and it does take a lot of guts to say what he did. But I also don’t understand, particularly in the context of everything else he says, why he uses those two phrases:
    “If I let people down… If I made an error in judgment.”
    You did, and you did, Andy. He even says he stopped because he felt uncomfortable doing it, i.e. he KNEW he was making an error by taking a prescription drug illegally. He also says, “Though it was not against baseball rules…” even though I’m pretty sure baseball frowns on committing felonies.
    There’s just some poorly chosen language in an otherwise well-spoken admission.

    Paul SF December 15, 2007, 8:38 pm
  • SF loves to criticize Yankees.

    Anonymous December 15, 2007, 9:12 pm
  • And thus returns the bullsh*t superiority complexes rampant among SFs and YFs.
    Next time you make a stupid mistake, how about we tell everyone about it in the midst of a national media circus. Then we can compare your statement to his.
    Until then, Andy is one of the only baseball players willing to acknowledge, and take responsibility for, what he did. So quit finding fault in his wording, and start asking why more players aren’t at least taking this step.

    KurticusMaximus- YF December 15, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • Next time you make a stupid mistake, how about we tell everyone about it in the midst of a national media circus.
    Yeah, those poor ballplayers. If only they knew what they were getting into!

    Paul SF December 15, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • please note my edits to the original post, up top.

    SF December 15, 2007, 11:11 pm
  • Alriht why are we crediting Andy? Screw him. He apologises NOW? Now that its OUT? Frak him. He jsut saw it as his best PR move. Had he apologised three months ago, a year ago, then he’d get credit from.
    So I *DONT* like his statement and still think he’s a scumbag. Cheating is cheating. Illegal drugs are illegal drugs.. and yes, HGH was illegal in they way Pettite aquired them. I dont give a flying FRAK why he took them. Whether it was to heal faster to help his team, make his stats better, or to make his goddamn hair more luxourious , it was ILLEGAL and CHEATING.
    Why the hell are we beleiving anything in this apology anyway? So what if he said he never took steroids while he admits to taking HGH? He lied before… any reason to beleive he’s not STILL lying? He says it didnt overlap any of the title years. AGain… SO? He said before he never took ANYTHING. Once a liar, ALWAYS a liar.
    Don’t get me wrong. I’m glad he admitted to it, but I refuse to use it as evidence that he’s all hoenst now. It’s just a tactic, thats all.. and clearly a very effective one from the reactions here.
    “The most convincign lie is hidden between two truths” – Deep Throat, X-Files

    Dionysus December 15, 2007, 11:18 pm
  • it seems like andy, along with a lot of other folk, are completely oblivious to the fact that they were breaking federal law (Controlled Substances Act). it’s of no consequence how or when MLB got on board.
    good for andy to own up. it’s part of being a man. bad of andy to drop the “if” bombs. it makes me want to put an implied “if” in front of every one of his sentiments. as in…….”if” “it was only for two days.”

    sf rod December 15, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • Yeah, those poor ballplayers. If only they knew what they were getting into!
    Thanks for responding with another example of the aforementioned superiority. It’s almost like you’re just trying to prove me right.

    KurticusMaximus- YF December 15, 2007, 11:21 pm
  • I’m sorry Kurticus, there is no way you can make me see Andy in a good light now. Not now that he’s been named. He’s scum. Not jsut cause he’s a Yankee either.. Mo Vaughn is scum and it shatters my heart to say that.
    They are all scum. It was against federal law even if not baseball regs (though I’m SURE theres a rule about breaking federal laws somewhere). Scum.
    I will not forgive any of them.

    Dionysus December 15, 2007, 11:24 pm
  • So Dio, are you saying that all of the other players on all of the other teams (including the Red Sox) that used and didnt get busted should fess up and apologize now? Sure, thats a realistic view of the world. People just dont do that.

    sam-YF December 15, 2007, 11:25 pm
  • I know they dont, sam. But they SHOULD and not doing so makes them all the worse. It makes them even worse than they already were for what they did.
    Yes, including the Red Sox. Absolutely.

    Dionysus December 15, 2007, 11:27 pm
  • I think the person who suffers the most from Pettitte’s statement is his best friend. Pettitte is saying that McNamee told the truth, at least with respect to his own case, thus boosting McNamee’s credibility and hurting Clemens’ collaterally.

    SF December 15, 2007, 11:30 pm
  • When it comes to lying.. to cheating… I am extremely unforgiving. Maybe it’s related to my father who was/is basically just short of a patholgoical liar, lied to the efamily / stole money from his mentally ill brothers trust fund / cheated on my mother, but I cannot forgivng lying nor cheating (be it on relationships or baseball).
    The ONLY chance you have with me for salvation is admitting to it BEFORE you are caught. After the fact just is hollow and empty. Hell, at least Andy should have had the stones to go on TV and read his ‘statement’… and its a STATEMENT.. its prewritten, preplanned.. probably worked out with his agent and lawyer… himself. Even then.. too little too late.

    Dionysus December 15, 2007, 11:31 pm
  • Dio you need to stop looking to athletes for morality. They are human beings with weaknesses and bad sides like everyone else. Your anger towards Andy is misplaced.

    sam-YF December 15, 2007, 11:38 pm
  • It’s anger towards them all, not just Andy. Doesnt matter it this was atheletes or my best friend.. lying fills me with rage, period.
    And athletes DO have greater reponsibility. As publci figures, as the idols of children.. they have a responsibility to be aware of that and hold themselves to an accordingly high standard. If they aren’t willign to do that, they shouldn’t be playing professional anything.
    And I wasnt even THIS angry (it had msotly lapsed into horrible sadness.. why Mo? Why? Breaking my heart..), until I saw how many people BOUGHT INTO this apology. Beleived it unquestioningly. Gave him props for it. Then I got real mad again.

    Dionysus December 15, 2007, 11:43 pm
  • well some people have a different opinion from you and a different moral scale. Its our right to analyze it how we choose and taking other to task for doing so isnt right. Your opinion is well noted on this subject.

    sam-YF December 15, 2007, 11:47 pm
  • You are correct. I suppose I’m less angry those that (I think) have been fooled then I am at Pettite for just.. playing everyone. I apologise if I came off insulting to you guys.

    Dionysus December 15, 2007, 11:51 pm
  • mcnamee’s word is solid gold. the plea agreement he signed sends him away for a very long time if any of his testimony is found faulty or fabricated. avoiding jail time is obviously the most important issue for this guy.

    sf rod December 15, 2007, 11:51 pm
  • I wouldn’t call it solid gold, but those defending Clemens based on the “his trainer was coerced” defense are on much weaker ground now.

    SF December 15, 2007, 11:54 pm
  • I give Pettitte a total pass. If he had the flu would we condemn him for taking a shot of penicillin without a prescription. What if he took a cortisone shot when his doctor said he shouldn’t. How does helping a person recover quicker turn him into a cheater. Pettitte never got bigger or stronger and his stats were never better than they were in the ’90s.
    I think their is a difference between guys like bonds and mcguire who took stuff to make them better than they ever were, as opposed to guys like pettite and clemens who took drugs to make them pitch like they did when they were 25.
    If their was a drug out there that turned a 40 year old into a 25 year old, I think it would be pretty popular. Oh yea, I guess viagara is the ultimate performance enhancing drug.

    Jewish Jackhammer December 15, 2007, 11:56 pm
  • I’ve never been a fan of the impeachment of a persons testimoney jus tbecause he made a deal. Maybe I’ve just watched one too many episodes of Law & Order, but that’s basically how ALOT of testimoney is picked up in alot of cases. My god… where would all the work to break up Organized Crime be without testimony from witnesses for deals?
    How should this be any different?

    Dionysus December 16, 2007, 12:00 am
  • “If he had the flu would we condemn him for taking a shot of penicillin without a prescription”
    I do not know if penicillin is a controleld substance. If it is, then it was illegal and he would STILL BE a criminal. Period
    ” think their is a difference between guys like bonds and mcguire who took stuff to make them better than they ever were, as opposed to guys like pettite and clemens who took drugs to make them pitch like they did when they were 25.”
    Nope, no different at all in my mind. Cheating is cheating. There are no qualifiers.

    Dionysus December 16, 2007, 12:05 am
  • In regards to Dionysus’ post, my problem is in respect to how much should we diminish their accomplishments and how far should we go in villifying them.
    They did what most people do. They tried anything to get better at what they do. To get to their level you have to be an uber competitor. Who among us wouldn’t take a pill if meant that we could be better at our jobs.
    They should test for drugs but let’s not get so high and mighty. It’s a goddamn kid’s game. Sure, I love it. But people are acting like Clemens sold nuclear secrets to Iran when all he did was try to defy age and pitch like he was 25 again.

    Jewish Jackhammer December 16, 2007, 12:55 am
  • This isnt just som pill, JJ. This is a violation of Federal Law.
    And now if you offered me a pill that was ILLEGAL tthat would improve me in my job.. I would NOT take it. Not at all.

    Dionysus December 16, 2007, 1:29 am
  • jj- clemens name was built on his impeccable work ethic and insane training regimen. all of that is questionable now. it’s not a matter of being high and mighty as much as it is about the disappointment of realizing the things that built the legend were a charade.
    with regards to pettitte, it’s just sad to hear excuses. it doesn’t hurt as bad when guy’s like sheffield say “i thought it was tiger balm”, because you don’t expect any better. you want andy to be the stand up guy everyone’s always claimed him to be.
    “I had heard that human growth hormone could promote faster healing for my elbow, I felt an obligation to get back to my team as soon as possible.”
    does andy really believe that guy’s on the DL, not using HGH, don’t feel an obligation to their team?

    sf rod December 16, 2007, 1:44 am
  • Have you ever taken prescription medicine that wasn’t prescribed to you? That’s a federal crime.
    I guess we just disagree, that’s all. Guys shouldn’t do it because it’s dangerous but to me it doesn’t take that much away from their accomplishments.

    Jewish Jackhammer December 16, 2007, 1:45 am
  • Have you ever taken prescription medicine that wasn’t prescribed to you?
    well, i’m drinking whiskey tonite so i gotta avoid the yellow ones. but i’m down for some blues because i’m not looking for an edge. I’m looking to heal.

    sf rod December 16, 2007, 2:06 am
  • “Have you ever taken prescription medicine that wasn’t prescribed to you?”
    No, I have not. Why? Because its ILLEGAL.
    I’m not a perfect person, but Im pretty damn sure I’m on solid moral ground here. Clemens, Pettite, Vaughn, Tejada – all cheaters. All liars. Not a WORD any of them say can ever be trusted ever again.
    Andy’s apology doesn’t even SOUND all that honest. It sounds like a press release. Read F.P. Santangelo’s apology? At least that one sounds morev egitimate and I STILL don’t really buy it.
    Tell you what. I’ll give Andy one last chance to earn MY forgiveness. Since he was too much of a self-servign coward-liar not to come forward before he got caught, now he needs to call Selig or whoever up and starting naming more names. Blow everyone he knows cheated out of the water. He wonn’t though.. you know why? Because ultimately, for all his false apologies and ifs, he doesn’t beleive he was wrong.

    Dionysus December 16, 2007, 7:02 am
  • Tell you what. I’ll give Andy one last chance to earn MY forgiveness.
    Yes, I’m sure Andy will not be able to go on unless he has your forgiveness.
    Self-righteousness is not a good character trait dude.

    Jay-YF December 16, 2007, 8:13 am
  • Dionysus –
    Funny that this rant should be coming from you. As the God of Wine, your product was ILLEGAL less than a century ago and still is in many parts of the world.
    I’ve happily partaken in many drugs – legal and illegal. My life is better for it!

    Mike YF December 16, 2007, 8:55 am
  • I’d rather be self-righteous than a liar and a cheat.

    Dionysus December 16, 2007, 5:24 pm
  • I don’t understand how calling Dio “self-righteous” or engaging in any other sort of argument-shifting based on accused sanctimony has anything to do with the fact that Pettitte was confronted about PED use when Grimsley went belly-up and chose to lie, but when again confronted with his past choices, he chose to tell a couched truth, and did a rather piss-poor job of apologizing for his earlier choices. I am truly concerned that Pettitte will use his faith as a shield, appealing that he will make his peace with “Ultimate Authority”, not with the fans/non-fans to whom he flat-out lied. “They” aren’t going to take away his money; Andy will be just fine and continue to live a life of privilege that 99.9 percent of the people in the world will never know. However, inclusive of his lame attempt at an apology, I’m really disappointed with him as one of the guys I thought was a great ambassador for the game. To paraphrase SF way earlier in the thread, I would have been much more happy if Andy would have just said, “yeah, I did it. I fucked up by doing it, and I fucked up by lying about it,” – not that I expect him to be profane – but if there ever was a time to speak vulgarian…

    attackgerbil December 16, 2007, 5:47 pm
  • It’s true. I don’t really find anything honorable and courageous about Pettitte’s admission. AG does bring up a good point about the Grimsley affidavit. Pettitte didn’t “man up” then for whatever reason.
    //I had heard that human growth hormone could promote faster healing for my elbow, I felt an obligation to get back to my team as soon as possible.”
    does andy really believe that guy’s on the DL, not using HGH, don’t feel an obligation to their team?//
    sf-rod is completely right on here as well. Further, Andy attempted to gain a competitive advantage over other players trying to recover from injury who were not as unscrupulous as him. In my book, that’s cheating and sketchy. In the grand scheme of life it’s not a big sin. But Andy did, in my view, make an error in judgment and I think he knew it at the time.

    Nick-YF December 16, 2007, 8:09 pm
  • Gerb:
    I forgot about the Grimsley evasion. That drives my original statement, however overstated, home. I detest these non-apology apologies, and the more I re-read Pettitte’s statement the more it makes me seeth. It’s PR couched in faux sincerity, and I find it condescending to the fan in general.
    My original post, however overstated, was based in sincere frustration at this statement, and my fear that it buys Pettitte some sort of special preference from a large number of his supporters looking for any way to detach him from a guy like Clemens.
    The bravest thing, if one can call selling out a supposed best friend brave, that Pettitte has done is sell out his best friend. Clemens is in a very tough spot because of AP’s statement, and I am sure Pettitte was fully aware of this repercussion. One cannot make such a calculated and carefully worded missive without knowing what this meant to his buddy.

    SF December 16, 2007, 8:22 pm
  • wow, what a discussion…so again, exactly how was the mitchell investigation good for baseball?…

    dc December 17, 2007, 1:23 am
  • I’m glad Pettitte came out and admitted what he did, and gave us better insight as to his motivations. I know that most people will say that there’s no difference between using HGH to heal as opposed to gain an unfair advantage, but in my eyes I respect him more for it and for coming clean.
    Roger, however… there’s a lot of talk about suing for slander, but it will never happen. In order to win a slander case you need to prove three things:
    1. That the statements were false
    2. That the people who made the statements KNEW they were false
    3. They made the statements with malicious intent
    The only one that is true is #1. The Mitchell report obviously believes what the strength trainer is telling them (which negates #2), and I don’t think anyone here will try to argue that George Mitchell acted maliciously. You can make a strong case that the report was half-assed and lacked hard evidence, but in no way is it intentionally malicious.

    Atheose December 17, 2007, 8:55 am
  • ” I don’t really find anything honorable and courageous about Pettitte’s admission.”
    Please.
    Wouldn’t it have been a much easier choice to continue the denials? The adjective “honorable” aside, to be the first player on that list to publically admit using a PED took courage. I seriously doubt we’ll hear admissions from any of the others.

    The Sheriff (Andrews) December 17, 2007, 10:57 am
  • It is interesting that Brian McNamee has been vilified for talking to the Feds when told he might face jail time for perjury, if ever there was a legitimate reason to tell the truth (corroborated by information in the pocket of the Feds), that was it. Who among us would continue to lie under oath at the guaranteed expense of our own freedom?
    This act by McNamee has been used to denigrate his knowledge, to question his honesty. But when Pettitte was asked about PEDs with no threat of any jail time he lied. And now, with no threat of anything, a sixteen million dollar contract inked, and countless millions more in the bank, he comes clean, and everyone wants to call him a hero.
    The standards are all over the place on this. It is possible that Pettitte did something rather unexpected, admitting the use of HGH. But that isn’t heroic, regardless of the cowardice of those around him.

    SF December 17, 2007, 11:18 am
  • ” everyone wants to call him a hero.”
    Aren’t you trying to make this issue zero sum?
    I don’t want to call Andy a hero – I just think he did the right thing by admitting his use of HGH.

    The Sheriff (Andrews) December 17, 2007, 11:46 am
  • ” everyone wants to call him a hero.”
    Yep, bad words on my part. Sorry…
    I suppose I have read far more extolling the virtues of Pettitte than pieces, like with Nick and Gerb above, who question the convenience of Pettitte’s statement. But my verbiage was ill-chosen.

    SF December 17, 2007, 11:58 am
  • right on with the merits of a defamation of character case atheose…i’m no attorney, but slander is usually in verbal form, while libel is in a more durable form, like writing, a broadcast, etc….
    another key component about the nature of the material is whether it’s presented as fact or opinion…additionally, in libel cases, damages are presumed, while in slander cases that’s not always so, and the injured party may be required to prove damages…
    as for pettitte, i’d have to agree with sf that his statements fall far short of “heroic”…frankly though, i expected his words to be greeted with the same negativity that giambi’s were when a couple of years ago he issued a similiar vague, half-baked statement about his role in this whole mess…i certainly understand the cynical treatment of guys who have owned up to the truth only after it was shoved in their faces, but the fact remains, both could have either remained silent, as so many others have, or they could have continued to lie about it, as so many others apparently have…he admitted to using a substance in ’02 that was not banned by the sport until ’05…i don’t see anywhere else in his statements where he admitted to anything else, particulary the breaking of any laws…if we believe he’s as sensitive as he’s portrayed, he was obviously interested in doing some damage-control with his reputation, and putting some much needed perspective on the broad brush approach being used by mitchell and selig…i see his comments more as an explanation rather than an apology, so i understand why it doesn’t hold up to the “standards” of a typical apology…a real hero in this would be one that has not been named in the report [or elsewhere for that matter], who stands up and comes clean about what he did wrong, for the good of the game…yah, sure…the problem with bpud issuing threats at this point, is that it would be far less effective than an amnesty program, for any participant who hasn’t actually broken a law that is…if laws have been broken and that can be proved, then that’s another thing altogether…let the legal system and bpud have at it…

    dc December 17, 2007, 12:03 pm
  • “…a real hero in this would be one that has not been named in the report [or elsewhere for that matter], who stands up and comes clean about what he did wrong, for the good of the game…”
    Good point…

    The Sheriff (Andrews) December 17, 2007, 12:08 pm
  • > to be the first player on that list to publically admit using a PED took courage.
    Out of the guys who were “outed” in the report (meaning not counting the ones who confessed to the feds), Pettitte was third to make a public admission. F. P. Santangelo and Gary Bennett admitted HGH usage on Friday.

    “I haven’t done anything. I guess reports are saying I’ve used performance-enhancing drugs. I’ve never used any drugs to enhance my performance in baseball before. I don’t know what else to say except to say it’s embarrassing my name would be out there.” – October 1, 2006

    Admitting it then would have been courageous, honorable, and thoroughly laudable, though of course he would have been crushed by many as a cheater anyway. Now it’s damage control. Don’t get me wrong, Andrews, I don’t want to crucify Andy and his admission at its base level is the right thing to do.
    It’s also about damned time.

    attackgerbil December 17, 2007, 12:15 pm
  • Can we talk about the Yankees meeting with the Twins to talk about Santana now?

    soxgirl December 17, 2007, 12:35 pm
  • Sure, Soxgirl, if they;ve actually met. I don’t find anything reported beyond the “phone calls” reprot out of the Star-Ledger.
    The Star-Tribune, meanwhile, quoted the Twins’ GM Sunday as saying the Yankees told him they lost interest in trading for Santana after Pettitte returned, and that the Yanks no longer want to include Hughes in a deal…

    Paul SF December 17, 2007, 12:51 pm
  • Gerb:
    Part of the ruse currently being foisted on the public is that HGH isn’t a “performance enhancing drug”. The idea is that HGH enabled a faster return to the field, but didn’t “enhance” performance in the same way that steroids make homers go further, or give pitchers more leg drive to throw harder. I think this is a bullshit argument, and pure misdirection. It’s possible that Pettitte’s statement was very carefully considered: he didn’t cop to using a “performance enhancing drug” because, in his mind, he didn’t use one. HGH, to him, wasn’t a PED, it was a medical drug.
    As if guys on the DL who didn’t take HGH wouldn’t consider a faster return by another player a competitive advantage, or a performance enhancement. This is a kind of classism on the user’s part, an attempt to stigmatize the cheating of those who used steroids while elevating the intentions of those who used HGH.

    SF December 17, 2007, 1:03 pm
  • The one thing, SF, that gives me some more respect for Pettitte is that fact that the strength trainer noted that he had tried to convince him to take HGH on several earlier occassions, but Andy refused each time. Only when he was injured did he take it.
    It’s still wrong 100% in my mind, but I respect him for that.

    Atheose December 17, 2007, 1:16 pm
  • Indeed, SF. Lupica takes Boras to task in the Daily News for doing exactly what you describe.

    attackgerbil December 17, 2007, 1:24 pm
  • Wow, I actually think Lupica wrote something of value!
    I didn’t see the Boras claims from yesterday’s Times. Yeesh.

    SF December 17, 2007, 1:34 pm
  • > I actually think Lupica wrote something of value!
    That’s rather funny.. I was going to write something along those lines as well.

    attackgerbil December 17, 2007, 1:43 pm
  • “…Wow, I actually think Lupica wrote something of value!…”
    amen, sf…now i’ve seen it all…never thought i could get through an entire loopyka piece without barfing, but today’s the day…i know this discussion isn’t about bore-us, so pardon the deviation, but arod didn’t sound too flattering to his [former?] agent in the 60 min. interview…he claims to have taken matters into his own hands when he didn’t like where he was being led…funny

    dc December 17, 2007, 2:13 pm
  • One (maybe?) final thing. This is MLB’s illegal drug policy from the late 90s. The idea that HGH wasn’t banned under almost every possible circumstance is farcical, and I wish this line, “HGH wasn’t against the written rules of MLB” would stop being repeated by the media. It’s becoming accepted that HGH wasn’t banned, when there is clearly broad blanket coverage of unprescribed use of this drug.
    Major League Baseball’s Drug Policy
    The possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players and personnel is strictly prohibited. Major League players or personnel involved in the possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance are subject to discipline by the Commissioner and risk permanent expulsion from the game. In addition to any discipline this office may impose, a Club also may take action under applicable provisions of and special covenants to the Uniform Player’s Contract.
    This prohibition applies to all illegal drugs and controlled substances, including steroids or prescription drugs for which the individual in possession of the drug does not have a prescription. Clubs will dispense prescription drugs only under the direction of the team physician and appropriate records of such distribution and use will be maintained. All drugs on Club premises will be kept under lock and key. For their own protection, players who are taking a prescription drug under the direction of any physician other than the team physician must notify the team physician of this fact and of the drug(s) prescribed.

    SF December 17, 2007, 6:41 pm

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