Nomah: Off the Table

Today is a good day for Andy Phillips. Nomar Garciaparra, the top 1b on the market, has resigned with the Dodgers. Looks like the Yanks were never that interested—if they even had a chance—in the fragile 33-year-old ex-Nemesis. Might’ve been interesting watching him and Abreu bat in the same lineup. A study in opposites.

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  • I like to think Nomah wouldn’t have signed with the Yankees anyway based on pure principle. He did acquit himself to 1B rather well defensively, and while not being a lot better than average at the position, was a heck of a lot bigger threat than most of the guys in that Dodgers lineup this season. Here’s to hoping he continues and maybe ends his career out there on some more high notes, reminding us all of what could’ve been had the injuries not piled up.

    Quo November 20, 2006, 10:15 am
  • It still amazes me that this guy was once a sure thing first ballot HOF candidate, but now, not so much.
    I will always remember Nomar’s brilliance as a member of the Red Sox and wish him all the best.

    LocklandSF November 20, 2006, 10:35 am
  • It’s truly amazing how much of a hitter Nomar is. Even when he misses huge numbers of games, he coems right back and puts up a .350 spot. Just amazing.

    Paul SF November 20, 2006, 11:42 am
  • Quo – I wouldn’t have liked Nomar on the Yanks only because I’ve been a Moneyball/BB/Pitch Count kind of guy, but it’s hard to argue with the numbers.. it’s actually quite amazing that of the three Superstar SS, ARod, Jeter and Nomar, only one is still a shortstop. Would’ve also been interesting if they all played for the same team, as one of those ironic things you could never see coming a few years ago..

    Lar November 20, 2006, 12:47 pm
  • And, to be unfair, and a typical SF(Hi, dc), it’s not clear Jeter is really a SS anymore either.

    Quo November 20, 2006, 1:13 pm
  • =P Totally expected that I was setting someone up for that..

    Lar November 20, 2006, 1:33 pm
  • Much as I fondly remember Garciaparra’s glory days, these are still colored by the misery of his last half-year with the Sox, when he hated the team and the fans largely made it reciprocal.
    He was no longer Nomahhh; he had become Garciapopup.

    Hudson November 20, 2006, 1:54 pm
  • as one of those ironic things you could never see coming a few years ago..
    Actually, when all three were on the rise, and “golden” as they say, I figured all of them to end up on the Yankees when FA hit them. I can rememeber having this conversation with my father in which he said that with Nomar at second, A-Rod at SS, and Jeter at third, the Yankees would be unstoppable. At the time, it was when the Yankees were handing out ten and twelve million dollar contracts to everything with legs, so we just figured it was a matter of time before they all came together under the pinstriped cloak.

    Brad November 20, 2006, 6:21 pm
  • Fine, maybe not “never”, but “never” reasonably, kind of like how I would *love* to have Pujols and Howard at first, but ya, it might happen, but you don’t expect it.. (without them going into a bit of decline anyhow..)
    But tt’s true though, I remember really liking Clemens (and RJ) as a kid, and even though he didn’t come to NY immediately, it was really like an early Christmas present as a Yankee fan.. not to say all of them work out (RJ) but hey, at least they give us a chance..

    Lar November 20, 2006, 6:37 pm
  • It gets to why the Yankees have that image/stigma, and the Red Sox do not — and how the DM bid doesn’t really change that. How many major HOF-bound players have played for the Yankees in the past six years, and how many of them are homegrown?

    Paul SF November 20, 2006, 6:56 pm
  • But most of them won’t be in the HoF as a Yank anyhow (even if Clemens keeps insisting). Here’s my attempt to list a few, though feel free to add:
    Homegrown – Jeter, Mo, Posada (probably very borderline) and possibly Soriano (yes yes)
    Not from home – Clemens, RJ, ARod, Moose (probably very borderline)..
    I might be a bit conservative on HoFers, though having 8 HoFers in a short span isn’t something that can be done for most teams..
    And you would think only Jeter, Mo, (Posada if he makes it) and ARod, if ARod does stay as a Yank and actually hits them big hits and keeps on putting up big numbers, but that’s a if, will wear the Yankee cap.
    Though of course, how many RS HoFers are “home-grown”? You can argue for Ortiz (who was picked up for a song) and if he makes it, he’ll definitely go in as a RS, so it’ll depend on your definition of “home-grown”, at least in this very specific case..
    Manny was damn good before he came to the RS, and is damn good after, but he’s definitely not “homegrown”, though he might go in as a RS anyhow..
    The problem it seems, is that the Yanks aren’t signing enough HOF-bound players that well, did most of their deeds in NY.. and instead became the place people come to grow old and collect a paycheck.. hopefully it’ll change..

    Lar November 20, 2006, 7:14 pm
  • Does Nomar still retain Arn Tellem as his agent? At the end of his Dodger contract, Nomar will have made around $32 million in the four full seasons since being traded from the Sox. Since Arn turned down a four year $60 million deal, does that mean Nomar gets a refund?

    Vic SF November 20, 2006, 7:15 pm
  • Cherry picking one comment, there’s no way in hell Jorge Posada makes the Hall of Fame. Unless, of course, he heads to Hertz, rents a car, and drives there himself. And he could stop at Big Papi’s house and pick him up on the way, because unless he puts up 2006 numbers for another 8 straight years he ain’t making it either.

    SF November 20, 2006, 7:19 pm
  • Ya, it’ll take some luck, or Frisk-like durability or something. But hey, numbers don’t matter as much to catchers, though it’s obvious that he’s no IRod. I think if he puts up something like 250 HR’s, he might get in on the 10th try or so..

    Lar November 20, 2006, 7:40 pm
  • Yeah, I don’t mean HOF types acquired through free agency or trades just before their prime or during their prime and were productive (a la Mo or Pedro), I mean wildly spending/overspending on guys who were going to the HOF before they ever set foot in NY — Moose (maybe), Johnson, Clemens, Rodriguez, Sheffield.
    Hey, if you got the cash and think it’s a good move, more power to ya. I’m not going to jump on the Evil Empire bandwagon tonight (still like the name though). I just thought this convo was a good illustration as to why the Yanks have that stigma, and the Sox still have a ways to go to get there.

    Paul SF November 20, 2006, 7:46 pm
  • I don’t disagree with you on the stigma, as it obviously depends on which side of the fence you sit on.. (as a Yanks fan, I wouldn’t mind at all.. if only they kept winning!)
    BTW, more on Posada, since I’m too lazy to do research myself:
    http://www.battersbox.ca/article.php?story=20041030090728999
    So it’s two years later, and and I don’t forecast any 37 HR years, or even MVP-style seasons. But I think if he puts up 15 for 5 more years, with a couple of 20’s in there, I’ll be convinced he’ll go in – obviously not immediately, but eventually..

    Lar November 20, 2006, 7:52 pm

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