Next Stop: Cage Match

Maybe it’s just coincidental, but I sense a dig by Terry Francona here:

J.D. Drew’s slump deepened last night, as he failed to get the ball out of the infield in his first four at-bats, once grounding into a double play, his third this season after he hit into just four last season.

He came into the game batting just .172 in his last 22 games and was without a home run in that span, but Francona said it’s a matter of time before he gets hot.

"If we don’t panic and hit him eighth, we’ll be the recipient of that," Francona said.

Not that that’s ever been done before…

27 comments… add one
  • Paul = Troll
    Once again…

    Anonymous May 23, 2007, 8:15 am
  • That’s really unfair, Andrews. Paul just pulled a quote from Francona that does seem to be a bit of a jab, he didn’t do much more than point it out for what it was. I think you are off-base with your charge.
    (If Paul really wanted to be a troll, he would have posted something nasty about A-Rod’s cheapish elbow to Pedroia’s n*ts during his slide in the seventh, but that’s for another time)

    SF May 23, 2007, 8:45 am
  • Cheapish elbow? It was pretty damn close to assault.
    Frankly, I can’t really blame Arod, I mean it was illegal and a cheap shot, but at least he’s doing something to try and get his team going.

    LocklandSF May 23, 2007, 9:31 am
  • If Paul really wanted to be a troll, he would have posted something nasty about A-Rod’s cheapish elbow to Pedroia’s n*ts during his slide in the seventh, but that’s for another time)
    or, I don’t know, every single time he goes into second. The guy is dirty, and that’s no secret. He goes in too wide to touch the bag, or heels in the air, or flailing arms, or like last night, an extra jump. One of these days, he’s going to catch the ball to first right in the teeth by a second baseman that’s tired of getting too much from him.

    Regular_Brad May 23, 2007, 9:33 am
  • you guys are too much – i give up.
    sf, it’s not just this silly post that prompted the troll tag – it’s paul’s history. there’s a difference between quotes that make for worthwhile discussion, and ones that just start fires, don’t you agree? I appreciate paul’s hard work and have told him as much, but enough is enough with this pettiness…

    Anonymous May 23, 2007, 9:49 am
  • ” he didn’t do much more than point it out for what it was”
    save this shot:
    “Not that that’s ever been done before…”

    Anonymous May 23, 2007, 9:52 am
  • Andrews:
    This site has always been a mix of the erudite, the humorous, and the occasional jab. With that being said, all Paul did was highlight a cutesy comment by Francona that seemed to dig at Joe Torre and the A-Rod situation last year. I honestly don’t see how his is a “troll” comment, or “starting a fire”, it was just kind of funny. The thing is, FRANCONA said it, not Paul. I am trying my hardest to avoid a “lighten up” comment, but in this case it seems appropriate. I know that the Yankees are in a really bad stretch (believe me, I know how this feels — just remember the Sox and the Ralph Houk era — this is nothing, frankly!), but that’s no justification for blanketing Paul with some kind of tag of “troll”. We’ve had plenty of traffic in the past few weeks that truly illustrate what a real troll is like and it hasn’t been at all pleasant. This post hardly qualifies as doing what you say. I think it’s important to be careful with how we characterize people.

    SF May 23, 2007, 10:01 am
  • Has everyone forgotten Monday night when Pedroia purposefully slid 3 feet to the right of the bag second to take out Jeter when trying to break up a DP?

    attackgerbil May 23, 2007, 10:31 am
  • /bag at second/

    attackgerbil May 23, 2007, 10:32 am
  • AG, or when Arod did the exact same thing in the 6th last night, before his 8th inning elbow to the nuts?
    Breaking up a double play is one thing, what Arod did in the 8th was totally different and you know it.

    LocklandSF May 23, 2007, 10:41 am
  • In fairness Gerbil, there was a little pile of dirt in front of the bag which Pedroia couldn’t see over. He just guessed Jeter was on the bag when he slid.

    Tyrel SF May 23, 2007, 10:41 am
  • ” I think it’s important to be careful with how we characterize people.”
    As I said before, my characterization is not merely about this one post. It’s a pattern- one that I have resisted the urge to comment on until now.
    Some posters can get away with humorous jabs; correctly worded, I think most would agree they’re all in good fun. However,given his track record, which sometimes crosses over into pettiness, Paul is not one of them.
    Sometimes enough is enough.

    Andrews May 23, 2007, 10:42 am
  • I didn’t see the play in the eighth, so it’s not fair for me to comment, but Pedroia’s play the night before was _definitely_ a cheap shot, regardless of ARod’s play. To say try and claim otherwise is a pile of crap.

    attackgerbil May 23, 2007, 10:46 am
  • what was said that isn’t true?

    Regular_Brad May 23, 2007, 10:47 am
  • Tyrel, I just got your joke. That’s really funny.

    attackgerbil May 23, 2007, 10:53 am
  • ag – can you find it and youtube it? I’m interested.

    Lar May 23, 2007, 10:57 am
  • This is a surprising quote coming from Francona, and to me there’s a good chance that he had no intention of taking a shot at Torre. There’s a lot of respect between the two managers. It just seems out of character for Francona, who avoids controversy like it’s the plague, to trash talk a rival. I think it’s coincidental. If not, I’m disappointed.

    Nick-YF May 23, 2007, 10:59 am
  • Slide linked to in the thread above.
    Andrews, I would seriously like to know what qualifies as “pettiness” in this post by Paul? You’ve lost me, utterly.

    SF May 23, 2007, 11:00 am
  • Lar, I’m looking for it. Can’t find it. I wish I kept the Tivo of that play.

    attackgerbil May 23, 2007, 11:18 am
  • Andrews = being absolutely m.f. ridiculous.
    I’m as interested as Lar in the DP slide on Jeter, if someone has video.
    And Nick is right. The last time Francona tried to get himself involved in controversy was back…never. Even with the Manny situation in the spring he diffused it with a joke about Tavarez being his PR agent. I think it was almost unfortunate coincidence that he chose the 8 slot rather than the 7 or 9 or something.

    QuoSF May 23, 2007, 11:20 am
  • Lar, the only thing I can find is this picture. Can’t see the base? That’s because it’s off-frame many feet to the left.

    attackgerbil May 23, 2007, 11:24 am
  • Well then, AG, I tried to sum it up in the other thread. DP in Game 1 = illegal slide. A-Rod in Game 2, inning 6 = illegal slide. A-Rod in Game 2, inning 8 = legal slide, plus jump up a bit and throw elbow.
    Obviously, there are no winners in this. But c’mon. I’ll acknowledge his play wasn’t clean, but that’s TWO from A-Rod last night. If the 6th inning slide didn’t even up the score (or did) then what are we left with?
    And yeah, that picture is pretty clear.

    QuoSF May 23, 2007, 11:32 am
  • Yes, and as I keep pointing out, Arod did the same thing in 6th.
    So Arod lives by the two eyes for an eye rule?
    What ever. I just wish Yankee fans would get over their misplaced anger and see this for what it was.

    LocklandSF May 23, 2007, 11:33 am
  • I agree that ARod’s contact was unnecessary and out of line. I don’t know who is angry about or misplacing their anger. I’m not angry.

    attackgerbil May 23, 2007, 11:38 am
  • This is rediculus. There is no eye for an eye with slides. If any Red Sox, Yankee, or any other player is in a situation to break up a DP tonight, tomorrow, or any other game this year, they are gonna do whatever they can to do so. Argueing otherwise is fruitless.

    sam YF May 23, 2007, 11:41 am
  • “Andrews, I would seriously like to know what qualifies as “pettiness” in this post by Paul? You’ve lost me, utterly.”
    This is your usual way of trying to get into a long circular argument, SF. I refuse to take the bait. I’ve said all I need to say, and I’m confident you can figure it out…

    Andrews May 23, 2007, 11:54 am
  • Uh, ok, Andrews.
    I am not the one who called Paul a troll and then petty, but refuse to explain myself. I honestly don’t understand what your point is, and I guess we can leave it at that.

    SF May 23, 2007, 12:02 pm

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